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Kaspias
12-08-2018, 08:20 PM
Hi!

After the 2 days public test, i decided to share it on TA too. I haven't gotten any bad feedback. I hope you will receive accurate results. In anyway, i'm waiting for your comments.

Components:

-Western Balkans
-Eastern Balkans
-Balkanic-Aegean
-Turkic
-Caucasia

Target: Obviously Balkanites, Greeks, Albanians and Turks. Also Romanians too, but i observed it is not stable for Romanians. I'm going to update it soon. Calculator is especially good for mixed people who in search of his/her ethnic breakdown.

Europeans won't get accurate results because calculator lacks of direct European component. I'm planning to extend it's components to all over Eurasia but it will be later. My current scope is improving specific Balkan calculator. Therefore, your feedback is important for me.

Some results:


Bosnian

[1] "distance%=1.4175"

Username

Western_Balkans,86
Eastern_Balkans,13
Turkic,1


50% Thracian Greek - 50% Pontic Greek:

[1] "distance%=1.726"

dosas

Balkanic-Aegean,73
Caucasian,26
Turkic,1


Ukrainian:

Mykhailo

Western_Balkans,99.8
Turkic,0.2


Balkan Turk:

[1] "distance%=2.2418"

karakartal

Balkanic-Aegean,68.4
Turkic,14.6
Eastern_Balkans,12.8
Caucasian,4.2


Albanian:

[1] "distance%=2.4814"

Dibran

Balkanic-Aegean 86.2
Eastern Balkans 13.8


Croat:

[1] "distance%=1.2259"

ph2ter

Western Balkans, 100


Polish:

[1] "distance%=3.6826"

michal3141

Western Balkans 99.17
Turkic 0.83


Me:

[1] "distance%=2.4887"

Kaspias

Eastern_Balkans,70.2
Turkic,23.8
Balkanic-Aegean,6


Here you can reach the calculator: http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html

Search as kaspias at step-1. Paste your scaled coordinates to step-2, last box. Please share your results. Thank you all.

Ryuk
12-08-2018, 08:54 PM
Firstly,congratulations!

Second,what is Darth Bosniensis results?

Third,
Kaspias

Eastern_Balkans,70.2
Turkic,23.8
Balkanic-Aegean,6

Turan strong with you:thumb001:

Kaspias
12-08-2018, 09:00 PM
Firstly,congratulations!

Second,what is Darth Bosniensis results?

Third,

Turan strong with you:thumb001:

If you mean Sinan with "Darth Bosniensis", he didn't test yet. I need to test him in order to prove his Turkic roots :D

Thank you for your comment, turan is very strong with my dad. :rolleyes:

Ryuk
12-08-2018, 09:11 PM
If you mean Sinan with "Darth Bosniensis"

82900

Kelmendasi
12-08-2018, 09:19 PM
What are the reference populations for Balkan-Aegean, western Balkan, and eastern Balkan? I assume Balkan-Aegean includes Albanians and Greeks, western Balkan includes Serbo-Croats, and eastern Balkan maybe Macedonians and Bulgarians.

Kaspias
12-08-2018, 09:21 PM
What are the reference populations for Balkan-Aegean, western Balkan, and eastern Balkan? I assume Balkan-Aegean includes Albanians and Greeks, western Balkan includes Serbo-Croats, and eastern Balkan maybe Macedonians and Bulgarians.

Good predicts, as you said.

karakartal
12-08-2018, 09:23 PM
Congratulations and thank you for run. Very accurate results for me. Good job!

Kaspias
12-09-2018, 08:37 AM
Western Anatolia:

Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873

Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17

Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531

Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33


Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226

Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15


Central Anatolia:


Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281

Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67


South Anatolia:


Turkish_Adana:2.0433

Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17


North Anatolia:

Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954

Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33


Ottomans:


Turk_Medieval: 2.5941

Turkic 90.83
Western_Balkans 7.5
Eastern Balkans 1.67


Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641

Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5


Greeks:


Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606

Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67


Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124

Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33


Greek_Crete: 2.6698

Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5


Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314

Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33

Kelmendasi
12-09-2018, 12:52 PM
Western Anatolia:

Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873

Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17

Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531

Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33


Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226

Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15


Central Anatolia:


Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281

Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67


South Anatolia:


Turkish_Adana:2.0433

Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17


North Anatolia:

Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954

Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33


Ottomans:


Turk_Medieval: 2.5941

Turkic 90.83
Western_Balkans 7.5
Eastern Balkans 1.67


Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641

Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5


Greeks:


Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606

Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67


Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124

Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33


Greek_Crete: 2.6698

Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5


Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314

Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?

Ryuk
12-09-2018, 12:55 PM
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?

Probably minoan and hattian admix is reason of Central Anatolian and mainland/crete greek caucasian input.

Kaspias
12-09-2018, 01:03 PM
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?

Only Georgian_Imer. It is better to use sole population if it is enough to provide accurate results. I also wanted to see native Caucasian/Greek spreading among Greeks and Turks.

Lemgrant
12-10-2018, 09:59 AM
my result:

kaspias_balkans_modern_K5

Fit 4.1985

Western Balkans
97.5
Turkic
2.5

FilhoV
12-10-2018, 01:27 PM
Distance: 1.6948

North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83

Lemgrant
12-10-2018, 01:47 PM
edit

Kaspias
12-10-2018, 01:49 PM
Distance: 1.6948

North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83

This was LTG's calculator :rolleyes:

Here my results:

[1] "distance%=2.5857"

Kaspias_scaled

East_Mediterranean,47
North_Sea,43
Siberia,7
Baltic,3

Of course we should take it as a grain of salt. But it is very accurate in general. If you wonder your balkan result, here it is:

Distance: 5.0484

Balkanic-Aegean 75
Western Balkans 20.83
Eastern Balkans 4.17

It is just for fun obviously :D

Mingle
12-10-2018, 02:01 PM
Good predicts, as you said.

Why use those components? They are modern populations not ancient components. It seems confusing to me. Are Bosnians only 86% Serbo-Croat (West Balkanite)?

I'd have used components like Paleo-Balkan (Mycenaean), Slavic (North Ukrainian), Turkic, Latin, etc. instead.

Kaspias
12-10-2018, 02:23 PM
Who use those components? They are modern populations not ancient components. It seems confusing to me. Are Bosnians only 86% Serbo-Croat (West Balkanite)?

I'd have used components like Paleo-Balkan (Mycenaean), Slavic (North Ukrainian), Turkic, Latin, etc. instead.

There are already ancient calculator for Balkans. Because of this i stated it is a modern calculator. In my observation it works perfectly till now, except Romanians. I need to remove NW-NE Romanians and add only Wallachians.

Bosnians are not 86% West Balkanite, it is a result of a Bosnian. So he probably has some Eastern Balkanite roots. If you run Bosnian samples which is listed in G25 Spreadsheet, they will get 100% Western Balkanite.

Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 11:02 AM
Mine:
fit 1.543
Balkan-Aegean - 90
Eastern Balkans - 0.83
Western Balkans - 9.17

Unlike Dibran I scored more Western Balkans than Eastern Balkans.

Kaspias
12-13-2018, 12:00 PM
Mine:
fit 1.543
Balkan-Aegean - 90
Eastern Balkans - 0.83
Western Balkans - 9.17

Unlike Dibran I scored more Western Balkans than Eastern Balkans.

Congratulations. This actually means you are more slavic than dibran. But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)

Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:26 PM
Congratulations. This actually means you are more slavic than dibran. But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)
Yh I guess it does suggest more western South Slav input rather than east South Slav. What was the average Albanian score?

Dick
12-13-2018, 03:37 PM
But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)

How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry

Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:41 PM
How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry
I'm guessing because Serbo-Croatian speakers are more Slavic shifted than the Bulgaro-Macedonians.

Dick
12-13-2018, 03:42 PM
I'm guessing because Serbo-Croatian speakers are more Slavic shifted than the Bulgaro-Macedonians.

We are not Slavs. throw in some Belarussians or russian samples and see if you get them

Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:46 PM
We are not Slavs. throw in some Belarussians or russian samples and see if you get them
If I do Albanian + Belarusian this is what I get:
Fit - 1.9135
Albanian - 97.5
Belarusian - 2.5

Dick
12-13-2018, 03:48 PM
If I do Albanian + Belarusian this is what I get:
Fit - 1.9135
Albanian - 97.5
Belarusian - 2.5

that makes sense

Kamal900
12-13-2018, 03:54 PM
Distance: 1.6948

North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83

Yeah, man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGN2uWS2iKs&t=31s

Kaspias
12-13-2018, 04:06 PM
Yh I guess it does suggest more western South Slav input rather than east South Slav. What was the average Albanian score?

100% Balkanic-Aegean according to Academic samples.

Kaspias
12-13-2018, 04:08 PM
How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry

Not great because i didn't make them in order to determine Slavic ancestry. But let's take a look Eurogenes K13, Bulgaro-Macedonian average is 23. Serbo-Croat around 28. I mean Baltic scores.

Coastal Elite
06-02-2019, 07:02 AM
"sample": "Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled",
"fit": 2.6563,
"Western_Balkans_K5": 72.5,
"Eastern_Balkans_K5": 24.17,
"Turkic_K5": 2.5,
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5": 0.83,
"Caucasian_K5": 0,

"closestDistances":
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian136: 3.070632",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro305: 3.329281",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro5: 3.530456",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro4: 3.697935",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianF2: 3.898728",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro140: 3.902108",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A374: 3.979810",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro6: 3.999852",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia4: 4.019965",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A306: 4.109999",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G408: 4.140325",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_10: 4.187939",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G428: 4.343036",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro7: 4.345262",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G434: 4.363094",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_12: 4.405380",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro142: 4.416127",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_13: 4.434306",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A343: 4.478415",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A362: 4.490722",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianE2: 4.500418",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianD6: 4.516046",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia1: 4.523341",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia2: 4.524501",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro43: 4.551501",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian172: 4.571202",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro1: 4.582587",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_11: 4.600258",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G421: 4.633252",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia3: 4.755282",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro26: 4.780687",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G429: 4.797855",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian90: 4.811789",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro141: 4.840348",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro198: 4.854130",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia5: 4.879480",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_14: 4.958920",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian137: 5.005232",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A325: 5.039732",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian6: 5.057751",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Bulgaria1: 5.093937",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro302: 5.147363",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro133: 5.215035",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro53: 5.227414",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian7: 5.530970",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian3: 5.566774",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian2: 5.628283",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian8: 5.668893",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian147: 5.722108",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP8: 5.785190",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:S_Greek-1: 5.861770",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB213: 6.040952",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP11: 6.108792",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB230: 6.181770",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB202: 6.285453",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianH2: 6.442741",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17373: 6.453012",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP17: 6.577329",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17377: 6.585570",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB191: 6.609841",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP12: 6.770235",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP15: 6.860470",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP13: 6.930803",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP9: 6.982081",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP3: 7.015664",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP14: 7.036475",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP10: 7.120690",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP18: 7.146800",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP5: 7.175920",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB220: 7.223990",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:S_Albanian-1: 7.348777",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB212: 7.542450",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17372: 7.622975",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP4: 7.713525",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP16: 8.019640",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17375: 9.440784",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1176_tadjik_yag: 13.981344",
"Turkic_K5:TJ0197_tadjik_yag: 13.994997",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1095_tadjik_yag: 14.063474",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1110_tadjik_yag: 14.103291",
"Turkic_K5:tdj521_rushan: 14.996736",
"Turkic_K5:tdj54_rushan: 15.041150",
"Turkic_K5:tdj508_rushan: 15.049131",
"Turkic_K5:tdj868_rushan: 15.115137",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1101_tadjik_yag: 15.187360",
"Turkic_K5:S_Tajik-2: 15.284845",
"Turkic_K5:tdj261_rushan: 15.339008",
"Turkic_K5:tdj12_rushan: 15.718768",
"Turkic_K5:tdj305_shugnan: 15.718893",
"Turkic_K5:tdj126_shugnan: 15.847392",
"Turkic_K5:tdj979_shugnan: 16.026538",
"Turkic_K5:tdj409_shugnan: 16.150789",
"Turkic_K5:tdj277_rushan: 16.263565",
"Turkic_K5:S_Tajik-1: 16.275536",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO75_georgia_imer: 16.610985",
"Turkic_K5:tdj258_ishkashim: 16.669754",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO51_georgian_imer: 16.750620",
"Turkic_K5:tdj262_shugnan: 16.806761",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO71_georgian_imer: 16.897138",
"Turkic_K5:tdj275_shugnan: 17.064533"
]