Global25 Europe K8 Calculator

[J. Ketch]

185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html - Select ltg European k8 in Step 1

Simple but effective, seems to model different parts of Europe well.

Component references

East Mediterranean = Cypriot
West Mediterranean = Sardinian
North Sea = Dutch
Atlantic = Basque
Baltic = Latvian
Siberian = Nganasan
North Africa = Tunisian
Sub-Sahara = Yoruba

My result (default penalty)

Fit - 1.2243

North Sea - 95.83%
Atlantic - 4.17%

[Lemgrant]

LTG_european_K8

Fit 2.06

Baltic 70
North Sea 27.5
East Mediterranean 1.67
Siberia 0.83

https://i.imgur.com/g2xZrag.png

[FilhoV]

Distance: 1.6948

North Sea 30.83
West Mediterranean 25
Atlantic 22.5
North Africa 10.83
East Mediterranean 10
Sub Sahara 0.83

[Kaspias]

[1] "distance%=2.5857"

Kaspias_scaled

East_Mediterranean,47
North_Sea,43
Siberia,7
Baltic,3

[Gründig]

185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html - Select ltg European k8 in Step 1

Simple but effective, seems to model different parts of Europe well.

Component references

East Mediterranean = Cypriot
West Mediterranean = Sardinian
North Sea = Dutch
Atlantic = Basque
Baltic = Latvian
Siberian = Nganasan
North Africa = Tunisian
Sub-Sahara = Yoruba

My result (default penalty)

Fit - 1.2243

North Sea - 95.83%
Atlantic - 4.17%

Does the 4% Basque make sense to you?

[Rædwald]

How do I get my global25 coordinates?

[J. Ketch]

Does the 4% Basque make sense to you?
In terms of this calculator, yes. British are more genetically Western (WHG) than Dutch and that is expressed in this calculator by the Basques, the most genetically Western people in Europe.


How do I get my global25 coordinates?
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-powerful-global-25-now-available.html

I would be interested to see your results.

[Dick]

In terms of this calculator, yes. British are more genetically Western (WHG) than Dutch and that is expressed in this calculator by the Basques, the most genetically Western people in Europe.


http://bga101.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-powerful-global-25-now-available.html

I would be interested to see your results.

Balts have the most WHG. You're a celticized Bell Beaker hence the Basque from maritime Bell Beakers and probably your ydna too.

[J. Ketch]

Balts have the most WHG. You're a celticized Bell Beaker hence the Basque from maritime Bell Beakers and probably your ydna too.
Balts have the most WHG-like ancestry, but they have very little actual WHG. Basques would have the most of that.

I am nearly entirely Bell Beaker with some Southern pull since the Bronze Age and Basques are both Western and Southern. My y-dna has nothing to do with Basques, it's direct from the Steppe.

[karakartal]

LTG European K8
[1] "distance%=1.9954"

karakartal_scaled

East_Mediterranean,60.6
North_Sea,18.4
Baltic,16.4
Siberia,4.6

What do you think?

[Dick]

Balts have the most WHG-like ancestry, but they have very little actual WHG. Basques would have the most of that.

I am nearly entirely Bell Beaker with some Southern pull since the Bronze Age and Basques are both Western and Southern. My y-dna has nothing to do with Basques, it's direct from the Steppe.

R1 subclades in Europe are all direct from the Steppe. All Iberian men were wiped out by Yamna men 4,000 years ago.


https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/spanish-men-were-completely-wiped-out-by-the-arrival-of-a-new-tribe-4000-years-ago/

[Bosniensis]

R1 subclades in Europe are all direct from the Steppe. All Iberian men were wiped out by Yamna men 4,000 years ago.


https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/spanish-men-were-completely-wiped-out-by-the-arrival-of-a-new-tribe-4000-years-ago/

That is true, but it's not 4500 but 1500, that will have to be corrected eventually, and I know exactly where they are wrong.

That number is correct but observation is incorrect. You would get that number if you would say that a Day in Canada and a Day in Europe (when Night is in Europe) and day in Poles are 3 days. We observe all that as a ONE day that is arriving by going through timezones. 4500 needs to be divided by 3 to get 1 European Day and that's 1500 years.

[celticdragongod]

My result:

Fit 0.9803

Baltic 0.83
North Sea 99.17

[Pedro Ruben]

"sample": "Custom: Pedro_scaled",
"fit": 1.5612,
"North_Sea_K8": 36.67,
"Atlantic_K8": 31.67,
"North_Africa_K8": 10.83,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 9.17,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 8.33,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 2.5,
"Baltic_K8": 0.83

[Coastal Elite]

"sample": "Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled",

"fit": 1.4806,
"North_Sea_K8": 79.17,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 12.5,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 6.67,
"Baltic_K8": 1.67,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"Siberia_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,

[Luke35]

"sample": "Custom: DacoCeltic_scaled",

"fit": 1.4806,
"North_Sea_K8": 79.17,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 12.5,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 6.67,
"Baltic_K8": 1.67,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"Siberia_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,

Very interesting result. I just recently came across a Medieval Romanian sample, and I ran it with these same components. The result was strikingly similar to yours! In fact, there is even some artwork associated with this fella, it seems he was a powerful military leader. Here is a painting I found of him:

https://i.imgur.com/8VU89QL.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

Very interesting result. I just recently came across a Medieval Romanian sample, and I ran it with these same components. The result was strikingly similar to yours! In fact, there is even some artwork associated with this fella, it seems he was a powerful military leader. Here is a painting I found of him:

https://i.imgur.com/8VU89QL.jpg

LOL!! He plots with modern East French, Swiss-Germans, and Tyrolian Austria. How would you classify him?

[Abdelnour]

"sample": "Custom:Scaled",
"fit": 1.2903,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 85,
"North_Africa_K8": 8.33,
"North_Sea_K8": 5,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0.83,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"Baltic_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,

Top 10:

"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus2AJ19: 1.735535",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP5: 2.384402",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus22AJ19: 2.732178",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus21AJ19: 2.783442",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP2: 2.884352",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP19: 2.919435",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus24AJ19: 3.192424",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20C1: 5.270063",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20D4: 5.409374",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands30: 5.444919"

[Luke35]

LOL!! He plots with modern East French, Swiss-Germans, and Tyrolian Austria. How would you classify him?

I had to google Mr. Wilhelm von Homburg. West Baltid, I think.

[Luke35]

Pen=0

"fit": 0.5619,
"North_Sea_K8": 61.67,
"Baltic_K8": 18.33,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 12.5,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 6.67,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,

[tipirneni]

{
"sample": "Andhra_Pradesh_Kamma:tipirneni_AGUser",
"fit": 27.175,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 46.67,
"Siberia_K8": 25.83,
"North_Sea_K8": 21.67,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 5.83,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"Baltic_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus22AJ19: 33.60742",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP19: 33.65063",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP5: 33.67370",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus21AJ19: 33.69394",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands33: 33.93477",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus24AJ19: 34.05702",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP2: 34.25974",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands5: 34.29537",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands55: 34.33875",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands8: 34.44068",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands43: 34.49398",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands48: 34.49897",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus2AJ19: 34.49992",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands16: 34.52440",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands4: 34.54419",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands46: 34.60536",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands49: 34.66041",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands42: 34.73557",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands22: 34.77431",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands17: 34.79290",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands6: 34.80970",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands11: 34.86774",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands57: 34.86998",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands7: 34.88368",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands21: 34.92148",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands27: 34.97200",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands41: 35.02313",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands31: 35.04172",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands29: 35.06008",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands47: 35.06435",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands26: 35.08853",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands30: 35.08994",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands24: 35.13471",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands63: 35.14847",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands13: 35.18455",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands9: 35.19022",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands34: 35.19611",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands20: 35.24260",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands15: 35.24912",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20B4: 35.26537",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands44: 35.28507",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands23: 35.28886",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands19: 35.30299",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands56: 35.34753",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands53: 35.38920",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands18: 35.42699",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands25: 35.50214",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands2: 35.57578",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands45: 35.58051",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands28: 35.59070",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands61: 35.66537",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20A5: 35.66723",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands36: 35.72115",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands35: 35.73106",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands14: 35.80621",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands59: 35.82665",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands60: 35.85091",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands54: 35.87391",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands39: 35.89635",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20D1: 35.97543",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20F4: 35.98394",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20D4: 35.99278",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands64: 36.00273",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands52: 36.00446",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands10: 36.02459",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands38: 36.03986",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands50: 36.05946",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20C1: 36.09573",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands40: 36.15920",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands12: 36.18551",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands51: 36.27999",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands3: 36.29956",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian200000: 36.31100",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands32: 36.41112",
"Baltic_K8:latvian54F2: 36.42739",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands1: 36.45593",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands62: 36.50191",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands58: 36.68187",
"Baltic_K8:latvian22J5: 36.81386",
"Baltic_K8:latvian58C6: 36.83408",
"Baltic_K8:latvian54H7: 37.17598",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20C4: 37.27177",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS32: 37.58088",
"Baltic_K8:latvian54A2: 37.65456",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS28: 37.70905",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS30: 37.73452",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS22: 37.73563",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS31: 37.76739",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS35: 37.76881",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS27: 37.89945",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS25: 38.19670",
"Atlantic_K8:BAS33: 38.39628",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP00665: 39.15072",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:S_Sardinian-2: 39.66984",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP01078: 39.68681",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP01066: 40.06280",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP01073: 40.16225",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP01075: 40.45470",
"Siberia_K8:Nganassan10: 51.36807",
"Siberia_K8:Nganassan2: 51.45821"
]
}
]

[Impaler]

"sample": "Custom:Impaler_scaled",
"fit": 2.3681,
"North_Sea_K8": 48.33,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 40.83,
"Baltic_K8": 6.67,
"Siberia_K8": 3.33,
"North_Africa_K8": 0.83,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,

[Abdelnour]

"sample": "Custom:Scaled",
"fit": 1.2903,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 85,
"North_Africa_K8": 8.33,
"North_Sea_K8": 5,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0.83,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"Baltic_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,

Top 10:

"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus2AJ19: 1.735535",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP5: 2.384402",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus22AJ19: 2.732178",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus21AJ19: 2.783442",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP2: 2.884352",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP19: 2.919435",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus24AJ19: 3.192424",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20C1: 5.270063",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20D4: 5.409374",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands30: 5.444919"

Actually the results above comes from unscaled coordinates using http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators_unscaled.html

Below are my scaled results:

"sample": "Custom:Scaled",
"fit": 2.1031,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 94.17,
"North_Africa_K8": 5.83

Top 10:

"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus2AJ19: 3.103902",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP5: 3.620203",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus21AJ19: 4.052721",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP19: 4.240890",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus22AJ19: 4.398269",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:CYP2: 4.439564",
"East_Mediterranean_K8:Cyprus24AJ19: 4.883820",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP00665: 14.520143",
"North_Africa_K8:Tunisian20B4: 14.933082",
"West_Mediterranean_K8:HGDP01078: 15.198618",

[WeirdLookingFellow]

"sample": "Custom:WeirdFellow_scaled",
"fit": 1.9306,
"North_Sea_K8": 46.67,
"Baltic_K8": 20.83,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 20,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 10.83,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0.83,
"Atlantic_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands33: 4.666402",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands30: 4.699256",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands31: 5.367607",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands29: 5.403316",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands25: 5.794895",
"North_Sea_K8:Netherlands27: 5.802593",

[JamesBond007]

In terms of this calculator, yes. British are more genetically Western (WHG) than Dutch and that is expressed in this calculator by the Basques, the most genetically Western people in Europe.

Totally agree Broham and I got very similar results to you :

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Kevin_scaled",
"fit": 1.5251,
"North_Sea_K8": 94.17,
"Atlantic_K8": 5,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,
"Baltic_K8": 0,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,[ }


Anyway, I think NorthSea would be better modeled via the proxy of Norway as long as the sample(s) were not from the West Coast or at least southern Sweden or Denmark. For instance, on G25 using the analysis of all modern populations my nmonte is like 75% Norwegian (NorthSea), 15% Spanish (forget what region) and 5% Welsh etc...that indicates Norwegian is stronger NorthSea than the Netherlands it seems.

[J. Ketch]

Totally agree Broham and I got very similar results to you :

[
{
"sample": "Custom:Kevin_scaled",
"fit": 1.5251,
"North_Sea_K8": 94.17,
"Atlantic_K8": 5,
"Siberia_K8": 0.83,
"Baltic_K8": 0,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 0,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0,[ }


Anyway, I think NorthSea would be better modeled via the proxy of Norway as long as the sample(s) were not from the West Coast or at least southern Sweden or Denmark. For instance, on G25 using the analysis of all modern populations my nmonte is like 75% Norwegian (NorthSea), 15% Spanish (forget what region) and 5% Welsh etc...that indicates Norwegian is stronger NorthSea than the Netherlands it seems.
That post is nearly a year old and I don't hold that opinion anymore.

[JamesBond007]

In terms of this calculator, yes. British are more genetically Western (WHG) than Dutch and that is expressed in this calculator by the Basques, the most genetically Western people in Europe.



Or to put it another way : Britain is to the West Germanics what Iceland is to the North Germanics.:thumb001:

[JamesBond007]

That post is nearly a year old and I don't hold that opinion anymore.

Too bad it is true because mediterrenean is to Britain what Alpine is to Germany and without these distinctions they would essentially be the same country and Britain is to the West Germanics what Iceland is to the North Germanics. There is nothing to argue about here as the Welsh and Cornish are more mediterranean in appearance and the Saxons did not wipe them out but bred with them that is why places like Devonshire exist you dimwit.

[J. Ketch]

Too bad it is true because mediterrenean is to Britain what Alpine is to Germany and without these distinctions they would essentially be the same country and Britain is to the West Germanics what Iceland is to the North Germanics. There is nothing to argue about here as the Welsh and Cornish are more mediterranean in appearance and the Saxons did not wipe them out but bred with them that is why places like Devonshire exist you dimwit.
You're talking crap as ever. Germany is far more heterogenous and Mediterranean shifted than anywhere in Britain.

[michal3141]

"sample": "Custom:Michal3141_scaled",
"fit": 1.8775,
"Baltic_K8": 63.33,
"North_Sea_K8": 30.83,
"East_Mediterranean_K8": 3.33,
"Siberia_K8": 1.67,
"Atlantic_K8": 0.83,
"North_Africa_K8": 0,
"Sub_Sahara_K8": 0,
"West_Mediterranean_K8": 0

[Nurzat]

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 1.4308% / 0.01430789
42.2 Baltic
26.2 East_Mediterranean
22.6 North_Sea
9.0 West_Mediterranean