Tsakonians

[Dorian]

TAKE TWO MORE MINUTES IF YOU WANT AND LOOK HERE FOR SOME EXTRAS WITH CROWDS
https://imgur.com/a/dch0Ys9



https://i.postimg.cc/PqVRK5BM/TSAK0a.png (https://postimg.cc/mcMjgBZc)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZnKJGRwD/TSAK0b1.png (https://postimg.cc/njg87Hbv)

https://i.postimg.cc/CxFbvTTP/TSAK0b2.png (https://postimg.cc/D8MWZNzL)

https://i.postimg.cc/8zVZN08M/TSAK1a.png (https://postimg.cc/XpQfgxYY)

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZMJrC9q/TSAK1b.png (https://postimg.cc/gxj2v217)

https://i.postimg.cc/j2wnpZg1/TSAK2a.png (https://postimg.cc/5QJtvqM5)

https://i.postimg.cc/mrmj3ZPy/TSAK2b.png (https://postimg.cc/CZfbSgHR)

https://i.postimg.cc/1zbn1b2Z/TSAK3a.png (https://postimg.cc/yJXYFp7f)

https://i.postimg.cc/tJxzHh2B/TSAK3b.png (https://postimg.cc/GTbDFs0D)

https://i.postimg.cc/ryxh3k3M/TSAK4a.png (https://postimg.cc/yW6X3w7b)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYWczhQC/TSAK4b.png (https://postimg.cc/LhMfjG2p)

https://i.postimg.cc/tTCx5FKs/TSAK5a.png (https://postimg.cc/R3yhCJVm)

https://i.postimg.cc/rp94xfP6/TSAK5b.png (https://postimg.cc/Z9C0hxmj)

https://i.postimg.cc/VknnLf9k/TSAKe.png (https://postimg.cc/XrNps0DR)

https://i.postimg.cc/tT1cYnBx/TSAKoe.png (https://postimg.cc/bDhg5rcy)

[nafz]

Mostly Alpines and Dinarids. Few Meds among them.

[Tauromachos]

http://fyletika.blogspot.com/2013/11/blog-post_22.html

38% Mediterraneans
36% Alpines
20% Dinarics
5% Cromagnoids
1% Other

More Meds than Dinarics

More Meds than Alpines

More Dinarics and Alpines together than Meds

[nightrider+]

Possibly more north and west shifted than average. Helenass gonna be mad. Btw where did you find all these? Did you check backgrounds?


http://fyletika.blogspot.com/2013/11/blog-post_22.html

38% Mediterraneans
36% Alpines
20% Dinarics
5% Cromagnoids
1% Other

More Meds than Dinarics

More Meds than Alpines

More Dinarics and Alpines together than Meds

lol

[Dorian]

http://fyletika.blogspot.com/2013/11/blog-post_22.html

38% Mediterraneans
36% Alpines
20% Dinarics
5% Cromagnoids
1% Other

More Meds than Dinarics

More Meds than Alpines

More Dinarics and Alpines together than Meds

The material he used was sent by me,just like the one about Sfakiots,I was new and naive back then and didn't know about his agenda,all the material is here now,let's see what others think ,this blog's admin who evidently and consciously manipulates original texts is not to be trusted.

[Tauromachos]

Possibly more north and west shifted than average. Helenass gonna be mad. Btw where did you find all these? Did you check backgrounds?



lol

Genetically all Tsakonian results i have seen posted on Apricity were rather South shifted for Mainland Greece
not extremely but reasonably.

Even Sikeliot says they are among the Mainland Greeks closest to Sicilians or South Italians

[Dorian]

Possibly more north and west shifted than average. Helenass gonna be mad. Btw where did you find all these? Did you check backgrounds?

lol
It's been 5 years so I don't remember much, I had them all put in a video uploaded here but none paid attention so I extracted them again and rearranged them in pics,as far as I remember I used tsakonian fb pages material&their members profile while verifying they are from tsakonian village,some screenshots from documentaries and google images.I'm quite a perfectionist so the possibility of errors in my threads is small :P

[nightrider+]

Genetically all Tsakonian results i have seen posted on Apricity were rather South shifted for Mainland Greece
not extremely but reasonably.

Even Sikeliot says they are among the Mainland Greeks closest to Sicilians or South Italians

Many of them look like lighter Maniots or Cretans, others look Central European. I doubt anyone found many Tsakonian dna results but, in any case, genotype doesn't exactly equal phenotype.
Also gedmatch is bound to go nuts with isolated groups.

[Tauromachos]

Many of them look like lighter Maniots or Cretans,

Yeah maybe but being light or not doesn show where you plot
Calabrians also often look lighter than their genetics say

And i doubt Tsakonian plot closer to Austrians or North Balkanians than to South Italian

Tsakonian

1 Greek_Central 3.39
2 Italian_Abruzzo 3.7
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.27
4 Italian_Sicilian 5.47
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
6 Albanian 7.99
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.23
8 Kosovar 9.26
9 Italian_Tuscan 9.76
10 Bulgarian 13.99
11 Macedonian 14.4
12 Italian_Bergamo 15.73
13 Turkish 15.87
14 Romanian 16.28
15 Montenegrin 17.06
16 Cypriot 17.14
17 Turkish_Aydin 17.66
18 Turkish_Kayseri 18.48
19 Serbian 19.6
20 Balkar 20.86



others look Central European

others look Southern European
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Mv-oM2DesPA/maxresdefault.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224486-Classify-Tsakonian-Greek-man-from-Leonidion-quot-Old-Black-and-White-photo-quot



genotype doesn't exactly equal phenotype..

Yes it doesn't

[nightrider+]

Tsakonian

1 Greek_Central 3.39
2 Italian_Abruzzo 3.7
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.27
4 Italian_Sicilian 5.47
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
6 Albanian 7.99
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.23
8 Kosovar 9.26
9 Italian_Tuscan 9.76
10 Bulgarian 13.99
11 Macedonian 14.4
12 Italian_Bergamo 15.73
13 Turkish 15.87
14 Romanian 16.28
15 Montenegrin 17.06
16 Cypriot 17.14
17 Turkish_Aydin 17.66
18 Turkish_Kayseri 18.48
19 Serbian 19.6
20 Balkar 20.86

Pretty sure that's northwest of Mani, southwest of most mainland.

It was also obvious that they drift towards a different direction than Mani/islands.

https://i.imgur.com/t6jyObC.png

[McCloskey]

Alpine and Dinaric predominate. I think Meds in Southern Europe and Nordics in Northern Europe are highly overrated. Most Europeans in the South are not pure Mediterranid types.

In Italy and Greece they generally come mixed with predominant Alpinoid or Dinaric strains and in Iberia with Berid and similar CM types like Paleo-Atlantic.

[Tauromachos]

Pretty sure that's northwest of Mani, southwest of most mainland.

Yeah possibly




It was also obvious that they drift towards a different direction than Mani/islands.

Tsakonians and Maniots are genetically different

Both are genetically distinct somehow among the Peloponnesian Greeks but also different
from one another according to the Stamatoyannopoulos paper on Peloponnesian Greeks

They are both among the Peloponnesian regions with the least Slavic ancestry according
to the same paper

[Tauromachos]

Alpine and Dinaric predominate. I think Meds in Southern Europe and Nordics in Northern Europe are highly overrated. Most Europeans in the South are not pure Mediterranid types.

In Italy and Greece they generally come mixed with predominant Alpinoid or Dinaric strains and in Iberia with Berid and similar CM types like Paleo-Atlantic.

Greeks are predominantly Alpines and Meds

Dinarics are not uncommon but less so than Meds,Alpines or mixes of them.

And Dinarics in Greece are mostly in the form of Dinaro Alpines"Epirotic type" and Dinarized Meds"not uncommon in Crete or even Cyprus"
Pure Dinarics like those in Gheg Albanians are less common

[Dorian]

Greeks are predominantly Alpines and Meds

Dinarics are not uncommon but less so than Meds,Alpines or mixes of them.

And Dinarics in Greece are mostly in the form of Dinaro Alpines"Epirotic type" and Dinarized Meds"not uncommon in Crete or even Cyprus"
Pure Dinarics like those in Gheg Albanians are less common

Some Dorian Descendants?
Charles H. Hawes
The Annual of the British School at Athens
The Annual of the British School at Athens

https://i.postimg.cc/j2M1d4hb/1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/y8gGs9gM/2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/k49YQp1C/3.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/Jnq6P5vk/4.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/RZkDFFwN/5.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/SKctzhGV/6.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/j2S89JYk/7.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Tauromachos]

Some Dorian Descendants?
Charles H. Hawes
The Annual of the British School at Athens
The Annual of the British School at Athens


I think Dorians were not Dinarics but predominantly Med and Alpine like rest of classic Greeks

Not even in Tsakonians there are more Dinarics than Meds let alone Maniots
About Sfakiots i don't know but i think their differences and distinctivness to the rest of Cretans are overrated
and genetically Sphakiots cluster with South Italians"like all Cretans do" more than with Albanians or Montengrins


Southern Italy had alot of Dorian colonies

Syracuse,Kroton,Tarantas all were Dorian city states

[Dorian]

I think Dorians were not Dinarics but predominantly Med and Alpine like rest of classic Greeks

Not even in Tsakonians there are more Dinarics than Meds let alone Maniots
About Sfakiots i don't know but i think their differences and distinctivness to the rest of Cretans are overrated
and genetically Sphakiots cluster with South Italians"like all Cretans do" more than with Albanians or Montengrins


Southern Italy had alot of Dorian colonies

Syracuse,Kroton,Tarantas all were Dorian city states

1. https://i.postimg.cc/MHzyrkV6/lo.jpg (https://postimages.org/)
2.I just sent you a link that it says it does,what's your proof about Tsakonians being more meds if not fyletika's blog?I already told you what happened there.
3.I'll do a similar thread about sfakiots without the light ones this time and anyone can contribute,again fyletikas blogspot is not valid it has an agenda ,what samples are there for sfakiots?I think there's only a handful and probably you're right, but what's your point again?that similar to sicilians therefore meds?as it was said in the previous page genotype does not equal phenotype.

[Tauromachos]

2.I just sent you a link that it says it does,what's your proof about Tsakonians being more meds if not fyletika's blog?I already told you what happened there.


Whats your proof except quoting a particular Anthropologist who may have been biased as well?

And why should fyletika which has the reputation of being a Nazi site have a reason to mediteranize Greeks more than they are

Also the sources fyletika uses are independent from what the site is
I have posted you the link of Maniots being predominantly Mediterenean
And the source text of this is a German anthropoligist called Fritz Schiff who studied them
You can find his original text its online available for free and read what he says
Its in German but you can use a translator or something

Sfakiots,Cretans and other Greek Islanders have been tested in the Sarno study and fall into the South Italian Islands clusters
You can also ask mongrel who is a Sphakiot about Sphakiot results or haplogroups.
Besides other haplogroups Sphakiots have alot of J2a which is typical for Crete and not for Balkans.

Also mongrel himself plots with South Italians and Sicilians

Sikeliot posted some North shifted West Cretan results but they were from other parts of West Crete not from
Sfakia

Also why you so obsessed with Dinarics in particular?

Going by your picture i have seen you don't look Dinaric but more Dolicho just with light hairs and light eyes
But ok but pictures alone one never can tell
Without calipher everything is speculative :)

[Dorian]

Whats your proof except quoting a particular Anthropologist who may have been biased as well?

And why should fyletika which has the reputation of being a Nazi site have a reason to mediteranize Greeks more than they are

Also the sources fyletika uses are independent from what the site is
I have posted you the link of Maniots being predominantly Mediterenean
And the source text of this is a German anthropoligist called Fritz Schiff who studied them
You can find his original text its online available for free and read what he says
Its in German but you can use a translator or something

Sfakiots,Cretans and other Greek Islanders have been tested in the Sarno study and fall into the South Italian Islands clusters
You can also ask mongrel who is a Sphakiot about Sphakiot results or haplogroups.
Besides other haplogroups Sphakiots have alot of J2a which is typical for Crete and not for Balkans.

Also mongrel himself plots with South Italians and Sicilians

Sikeliot posted some North shifted West Cretan results but they were from other parts of West Crete not from
Sfakia

Also why you so obsessed with Dinarics in particular

Going by your picture i have seen you don't look Dinaric but more Dolicho just with light hairs and light eyes
But ok but pictures alone one never can tell
Without calipher everything is speculative :)

Biased on what the fuck exactly?measuring the skulls to have less or more cephalic index?we're not talking about fantasies here but actual measurements.
Why should it?Well why shouldn't it?we have original texts in this blog completely manipulated ,if you want me I can send you, now if a person is willing to manipulate texts which degraded mediterranean race and turned them into one where it sounds superior,what stops him from spreading more propaganda about whatever?are you playing dumb or are you?so independent sources is no argument if you don't read the original texts which I've no pleasure of doing just to expose that admin loser.
I don't remember that link of Maniots being Meds and what does this has to do with this thread?Send me again if it's important to your argument.
I don't doubt about Sfakiots being similar to these groups,I never spoke about genetically different Sfakiots ,none did although it'd be nice to have a study about them whatever they are along with Sarakatsanis&Karagounides
I'm not obsessed with anyone,I'm a skeptic,truth searcher and I like trolling narrow-minded people(like hellenas and fyletikas admin)and playing devil's advocate.

[Sikeliot]

I have only seen one Tsakonian result which was posted on the previous page and that person is similar to Cyclades and North Aegeans, and to Maniots. But that is just one person.

[Tauromachos]

I have only seen one Tsakonian result which was posted on the previous page and that person is similar to Cyclades and North Aegeans, and to Maniots. But that is just one person.

There have been more posted though

[Sikeliot]

There have been more posted though

Though as I have mentioned, I also think North Aegeans and Cyclades are not "dark" and East Med looking either, let alone Levantine. So it is not a surprise really if Tsakonians aren't dark.

[Sikeliot]

I'll add, despite their relative genetic closeness, Tsakonians look less Levantine than Sicilians. The difference is obvious.

[Tauromachos]

Though as I have mentioned, I also think North Aegeans and Cyclades are not "dark" and East Med looking either, let alone Levantine. So it is not a surprise really if Tsakonians aren't dark.

Greeks as a group are somehow darker and more Med looking than most Europeans and in my opinion
its not a bad thing.
On the other hand they look more European"wether dark or not" than their West Asian neighbours
And of course Cyclade Islanders have light types as well.

Most Greek groups have light and dark types among them

I was the first person here who pointed out that Islanders have light types as well and that its not a particular
Mainland thing.

[Sikeliot]

Greeks as a group are somehow darker and more Med looking than most Europeans and in my opinion
its not a bad thing.
On the other hand they look more European"wether dark or not" than their West Asian neighbours
And of course Cyclade Islanders have light types as well.

Most Greek groups have light and dark types among them

I was the first person here who pointed out that Islanders have light types as well and that its not a particular
Mainland thing.


See my comment above. I think that these photos, if they are representative for Tsakonia, look noticeably less Levantine than Sicilians do.

[Dorian]

See my comment above. I think that these photos, if they are representative for Tsakonia, look noticeably less Levantine than Sicilians do.

There's also a link on the OP for more photos with crowds for better examination if you are interested

[Sikeliot]

There's also a link on the OP for more photos with crowds for better examination if you are interested


I saw that and I stand by my comment. I don't even think Mediterranean is the predominant element, I think Dinaric is.

[Tauromachos]

I saw that and I stand by my comment. I don't even think Mediterranean is the predominant element, I think Dinaric is.

Tsakonians are more Med in general than Dinaric

Dorian is a clear Dinaricist or Dinaro Centrist and post the pictures he likes to post

He is exaclty what he accuses Hellenas of being only with different clothes
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?240141-Greek-Mainlanders-compared-to-Islanders-compared-to-Montengins


More similar to Islanders.



More similar to Islanders.

[Tauromachos]

Shut your fucking mouth you son of whore,

You realy want to insult me here on a personal level?

Ok i will take measures




stop with your propaganda,

propaganda is what your and your kin are doing here in the internet for years with your Dinarist and Nordicist theories and all these things
I could open a Nazi textbook and what they write there is almost the same with what you and similar folks want to claim.

Listen something from someone who has partial Cretan ancestry himself

Cretans are proud Greeks but neither are they Karagounides,Albanians or Balkanites

Cretans are none of these and they don't want to be



I cherrypick them fucking dumb animal?

A dumb animal is exactly what you are and hence why you use it as an insult against others
who disagree with you

[nightrider+]

You realy want to insult me here on a personal level?

Ok i will take measures




propaganda is what your and your kin are doing here in the internet for years with your Dinarist and Nordicist theories and all these things
I could open a Nazi textbook and what they write there is almost the same with what you and similar folks want to claim.

Listen something from someone who has partial Cretan ancestry himself

Cretans are proud Greeks but neither are they Karagounides,Albanians or Balkanites

Cretans are none of these and they don't want to be



A dumb animal is exactly what you are and hence why you use it as an insult against others
who disagree with youYou are not disagreeing, you offered no arguments. He posted books, you posted ad hominems. You never contribute anything other than wishful thinking and personal attacks.

[Dorian]

You realy want to insult me here on a personal level?

Ok i will take measures




propaganda is what your and your kin are doing here in the internet for years with your Dinarist and Nordicist theories and all these things
I could open a Nazi textbook and what they write there is almost the same with what you and similar folks want to claim.

Listen something from someone who has partial Cretan ancestry himself

Cretans are proud Greeks but neither are they Karagounides,Albanians or Balkanites

Cretans are none of these and they don't want to be



A dumb animal is exactly what you are and hence why you use it as an insult against others
who disagree with you

What are you going to do?report me ?hahahaha good for your Cretan side acting like a katina
The only person here who talks logically is me,you made me insult you when you threw dirt on me again like a katina,I'm talking to you honestly and you can't respect that and you keep talking about your own fantasy about me,so let me repeat If I was a nordicist or anything I'd admit it proudly,do you understand that idiot?or are you blinded by your hate of my arguments?
If you look at my post history,the first time I was involved with Hellenas was some days ago and I don't even remember the reason,he called me a northfag and then I destroyed him,I had something like 850 posts the previous week(these in about 5 years where others in months get thousands) even before I join this forum I ignored Hellenas posts because it was just about copy-paste so I didn't even knew what was the dispute between him and others,do you understand?
Again you show how fucking stupid you are,who compared Cretans with Karagounides what a paranoia and wordsalad?fucking idiot again ,I talked about Karagounides because they are an isolated group claimed to be aeolic and it'd be interesting to have a dna study about them along with other isolated groups but there you saw again some conspiracy that I'm trying to link Cretans with them?FUCK YOU AGAIN IQ -75,no critical thinking,no coherence and you have the nerves to talk your phenotypical supremacy?get lost mental(and not phenotypical) subhuman.

[Joso]

TAKE TWO MORE MINUTES IF YOU WANT AND LOOK HERE FOR SOME EXTRAS WITH CROWDS
https://imgur.com/a/dch0Ys9



https://i.postimg.cc/PqVRK5BM/TSAK0a.png (https://postimg.cc/mcMjgBZc)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZnKJGRwD/TSAK0b1.png (https://postimg.cc/njg87Hbv)

https://i.postimg.cc/CxFbvTTP/TSAK0b2.png (https://postimg.cc/D8MWZNzL)

https://i.postimg.cc/8zVZN08M/TSAK1a.png (https://postimg.cc/XpQfgxYY)

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZMJrC9q/TSAK1b.png (https://postimg.cc/gxj2v217)

https://i.postimg.cc/j2wnpZg1/TSAK2a.png (https://postimg.cc/5QJtvqM5)

https://i.postimg.cc/mrmj3ZPy/TSAK2b.png (https://postimg.cc/CZfbSgHR)

https://i.postimg.cc/1zbn1b2Z/TSAK3a.png (https://postimg.cc/yJXYFp7f)

https://i.postimg.cc/tJxzHh2B/TSAK3b.png (https://postimg.cc/GTbDFs0D)

https://i.postimg.cc/ryxh3k3M/TSAK4a.png (https://postimg.cc/yW6X3w7b)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZYWczhQC/TSAK4b.png (https://postimg.cc/LhMfjG2p)

https://i.postimg.cc/tTCx5FKs/TSAK5a.png (https://postimg.cc/R3yhCJVm)

https://i.postimg.cc/rp94xfP6/TSAK5b.png (https://postimg.cc/Z9C0hxmj)

https://i.postimg.cc/VknnLf9k/TSAKe.png (https://postimg.cc/XrNps0DR)

https://i.postimg.cc/tT1cYnBx/TSAKoe.png (https://postimg.cc/bDhg5rcy)

Wow they seem very light and beautiful! They look very dinarid, alpine and gorid, some of them even look to have nordid influence.
The true definition of "slavicized Greeks"!

[Tauromachos]

You are not disagreeing, you offered no arguments.

I have posted or offered often enough arguments or there is arguments all over the web
for someone who wants to find about this Dorian invasion bullshit and all these things

As usual you all gang up together

And if you or him want to know for sure go to Crete and ask Cretans

They don't consider themselves Vlachs or Karagounides

Cretans laugh about Vlachs they couldn't care less

[Dorian]

I'm a son of a whore and a sailor

Stop writing,you are an iq cancer ,you make others lose iq points with your autism.

[Tauromachos]

Stop writing,you are an iq cancer ,you make others lose iq points with your autism.

iq cancer is you and your Dinaric kin

But wait you aren't even Dinaric

Go and fuck yourself Slavospore

You think you can play the tough man here and be agressive and push others to agree with your bullshit?

[Dorian]

iq cancer is you and your Dinaric kin

But wait you aren't even Dinaric

Go and fuck yourself Slavospore

You think you can play the tough man here and be agressive and push others to agree with your bullshit?

I'm tired already you're right,stop wasting oxygen finger yourself and jump out of the window!

[Tauromachos]

I'm tired already you're right

Ok then keep quite and go to sleep

[Sikeliot]

It'd be nice if both of you would stop being rude and stick to the topic at hand.

[Tauromachos]

It'd be nice if both of you would stop being rude and stick to the topic at hand.

Then you should delete his comments where he insults me personally as son of a whore
and tells me to jump out the window

Who is this moron he thinks he is the boss here and can do what he wants

Take measures!

[nightrider+]

Then you should delete his comments where he insults me personally as son of a whore
and tells me to jump out the window

Who is this moron he thinks he is the boss here and can do what he wants

Take measures!

Did you say the same when your bf was spamming the other thread with his fantasies about my mother?

[Tauromachos]

Did you say the same when your bf was spamming the other thread with his fantasies about my mother?

Νο its up to yourself in that case to do this

[nightrider+]

Νο its up to yourself in that case to do this

I did but he cried to the mods or Loki and my thread that was exposing him got deleted. You were always there supporting him though.

[Tauromachos]

See my comment above. I think that these photos, if they are representative for Tsakonia, look noticeably less Levantine than Sicilians do.

I don't know why you bring this Levantine looking or Sicilian in here

I said that Greeks in general and Tsakonians also tend to be more Alpines and Meds or mixes of them
than Dinarics,that most Dinarics in Greece are Dinaro Alpines and not pure Dinarics like those among Gheg Albanians

If you think the majority of people here are Dinaric then you should look at real textbook and see how the pure Dinaric type
examples posted there of Gheg highlanders and others look like and are described.

And about Sicilians i just said that Tsakonians genetically are closer to them than Mainland Greeks are in general regardless what they look like or that Tsakonians shift rather South for Mainland Greeks than North
and you didn't denied that

[Sikeliot]

And about Sicilians i just said that Tsakonians genetically are closer to them than Mainland Greeks are in general regardless what they look like or that Tsakonians shift rather South for Mainland Greeks than North
and you didn't denied that

Genetically they are, but I am saying phenotypically it doesn't show based on these photos.

[kleenex]

Here's a photo of my maternal grandmother who was born in the Tsakonian hamlet of Paleochori near Leondion, Arcadia. She's the real deal Tsaknonian. I have been to her village and know the origins of her people.She appears to be a mix of Alpine Med and Berid in my opinion. 82946

[kleenex]

Tsakonians appear to be predominantly Alpine Meds, minor Dinarids and a few Atlanto meds. I believe that Dorians were NW Greeks (regionally speaking) so there wouldn't be much of a variation other than possible higher IE.

[nightrider+]

Here's a photo of my maternal grandmother who was born in the Tsakonian hamlet of Paleochori near Leondion, Arcadia. She's the real deal Tsaknonian. I have been to her village and know the origins of her people.She appears to be a mix of Alpine Med and Berid in my opinion. 82946Dark Baltid.

Inb4 cyberbutthurt

[kleenex]

Dark Baltid.

Inb4 cyberbutthurt

You really think so?

[Sikeliot]

You really think so?

Berid, to me.

[nightrider+]

You really think so?I'm not being 100% serious but that's not a Mediterranean either.

[kleenex]

Berid, to me.

Paleo something. Her village was pretty remote.