Uralic and Russian admixture in Poland

[Bogdan]

Does anyone know how prevalent Uralic admixture is specifically in the country of Poland? How large are these minority groups there, or how much Russian admixture is in the average Polish citizen?

My Polish blood is mostly from Podlaskie Voivodeship. “Podlaskie is the coldest region of Poland, located in the very northeast of the country near the border with Belarus and Lithuania.” “Podlaskie is the land of the confluence of cultures – Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian – and is indicative of the ethnic territories limits. Eastward of Podlaskie lie historic Polish lands, which are now part of Ukraine and Belarus and Lithuania. Today, mainly Polish and Ruthenian (Ukrainian and Belarusian) are spoken in Podlaskie, while Lithuanian is preserved by the small but compact Lithuanian minority concentrated in the Sejny County.” (Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podlaskie_Voivodeship)

[Profileid]

how do you even measure uralic admix?

[Bogdan]

how do you even measure uralic admix?

I’m not looking for a specific number. I’m just interested how common the mixing is within Poland and how many Russians mixed with Poles. From what I understand Uralic mixture is frequent in some Russians.

[Profileid]

I’m not looking for a specific number. I’m just interested how common the mixing is within Poland and how many Russians mixed with Poles. From what I understand Uralic mixture is frequent in some Russians.

So they'd be Uralic admixed by proxy. Interesting question but I imagine it will be impossible to get a good answer.Maybe you could find Russian surnames in Polish family trees?

[Bogdan]

So they'd be Uralic admixed by proxy. Interesting question but I imagine it will be impossible to get a good answer.Maybe you could find Russian surnames in Polish family trees?

I might do the research myself over time.

There is the surname Konopko far back in my family tree on the Polish line and I’m currently unsure of this ancestor’s origin. “-ko: Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Belarus, also in Russia.” (Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_name_suffixes)

[Bogdan]

So they'd be Uralic admixed by proxy. Interesting question but I imagine it will be impossible to get a good answer.Maybe you could find Russian surnames in Polish family trees?

Most likely this ancestor was also Polish or Ukrainian. I still have to trace the lineage of my Slovak family who carried some strong features. This has proved more difficult but I am working on it.

[Artek]

Russian admixture in ~98% of Poles is non-existent, since Russians were not settling Poland with their people (what Germans did), most of Russians in pre-WWI parts of Poland were soldiers, policemen or various other officials and most of them were evacuated when Poland was seized. I think that the strongest barrier was a religion.

I know just few people with Russian surnames though (Timofeev/Timofiejew, Artamonov/Artamonow), but that's not even 1% of individuals I know.

Other thing is admixture from other Eastern Slavic people (like Ruthenians or from Lithuanians - that's the case mostly for deportees from former Eastern Poland and other parts of former USSR. Such Eastern Poles were settled in what is now Western Poland - mostly in Lower Silesia, Western Pomerania, Lubusz Land.

[Ülev]

People from so called "Recovered Territories" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovered_Territories) can be far from being Polish.
Marx & Engels stated that to introduce new political, economical and/or social system there is a need to destroy (kill) up to 10% of society. With 1945 communism came, war did one thing, but to perpetuate new rules Poland got Stalin's compatriots which knew communism for about 30 years already.
When I watch videos from the deepest inside Russia - Bashkortostan or Saransk I see faces similar to "Poles from Lubuskie" but uncommon in Częstochowa area for example.

That could be also the reason of post-war demographic boom in Poland.

[Leto]

There was barely any migration from modern-day Russia to Poland, so I don't think you may have anything significant. And Ukraine and Belarus don't have much Uralic admixture either.

[Artek]

When I watch videos from the deepest inside Russia - Bashkortostan or Saransk I see faces similar to "Poles from Lubuskie" but uncommon in Częstochowa area for example.



I didn't recall people from Recovered Territories as so eastern looking, there was an influx from "Old Poland" (Central Poland, Greater Poland) to that areas that lowered its "easternness".

However, they are on average more eastern-looking than people from (for example) neighbouring Greater Poland where most of population is autochtonous. Many Poles from Lower Silesia with southeastern roots (Podole) also look surprisingly darkish but that also often applies to autochtons from Upper Silesia who are more north-western genetically.

[Resident Guest]

I wonder if we (Sorbs) have any Uralic admixture?

[Artek]

I wonder if we (Sorbs) have any Uralic admixture?
From what I recall, unadmixed Sorbs were genetically almost like Central Poles, so you don't have such Uralic admix.

[Not a Cop]

I didn't recall people from Recovered Territories as so eastern looking, there was an influx from "Old Poland" (Central Poland, Greater Poland) to that areas that lowered its "easternness".

However, they are on average more eastern-looking than people from (for example) neighbouring Greater Poland where most of population is autochtonous. Many Poles from Lower Silesia with southeastern roots (Podole) also look surprisingly darkish but that also often applies to autochtons from Upper Silesia who are more north-western genetically.

Have you seen any results of thoose resettlers?

[Lucas]

Have you seen any results of thoose resettlers?

If we talk about autosomal genetics, certainly not. There weren't large scale inverestigations reagrding them. But now is starting Genomic Map of Poland project. They want to test 5000 people from all over the country so I hope we will have Polish regions tested soon.

[Artek]

Have you seen any results of thoose resettlers?

Only single autosomal results and most were genetically like Western Ukrainians, maybe LukaszM has some results of such people somewhere.