Global25 and Basal-Rich K7 results

[Kelmendasi]

These are my G25 and K7 results by Davidski from Eurogenes

K7:
Ancient_North_Eurasian 10.21
Basal-rich 41.7
East_Eurasian 0
Oceanian 0.03
Southeast_Asian 0
Sub-Saharan 0
Villabruna-related 48.06

G25:
Barcin_N,61.4
Yamnaya_Samara,31.4
WHG,4.2
Armenia_EBA,3

https://i.postimg.cc/1zGdzqr5/Inked-G25-Europe-scaled-LI.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/dtgNmBWV/K7-triangle.png

[Kelmendasi]

Kaspias Balkans Modern K5:
fit 1.543
Balkan-Aegean - 90
Eastern Balkans - 0.83
Western Balkans - 9.17

Capitalis K16:
Fit - 1.1354
Albanian Greek - 70
Bosnian Montenegrin Serbian Romanian Bulgarian - 10.83
Italian North Central - 10.83
Sardinian - 8.33

Dorkymon Balkan K4:
Fit - 1.7581
Pre-Slavic Greek world - 12.50
Pre-Slavic Thracian world - 78.33
Slavic migration - 9.17

West Eurasian G25(Thanks to Token for running it):
Distance - 3.3003
EEF - 62.4
Yamnaya - 31.2
WHG - 4.2
CHG - 2.2

[Kelmendasi]

Balkan_IA + Slavic_Bohemia + Nordic_IA:
Balkan_IA - 70
Slavic_Bohemia - 21.67
Nordic_IA - 8.33

The Nordic_IA was used as a proxy for other north Euro input

[Kaspias]

Balkan_IA + Slavic_Bohemia + Nordic_IA:
Balkan_IA - 70
Slavic_Bohemia - 21.67
Nordic_IA - 8.33

The Nordic_IA was used as a proxy for other north Euro input

What was the it's distance?

[Kelmendasi]

What was the it's distance?
The fit was 2.3792. Are there any other calcs that you recommend?

[Kelmendasi]

Iron Age Europe K26:
Fit - 1.3296
Central Europe - 31.67
East Med - 26.67
West Med - 15.83
Baltic - 11.67
Northern Europe - 5
South Atlantic - 4.17
Caucasian - 4.17
SW Asian - 0.83

Calc by Michal3141:
1. Fit - 1.8404
Greek+Albanian - 82.2
Neolithic farmers - 12.4
Balto-Slavic - 5.4

With 0 penalty
2. fit - 1.7375
Greek+Albanian - 42
Neolithic farmers - 25.6
Balto-Slavic - 22.6
Semitic - 7.6
Caucasian - 2.2

Runs done by Aren:
Fit - 3.2252
Barcin_N - 61.8
Yamnaya_Samara - 30
Narva_Lithuania - 5.8
Seh_Gabi_ChL - 2.4

Fit - 2.5431
Balkans_ChL - 45.4
CWC_Germany - 35.8
Anatolia_BA - 18.8

[Kelmendasi]

G25 plot:
https://i.postimg.cc/RCj95mPS/Inkedimage-13-LI.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Balkan_IA + Slavic_Bohemia + Nordic_IA:
Balkan_IA - 70
Slavic_Bohemia - 21.67
Nordic_IA - 8.33

The Nordic_IA was used as a proxy for other north Euro input
Interestingly if I replace Nordic_IA with Germany_Medieval, the vast majority of the Slavic_Bohemia moves to that group. This may just be due to Germany_Medieval being more recent or something.
Fit - 2.2769
Balkans_IA - 65.83
Germany_Medieval - 25.83
Slavic_Bohemia - 8.33

[FilhoV]

[1] "distance%=3.0677 / distance=0.030677"

FilhoV_scaled

Barcin_N 53.55
Yamnaya_Samara 26.60
Saharawi 10.15
WHG 8.70
Yoruba 1.00

1] "distance%=3.1325"

FilhoV_scaled

EEF,53.2
Yamnaya,27
Moroccan,10.4
WHG,8.8
SSA,0.6


1] "distance%=3.3074 / distance=0.033074"

FilhoV_scaled

Barcin_N 57.20
Yamnaya_Samara 28.25
WHG 8.75
Yoruba 3.10
Natufian 2.70
Levant_ChL 0.00

[Kelmendasi]

Seems that I correlate better with Vucedol rather than Balkans_IA. Vucedol was a steppe influenced culture in the western Balkans dating back to the Copper Age. Though the result may not be great as the Iron Age and the Copper Age are pretty distant time frames

Fit - 3.6214
Vucedol - 60
Balkans_IA - 40

Vucedol when compared to Balkans_ChL(Chalcolithic/Copper Age):
Fit - 3.7056
Vucedol - 79.17
Balkans_ChL - 20.83

[Kamal900]

An Albanian superman. No wonder Muhammed Ali Pasha almost destroyed the Ottoman empire, rofl.

[Kelmendasi]

1] "distance%=3.1325"

FilhoV_scaled

EEF,53.2
Yamnaya,27
Moroccan,10.4
WHG,8.8
SSA,0.6



Here's mine for comparison

Distance - 3.3003
EEF - 62.4
Yamnaya - 31.2
WHG - 4.2
CHG - 2.2

Interestingly I seem to have less West Asian than the Albanian average, I lack Natufian and Iran_Neo which are found among us on average at about 2-3%. I also have quite a bit more steppe input when compared to the Albanian average which was about 25-26%.

[FilhoV]

Here's mine for comparison

Distance - 3.3003
EEF - 62.4
Yamnaya - 31.2
WHG - 4.2
CHG - 2.2

Interestingly I seem to have less West Asian than the Albanian average, I lack Natufian and Iran_Neo which are found among us on average at about 2-3%. I also have quite a bit more steppe input when compared to the Albanian average which was about 25-26%.

Interesting Albanians are very EEF

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting Albanians are very EEF
The average is about 56%, as you can see I am above average. Though I also have more steppe as well as more EEF

[Kelmendasi]

Balkan_IA + Slavic_Bohemia + Nordic_IA:
Balkan_IA - 70
Slavic_Bohemia - 21.67
Nordic_IA - 8.33

The Nordic_IA was used as a proxy for other north Euro input
If I use Vucedol instead of Balkan_IA. Note that the fit is worse when I use Vucedol rather than Balkan_IA and all Nordic_IA seems to have been absorbed by Vucedol as it's is completely gone in this run
Fit- 3.9998
Vucedol - 86.67
Slavic_Bohemia - 13.33

[FilhoV]

The average is about 56%, as you can see I am above average. Though I also have more steppe as well as more EEF

I’m above average too the average Portuguese is 45% EEF

[Coolguy1]

If I use Vucedol instead of Balkan_IA. Note that the fit is worse when I use Vucedol rather than Balkan_IA and all Nordic_IA seems to have been absorbed by Vucedol as it's is completely gone in this run
Fit- 3.9998
Vucedol - 86.67
Slavic_Bohemia - 13.33

When are the Vucedol samples dated to?

[Dick]

Balkan_IA + Slavic_Bohemia + Nordic_IA:
Balkan_IA - 70
Slavic_Bohemia - 21.67
Nordic_IA - 8.33

The Nordic_IA was used as a proxy for other north Euro input

You should use only Iron Age samples. Slavic Bohemia is recent. Here's is yours with only Iron Age. Distance @ 2.1659 and a plot map(the white dot)


https://i.imgur.com/4KV2iYr.png

[Kelmendasi]

When are the Vucedol samples dated to?
The Vucedol sample is dated back to around 2700BCE, so during the Bronze Age. Though the Vucedol culture began around the Copper Age/Chalcolithic.

[Kelmendasi]

Some calcs ran by Ph2ter on Anthrogenica:
[1] "distance%=2.4481"
EUROPEAN-FARMERS,61.8
STEPPE,22.2
ARMENIA,14.8
EUROPEAN-HUNTERS,1.2

"distance%=1.6484"
ILLYRII,60.6
ITALI,26
BALTI,8.8
GRAECI,4.6

[Dick]

Here's your simplistic Euro nmonte


"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
South_East_European South_West_European West_European Central_European
3.918561 6.047810 6.939561 9.250371
North_West_European Balto_Slavic Finnic
10.254680 12.455381 15.295545


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"


[1] "distance%=2.8878"



South_East_European,68.6
South_West_European,20.6
Balto_Slavic,10.8

[Kelmendasi]

Here's your simplistic Euro nmonte


"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
South_East_European South_West_European West_European Central_European
3.918561 6.047810 6.939561 9.250371
North_West_European Balto_Slavic Finnic
10.254680 12.455381 15.295545


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"


[1] "distance%=2.8878"



South_East_European,68.6
South_West_European,20.6
Balto_Slavic,10.8
Cheers for running it.

[Kelmendasi]

Single populations(Thanks to Kaspias for running it):
1. Albanian 2.063986
2. Greek 2.56940
3. Italian_Bergamo 3.212844
4. Italian_Tuscan 3.456839
5. Bulgarian 3.849540
6. Macedonian 4.025882
7. Italian_Abruzzo 4.120144
8. Romanian 4.392676
9. Serbian 4.814035
10. Sicilian_West 4.887457
11. Italian_South 4.951619
12. Spanish_Baleares 5.031042
13. Montenegrin 5.148887
14. Sicilian_East 5.215667
15. Spanish_Andalucia 5.227582
16. Spanish_Murcia 5.466388
17. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.767315
18. Spanish_Extremadura 5.779090
19. Portuguese 5.944655
20. Spanish_Valencia 6.004121

[FilhoV]

Mine and 2 other Spanish populations

Using ancient populations from Portugal + Hallstatt for indo-european input , Anatolia_BA for East-Med influences, and Moroccan for North-African :


Spanish_Baleares

Hallstatt_Bylany 46.8
Iberia_BA 29.7
Anatolia_BA 21.1
Moroccan 2.5

[1] "distance%=1.9934 / distance=0.019934"

Spanish_Cantabria

Hallstatt_Bylany 41.40
Iberia_BA 37.90
Anatolia_BA 12.35
Portugal_MBA 6.15
Moroccan 2.20



[1] "distance%=2.3858 / distance=0.023858"

FilhoV_scaled

Hallstatt_Bylany 43.0
Portugal_MBA 24.2
Anatolia_BA 21.0
Moroccan 11.8
Portugal_LNCA 0.0
Portugal_MN 0.0

[Kelmendasi]

Michal K50 Modern:
Fit - 2.2078
Greek-Albanian - 92.5
Iberian - 5.83
Basque - 1.67

Ph2ter Ancient 2500-2000BCE:
Fit - 1.5141
Minoan - 47.2
Corded-Ware Baltic - 13.8
Beakers Central European - 13
Corded-Ware Germany - 11.2
Beakers Hungary - 10
Armenia-EBA - 2.8
Levant - 1.2
Central Asia - 0.8

[Kelmendasi]

Capitalis Ancient World K14:
Fit - 4.0038
Anatolia 8300-7900BC - 68.33
Caucasus 7900-7500BC - 14.17
Eastern Europe 9386-9231BC - 12.50
Western Europe 11100-10800BC - 3.33
Levant 7300-6700BC - 1.67

[Kaspias]

Capitalis Ancient World K14:
Fit - 4.0038
Anatolia 8300-7900BC - 68.33
Caucasus 7900-7500BC - 14.17
Eastern Europe 9386-9231BC - 12.50
Western Europe 11100-10800BC - 3.33
Levant 7300-6700BC - 1.67

I hadn't seen this calculator, seems interesting.

Fit=3.4896

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 35.83
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 25.83
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 19.17
Levant 7300-6700 BC 10.17
Siberia 5500-5000 BC 9

[Kelmendasi]

I hadn't seen this calculator, seems interesting.

Fit=3.4896

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 35.83
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 25.83
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 19.17
Levant 7300-6700 BC 10.17
Siberia 5500-5000 BC 9
It was added today iirc

[Kaspias]

It was added today iirc

I wonder which samples used as references. I couldn't find a main thread for it.

[Kelmendasi]

I wonder which samples used as references. I couldn't find a main thread for it.
It was mentioned here https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14849-Automated-Global25-nMonte-entirely-from-the-web/page100

[Koolmets21]

nMonte Penalty (0.001)

Me:

Fit=3.8146

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 52.5
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 18.33
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 15.83
Levant 7300-6700 BC 10
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 3.33


Dad:

Fit=4.1052

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 54.17
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 28.33
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 12.5
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 4.17
Levant 7300-6700 BC 0.83

[Koolmets21]

....

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

how much is slavic input in albania ?

[Bosniensis]

how much is slavic input in albania ?

Northern Albanians have a lot

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Northern Albanians have a lot

i tought it's more in south albanians

[Kaspias]

i tought it's more in south albanians

Albanians from Montenegro almost have more Slavic than Bulgarians.

[Bosniensis]

Albanians from Montenegro almost have more Slavic than Bulgarians.

do you have sheets for this calc? I can run nmonte myself

[Lemgrant]

It was mentioned here https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14849-Automated-Global25-nMonte-entirely-from-the-web/page100

with pen=0
Fit 6.67

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 42.5
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 8.33
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 44.17
Levant 7300-6700 BC 0.83
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 4.17

with pen=0.001
Fit 6.67

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 44.17
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 7.5
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 45
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 3.33

[Bosniensis]

with pen=0
Fit 6.67

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 42.5
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 8.33
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 44.17
Levant 7300-6700 BC 0.83
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 4.17

with pen=0.001
Fit 6.67

Anatolia 8300-7900 BC 44.17
Caucasus 7900-7500 BC 7.5
Eastern Europe 9386-9231 BC 45
Western Europe 11100-10800 BC 3.33

can you do mine or give me spreadsheet for calc?

[Kaspias]

do you have sheets for this calc? I can run nmonte myself

He hasn't shared spreadsheet as far as i know

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Albanians from Montenegro almost have more Slavic than Bulgarians.

damn i would never guess

[Kelmendasi]

Northern Albanians have a lot
No they don't, autosomally there isn't much. In terms of Y-DNA it's very minor.

[Kelmendasi]

Albanians from Montenegro almost have more Slavic than Bulgarians.
Where did you get that from lol?

[Kaspias]

Where did you get that from lol?

Gedmatch basically

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.35
2 West_Med 20.56
3 East_Med 20.31
4 North_Atlantic 17.82
5 West_Asian 13.31
6 Red_Sea 2.66


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.051246
2 Romanian @ 8.096667
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.860739
4 Serbian @ 12.492260
5 Moldavian @ 16.569227
6 Central_Greek @ 16.962769
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.031141
8 East_Sicilian @ 18.582382
9 Tuscan @ 18.586851
10 West_Sicilian @ 19.516670
11 Croatian @ 20.299250
12 North_Italian @ 20.389547
13 Ashkenazi @ 21.002153
14 Hungarian @ 21.632137
15 South_Italian @ 22.104815
16 Austrian @ 25.045732
17 East_German @ 26.971287
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 27.191717
19 Portuguese @ 27.953249
20 Algerian_Jewish @ 28.134802

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Moldavian @ 4.641102


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Cyprian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.394294



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.49
2 Baltic 22.59
3 East_Med 19.55
4 West_Med 19.48
5 West_Asian 9.68
6 Red_Sea 2.01
7 Siberian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 3.957199
2 Bulgarian @ 4.334070
3 Serbian @ 7.694951
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.736210
5 North_Italian @ 14.669564
6 Tuscan @ 14.712680
7 Moldavian @ 15.052073
8 Hungarian @ 16.905420
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.347050
10 Croatian @ 17.967630
11 West_Sicilian @ 18.534256
12 Central_Greek @ 18.692770
13 Austrian @ 19.389128
14 East_Sicilian @ 19.950233
15 Portuguese @ 21.127611
16 French @ 21.560417
17 East_German @ 21.714933
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.939709
19 Ashkenazi @ 22.053261
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.274836

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.445771


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% North_Italian +25% Serbian @ 1.931439

[Kelmendasi]

damn i would never guess
They don't have "almost more Slavic than Bulgarians". Montenegrin Albanians have a slight NW shift when compared to the average Albanian, some do have Slavic admix but saying that it's on the level or more than Bulgarians is incorrect.

[Kelmendasi]

Gedmatch basically

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.35
2 West_Med 20.56
3 East_Med 20.31
4 North_Atlantic 17.82
5 West_Asian 13.31
6 Red_Sea 2.66


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.051246
2 Romanian @ 8.096667
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 9.860739
4 Serbian @ 12.492260
5 Moldavian @ 16.569227
6 Central_Greek @ 16.962769
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 18.031141
8 East_Sicilian @ 18.582382
9 Tuscan @ 18.586851
10 West_Sicilian @ 19.516670
11 Croatian @ 20.299250
12 North_Italian @ 20.389547
13 Ashkenazi @ 21.002153
14 Hungarian @ 21.632137
15 South_Italian @ 22.104815
16 Austrian @ 25.045732
17 East_German @ 26.971287
18 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 27.191717
19 Portuguese @ 27.953249
20 Algerian_Jewish @ 28.134802

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Moldavian @ 4.641102


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Cyprian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.394294



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.49
2 Baltic 22.59
3 East_Med 19.55
4 West_Med 19.48
5 West_Asian 9.68
6 Red_Sea 2.01
7 Siberian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 3.957199
2 Bulgarian @ 4.334070
3 Serbian @ 7.694951
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.736210
5 North_Italian @ 14.669564
6 Tuscan @ 14.712680
7 Moldavian @ 15.052073
8 Hungarian @ 16.905420
9 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.347050
10 Croatian @ 17.967630
11 West_Sicilian @ 18.534256
12 Central_Greek @ 18.692770
13 Austrian @ 19.389128
14 East_Sicilian @ 19.950233
15 Portuguese @ 21.127611
16 French @ 21.560417
17 East_German @ 21.714933
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.939709
19 Ashkenazi @ 22.053261
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.274836

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.445771


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% North_Italian +25% Serbian @ 1.931439
Based on what, the Baltic score? Montenegrin Albanians seem to be like Kosovar Albanians but just with a slightly more NW pull or shift, some do show Slavic input but it isn't more than that of Bulgarians.

[Kaspias]

Based on what, the Baltic score? Montenegrin Albanians seem to be like Kosovar Albanians but just with a slightly more NW pull or shift, some do show Slavic input but it isn't more than that of Bulgarians.

I haven't said more than Bulgarians, i said almost more than Bulgarians.

Bulgarian average Baltic score is 23. Thracian ones usually score between 20-23. Western - Northern ones usually score 24-30.

I have 4-5 different Albanian result too(from Montenegro) and their average is between 20 and 21.

Not only Baltic score, but also oracles are good clue

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

They don't have "almost more Slavic than Bulgarians". Montenegrin Albanians have a slight NW shift when compared to the average Albanian, some do have Slavic admix but saying that it's on the level or more than Bulgarians is incorrect.

it sounded weird to me because montenegrins are not that much slavic to begin with. but my question is how much slavic input is average for albanians ?

[Kelmendasi]

I haven't said more than Bulgarians, i said almost more than Bulgarians.

Bulgarian average Baltic score is 23. Thracian ones usually score between 20-23. Western - Northern ones usually score 24-30.

I have 4-5 different Albanian result too(from Montenegro) and their average is between 20 and 21.

Not only Baltic score, but also oracles are good clue
Baltic score doesn't represent Slavic input, it's a proxy for any NE Euro input. Oracles don't necessarily show ancestry, they just show what groups you correlate best with when comparing your score and the average scores. If Montenegrin Albanians had that much Slavic input then they would be plotting and clustering more with Macedonians and Bulgarians and not with other Albanians, as well as them having a NE shift rather than NW. They are most alike to Kosovo Albanians and north Albanians. They do have some Slavic input(depending on region) but isn't almost as high as that of Macedonians and Bulgarians.

[Kelmendasi]

it sounded weird to me because montenegrins are not that much slavic to begin with. but my question is how much slavic input is average for albanians ?
Tbh I don't know how much Slavic input there is in Albanians when it comes to autosomal DNA, there is some though not in large amounts.

[Kaspias]

Baltic score doesn't represent Slavic input, it's a proxy for any NE Euro input. Oracles don't necessarily show ancestry, they just show what groups you correlate best with when comparing your score and the average scores. If Montenegrin Albanians had that much Slavic input then they would be plotting and clustering more with Macedonians and Bulgarians and not with other Albanians, as well as them having a NE shift rather than NW. They are most alike to Kosovo Albanians and north Albanians. They do have some Slavic input(depending on region) but isn't almost as high as that of Macedonians and Bulgarians.

Yes it is not necessarily Slavic. But on the terms of gedmatch it represents Slavic component. We're saying same thing.

-Bulgarian Baltic range: 20-31
-Albanian (Montenegro and Kosovo) Baltic range: 17-25

This.

[Kelmendasi]

Yes it is not necessarily Slavic. But on the terms of gedmatch it represents Slavic component. We're saying same thing.

-Bulgarian Baltic range: 20-31
-Albanian (Montenegro and Kosovo) Baltic range: 17-25

This.
Baltic mixed in with high east Euro scores would signify Slavic input, Baltic on it's own doesn't. Anyways, Slavic admixture itself is determined by many factors. From what I can tell the Albanians from Montenegro and Kosovo don't share much genetic similarity or correlation with south Slavs. As well as them having even less Slavic Y-DNA haplogroups than Albanians from Albania, though this just means that it wasn't Slavic men that entered their admix

[Kaspias]

As well as them having even less Slavic Y-DNA haplogroups than Albanians from Albania, though this just means that it wasn't Slavic men that entered their admix


I don't have so much knowledge about their haplogroups but yes i would probably agree with you.


From what I can tell the Albanians from Montenegro and Kosovo don't share much genetic similarity or correlation with south Slavs

Sure, if person don't have recent South Slav mix this is expected. Slavic-Steppe admixture probably coming from early Slavic migration and have nothing to do with current South Slavic form.


Baltic mixed in with high east Euro scores would signify Slavic input, Baltic on it's own doesn't. Anyways, Slavic admixture itself is determined by many factors.

I don't agree with "Baltic mixed in with high east Euro scores" part, even more than 10% Baltic can show Slavic admixture although it is little amount. Baltic can point out Slavic admixture itself but it won't be certain, of course. You can take my results as an example in this case, i have only 19 and one of my parents are Slavic speaker, other one is partly Slavic. Baltic directly shows Slavic ancestry but as you said it is not only element which shows Slavic ancestry. It is determining by many factors at the background. Phenotype is a good indicator for this. We can't expect Baltid phenotype from an Albanian even if s/he has 25 Baltic.

[Kelmendasi]

Ph2ter 0-1000BCE(Iron Age) calc:
Fit - 1.7249
Greek - 47.40
Macedonian - 26.80
Baltic - 19
Illyrian - 4.40
Iberian - 2.40

Not sure if penalty is set to 0 or 0.001. The Greek category is based on the Mycenaean samples, Macedonian is based on sample I5769 which is an Iron Age Balkan sample, and Illyrian is based on samples I3313, I4331, and I4332 which are Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Kinda disappointing(sarcasm btw) to see the Illyrian score at 4.40%, other Albs were getting 30% :(. Though it makes sense that the "Macedonian" score is higher as it's an IA sample.

[Lemgrant]

Ph2ter 0-1000BCE(Iron Age) calc:
Fit - 1.7249
Greek - 47.40
Macedonian - 26.80
Baltic - 19
Illyrian - 4.40
Iberian - 2.40

Not sure if penalty is set to 0 or 0.001. The Greek category is based on the Mycenaean samples, Macedonian is based on sample I5769 which is an Iron Age Balkan sample, and Illyrian is based on samples I3313, I4331, and I4332 which are Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Kinda disappointing(sarcasm btw) to see the Illyrian score at 4.40%, other Albs were getting 30% :(. Though it makes sense that the "Macedonian" score is higher as it's an IA sample.

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16161-0-1000-BCE-(Iron-Age)-G25-Fun-Calculator

my result:
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
PONTIC-BALTIC NORDIC CELTIC-NORTHWEST
4.381228 7.231677 7.410676
PANNONIAN CELTIC-SOUTHEAST BALTIC
7.498297 7.969957 8.096599
CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC PANNONIAN-PONTIC
8.659512 9.442484

[1] "distance%=2.9798"



PONTIC-BALTIC,49
BALTIC,31.4
PANNONIAN,7
CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC,2.6
EURASIAN-ARCTIC,2.2
ILLYRIAN,1.4
PANNONIAN-PONTIC,1.2
PONTIC,0.8
ANATOLIAN,0.6
CENTRAL-ASIAN-INDOEUROPEAN,0.6
MACEDONIAN,0.6
CIMMERIAN,0.4
GREEK,0.4
SARMATIAN-POKROVKA,0.4
SARMATIAN-URALS,0.4
SARMATIAN-WEST,0.4
ALANIC,0.2
HUNNIC-CENTRAL-ASIAN,0.2
SARMATIAN,0.2

with pen=0:
[1] "distance%=2.6656"

BALTIC,39.6
PONTIC-BALTIC,38
MACEDONIAN,9.2
CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC,6.4
ILLYRIAN,3
EAST-HUNNIC-MONGOLIAN,2.6
LEVANTINE,1.2

[Ayetooey]

Ph2ter 0-1000BCE(Iron Age) calc:
Fit - 1.7249
Greek - 47.40
Macedonian - 26.80
Baltic - 19
Illyrian - 4.40
Iberian - 2.40

Not sure if penalty is set to 0 or 0.001. The Greek category is based on the Mycenaean samples, Macedonian is based on sample I5769 which is an Iron Age Balkan sample, and Illyrian is based on samples I3313, I4331, and I4332 which are Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Kinda disappointing(sarcasm btw) to see the Illyrian score at 4.40%, other Albs were getting 30% :(. Though it makes sense that the "Macedonian" score is higher as it's an IA sample.

Illyrian sample seems a bit off tbh.


[1] "distance%=2.6189"

Zoran23_scaled

ILLYRIAN,41.2
CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC,21.8
BALTIC,15
PONTIC-BALTIC,10.4
PONTIC,5.6
IBERIAN,5.4
LEVANTINE,0.6

[Lemgrant]

Ph2ter 0-1000BCE(Iron Age) calc:
Fit - 1.7249
Greek - 47.40
Macedonian - 26.80
Baltic - 19
Illyrian - 4.40
Iberian - 2.40

Not sure if penalty is set to 0 or 0.001. The Greek category is based on the Mycenaean samples, Macedonian is based on sample I5769 which is an Iron Age Balkan sample, and Illyrian is based on samples I3313, I4331, and I4332 which are Bronze Age samples from Croatia. Kinda disappointing(sarcasm btw) to see the Illyrian score at 4.40%, other Albs were getting 30% :(. Though it makes sense that the "Macedonian" score is higher as it's an IA sample.

I ran your coordinates with default pen=0.001:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ILLYRIAN MACEDONIAN PANNONIAN GREEK
3.617082 3.668860 6.480125 6.558026
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST IBERIAN CELTIC-NORTHWEST PONTIC
8.379383 9.056889 10.165884 10.209542

[1] "distance%=2.5611"

Vushaj_scaled

MACEDONIAN,39
ILLYRIAN,26
GREEK,17
PANNONIAN,7.8
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,5.2
PONTIC-BALTIC,1.8
LEVANTINE,1.2
BALTIC,1
NORDIC,0.6
CELTIC-NORTHWEST,0.4

[Kelmendasi]

I ran your coordinates with default pen=0.001:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ILLYRIAN MACEDONIAN PANNONIAN GREEK
3.617082 3.668860 6.480125 6.558026
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST IBERIAN CELTIC-NORTHWEST PONTIC
8.379383 9.056889 10.165884 10.209542

[1] "distance%=2.5611"

Vushaj_scaled

MACEDONIAN,39
ILLYRIAN,26
GREEK,17
PANNONIAN,7.8
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,5.2
PONTIC-BALTIC,1.8
LEVANTINE,1.2
BALTIC,1
NORDIC,0.6
CELTIC-NORTHWEST,0.4
Nice, cheers. So the Illyrian score increased significantly and the Greek decreased. Ph2ter always seems to run them at pen 0.

[Kelmendasi]

Illyrian sample seems a bit off tbh.


[1] "distance%=2.6189"

Zoran23_scaled

ILLYRIAN,41.2
CENTRAL-EUROPEAN-PONTIC,21.8
BALTIC,15
PONTIC-BALTIC,10.4
PONTIC,5.6
IBERIAN,5.4
LEVANTINE,0.6
It may be because it has a good amount of steppe input within it, but still 41% for a half Brit half Serb seems pretty high. I got 26% when at pen 0.001.

[Kelmendasi]

Correlation map done by Erikl86 on Anthrogenica:

https://i.postimg.cc/9Mvjprvj/image-20.png

[Kelmendasi]

Basal Rich K7 PCA:

https://i.ibb.co/k4mCrTX/kelmendasi.png

I seem to plot NW of the average Albanian according to K7.