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Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 02:29 AM

One of only 3 results I have actually from the city of Palermo itself.

He is genetically very Levant shifted even for a Sicilian. He is almost halfway between Tuscans and Lebanese.

The Phoenicians still live among us :)

Eurogenes K15:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.16
2 West_Med 17.99
3 West_Asian 15.92
4 Atlantic 14.43
5 Red_Sea 7.19
6 Baltic 6.26
7 North_Sea 4.85
8 Eastern_Euro 1.27
9 Northeast_African 1.19
10 Sub-Saharan 0.74

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.81
2 East_Sicilian 5.41
3 Sephardic_Jewish 5.94
4 Central_Greek 6.23
5 Italian_Jewish 6.88
6 Algerian_Jewish 7.28
7 West_Sicilian 8.1
8 Ashkenazi 8.14
9 Italian_Abruzzo 8.41
10 Tunisian_Jewish 9.83
11 Greek 10.86
12 Cyprian 11.8
13 Greek_Thessaly 12.94
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.39
15 Tuscan 13.71
16 Lebanese_Muslim 15.56
17 Syrian 16.5
18 Turkish 17.56
19 Samaritan 18.59
20 Bulgarian 19.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.6% Cyprian + 26.4% Southwest_French @ 2.93
2 69.7% Cyprian + 30.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.07
3 69.7% South_Italian + 30.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.11
4 81.5% South_Italian + 18.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.17
5 91.4% South_Italian + 8.6% Bedouin @ 3.21
6 94.6% South_Italian + 5.4% Saudi @ 3.29
7 71.7% Cyprian + 28.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.31
8 92.8% South_Italian + 7.2% Egyptian @ 3.32
9 89.8% South_Italian + 10.2% Syrian @ 3.34
10 73.3% Cyprian + 26.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.34
11 71.3% Cyprian + 28.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.34
12 77.8% Cyprian + 22.2% French_Basque @ 3.35
13 91.4% South_Italian + 8.6% Jordanian @ 3.35
14 71.2% Cyprian + 28.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.37
15 86.4% South_Italian + 13.6% Cyprian @ 3.37
16 91.9% South_Italian + 8.1% Palestinian @ 3.37
17 73% Cyprian + 27% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.37
18 91.3% South_Italian + 8.7% Samaritan @ 3.39
19 89.8% South_Italian + 10.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.4
20 95.4% South_Italian + 4.6% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.42

Dodecad K12b:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.67
2 Atlantic_Med 24.82
3 Southwest_Asian 14.23
4 North_European 11.37
5 Gedrosia 6.93
6 Northwest_African 4.77
7 Sub_Saharan 0.53
8 South_Asian 0.44
9 East_African 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.04
2 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 5.11
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.66
4 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 5.87
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 5.87
6 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 9.05
7 Greek (Dodecad) 10.79
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.96
9 Cypriots (Behar) 14.16
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.09
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.86
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.07
13 Lebanese (Behar) 17.6
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 18.25
15 Turks (Behar) 19.22
16 Syrians (Behar) 20.57
17 Druze (HGDP) 20.79
18 Jordanians (Behar) 21.62
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 23.16
20 Palestinian (HGDP) 23.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 7.2% Makrani (HGDP) @ 1.87
2 57.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.94
3 93.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 1.95
4 93.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 6.8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.03
5 81.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.06
6 91.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.11
7 82.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 17.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.19
8 91.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.2
9 91.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.21
10 90.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.24
11 91% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.27
12 91.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8.5% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.28
13 92.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 7.8% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.29
14 76.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.3
15 92.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 7.4% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.31
16 91.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 8.4% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.37
17 82% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 18% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.41
18 91% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.45
19 81.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.7% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
20 88.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 11.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.58

PuntDNA-L K13:

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 38.22
2 West_Asia 25.55
3 SW_Asia 18.15
4 NE_Europe 13.6
5 East_Africa 1.41
6 West_Africa 1.07
7 Americas 0.89
8 South_Asia 0.68
9 NE_Asia 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Sicilian 3.17
2 Sephardic_Jew 3.26
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.21
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.79
5 Greek_Central 9.46
6 Cypriot 10.72
7 Turkish 13.88
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.42
9 Albanian 15.04
10 Syrian 15.65
11 Lebanese_Christian 15.69
12 Turkish_Kayseri 15.79
13 Lebanese_Druze 16.33
14 Italian_Tuscan 16.34
15 Kosovar 16.34
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.2
17 Jordanian 17.21
18 Turkish_Aydin 17.39
19 Palestinian 19.93
20 Bulgarian 21.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.7% Italian_Sicilian + 14.3% Jordanian @ 1.39
2 88.3% Italian_Sicilian + 11.7% Samaritan_Jew @ 1.39
3 87.5% Italian_Sicilian + 12.5% Palestinian @ 1.43
4 85.1% Italian_Sicilian + 14.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.59
5 85.2% Italian_Sicilian + 14.8% Syrian @ 1.64
6 91.7% Italian_Sicilian + 8.3% Yemeni @ 1.64
7 86.4% Italian_Sicilian + 13.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 1.68
8 90.4% Italian_Sicilian + 9.6% Egyptian_Copts @ 1.71
9 85.9% Italian_Sicilian + 14.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 1.72
10 93.5% Italian_Sicilian + 6.5% Saudi @ 1.78
11 94.5% Italian_Sicilian + 5.5% Bedouin @ 1.88
12 80.7% Italian_Sicilian + 19.3% Cypriot @ 1.92
13 90.7% Italian_Sicilian + 9.3% Egyptian @ 1.92
14 51.2% Italian_Sicilian + 48.8% Sephardic_Jew @ 2.05
15 69.6% Lebanese_Christian + 30.4% French_Basque @ 2.14
16 67.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 32.4% French_Basque @ 2.18
17 90.5% Italian_Sicilian + 9.5% Assyrian @ 2.22
18 68.7% Lebanese_Druze + 31.3% French_Basque @ 2.24
19 91.2% Italian_Sicilian + 8.8% Armenian @ 2.41
20 88.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.9% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.49

HarappaWorld:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.01
2 Mediterranean 24.8
3 SW-Asian 15.45
4 NE-Euro 13.68
5 Baloch 7.78
6 E-African 0.93
7 W-African 0.67
8 American 0.44
9 S-Indian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 2.91
2 sephardic-jew (behar) 5.15
3 ashkenazi (harappa) 6.34
4 morocco-jew (behar) 7.74
5 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 14.68
6 cypriot (behar) 14.75
7 tuscan (1000genomes) 15.05
8 tuscan (hgdp) 15.67
9 tuscan (hapmap) 16.31
10 lebanese (behar) 17.61
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 18.59
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 18.89
13 turk (behar) 20.16
14 lebanese-muslim (haber) 20.18
15 syrian (behar) 20.29
16 palestinian (harappa) 20.67
17 turkish (harappa) 20.76
18 jordanian (behar) 21.07
19 armenian (harappa) 21.41
20 lebanese-christian (haber) 22.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.8% lebanese-christian (haber) + 48.2% italian (hgdp) @ 1.77
2 68.1% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 31.9% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.83
3 82.9% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.1% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.94
4 54% tuscan (1000genomes) + 46% lebanese (behar) @ 2.06
5 83.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 16.2% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.08
6 87.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 12.2% cypriot (behar) @ 2.09
7 56% sephardic-jew (behar) + 44% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 2.13
8 93.4% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.6% iraq-jew (behar) @ 2.28
9 92.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 7.4% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.3
10 93.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.4% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.3
11 93.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.1% iranian-jew (behar) @ 2.33
12 93.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.2% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 2.33
13 93.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.1% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 2.34
14 92.9% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 7.1% lebanese-druze (haber) @ 2.34
15 93.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.4% georgia-jew (behar) @ 2.36
16 57.9% tuscan (hapmap) + 42.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.36
17 81.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 18.7% morocco-jew (behar) @ 2.36
18 91.3% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 8.7% lebanese (behar) @ 2.38
19 93.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 6.2% samaritian (behar) @ 2.41
20 92.6% ashkenazy-jew (behar) + 7.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.43

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 02:33 AM

I wish Sicilians were pumped with enough Steppe semen so that Sikeliot would stop trying to reach for Lebanese people.

Just kidding :D

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 02:38 AM

I wish Sicilians were pumped with enough Steppe semen so that Sikeliot would stop trying to reach for Lebanese people.

Just kidding :D

There is enough of it in neighboring Trapani for all of the island :D

In some of the models this person can be modeled as South Italian with a small amount of Arabian. So it is possible (though less likely in my view) that there is genuine Arabian ancestry from the Arab conquest.

There doesn't seem to be a shift toward North Africa in the result, though.

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 04:38 AM

I wish Sicilians were pumped with enough Steppe semen so that Sikeliot would stop trying to reach for Lebanese people.

Just kidding :D

we should organize a "nordic sperm for sicilian nightclubbers" drive

Leto

12-07-2018, 10:57 AM

we should organize a "nordic sperm for sicilian nightclubbers" drive
There's a lot of Ukrainian women in Italy, they should be relocated specifically to Sicily and Calabria to dilute the camel jockey ancestry there.

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 04:06 PM

There's a lot of Ukrainian women in Italy, they should be relocated specifically to Sicily and Calabria to dilute the camel jockey ancestry there.

Lmao hopefully not

FilhoV

12-07-2018, 04:50 PM

Could be just genetic similarities

This is mine and I’m not from anywhere near the levant and I get similar on the secondary

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.09
2 West_Med 20.06
3 North_Sea 15.34
4 East_Med 11.28
5 Baltic 6.22
6 West_Asian 5.41
7 Red_Sea 3.05
8 Sub-Saharan 2.33
9 Northeast_African 2.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Andalucia 5.29
2 Spanish_Valencia 5.74
3 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.74
4 Spanish_Aragon 6.75
5 Spanish_Murcia 6.92
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 7.03
7 Spanish_Extremadura 7.79
8 Spanish_Cataluna 8.48
9 Spanish_Cantabria 8.58
10 Southwest_French 9.12
11 Portuguese 9.58
12 North_Italian 11.17
13 Spanish_Galicia 11.69
14 French_Basque 14.38
15 Tuscan 15.62
16 French 15.65
17 South_Dutch 19.35
18 West_Sicilian 20.43
19 Italian_Abruzzo 21.4
20 Serbian 21.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% French_Basque + 24.3% Jordanian @ 4.43
2 63.8% French_Basque + 36.2% East_Sicilian @ 4.48
3 75% French_Basque + 25% Syrian @ 4.63
4 65.8% French_Basque + 34.2% Ashkenazi @ 4.76
5 60.6% French_Basque + 39.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.81
6 97.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.3% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 4.82
7 97.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.2% Luhya @ 4.82
8 97.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.2% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.82
9 59.4% French_Basque + 40.6% West_Sicilian @ 4.83
10 98% Spanish_Andalucia + 2% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.83
11 97.6% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.4% San @ 4.83
12 74.9% French_Basque + 25.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.84
13 98.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 1.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.84
14 98.1% Spanish_Andalucia + 1.9% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.84
15 98.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 1.8% Mandenka @ 4.86
16 98.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 1.7% Yoruban @ 4.87
17 65.1% French_Basque + 34.9% South_Italian @ 4.87
18 97.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.3% Sudanese @ 4.87
19 96.6% Spanish_Valencia + 3.4% Sudanese @ 4.9
20 97.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 2.3% Ethiopian_Anuak

Joliemome

12-07-2018, 08:16 PM

I wish Sicilians were pumped with enough Steppe semen so that Sikeliot would stop trying to reach for Lebanese people.
Just kidding :D

There's a lot of Ukrainian women in Italy, they should be relocated specifically to Sicily and Calabria to dilute the camel jockey ancestry there.

Eheh Sicilians and Calabrians don't need Ukranian women, only people who have never set foot in Italy would believe this nonsense of Southern Italians being Levantines :picard1: ;)

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 08:27 PM

Lmao hopefully not

aren't u half or a quarter ukrainian?

Leto

12-07-2018, 08:28 PM

Eheh Sicilians and Calabrians don't need Ukranian women, only people who have never set foot in Italy would believe this nonsense of Southern Italians being Levantines :picard1: ;)
Well, you can say thank you to the administrator of this site for having been focused on them relentlessly for many years.

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 08:28 PM

There's a lot of Ukrainian women in Italy, they should be relocated specifically to Sicily and Calabria to dilute the camel jockey ancestry there.

ukrainians have a ne shift, if u want to shift sicilians nw so they are like the rest of italians, use irish or scots or orcadians

mixing with ukies would make them like balkanites, not like other italians

Leto

12-07-2018, 08:30 PM

aren't u half or a quarter ukrainian?
He's quarter Polish but usually doesn't care about non-Mediterranean nations except for the British and blacks occasionally.

Joliemome

12-07-2018, 08:31 PM

Well, you can say thank you to the administrator of this site for having been focused on them relentlessly for many years.

A real obsession ... :eek:

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 08:31 PM

He's quarter Polish but usually doesn't care about non-Mediterranean nations except for the British and blacks occasionally.

steven tyler from aerosmith is 1/64 black

http://ethnicelebs.com/steven-tyler

Leto

12-07-2018, 08:31 PM

ukrainians have a ne shift, if u want to shift sicilians nw so they are like the rest of italians, use irish or scots or orcadians

mixing with ukies would make them like balkanites, not like other italians
Obviously that wasn't a serious statement to begin with. I don't wanna mix them with anyone, in fact I would like to preserve Italian culture as any other European culture.

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 08:34 PM

Obviously that wasn't a serious statement to begin with. I don't wanna mix them with anyone, in fact I would like to preserve Italian culture as any other European culture.

maybe mix them with normans to dilute the moor?

Leto

12-07-2018, 08:35 PM

maybe mix them with normans to dilute the moor?
Normans don't exist.

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 08:37 PM

Normans don't exist.

haven't u heard of normandy and d-day?

Leto

12-07-2018, 08:40 PM

steven tyler from aerosmith is 1/64 black

http://ethnicelebs.com/steven-tyler
So what? This woman is 1/8 Filipina but looks fully Italian
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?269774-South-Italian-Sicilian-and-part-Filipino-Ancestry-DNA-results

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 09:52 PM

Well, you can say thank you to the administrator of this site for having been focused on them relentlessly for many years.

Well the result speaks for itself, this person is shifted genetically toward the Levant. The question is why people are acting as if that's a bad thing.

StevenTylerAerosmith

12-07-2018, 09:59 PM

Well the result speaks for itself, this person is shifted genetically toward the Levant. The question is why people are acting as if that's a bad thing.

owd

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:26 PM

we should organize a "nordic sperm for sicilian nightclubbers" drive

Lmfaooooo LOVE IT!!!

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:29 PM

Eheh Sicilians and Calabrians don't need Ukranian women, only people who have never set foot in Italy would believe this nonsense of Southern Italians being Levantines :picard1: ;)

I know lol Sikeliot loves to overemphasize that outlying 10-15% (if that) of S. Italians

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 10:35 PM

I know lol Sikeliot loves to overemphasize that outlying 10-15% (if that) of S. Italians

I'm not discussing the phenotypes here, just the genes. Even those people who do not look Levantine, are genetically shifted toward there away from the main European genetic cluster. Do you deny this?

FilhoV

12-07-2018, 10:37 PM

OWD is an acronym for 'Off-White Dilemma'. OWD usually refers to a person who is "off-white" (that is, someone who is not of full white or is of non-Euro descent) who tries hard to make him/herself or their people "whiter" than they actually are.

A typical tactic of someone with OWD would be dismissing a large segment of his or her own people, even going so far as using them as scapegoats for any characteristic he may deem negative. The endemic kind of OWD is denying the facts when it comes to how people physically look like - Such as when some South European or West Asian person embellishes the extent of blonde hair or blue eyes in their country, and for what reason? Because of a need to make their ethnicity seem lighter than it really is.

OWD is exhibited by people based on an ideal 'racial hierarchy'. A person who suffers from OWD, knows that whatever racial hierarchical ideal they believe in, their racial group does not fit it. So what do they do? They try to tweak facts, figures, anything to put them closer to that racial ideal.

All in all, OWD-ism is a sign of self-hate and an inferiority complex,

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:41 PM

I'm not discussing the phenotypes here, just the genes. Even those people who do not look Levantine, are genetically shifted toward there away from the main European genetic cluster. Do you deny this?

I think some may genetically shift towards the Levantine. However, I don't believe that the majority do. I remember seeing some results where they shift towards the south Balkans or Spain.

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 10:42 PM

I think some may genetically shift towards the Levantine. However, I don't believe that the majority do. I remember seeing some results where they shift towards the south Balkans or Spain.

Depends on which part of the island. Palermo, Agrigento, Messina, Catania, Enna, and Caltanissetta usually shift toward either the Levant, North Africa, or both. SE Sicily has more Greek-like ancestry. Trapani is a mixed bag.

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:43 PM

Depends on which part of the island. Palermo, Agrigento, Messina, Catania, Enna, and Caltanissetta usually shift toward either the Levant, North Africa, or both. SE Sicily has more Greek-like ancestry. Trapani is a mixed bag.

Who forms the majority of the island?

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 10:44 PM

Who forms the majority of the island?

Palermo province is about 1/4 of the island and Catania 1/5.

Enna and Caltanissetta have the lowest populations.

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:46 PM

Palermo province is about 1/4 of the island and Catania 1/5.

Enna and Caltanissetta have the lowest populations.

So, at least half, maybe slightly more are not shifted toward the Levant? Makes sense.

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 10:50 PM

So, at least half, maybe slightly more are not shifted toward the Levant? Makes sense.

Let me add it up actually.

I excluded Enna from the Levant-shifted regions because of all of the Lombard descendants there (Gallo-Italic people) and I ended up with estimating that roughly 73% of Sicilians are from regions on the more MENA end of the spectrum and the remaining 27% are from regions where there is more North European, mainland Greek, or North Italian input than average.

FinalFlash

12-07-2018, 10:56 PM

Let me add it up actually.

I excluded Enna from the Levant-shifted regions because of all of the Lombard descendants there (Gallo-Italic people) and I ended up with estimating that roughly 73% of Sicilians are from regions on the more MENA end of the spectrum and the remaining 27% are from regions where there is more North European, mainland Greek, or North Italian input than average.

Western Lebanese confirmed :D

But how do you know that they in fact shift towards the Levant? As far as I'm aware you guys merely get Lebanese Muslim and that's mainly because of their elevated Steppe DNA relative to the region. Occassionally maybe a Syrian too. But usually you'd get Spanish, Bulgarian and Romanian afterwards.

I'm gonna find out who is closest to West and East Sicilians on the global25 soon.

Sikeliot

12-07-2018, 11:00 PM

Sikeliot

12-08-2018, 11:46 AM

Western Lebanese confirmed :D

But how do you know that they in fact shift towards the Levant? As far as I'm aware you guys merely get Lebanese Muslim and that's mainly because of their elevated Steppe DNA relative to the region. Occassionally maybe a Syrian too. But usually you'd get Spanish, Bulgarian and Romanian afterwards.

I'm gonna find out who is closest to West and East Sicilians on the global25 soon.

I think I determine "European" vs "MENA" shifted as to whether they are closer to Levant or Iberia. For instance people from Palermo are almost always closer to the Levant than to Iberia, while people from somewhere like Ragusa are not (and usually there is a NE European shift too).

Here is another person on my list who is from the same area as the man in the first post... when I say MENA shifted this is what I mean.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 32.68
2 West_Med 18.37
3 North_Sea 14.83
4 West_Asian 11.79
5 Red_Sea 7.37
6 Atlantic 7.21
7 Eastern_Euro 2.56
8 Baltic 2.51
9 Sub-Saharan 1.54
10 Amerindian 0.9
11 Oceanian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Jewish 8.26
2 Ashkenazi 9.53
3 East_Sicilian 9.64
4 South_Italian 9.71
5 Algerian_Jewish 10.11
6 Central_Greek 10.19
7 Libyan_Jewish 10.75
8 Sephardic_Jewish 10.91
9 West_Sicilian 12.13
10 Italian_Abruzzo 12.17
11 Greek_Thessaly 13.22
12 Tunisian_Jewish 13.28
13 Cyprian 14.55
14 Greek 15.52
15 Tuscan 15.76
16 Lebanese_Muslim 17.7
17 Syrian 17.85
18 Samaritan 18.92
19 Jordanian 19.86
20 Lebanese_Christian 20.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.3% Libyan_Jewish + 42.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.41
2 58.5% Lebanese_Christian + 41.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.71
3 79.8% Libyan_Jewish + 20.2% West_German @ 6.91
4 52.4% Central_Greek + 47.6% Libyan_Jewish @ 6.92
5 64.9% Samaritan + 35.1% West_German @ 7.16
6 63.7% Libyan_Jewish + 36.3% Tuscan @ 7.19
7 55.2% Libyan_Jewish + 44.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.19
8 84.2% Libyan_Jewish + 15.8% West_Norwegian @ 7.21
9 79.2% Libyan_Jewish + 20.8% French @ 7.22
10 83.8% Libyan_Jewish + 16.2% Norwegian @ 7.25
11 57.3% Lebanese_Druze + 42.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.27
12 73.9% Italian_Jewish + 26.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.28
13 58.4% Lebanese_Christian + 41.6% Portuguese @ 7.32
14 83% Libyan_Jewish + 17% Southwest_English @ 7.33
15 84% Libyan_Jewish + 16% Swedish @ 7.34
16 60.7% Samaritan + 39.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.35
17 81.2% Libyan_Jewish + 18.8% South_Dutch @ 7.35
18 91.9% Italian_Jewish + 8.1% West_Norwegian @ 7.38
19 72.2% Libyan_Jewish + 27.8% North_Italian @ 7.39
20 84.1% Libyan_Jewish + 15.9% Orcadian @ 7.39

And when I say one that is more 'European' this is what I mean (this one is from Ragusa);

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.71
2 West_Med 15.96
3 North_Sea 15.87
4 Atlantic 15.13
5 West_Asian 12.77
6 Red_Sea 6.24
7 Baltic 3.45
8 Eastern_Euro 1.94
9 South_Asian 1.09
10 Sub-Saharan 0.78
11 Siberian 0.49
12 Northeast_African 0.45
13 Southeast_Asian 0.08
14 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 5.2
2 East_Sicilian 6.61
3 West_Sicilian 6.79
4 Central_Greek 7.22
5 Ashkenazi 7.94
6 Tuscan 8.11
7 South_Italian 8.32
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.27
9 Italian_Jewish 10.5
10 Greek 11.13
11 Sephardic_Jewish 11.98
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.81
13 North_Italian 13.99
14 Bulgarian 16.1
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.1
16 Libyan_Jewish 16.44
17 Romanian 17.06
18 Serbian 19.26
19 Cyprian 19.29
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Spanish_Galicia + 42.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.86
2 58.2% Portuguese + 41.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.12
3 54.9% Cyprian + 45.1% French @ 3.16
4 53% French + 47% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.2
5 77.6% Italian_Jewish + 22.4% Orcadian @ 3.34
6 72.4% Italian_Jewish + 27.6% West_German @ 3.37
7 56.6% Spanish_Galicia + 43.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.38
8 69.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.5% West_German @ 3.52
9 62.2% Cyprian + 37.8% Southwest_English @ 3.59
10 77.1% Italian_Jewish + 22.9% North_Dutch @ 3.6
11 78.6% Italian_Jewish + 21.4% West_Norwegian @ 3.62
12 76% Italian_Jewish + 24% Southwest_English @ 3.64
13 50.9% Spanish_Galicia + 49.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.67
14 51.6% French + 48.4% Samaritan @ 3.68
15 57.7% Spanish_Galicia + 42.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.75
16 77.6% Italian_Jewish + 22.4% West_Scottish @ 3.75
17 76.4% Italian_Jewish + 23.6% Southeast_English @ 3.75
18 56% Spanish_Galicia + 44% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.76
19 77.4% Italian_Jewish + 22.6% Irish @ 3.78
20 78.1% Italian_Jewish + 21.9% Norwegian @ 3.78

Tauromachos

12-17-2018, 03:23 PM

Eheh Sicilians and Calabrians don't need Ukranian women, only people who have never set foot in Italy would believe this nonsense of Southern Italians being Levantines :picard1: ;)

Hahaha so funny

I wish Sicilians were pumped with enough Steppe semen so that Sikeliot would stop trying to reach for Lebanese people.

There is enough of it in neighboring Trapani for all of the island