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user_
12-05-2018, 05:28 PM
Most of the Europeans have significant Bedouin admixture, while Caucasians almost lack it. How it even possible? Even Ukrainians have it more than Georgians do.
https://i.ibb.co/60xPdDF/admixture-caucasus.jpg (https://ibb.co/pj8zm4d)

Also Russians score significantly more Indian ancestry, compared to Georgians. Are Sindhi closer to Russians genetically than to Georgians?

user_
12-05-2018, 05:46 PM
Another observation.
The only differences between Armenians and Georgians is that Armenians have significant Bedouin admixture, Georgians don't.
The difference between North Caucasians and Georgians is that NC have significant Baltic component, also significant Indian and Central Asian component that Georgians don't have.
Now I begin to understand why Georgians can be lighter than many groups in Europe or North from us.

user_
12-05-2018, 06:36 PM
Anyone have a genetic plotting map of whole Eurasia, not just the west Eurasia that people usually post here?
I want to see if Russians are closer to Indians, than Georgians are.
Or are French closer to Bedouins than Georgians are.

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 05:12 AM
Most of the Europeans have significant Bedouin admixture, while Caucasians almost lack it. How it even possible? Even Ukrainians have it more than Georgians do.
https://i.ibb.co/60xPdDF/admixture-caucasus.jpg (https://ibb.co/pj8zm4d)

Also Russians score significantly more Indian ancestry, compared to Georgians. Are Sindhi closer to Russians genetically than to Georgians?

Those charts are garbage. Look at the new Global25 admixtures.

user_
12-06-2018, 10:41 AM
Those charts are garbage. Look at the new Global25 admixtures.

Can you post it here?

nightrider+
12-06-2018, 10:55 AM
Those charts are garbage. Look at the new Global25 admixtures.It's not garbage, it's math. Early farmers were like a combination of WHG and Basal Eurasian. Bedouins are the most Basal Eurasian population iirc, except they also have more recent African admixture. It's logical for countries with strong neolithic ancestry to score something bedouin-like.

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 06:51 PM
It's not garbage, it's math. Early farmers were like a combination of WHG and Basal Eurasian. Bedouins are the most Basal Eurasian population iirc, except they also have more recent African admixture. It's logical for countries with strong neolithic ancestry to score something bedouin-like.

None of that exists on the new global25. Unless that Bedouin admix you're talking about is interchangeable with Levant neolithic. Even then, it's nowhere near as high as OP was implying.

nightrider+
12-06-2018, 07:14 PM
None of that exists on the new global25. Unless that Bedouin admix you're talking about is interchangeable with Levant neolithic. Even then, it's nowhere near as high as OP was implying.

Those are genetic facts. Basal Eurasian is what pulls European and Anatolian neolithic farmers away from WHG. Bedouins are very Basal Eurasian-rich. Global 25 is just a calculator, you can name and define the components however you want to.

Leto
12-06-2018, 07:23 PM
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Do you plan on buying a DNA test? It's not expensive and we'll see a true Eastern Armenian :)
You can order a Family Finder just for $59.

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 07:54 PM
Those are genetic facts. Basal Eurasian is what pulls European and Anatolian neolithic farmers away from WHG. Bedouins are very Basal Eurasian-rich. Global 25 is just a calculator, you can name and define the components however you want to.

Yes and it's probably the best calculator thus far. I think the Neolithoc Levant component on that calculator can be designated for Basal Eurasian as that seems to be the most logical.

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 07:55 PM
Do you plan on buying a DNA test? It's not expensive and we'll see a true Eastern Armenian :)
You can order a Family Finder just for $59.

I've been nonchalant about it tbh. When it happens you'll be the first one to know :)

nightrider+
12-06-2018, 08:01 PM
Yes and it's probably the best calculator thus far. I think the Neolithoc Levant component on that calculator can be designated for Basal Eurasian as that seems to be the most logical.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003663/

We report genome-wide ancient DNA from 44 ancient Near Easterners ranging in time between ~12,000-1,400 BCE, from Natufian hunter-gatherers to Bronze Age farmers. We show that the earliest populations of the Near East derived around half their ancestry from a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that had little if any Neanderthal admixture and that separated from other non-African lineages prior to their separation from each other.

Iirc, the least African Bedouins are the most similar to Natufians out of modern populations.

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 08:29 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5003663/


Iirc, the least African Bedouins are the most similar to Natufians out of modern populations.

What's a Natufian? Sounds like some "we wuz kangz" component.

nightrider+
12-06-2018, 08:32 PM
What's a Natufian? Sounds like some "we wuz kangz" component.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

They wuz actually!

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 08:39 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natufian_culture

They wuz actually!

That's what I've been saying! That's the neolithic Levant component on global25!!!!

nightrider+
12-06-2018, 08:44 PM
That's what I've been saying! That's the neolithic Levant component on global25!!!!

It's close but not exactly the same. Natufians are pre-Neolithic.

https://i.imgur.com/6zbI1nB.png

FinalFlash
12-06-2018, 08:55 PM
It's close but not exactly the same. Natufians are pre-Neolithic.

https://i.imgur.com/6zbI1nB.png

Components that are really close are prone to being masked on these calculators. The N Levant component more than likely masks the natufian on global25.