Quevedo in English

[Amapola]

How to insult a Jew:

A un hombre de gran nariz

Erase un hombre a una nariz pegado,
érase una nariz superlativa,
érase una alquitara medio viva,
érase un peje espada mal barbado;

era un reloj de sol mal encarado,
érase un elefante boca arriba,
érase una nariz sayón y escriba,
un Ovidio Nasón mal narigado.

Erase el espolón de una galera,
érase una pirámide de Egito,
las doce tribus de narices era;

érase un naricísimo infinito
frisón archinariz, caratulera,
sabañón garrafal, morado y frito.

Otra versión (posiblemente la original)
del terceto final:

érase un naricísimo infinito,
muchísimo nariz, nariz tan fiera,
que en la cara de Anás fuera delito.


To a man with a big nose

Once there was a man stuck to a nose,
it was a nose more marvellous than weird,
it was a nearly living web of tubes,
it was a swordfish with an awful beard,

it was a sundial doomed to face the shade,
an elephant that looked up to the sky,
it was a nose of hangman and of scribe,
Ovidius Naso nostrilled all awry,

it was the bowsprit of a mighty ship,
like Egypt's pyramid it pierced the sky,
it was of noses all of the twelve tribes;

it was in noseness truly infinite,
an archnose shudder, and a frightening mask,
a monstrous chilblain, purpley and fried.

Translation of the alternate final tercet
(possibly the original):

it was in noseness truly infinite,
an awful lot of nose, a nose so fierce
that on Annas's face would be a crime.

[Cato]

OY VEY!

[Amapola]

Black Wedding

bout three days ago on the steps of Saint Peter’s I saw a dusky wedding, ill starred because it was all Black [everyone involved was Black].

It looked like a marriage contracted in Hell, black the husband, black the wife, black the guests.

I suspect that lying down their two bodies, next to each other, will look like cotton bolls and an inkwell.

The street on which they returned [from church] was drowning in sneezes, because a wedding like that [is most peppery].

They walked hand in hand like two crows, or two rooks, because they stink like that.

The bride was painted with soot, coal, and hat dye.

They were so poor that not one bright coin could be found among them, and they were marrying off this dark-skinned man in order to produce a cornado [coin of small value / little worth, made of 3 parts copper to 1 part silver].

The got to the black patio, where the black room is located, where the black wedding was to take black effect.

It was a stable and nobody could relax, as itching fleas burned them, because they were excitable or were dogs.

They sat down at the table, set with black cloth and plates, black soup and black food.

They were blessed by a man made of black broadcloath, with a face of jet and velvet hands.

They were given red [colored] wine and bread that was somewhere between mulatto and black; there was meat well cooked in the ashes, as those eating were sticks of charcoal.

There were [pork] lips on the table, and on the hosts’ mouths, and black mold, since the whole wedding was moldy so far as I can tell.

Black pudding was served, and some guests did not eat it for fear that they would be eating themselves.

Similarly, when in the attempt to bite into the sautéed entrails a finger got munched, it was because the only difference beetween entrail and finger was the nail.

But when the bacon arrived they rejoiced, and the filthy[dark] men and women were tender for a while.

[They finished eating, and a minister from Guinea came in to wash their hands with a coconut shell and a cauldron.]

[As a towel he brought on his shoulder the cleaning cloths from a funeral. They washed, and the water got dark enough to dirty an entire kingdom.]

[Black pieces sat down on black seats, and black voices sang blackened lines.]

Black is the luck of the groom whose bride is Black and her dowry, blank.

[Raikaswinþs]

Quevedo cant be forced into english. Teach'em boys to speak in Cristiano.

Jews bashing wasn't my favourite Quevedian trait. Specially since Judaism was present in Spain much before Christianity, and kicking the Spanish Jews out was one of the worst ideas that they could have had. A treason their own countrymen in the name of yet another Levantine cult imposed by foreign hands

Anyway, Quevedo was a man of his time. And what a man!! Probably my favourite ever poet, and a sword that pierced so many holes, only surpassed by his Pluma

[Comte Arnau]

I shouldn't like him, because he was a Catalanophobe. But hell, he wrote well. Some of his poems and El Buscón are certainly masterpieces of Castilian literature.

[Raikaswinþs]

I shouldn't like him, because he was a Catalanophobe. But hell, he wrote well. Some of his poems and El Buscón are certainly masterpieces of Castilian literature.



te importa darme algunas fuentes sobre esto? algunas citas suyas o algun texto en el que hable de Catalunya o los Catalanes? Esque nunca he leido nada suyo en el que mencione a tu terrunyo .

[antonio]

I shouldn't like him, because he was a Catalanophobe. But hell, he wrote well. Some of his poems and El Buscón are certainly masterpieces of Castilian literature.

Quevedo seems had been not much fund of nothing outside his own mental "borders", probably he was a a "difficult" person. I bet, at our days, he had been long ago burned by politicians and mass-media. :D

[Comte Arnau]

te importa darme algunas fuentes sobre esto? algunas citas suyas o algun texto en el que hable de Catalunya o los Catalanes? Esque nunca he leido nada suyo en el que mencione a tu terrunyo .

En el Buscón:


"El catalán es la criatura más triste y miserable que Diós crió"

"Son los catalanes el ladrón de tres manos”.

Otras:

“En tanto que en Cataluña quedase algun solo catalán, y piedras en los campos desiertos, hemos de tener enemigo y guerra”.

“Son los catalanes aborto monstruoso de la política. Libres con señor; por esto el Conde de Barcelona no es dignidad, sino vocablo y voz desnuda. Tienen príncipe como el cuerpo alma para vivir; y como éste alega contra la razón apetitos y vicios, aquellos contra la razón de su señor alegan privilegios y fueros”.

Y demás perlas.

Fue uno de los principales instigadores del anticatalanismo, como fiel al Conde Olivares que era. Probablemente de los primeros en sembrar escuela. Hay que pensar que Quevedo es contemporáneo del único momento en que Cataluña como tal se hacía independiente, en 1641.

[antonio]

En el Buscón:


"El catalán es la criatura más triste y miserable que Diós crió"

"Son los catalanes el ladrón de tres manos”.

Otras:

“En tanto que en Cataluña quedase algun solo catalán, y piedras en los campos desiertos, hemos de tener enemigo y guerra”.

“Son los catalanes aborto monstruoso de la política. Libres con señor; por esto el Conde de Barcelona no es dignidad, sino vocablo y voz desnuda. Tienen príncipe como el cuerpo alma para vivir; y como éste alega contra la razón apetitos y vicios, aquellos contra la razón de su señor alegan privilegios y fueros”.

Y demás perlas.

Fue uno de los principales instigadores del anticatalanismo, como fiel al Conde Olivares que era. Probablemente de los primeros en sembrar escuela. Hay que pensar que Quevedo es contemporáneo del único momento en que Cataluña como tal se hacía independiente, en 1641.

But that's simply a political matter. He was probably outraged because the decisions obeyed in Castille kingdom without objections based on kingdom laws (maybe because they were conceived taking into account them), there were, at Aragon kingdom, disputed on different laws. As simply as this: he was a supporter of a wannabe absolutist king against one of his kingdom legal system supporters...just remember Aragon alterations during Philip II. And Catalonian were probably a label to address all the subdits of the kingdoms of the old Aragon Crown.

[Comte Arnau]

But that's simply a political matter. He was probably outraged because the decisions obeyed in Castille kingdom without objections based on kingdom laws (maybe because they were conceived taking into account them), there were, at Aragon kingdom, disputed on different laws. As simply as this: he was a supporter of a wannabe absolutist king against one of his kingdom legal system supporters...just remember Aragon alterations during Philip II. And Catalonian were probably a label to address all the subdits of the kingdoms of the old Aragon Crown.

That's a supposition. But even if true, does the fact that there might have been a political intention behind make it any less Catalanophobic? No. Quevedo was not the only one, of course, just one of many which used his pen much better than his sword, campaigning against anything Catalan with all the defamatory intention possible. Just like quite a few journalists do nowadays in several media. Some things simply don't change.

[Amapola]

En el Buscón:


"El catalán es la criatura más triste y miserable que Diós crió"

"Son los catalanes el ladrón de tres manos”.

Otras:

“En tanto que en Cataluña quedase algun solo catalán, y piedras en los campos desiertos, hemos de tener enemigo y guerra”.

“Son los catalanes aborto monstruoso de la política. Libres con señor; por esto el Conde de Barcelona no es dignidad, sino vocablo y voz desnuda. Tienen príncipe como el cuerpo alma para vivir; y como éste alega contra la razón apetitos y vicios, aquellos contra la razón de su señor alegan privilegios y fueros”.

Y demás perlas.

Fue uno de los principales instigadores del anticatalanismo, como fiel al Conde Olivares que era. Probablemente de los primeros en sembrar escuela. Hay que pensar que Quevedo es contemporáneo del único momento en que Cataluña como tal se hacía independiente, en 1641.

Podemos encontrar perlas parecidas contra las mujeres, judíos, etc pero me atrevo a decir contra cualquier etnicidad española. De hecho, todo es ponerse a buscarlo... seguro que ha escrito perlas contra ciertas personas relacionadas con la realeza madrileña. Y sigue contando...

[antonio]

Sí, todos podríamos tener motivos más que sobrados para ir contra Quevedo. :D

Es más yo creo que escritores como Pérez Reverte (como antes Cela o Umbral) han intentado, consciente o inconscientemente, asumir su rol en la sociedad actual. Y me parece bien, de dedicarme a ello probablemente sería el que yo también intentara. No sé ,me siento más dotado dialecticamente para la crítica destructiva que para géneros y discursos más edificantes...igual es una cuestión de carácter y es lo que me sale de manera más natural.:D

[Lábaru]

Ya hemos enfocado otro hilo hacia lo mismo por culpa de la hipersensibilidad obsesiva catalana del mismo de siempre, Quevedo era un genio y era crítico y agresivo, no hay más.

[Adolfito Bonifaz]

¿Quevedo anticatalán?

¿Seguro?

http://www.histocat.cat/?msgOrigen=75&CODART=ART00280

Al Buscón com aquesta que diu: El catalán era la criatura más triste y miserable que diós crió, ara bé segons alguns crítics quan escriu "el catalán" no es refereix a un ús en abstracte o col·lectiu ("els catalans") sinó en concret a un personatge específic de l'obra, que era català i que era molt trist.

Más bien estaba en contra de la política catalana de la época. Si alguna vez dijo algo en contra de los catalanes fue más por fidelidad al Conde-Duque de Olivares que por catalanofobia.