EV-13 haplogroup Result , help needed please. Cousins here? ;-)

[Dasbootu96]

Dear all,
I just got my DNA tests results from Living DNA. I m EV-13,https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/23bea470f49164f0ac6ac778edfbd51d.jpg

I would like some help in order to understand my results:

Thank
You in advance

Fabrice

My raw data (father line)


CTS10637/M5327
CTS12877
CTS1773
CTS1975/PF2126
CTS2270/PF2127
CTS2661/PF2130
CTS3512/M5150/V2737/PF1655
CTS4208/V2970/Z1209/PF2136
CTS4220/M5166
CTS4685/PF1671/M5467
CTS4994/M5468
CTS5316/M5470/PF1683
CTS5527/PF2232
CTS5792/M5190/PF1692
CTS6048/M5475/PF1697
CTS6755/PF1713/M5485
CTS6953/M5221
CTS7924/PF2154
CTS8189/M5500
CTS8269/M5501/PF1743
CTS8432/PF1745
CTS8899
CTS890/PF1513/M5059
F168
FGC12658/Y3357
L1004
L1013
L1053
L1060/PF1021
L1062/PF302
L1084
L1112
L1220/M9212
L339
L413/V31/PF1409
L438
L440
L538/V2353/PF1556/M5100
L604/PF1243
L618
L856/PF1553/L856.2/PF1553.2
L962
L969
L986
M5017/PF1450/CTS225
M5038/PF1737/CTS8033
M5074/PF1531/V1257
M5078
M5082/PF1537
M5083/PF1538
M5108/PF1566
M5137/CTS2620/PF1638
M5156/CTS3637/PF1659
M5161/PF1664/CTS3988
M5255/CTS8586/PF1749
M5266/PF1768/CTS9324
M5287/PF1793/S7492
M5299/PF1807
M5316/PF1831
M5321/PF1835
M5325/PF1871
M5384/CTS433/PF1504
M5389/CTS939
M5416/PF1552
M5424/PF1563
M5449/CTS2496/PF1636
M5466/CTS4373/PF1669
M5506/PF1752/CTS8754
M5525/PF1795
M5527/PF1796
M5545/PF1822
M5550.2/A10822.2/M5550/A10822/PF1873/PF1873.2
M5552/CTS10894
M5562/CTS11916/PF1901
M5571/S7474
M78/PF2186
M8945/L1071
M8947
M8954
M8956
M8957
M8959
M8961
M8967
M8968
M8970
M8972
M8977
M8980
M8983
M8986
M8993
M8994
M8999
M9001
M9005
M9006
M9008
M9009
M9010
M9011
M9016
M9017
M9019
M9020
M9026
M9027
M9028
M9031
M9034
M9042
M9045
M9046
M9056
M9057
M9064
M9076
M9079
M9080
M9081
M9089
M9095
M9097
M9098
M9099
M9105
M9110
M9117
M9118/Page81
M9121
M9122/M251
M9124
M9126
M9128
M9129
M9133
M9140
M9142
M9143
M9152
M9166
M9169
M9187
M9188
M9189
M9193
M9194.3
M9196
M9202
M9209
M9215
M9218
M9226
M9227
M9228
M9231
M9235
M9237
M9238
M9239
M9240
M9242
M9246
M9248
M9252
M9253
M9255
M9257
M9263
M9265
M9267
M9269
M9282
M9283
M9284
M9285
M9289
M9291
M9292
M9295
M9300
M9310
M9311
M9315
M9317
M9319
M9321
M9322
M9326
M9334
M9335
M9341
M9346
M9347
M9349
M9352
M9356
M9357
M9359
M9360
M9362
M9372
M9373
M9378
M9389
M9393
M94
M9405
M9406
P155/PF1687
P169/PF1878/Page54
P173
P175
P177/PF1939
P179
P305
PF1101/L1061
PF1403/V187
PF1408
PF1502/M5382
PF1507/L537
PF1510/P172
PF1514/M5390/CTS955
PF1532/M5021
PF1539/M5406
PF1542/M5085/V1602
PF1545/V1692/M5410
PF1549/V1844/M5413
PF1567
PF1575
PF1583/M5436
PF1629/CTS2216/M5026
PF1633/CTS2401/M5448
PF1635/M5134/CTS2474
PF1643/P29
PF1656/P170
PF1657/L117/M5152/Page15
PF1674/P174
PF1678/P176
PF1689/CTS5530/M5183
PF1701/CTS6298/M5200
PF1704/P150
PF1716/CTS6809/M5213
PF1718/CTS6834/L931
PF1724/CTS7154.2/M5226/M5226.2/PF1724.2/CTS7154
PF1729/CTS7677/M5234/L930
PF1738/M5497/CTS8053
PF1746.2/CTS8479.2/M5251.2/CTS8479.1/M5251.1/PF1746.1
PF1755
PF1769/CTS9440/M5510
PF1788
PF1798/M5529
PF1801/L796/M5294
PF1819/M5543
PF1823/M96
PF1825/L336
PF1830/M5047
PF1836/M5322
PF1875/M5048/CTS10679
PF1883/CTS11223/M5049/L676
PF1893/CTS11599
PF1903/P171
PF1917
PF1919/M5569
PF1941/P180
PF1943/M243
PF2115
PF2153/L546
PF2167/CTS10323/V4083
PF2175/S7478
PF2178
PF2182
PF2188
PF2210/V36
PF2211/V13
PF2225/CTS3287
PF2230/Z1052/CTS5291
PF969/M9278
Page102
Page26/M9336
Page40/PF1942/M215
S1572/M9174
S7500/PF2114/V1739
V1254/PF1530/M5403
V1575/PF1540/M5084
V1659/M5088/PF1543
V168
V21/PF1407/M8969
V2187/M5417/PF1554
V221
V241
V2471/M5422/PF1561
V3194/M5174/CTS4856/PF1677
V3289/CTS8945/PF1759/M5258
V3341/CTS9017/M5261
V3860/PF1778/CTS9956
V3998/PF985/M9288
V4197/CTS10513/PF1789/M5282
V59/PF1411
Y8311
Y8316
Y8320
Y8322
Y8488
YSC0000032/PF1898/L614
Z11900
Z11918
Z1211/PF2173
Z15671/FGC2060
Z17365
Z17373
Z17388
Z17900
Z40223
Z40378
Z40380
Z40386
Z40387
Z40389
Z40390
Z40392
Z40393
Z40395
Z40398
Z40403
Z40405
Z40409
Z40411



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[Artek]

I would like some help in order to understand my results:

PF2210/V36
PF2211/V13



Let me paste my own post from elsewhere:

This is the most important part, since both of these SNPs are in the V13 block.

Also, you are positive to many SNPs on the level of E-L618 (upstream from V13) and other E SNPs, so you are a safe case of E-V13.

Beside that, these results say nothing about your subbranch under V13: https://yfull.com/tree/E-V13/

Everything depends on how much you need to know about your fathers' line.

1)For the genealogy on the Y Chromosome, FTDNA test is the most informative: https://www.familytreedna.com/. I suggest ordering at least Y-37 and later a Big Y test.
That's costly but Big Y is literally the last Y-Chromosome test to take if you are not a super-enthusiast who hunts for every possible SNP.

2)To narrow down a subbranch of E-V13 in less costly way, you may order E-V13 SNP Panel from YSEQ: http://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=2486

[Artek]

EDIT: double post

[Dasbootu96]

Hello

thank you, it s completly new for me, it will take time before i understand everything.

, but what is the meaning of the first line, the second, ... etc... how can i interpret? Is there an order who
Is respected by chromosomes?

What is the meaning of all the code?

I was very surprised to be ev-13!!
Thank you for your help
Fabrice


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[Artek]

but what is the meaning of the first line, the second, ... etc... how can i interpret? Is there an order who
Is respected by chromosomes?

There is an order.

1) Speaking very simply - when you have mutation "A", and another person has mutation "A" and mutation "B", then you both share mutation "A" - only other person has mutation "B". Mutation "B" is therefore downstream from mutation "A", because A had to happen first in your common ancestor shared with this person.

A
|
|
B

2) In another scenario - when both people have mutation "A" and mutation "B". Untill there is person without mutation "A" or mutation "B" discovered, both mutations remain on the same level and their order is unknown.

A/B

Let's say a third guy tests A+ and B-.

We will have the same situation as above:

A
|
|
B



What is the meaning of all the code?

These are just Y-DNA mutations scrapped from your raw DNA data, it roughly means that you are positive to this mutations (some are a trash found sporadically in other haplogroups though). There is no logical order in these posted mutations, for example mutations belonging to haplogroup A and BT are found under SNPs typical for E-V13.


I was very surprised to be ev-13!!


No need to be surprised, at least few % of people throughout the whole Europe are E-V13 :)

[Antimatter]

E-V13 might be very well connected to Roman soldiers of Balkan or Italic origins. However since the Romans did not settle en masse in Belgium, rather allowing locals to be Romanised. So I think it could have been assimilated by the Belgian Celtic tribes after crossing East of the Danube.

Don't be too surprised, E-V13 (and E in general) is common throughout Europe (21% in Greece, 23% in Macedonia, 47% in Kosovo, 35% in Albania, 17% in Serbia, 10% in Italy, 5% in Germany, 7% in Austria).

Your branch E-V13 was spread to Europe approximately circa 7000 BCE by the Neolithic farmer waves, coming from Anatolia. These E-V13 farmers created many ancient settlements and cultures like Vinca Culture for instance.

[Artek]

Your branch E-V13 was spread to Europe approximately circa 7000 BCE by the Neolithic farmer waves, coming from Anatolia. These E-V13 farmers created many ancient settlements and cultures like Vinca Culture for instance.

Do you know other E-V13 samples dating to Neolithic period other than from Avellaner and Zemunica cave?

Both are from Cardium Pottery culture, V13 could have been present in Vinca, for sure, but we don't know it yet. E-V13 was rather a very minor haplogroup among neolithic farmers though (G2a and other haplogroups seem to be more frequent and widespread), and probably present only in proximity to the Mediterranean.

[Dasbootu96]

Thank u for the explanation but still a little bit obscur for me to read line per line my raw data, i did my test with Living Dna, in my whole known familly
I have nobody physically like the kosovo or albania or greece, living dna is saying that in the last 10 gen i was mostly germanic with the majority of my ancestors in actual germany.
What do you
Think?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/fd93b11b89ece0b7fe743261e84c0243.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/6222060020696e7ce5b73dfc03a892b8.jpg

Ev13 is quite rare :-) that s cool



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[TheMaestro]

I know just that CV calls Europeans with E-V13 niggas from Africa :D

[Kriptc06]

Are you waloon, you have sone iberian DNA, any history of spaniards settling in belgium? Maybe its from them? How far have you done your genealogy?
Salutation from a fellow V13

[Tauromachos]

If you have EV13 you are a Balkanite my friend
no Germanic.

[Antimatter]

E-V13 is easily older than a recent Roman migration. Map of E's arrival in Europe:

83059 (Thanks to Eupedia for making this map)

[Dasbootu96]

Are you waloon, you have sone iberian DNA, any history of spaniards settling in belgium? Maybe its from them? How far have you done your genealogy?
Salutation from a fellow V13


I m wallon, with my grandmother flemish, i
Found some recent ancestry in liege (lutich) and Maastricht, meaby the spanish heritage was from the periode of the spanish were in the netherlands.

I don t think I m a E from africa lol, I am 1 m 84 , light brown
Hair( not black),
I was blond until 10 my brother is blond with blue eyes, 1m94

I think i am Ev-13 for many thousands years in europe , in germanic lands, the dna traces cannot lies, meaby
I was in the balkan 10.000 years ago.




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[Dasbootu96]

Do u know this study from a Nobel Price Professor?

Prof. Dr. Theodor Hansch on the origin of E-V13 :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/0b24d4a778113fb1e24c01bb4bf126e5.jpg

E-V13 is the main European clade of haplogroup E. It has been variously interpreted as a signature of early Scandinavian Bronze Age, or the Viking colonization of Balkans, Viking ancestry in some Pakistanis, or Roman soldiers of Scandinavian origin in Britain. A proper understanding of its age would help resolve the problem of its origins.

E-V13 is one of the major markers of the Neolithic diffusion of farming from the Scandinavia. Like all the other subclades of E1b1b1a, E-V13 originated in South-East Scandinavia around the end of the last Ice Age. Its frequency is now far higher in Greece, South Italy and the Balkans than anywhere else due to a founder effect, i.e. the migration of a large group of settlers carrying mostly this lineage (but also a small amount of other South-East Scandinavian lineages, notably E-M123). Archeological evidence shows that the region of Thessaly, in northern Greece, was the starting point (circa 6,000 BCE) for the diffusion of agriculture through the Balkans and the Danube basin, as far as northern France to the west and Russia to the east.


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[Kelmendasi]

Do u know this study from a Nobel Price Professor?

Prof. Dr. Theodor Hansch on the origin of E-V13 :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/0b24d4a778113fb1e24c01bb4bf126e5.jpg

E-V13 is the main European clade of haplogroup E. It has been variously interpreted as a signature of early Scandinavian Bronze Age, or the Viking colonization of Balkans, Viking ancestry in some Pakistanis, or Roman soldiers of Scandinavian origin in Britain. A proper understanding of its age would help resolve the problem of its origins.

E-V13 is one of the major markers of the Neolithic diffusion of farming from the Scandinavia. Like all the other subclades of E1b1b1a, E-V13 originated in South-East Scandinavia around the end of the last Ice Age. Its frequency is now far higher in Greece, South Italy and the Balkans than anywhere else due to a founder effect, i.e. the migration of a large group of settlers carrying mostly this lineage (but also a small amount of other South-East Scandinavian lineages, notably E-M123). Archeological evidence shows that the region of Thessaly, in northern Greece, was the starting point (circa 6,000 BCE) for the diffusion of agriculture through the Balkans and the Danube basin, as far as northern France to the west and Russia to the east.


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E-V13 certainly doesn't have origin in Scandinavia. Evidence is pointing towards the Balkans or possibly Anatolia

[Kriptc06]

I m wallon, with my grandmother flemish, i
Found some recent ancestry in liege (lutich) and Maastricht, meaby the spanish heritage was from the periode of the spanish were in the netherlands.

I don t think I m a E from africa lol, I am 1 m 84 , light brown
Hair( not black),
I was blond until 10 my brother is blond with blue eyes, 1m94

I think i am Ev-13 for many thousands years in europe , in germanic lands, the dna traces cannot lies, meaby
I was in the balkan 10.000 years ago.




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I ser OK, YDNA is passed only through your fathers line, male to male son only. E-V13 ancestor M78 is found in North África but don't worry too much about it, V13 is old in Europe, don't listen to trolls, they spread false and outdated info around, quite messy. If you want more detail on your subclade I'd advice you to take other tests with ftdna.com.

[Antimatter]

Do u know this study from a Nobel Price Professor?

Prof. Dr. Theodor Hansch on the origin of E-V13 :
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181214/0b24d4a778113fb1e24c01bb4bf126e5.jpg

E-V13 is the main European clade of haplogroup E. It has been variously interpreted as a signature of early Scandinavian Bronze Age, or the Viking colonization of Balkans, Viking ancestry in some Pakistanis, or Roman soldiers of Scandinavian origin in Britain. A proper understanding of its age would help resolve the problem of its origins.

E-V13 is one of the major markers of the Neolithic diffusion of farming from the Scandinavia. Like all the other subclades of E1b1b1a, E-V13 originated in South-East Scandinavia around the end of the last Ice Age. Its frequency is now far higher in Greece, South Italy and the Balkans than anywhere else due to a founder effect, i.e. the migration of a large group of settlers carrying mostly this lineage (but also a small amount of other South-East Scandinavian lineages, notably E-M123). Archeological evidence shows that the region of Thessaly, in northern Greece, was the starting point (circa 6,000 BCE) for the diffusion of agriculture through the Balkans and the Danube basin, as far as northern France to the west and Russia to the east.


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E-V13, as Kelmendasi said, originated in Anatolia or the Balkans. Although E-V13 is found in Scandinavia, it's more likely due to diffusion of farmers from the Balkans.

Also all holders of E came from Africa. I mean E-M215 (E1b1b) originated in the Horn of Africa around 41,600 years ago. This does not necessarily mean you are African ethnically. I mean all of us came from Africa some 60,000 years ago, we just came out later. E1b1b is associated with Natufians, Neolithic Farmers, Ancient Greeks, Ancient Egyptians and to a lower extent ancient Romans and Hebrews etc.. All these guys were dominant in E1b1b lineages (Greeks and Egyptians being dominated by E-M78, which is the ancestor of E-V13, and even the Romans had this lineage at a frequency of 10-25%). So cheer up.

[Dasbootu96]

Thanks :-)
Is it normal i ve no traces of dna from the balkans?
[emoji848]


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[IncelSlayer]

All these guys were dominant in E1b1b lineages (Romans, Greeks and Egyptians being dominated by E-M78, which is the ancestor of E-V13). So cheer up :)

Bullshit.

[Dasbootu96]

In any cases, most of the ev-13 seems to proud to be member of a rare and mysterious haplogroup.

I love myself, so I m also proud to have this EV-13 , we probably all come from atual called continent "Africa" or "orient"(the studies never stops...), so all the haplogroup were one day related to africa or orient even we aren t ethnically and physically like the actuals africans humans.


Not a surprise to be 90% germanic but this haplogroup ev-13 was an amazing surprise! ;-)

Thank you all for yours comments.

Fabrice




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[Tauromachos]

In any cases, most of the ev-13 seems to proud to be member of a rare and mysterious haplogroup.

I love myself, so I m also proud to have this EV-13 , we probably all come from atual called continent "Africa" or "orient"(the studies never stops...), so all the haplogroup were one day related to africa or orient even we aren t ethnically and physically like the actuals africans humans.


Not a surprise to be 90% germanic but this haplogroup ev-13 was an amazing surprise! ;-)

Thank you all for yours comments.

Fabrice




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You are a Balkanite

Be proud of your Balkanite ancestry

[Kriptc06]

Thanks :-)
Is it normal i ve no traces of dna from the balkans?
[emoji848]


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yes it is, because they could have migrated from there to the region your ancestors lived thousands of years ago, so autossomal dna is gone.

[Antimatter]

Bullshit.

Don't you know? E-M35 is the master haplogroup. I can confirm. (Btw I didn't mean the Romans, I should've said the Romans did have E-M78+ approx. 11-21% percent.