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Kaspias
12-08-2018, 08:20 PM
Hi!
After the 2 days public test, i decided to share it on TA too. I haven't gotten any bad feedback. I hope you will receive accurate results. In anyway, i'm waiting for your comments.
Components:
-Western Balkans
-Eastern Balkans
-Balkanic-Aegean
-Turkic
-Caucasia
Target: Obviously Balkanites, Greeks, Albanians and Turks. Also Romanians too, but i observed it is not stable for Romanians. I'm going to update it soon. Calculator is especially good for mixed people who in search of his/her ethnic breakdown.
Europeans won't get accurate results because calculator lacks of direct European component. I'm planning to extend it's components to all over Eurasia but it will be later. My current scope is improving specific Balkan calculator. Therefore, your feedback is important for me.
Some results:
Bosnian
[1] "distance%=1.4175"
Username
Western_Balkans,86
Eastern_Balkans,13
Turkic,1
50% Thracian Greek - 50% Pontic Greek:
[1] "distance%=1.726"
dosas
Balkanic-Aegean,73
Caucasian,26
Turkic,1
Ukrainian:
Mykhailo
Western_Balkans,99.8
Turkic,0.2
Balkan Turk:
[1] "distance%=2.2418"
karakartal
Balkanic-Aegean,68.4
Turkic,14.6
Eastern_Balkans,12.8
Caucasian,4.2
Albanian:
[1] "distance%=2.4814"
Dibran
Balkanic-Aegean 86.2
Eastern Balkans 13.8
Croat:
[1] "distance%=1.2259"
ph2ter
Western Balkans, 100
Polish:
[1] "distance%=3.6826"
michal3141
Western Balkans 99.17
Turkic 0.83
Me:
[1] "distance%=2.4887"
Kaspias
Eastern_Balkans,70.2
Turkic,23.8
Balkanic-Aegean,6
Here you can reach the calculator: http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html
Search as kaspias at step-1. Paste your scaled coordinates to step-2, last box. Please share your results. Thank you all.
Firstly,congratulations!
Second,what is Darth Bosniensis results?
Third,
Kaspias
Eastern_Balkans,70.2
Turkic,23.8
Balkanic-Aegean,6
Turan strong with you:thumb001:
Kaspias
12-08-2018, 09:00 PM
Firstly,congratulations!
Second,what is Darth Bosniensis results?
Third,
Turan strong with you:thumb001:
If you mean Sinan with "Darth Bosniensis", he didn't test yet. I need to test him in order to prove his Turkic roots :D
Thank you for your comment, turan is very strong with my dad. :rolleyes:
If you mean Sinan with "Darth Bosniensis"
82900
Kelmendasi
12-08-2018, 09:19 PM
What are the reference populations for Balkan-Aegean, western Balkan, and eastern Balkan? I assume Balkan-Aegean includes Albanians and Greeks, western Balkan includes Serbo-Croats, and eastern Balkan maybe Macedonians and Bulgarians.
Kaspias
12-08-2018, 09:21 PM
What are the reference populations for Balkan-Aegean, western Balkan, and eastern Balkan? I assume Balkan-Aegean includes Albanians and Greeks, western Balkan includes Serbo-Croats, and eastern Balkan maybe Macedonians and Bulgarians.
Good predicts, as you said.
karakartal
12-08-2018, 09:23 PM
Congratulations and thank you for run. Very accurate results for me. Good job!
Kaspias
12-09-2018, 08:37 AM
Western Anatolia:
Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873
Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17
Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531
Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33
Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226
Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15
Central Anatolia:
Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281
Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67
South Anatolia:
Turkish_Adana:2.0433
Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17
North Anatolia:
Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954
Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33
Ottomans:
Turk_Medieval: 2.5941
Turkic 90.83
Western_Balkans 7.5
Eastern Balkans 1.67
Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641
Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5
Greeks:
Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606
Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67
Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124
Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33
Greek_Crete: 2.6698
Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5
Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314
Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33
Kelmendasi
12-09-2018, 12:52 PM
Western Anatolia:
Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873
Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17
Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531
Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33
Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226
Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15
Central Anatolia:
Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281
Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67
South Anatolia:
Turkish_Adana:2.0433
Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17
North Anatolia:
Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954
Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33
Ottomans:
Turk_Medieval: 2.5941
Turkic 90.83
Western_Balkans 7.5
Eastern Balkans 1.67
Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641
Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5
Greeks:
Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606
Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67
Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124
Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33
Greek_Crete: 2.6698
Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5
Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314
Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?
Probably minoan and hattian admix is reason of Central Anatolian and mainland/crete greek caucasian input.
Kaspias
12-09-2018, 01:03 PM
Interesting how the Greeks pick up Caucasian input, what populations are used for Caucasians?
Only Georgian_Imer. It is better to use sole population if it is enough to provide accurate results. I also wanted to see native Caucasian/Greek spreading among Greeks and Turks.
Lemgrant
12-10-2018, 09:59 AM
my result:
kaspias_balkans_modern_K5
Fit 4.1985
Western Balkans
97.5
Turkic
2.5
FilhoV
12-10-2018, 01:27 PM
Distance: 1.6948
North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83
Lemgrant
12-10-2018, 01:47 PM
edit
Kaspias
12-10-2018, 01:49 PM
Distance: 1.6948
North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83
This was LTG's calculator :rolleyes:
Here my results:
[1] "distance%=2.5857"
Kaspias_scaled
East_Mediterranean,47
North_Sea,43
Siberia,7
Baltic,3
Of course we should take it as a grain of salt. But it is very accurate in general. If you wonder your balkan result, here it is:
Distance: 5.0484
Balkanic-Aegean 75
Western Balkans 20.83
Eastern Balkans 4.17
It is just for fun obviously :D
Mingle
12-10-2018, 02:01 PM
Good predicts, as you said.
Why use those components? They are modern populations not ancient components. It seems confusing to me. Are Bosnians only 86% Serbo-Croat (West Balkanite)?
I'd have used components like Paleo-Balkan (Mycenaean), Slavic (North Ukrainian), Turkic, Latin, etc. instead.
Kaspias
12-10-2018, 02:23 PM
Who use those components? They are modern populations not ancient components. It seems confusing to me. Are Bosnians only 86% Serbo-Croat (West Balkanite)?
I'd have used components like Paleo-Balkan (Mycenaean), Slavic (North Ukrainian), Turkic, Latin, etc. instead.
There are already ancient calculator for Balkans. Because of this i stated it is a modern calculator. In my observation it works perfectly till now, except Romanians. I need to remove NW-NE Romanians and add only Wallachians.
Bosnians are not 86% West Balkanite, it is a result of a Bosnian. So he probably has some Eastern Balkanite roots. If you run Bosnian samples which is listed in G25 Spreadsheet, they will get 100% Western Balkanite.
Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 11:02 AM
Mine:
fit 1.543
Balkan-Aegean - 90
Eastern Balkans - 0.83
Western Balkans - 9.17
Unlike Dibran I scored more Western Balkans than Eastern Balkans.
Kaspias
12-13-2018, 12:00 PM
Mine:
fit 1.543
Balkan-Aegean - 90
Eastern Balkans - 0.83
Western Balkans - 9.17
Unlike Dibran I scored more Western Balkans than Eastern Balkans.
Congratulations. This actually means you are more slavic than dibran. But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)
Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:26 PM
Congratulations. This actually means you are more slavic than dibran. But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)
Yh I guess it does suggest more western South Slav input rather than east South Slav. What was the average Albanian score?
But both of you have a bit more Slavic than average Albanian. :)
How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry
Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:41 PM
How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry
I'm guessing because Serbo-Croatian speakers are more Slavic shifted than the Bulgaro-Macedonians.
I'm guessing because Serbo-Croatian speakers are more Slavic shifted than the Bulgaro-Macedonians.
We are not Slavs. throw in some Belarussians or russian samples and see if you get them
Kelmendasi
12-13-2018, 03:46 PM
We are not Slavs. throw in some Belarussians or russian samples and see if you get them
If I do Albanian + Belarusian this is what I get:
Fit - 1.9135
Albanian - 97.5
Belarusian - 2.5
If I do Albanian + Belarusian this is what I get:
Fit - 1.9135
Albanian - 97.5
Belarusian - 2.5
that makes sense
Kamal900
12-13-2018, 03:54 PM
Distance: 1.6948
North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83
Yeah, man!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGN2uWS2iKs&t=31s
Kaspias
12-13-2018, 04:06 PM
Yh I guess it does suggest more western South Slav input rather than east South Slav. What was the average Albanian score?
100% Balkanic-Aegean according to Academic samples.
Kaspias
12-13-2018, 04:08 PM
How so ? your components arent great to determine slavic ancestry
Not great because i didn't make them in order to determine Slavic ancestry. But let's take a look Eurogenes K13, Bulgaro-Macedonian average is 23. Serbo-Croat around 28. I mean Baltic scores.
Coastal Elite
06-02-2019, 07:02 AM
"sample": "Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled",
"fit": 2.6563,
"Western_Balkans_K5": 72.5,
"Eastern_Balkans_K5": 24.17,
"Turkic_K5": 2.5,
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5": 0.83,
"Caucasian_K5": 0,
"closestDistances":
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian136: 3.070632",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro305: 3.329281",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro5: 3.530456",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro4: 3.697935",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianF2: 3.898728",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro140: 3.902108",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A374: 3.979810",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro6: 3.999852",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia4: 4.019965",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A306: 4.109999",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G408: 4.140325",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_10: 4.187939",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G428: 4.343036",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro7: 4.345262",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G434: 4.363094",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_12: 4.405380",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro142: 4.416127",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_13: 4.434306",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A343: 4.478415",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A362: 4.490722",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianE2: 4.500418",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianD6: 4.516046",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia1: 4.523341",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia2: 4.524501",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro43: 4.551501",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian172: 4.571202",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Montenegro1: 4.582587",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_11: 4.600258",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G421: 4.633252",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia3: 4.755282",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro26: 4.780687",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:G429: 4.797855",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian90: 4.811789",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro141: 4.840348",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro198: 4.854130",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Serbian_Serbia5: 4.879480",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Bosnian_14: 4.958920",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian137: 5.005232",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:A325: 5.039732",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian6: 5.057751",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Bulgaria1: 5.093937",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro302: 5.147363",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro133: 5.215035",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Croatia_Cro53: 5.227414",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian7: 5.530970",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian3: 5.566774",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian2: 5.628283",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:Macedonian8: 5.668893",
"Western_Balkans_K5:Slovenian147: 5.722108",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP8: 5.785190",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:S_Greek-1: 5.861770",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB213: 6.040952",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP11: 6.108792",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB230: 6.181770",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB202: 6.285453",
"Eastern_Balkans_K5:BulgarianH2: 6.442741",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17373: 6.453012",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP17: 6.577329",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17377: 6.585570",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB191: 6.609841",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP12: 6.770235",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP15: 6.860470",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP13: 6.930803",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP9: 6.982081",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP3: 7.015664",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP14: 7.036475",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP10: 7.120690",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP18: 7.146800",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP5: 7.175920",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB220: 7.223990",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:S_Albanian-1: 7.348777",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:ALB212: 7.542450",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17372: 7.622975",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP4: 7.713525",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:GREEKGRALPOP16: 8.019640",
"Balkanic-Aegean_K5:NA17375: 9.440784",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1176_tadjik_yag: 13.981344",
"Turkic_K5:TJ0197_tadjik_yag: 13.994997",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1095_tadjik_yag: 14.063474",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1110_tadjik_yag: 14.103291",
"Turkic_K5:tdj521_rushan: 14.996736",
"Turkic_K5:tdj54_rushan: 15.041150",
"Turkic_K5:tdj508_rushan: 15.049131",
"Turkic_K5:tdj868_rushan: 15.115137",
"Turkic_K5:TJ1101_tadjik_yag: 15.187360",
"Turkic_K5:S_Tajik-2: 15.284845",
"Turkic_K5:tdj261_rushan: 15.339008",
"Turkic_K5:tdj12_rushan: 15.718768",
"Turkic_K5:tdj305_shugnan: 15.718893",
"Turkic_K5:tdj126_shugnan: 15.847392",
"Turkic_K5:tdj979_shugnan: 16.026538",
"Turkic_K5:tdj409_shugnan: 16.150789",
"Turkic_K5:tdj277_rushan: 16.263565",
"Turkic_K5:S_Tajik-1: 16.275536",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO75_georgia_imer: 16.610985",
"Turkic_K5:tdj258_ishkashim: 16.669754",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO51_georgian_imer: 16.750620",
"Turkic_K5:tdj262_shugnan: 16.806761",
"Caucasian_K5:GEO71_georgian_imer: 16.897138",
"Turkic_K5:tdj275_shugnan: 17.064533"
]
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