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Sikeliot
12-17-2018, 10:48 PM
Basque_Spanish

PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,27.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,18.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,15.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,14.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,10.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,6.2
CZECH-EBA,0.8

Portuguese

BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,21
LEVANT,18.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,17.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,17
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,9.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,2
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
HUNS,0.4

Italian_Bergamo

MINOAN,23.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,20.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,14.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,11.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
STEPPE-WEST,5
CZECH-EBA,4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,3.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3
LEVANT,2.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4

Italian_Tuscan

MINOAN,26
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.2
LEVANT,10
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,9.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,6.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,5.8
STEPPE-WEST,5.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,4.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3.6
ARMENIA-EBA,3.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,3
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.6

Italian_South

LEVANT,20.8
MINOAN,18.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,16.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,14.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,7.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,6.6
ARMENIA-EBA,5.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,5.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Sicilian_West (Trapani)

LEVANT,24.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,15.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,15.2
MINOAN,14.2
ARMENIA-EBA,5.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,5.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,4.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,2.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,1.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.2
CZECH-EBA,0.8

Sicilian_East

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,30
LEVANT,23.6
MINOAN,19.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,8.6
ARMENIA-EBA,6.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2

Croatian

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,33.6
MINOAN,26.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,18.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,16.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.6
LEVANT,2.6
HUNS,0.2

Serbian

MINOAN,30.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,25
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,22.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,13.2
LEVANT,6.6
STEPPE,1.6
ARMENIA-EBA,0.2
HUNS,0.2

Bulgarian

MINOAN,33.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,26
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,17.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,10.2
ARMENIA-EBA,5.4
LEVANT,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
HUNS,1.2


Greek

MINOAN,41.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,20
LEVANT,11
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,8.4
ARMENIA-EBA,4.8
STEPPE,3.4
HUNS,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

Greek_Crete

MINOAN,30.6
LEVANT,23.4
ARMENIA-EBA,20.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,14.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,5.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,3.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2

Turkish_Istanbul

ARMENIA-EBA,21.8
MINOAN,21.4
LEVANT,14.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,7.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,4.8
HUNS,4.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,4.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,2.4
TUNGUS,1.6
URAL-SIBERIA,1.2
STEPPE,0.8

Mycenaean

MINOAN,49.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,25.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,9
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,4.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.8
ARMENIA-EBA,1
TUNGUS,1

kleenex
12-17-2018, 10:53 PM
Who is running this calculator? Who do we send raw data to? Thanks

Sikeliot
12-17-2018, 10:55 PM
Who is running this calculator? Who do we send raw data to? Thanks

Go here:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16087-G25-ancient-2500-BCE-2000-BCE-calculator

Sikeliot
12-17-2018, 11:01 PM
Here is Bell Beaker Sicilian.

Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe

MINOAN,41.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,25.6
ARMENIA-EBA,16.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,15
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8

kleenex
12-17-2018, 11:04 PM
How is it that the Greek is so much higher Minoan than Cretan? I don't understand the discrepancy in the Baltic either seems pretty extreme. Wonder where Greek sample is from?

Sikeliot
12-17-2018, 11:09 PM
How is it that the Greek is so much higher Minoan than Cretan? I don't understand the discrepancy in the Baltic either seems pretty extreme. Wonder where Greek sample is from?

Cretans have very little Slavic input, or at least this average does.

But it looks to me like I suspected -- Sicilians and Cretans are not, in fact, more Minoan/Mycenaean than mainland Greeks unlike what is currently believed by many, they are simply more "southern" plotting because they lack Slavic and have high Levantine.

nightrider+
12-17-2018, 11:17 PM
Cretans have very little Slavic input, or at least this average does.

But it looks to me like I suspected -- Sicilians and Cretans are not, in fact, more Minoan/Mycenaean than mainland Greeks unlike what is currently believed by many, they are simply more "southern" plotting because they lack Slavic and have high Levantine.You can't take this crap so seriously. Portugal 18% Levant? Mycenaeans only half Minoan?

Sikeliot
12-17-2018, 11:19 PM
You can't take this crap so seriously. Portugal 18% Levant? Mycenaeans only half Minoan?

Anatolia_EBA might substitute for Minoan. And as far as Portugal, it looks like that much of North African may be sucked into Levant.

Coolguy1
12-17-2018, 11:25 PM
Lol these fits make no sense. I can make a calculator from G25 and make it say whatever I want.

Dick
12-17-2018, 11:43 PM
It's ancient 2500 BCE - 2000 BCE calculator. Mine:



"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
5.353598
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.398987
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
5.399526
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
5.505497
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.527639
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
5.708373
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.724539
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
5.788534

[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"

[1] "distance%=2.3893"



BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,54.6
MINOAN,15
LEVANT,12.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,7
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5
ARMENIA-EBA,4.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,1.4
HUNS,0.4


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"

[1] "distance%=3.0023"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,82.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5.8
LEVANT,4
ARMENIA-EBA,2.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
MINOAN,1.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.6

Aren
12-17-2018, 11:48 PM
Lol these fits make no sense. I can make a calculator from G25 and make it say whatever I want.

There are so many samples in this run that are similar so it will create a lot of weird overfitted results.

Dick
12-17-2018, 11:49 PM
There are so many samples in this run that are similar so it will create a lot of weird overfitted results.

it's just for fun.

karakartal
12-18-2018, 12:02 AM
Balkan Turk;

"distance%=1.5726"

karakartal_scaled

MINOAN,27
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,14.8
LEVANT,13.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,12.2
STEPPE,12
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.4
TUNGUS,3.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,1.2
URAL-SIBERIA,0.8
ARMENIA-EBA,0.4

Thank you for your help Dick

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 12:09 AM
You can't take this crap so seriously. Portugal 18% Levant? Mycenaeans only half Minoan?

look how different results I get with pen=0 and pen=0.001. All the results above in Sikeliot's post are with pen=0

nMonte3

my result with pen=0:
[1] "distance%=3.3702"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,54.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,17.8
MINOAN,13.8
STEPPE,8.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,2
HUNS,1.2

with default pen=0.001:

[1] "distance%=4.0915"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,61.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,22
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,10.2
CZECH-EBA,1.8
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,1.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
TUNGUS,0.6
URAL-SIBERIA,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
HUNS,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

Sebastianus Rex
12-18-2018, 12:10 AM
You can't take this crap so seriously. Portugal 18% Levant? Mycenaeans only half Minoan?

I found that strange also, but given that many historians sustain that Lisbon might have been founded by Phoenicians around 1200BC who knows...only time and more developed methodologies will tell if this is plausible or not.

Dick
12-18-2018, 12:13 AM
look how different results I get with pen=0 and pen=0.001. All the results above in Sikeliot's post are with pen=0

nMonte3

my result with pen=0:
[1] "distance%=3.3702"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,54.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,17.8
MINOAN,13.8
STEPPE,8.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,2
HUNS,1.2

with default pen=0.001:

[1] "distance%=4.0915"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,61.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,22
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,10.2
CZECH-EBA,1.8
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,1.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
TUNGUS,0.6
URAL-SIBERIA,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
HUNS,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

Unscaled would give different results also and possibly closer fits too

nightrider+
12-18-2018, 12:13 AM
I found that strange also, but given that many historians sustain that Lisbon might have been founded by Phoenicians around 1200BC who knows...only time and more developed methodologies will tell if this is plausible or not.

There is probably some sw asian in portugal but 18% is too much, unless there is no north african sample which seems to be the case here.

Sikeliot
12-18-2018, 12:19 AM
There is probably some sw asian in portugal but 18% is too much, unless there is no north african sample which seems to be the case here.

I wonder if some North African is being sucked into the Levant category. Trapani scoring 25% Levant for instance might be absorbing some North African, too.

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 12:36 AM
You can't take this crap so seriously. Portugal 18% Levant? Mycenaeans only half Minoan?

I tested the second Mycenaean sample from Davidski datasheet here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FSzKKknFGcOgfyA76q9PD7B-n-MJs7L8/view

Mycenaean:I9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017 235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113

with pen=0
[1] "distance%=2.2965"

MINOAN,61.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,19.4
LEVANT,8.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.8
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,1.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
TUNGUS,0.8

with pen=0.001
[1] "distance%=2.8163"

MINOAN,61
LEVANT,10.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,6.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,5
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,3.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

Sebastianus Rex
12-18-2018, 12:47 AM
There is probably some sw asian in portugal but 18% is too much, unless there is no north african sample which seems to be the case here.


I wonder if some North African is being sucked into the Levant category. Trapani scoring 25% Levant for instance might be absorbing some North African, too.

Yes, that's probably the case. Anyway, that could be because ancient north-african and ancient Levant are somewhat similar/gentically close...

Kelmendasi
12-18-2018, 04:13 PM
Mine:
Fit - 1.5141
Minoan - 47.2
Corded-Ware Baltic - 13.8
Beakers Central European - 13
Corded-Ware Germany - 11.2
Beakers Hungary - 10
Armenia-EBA - 2.8
Levant - 1.2
Central Asia - 0.8

Also I'm confused on if the penalty should be set to 0.001 or just 0.000? The online nMonte runner puts the default at 0.001 so I just use that. Results seem to have been run at a pen of 0

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 09:41 PM
What does that Minoan means? What was the reference to determine "Minoan"

nightrider+
12-18-2018, 09:47 PM
What does that Minoan means? What was the reference to determine "Minoan"

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318862250_Genetic_origins_of_the_Minoans_and_Mycen aeans

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 09:50 PM
Mine:
Fit - 1.5141
Minoan - 47.2
Corded-Ware Baltic - 13.8
Beakers Central European - 13
Corded-Ware Germany - 11.2
Beakers Hungary - 10
Armenia-EBA - 2.8
Levant - 1.2
Central Asia - 0.8

Also I'm confused on if the penalty should be set to 0.001 or just 0.000? The online nMonte runner puts the default at 0.001 so I just use that.

You Albanians really do have insane amount of Minoan, amazing. A group of people who are speaking unknown language being Greeks more than Greeks.

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:00 PM
Serbs and Bulgarians having more Minoan than Italians, Portuguese is the biggest surprise of all these results

Serbs = Minoans, Celts, Balts (we can safely assume Thracian connection) = Romans.

Direct descendants of Roman people on Balkans are Serbs, Bulgarians while Greeks and Albanians are basically Greeks.

Turks clearly mix of Armenians, Greeks, Levant and Turks.

Sikeliot
12-18-2018, 10:02 PM
Serbs and Bulgarians having more Minoan than Italians, Portuguese is the biggest surprise of all these results

Serbs = Minoans, Celts, Balts (we can safely assume Thracian connection) = Romans.

Direct descendants of Roman people on Balkans are Serbs, Bulgarians while Greeks and Albanians are basically Greeks.

Turks clearly mix of Armenians, Greeks, Levant and Turks.


What do you make of it modeling Sicilians as more Levantine than Minoan?

Dick
12-18-2018, 10:02 PM
Serbs and Bulgarians having more Minoan than Italians, Portuguese is the biggest surprise of all these results

Serbs = Minoans, Celts, Balts (we can safely assume Thracian connection) = Romans.


or Celto-Illyrians. Do you think it makes sense, doctor?

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:07 PM
or Celto-Illyrians. Do you think it makes sense, doctor?

Herodotus said that Illyrians and Celts are two group of people descended from two brothers. (authentic narration) So I don't see why would Celtic differ from Illyrian
Illyrians were just a variant of Celts like ... Gaelic people in Scotland for example.

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:15 PM
What do you make of it modeling Sicilians as more Levantine than Minoan?

Levantine is problematic. Both Syrian Arabs and Syrians, Assyrians and Arabized Syrians have been declared "levantine"

I bet it even absorbed Northern Africa which is extremely mixed as well.

Levantine should be clarified.

Dick
12-18-2018, 10:15 PM
Herodotus said that Illyrians and Celts are two group of people descended from two brothers. (authentic narration) So I don't see why would Celtic differ from Illyrian
Illyrians were just a variant of Celts like ... Gaelic people in Scotland for example.

The Gaels mixed with indigenous Doggerlanders. Celtiberians were mixed with native Iberians etc.

celticdragongod
12-18-2018, 10:17 PM
Sorry posted in wrong place.

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:18 PM
The Gaels mixed with indigenous Doggerlanders. Celtiberians were mixed with native Iberians etc.

Well Illyrians mixed with Greeks and Thracians and that's what Serbs are.

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:27 PM
https://youtu.be/ISHT-Tc7IPI

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 10:32 PM
You Albanians really do have insane amount of Minoan, amazing. A group of people who are speaking unknown language being Greeks more than Greeks.

nope. I just tested 7 Albanian reference samples with pen=0.001 from Davidski datasheet and here are their results:

Albanian:ALB191

[1] "distance%=3.5838"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,72
LEVANT,6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5.8
MINOAN,5.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.6
ARMENIA-EBA,2
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

Albanian:ALB202

[1] "distance%=2.712"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,68.6
MINOAN,6.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,5.4
LEVANT,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.2
ARMENIA-EBA,2.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,2.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
HUNS,0.2


Albanian:ALB212


[1] "distance%=2.9505"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,61.6
MINOAN,15.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,4.4
LEVANT,4.4
ARMENIA-EBA,2.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.6
CZECH-EBA,0.2


Albanian:ALB213


[1] "distance%=2.5206"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,70.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8
LEVANT,7.4
MINOAN,4.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,4
ARMENIA-EBA,1.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2


Albanian:ALB220


[1] "distance%=3.0465"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,61.4
MINOAN,11
ANATOLIA_EBA,8.6
LEVANT,6.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5.2
ARMENIA-EBA,2.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2


Albanian:ALB230


[1] "distance%=2.6595"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,67.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,11.8
LEVANT,8.8
MINOAN,4.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.6
ARMENIA-EBA,1
CZECH-EBA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2


Albanian:S_Albanian-1


[1] "distance%=3.235"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,70.4
MINOAN,12.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,5
LEVANT,5
ARMENIA-EBA,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:39 PM
....

Kelimendasi has 40+ while yours are very different... something isn't right... what do you think.

Dick
12-18-2018, 10:43 PM
nope. I just tested 7 Albanian reference samples with pen=0.001 from Davidski datasheet and here are their results:



Post their pen=0. The distance will be closer.

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 10:49 PM
Kelimendasi has 40+ while yours are very different... something isn't right... what do you think.

I tested a few Greeks now and they score Minoan just like Albanian references, values 6-12, some even lower

Bosniensis
12-18-2018, 10:51 PM
I tested a few Greeks now and they score Minoan just like Albanian references, values 6-12, some even lower

You are doing it wrong then, put different pen=

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 10:57 PM
You are doing it wrong then, put different pen=

With pen=0 I score Minoan=13.8, which is nonsense imo.

Dick
12-18-2018, 10:59 PM
You are doing it wrong then, put different pen=

Here is Albanian average from Davidski's spreadsheet with pen=0


"distance%=1.4158"

Albanian

MINOAN,49.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,20.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,17.8
LEVANT,5
ARMENIA-EBA,4.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1.8
HUNS,0.8

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 11:02 PM
Here is Albanian average from Davidski's spreadsheet with pen=0


"distance%=1.4158"

Albanian

MINOAN,49.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,20.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,17.8
LEVANT,5
ARMENIA-EBA,4.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1.8
HUNS,0.8

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271042-New-G25-data-sheet-using-25-components/page2


According to some people default pen=0.001 is the best. The good thing about pen=0 though is that every run you get the same result which is not true with pen>0

pen basically means: penalize distant components. For example, I am getting 8.4% of Neolithic_Farmers with pen=0 but Neolithic_Farmers is a quite distant component to me.
In the run with pen=0.001 my percentage of Neolithic_Farmers decreased substantially and it was replaced by closer components to me.

The most important thing to understand is that pen is basically a parameter that you may play with.
With pen=0 you get the best fit in terms of distance% but it may not be the most accurate in terms of your real ancestry.

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 11:07 PM
for example in my case I get 13.8 Minoan with pen=0
with pen=0.001 I get 0% Minoan which is the correct result imo.

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 11:27 PM
Here is Albanian average from Davidski's spreadsheet with pen=0


"distance%=1.4158"

Albanian

MINOAN,49.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,20.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,17.8
LEVANT,5
ARMENIA-EBA,4.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1.8
HUNS,0.8

and here is the result with pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.3125"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,67.4
MINOAN,9.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.2
LEVANT,5
ANATOLIA_EBA,4.2
ARMENIA-EBA,2.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

result for average Greek:

[1] "distance%=1.9628"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.4
LEVANT,9.8
MINOAN,7.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.6
ARMENIA-EBA,4.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,3
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Greek_Central_Anatolia:

[1] "distance%=1.4059"

ANATOLIA_EBA,43.8
ARMENIA-EBA,15.6
MINOAN,11.8
LEVANT,8.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6

average Greek_Crete:

[1] "distance%=1.7216"

ANATOLIA_EBA,27.2
LEVANT,19
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,15.4
MINOAN,9.4
ARMENIA-EBA,7.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,4.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,2.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.6
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Greek_Trabzon

[1] "distance%=1.5847"

ARMENIA-EBA,51.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,21.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,11
MINOAN,8.4
LEVANT,7.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,0.2

Lemgrant
12-18-2018, 11:36 PM
Portuguese

BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,21
LEVANT,18.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,17.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,17
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,9.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,2
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
HUNS,0.4



here is the result for average Portuguese with pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.0831"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,52.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,15
LEVANT,5
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,4
MINOAN,3.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.4
CZECH-EBA,1
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.4
ARMENIA-EBA,0.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
HUNS,0.2

FinalFlash
12-18-2018, 11:47 PM
A fit between 1-2 is generally what's the most optimal in terms of accuracy on Global25.

Dick
12-19-2018, 03:52 AM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271042-New-G25-data-sheet-using-25-components/page2

From the author of the calculator.


I think that pen=0 is preferable for ancient runs.


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16087-G25-ancient-2500-BCE-2000-BCE-calculator&p=528662&viewfull=1#post528662

Sikeliot
12-19-2018, 04:00 AM
here is the result for average Portuguese with pen=0.001

Try both East and West Sicily, and mainland Greece this way?

Dick
12-19-2018, 04:04 AM
Try both East and West Sicily, and mainland Greece this way?

Sikeliot, with pen=0.001 I'm almost 100% Bell Beaker central European. It's just not possible. That would make me a pure ancient mainland Celt.

Teucer
12-19-2018, 04:10 AM
Is there anything for Cypriots?

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 05:20 AM
Sikeliot, with pen=0.001 I'm almost 100% Bell Beaker central European. It's just not possible. That would make me a pure ancient mainland Celt.

Well you are not far either.

Teucer
12-19-2018, 08:41 AM
Basque

Would you mind posting the results for Cypriots please?

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 08:45 AM
Would you mind posting the results for Cypriots please?

Cypriot:Average

Anatolia EBA 0.83
Armenia EBA 13.33
Bactria Margiana 3.33
Beaker Central European 5
Beaker Hungary 1.67
Britain CA EBA 5
Levant 45.83
Minoan 22.50
Steppe West 1.67

http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html

You are basically Orthodox Turks (Genetically) no offense.

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 08:49 AM
Try both East and West Sicily, and mainland Greece this way?

average Sicilian_East

[1] "distance%=1.1612"

ANATOLIA_EBA,34.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,27.8
LEVANT,14.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7.4
MINOAN,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.4
ARMENIA-EBA,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

average Sicilian_West

[1] "distance%=1.1635"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,44.6
LEVANT,18
ANATOLIA_EBA,10.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,10.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.4
MINOAN,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2

I already posted result for average Greek. I haven't posted only one which is called Greece_N (Greece North or Neolithic?, I don't know what N means here) in datasheet with averages. The result of that is:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
5.478089
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
5.561855
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
5.750830
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
5.917225
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
5.979984
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:Hungary_BA_I7042
6.624457
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:Beaker_Northern_Italy_no_steppe_I2477
8.058872
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:CWC_Czech_o_I7272
8.565044

[1] "distance%=3.6109"

MINOAN,65.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,29.8
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,2.2

nightrider+
12-19-2018, 08:51 AM
Cypriot:Average

Anatolia EBA 0.83
Armenia EBA 13.33
Bactria Margiana 3.33
Beaker Central European 5
Beaker Hungary 1.67
Britain CA EBA 5
Levant 45.83
Minoan 22.50
Steppe West 1.67

http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html

You are basically Orthodox Turks (Genetically) no offense.

Cypriots are the closest to chalcolithic Anatolia, nothing to do with Turks, trolliensis.

Teucer
12-19-2018, 08:52 AM
Cypriot:Average

Anatolia EBA 0.83
Armenia EBA 13.33
Bactria Margiana 3.33
Beaker Central European 5
Beaker Hungary 1.67
Britain CA EBA 5
Levant 45.83
Minoan 22.50
Steppe West 1.67

http://185.144.156.77:3000/custom_calculators.html

You are basically Orthodox Turks (Genetically) no offense.

Surprised at the low Anatolian. Also I don't see any Turkic so your conclusion doesn't make much sense

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 08:55 AM
Surprised at the low Anatolian. Also I don't see any Turkic so your conclusion doesn't make much sense

Because Levant has absorbed Anatolian populace. Neo-Syrians who inhabited Anatolia like Hattians, Hittite are basically Syrians (Levantines)

You are right, you are not Turks just kidding.

This is Turk:

ARMENIA-EBA,21.8
MINOAN,21.4
LEVANT,14.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,7.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,4.8
HUNS,4.6

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 08:56 AM
Would you mind posting the results for Cypriots please?

average Cypriot
nMonte3 with default pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.1093"

LEVANT,37
ANATOLIA_EBA,27.2
MINOAN,10
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
ARMENIA-EBA,6.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

with pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.4144"

LEVANT,46
MINOAN,23.8
ARMENIA-EBA,11.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,6.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

Teucer
12-19-2018, 08:58 AM
Because Levant has absorbed Anatolian populace. Neo-Syrians who inhabited Anatolia like Hattians, Hittite are basically Syrians (Levantines)

You are right, you are not Turks just kidding.

This is Turk:

ARMENIA-EBA,21.8
MINOAN,21.4
LEVANT,14.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,7.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,4.8
HUNS,4.6

Could you show me a Lebanese result too please? Would be interesting to see how similar we are with them.


average Cypriot
nMonte3 with default pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.1093"

LEVANT,37
ANATOLIA_EBA,27.2
MINOAN,10
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
ARMENIA-EBA,6.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

with pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.4144"

LEVANT,46
MINOAN,23.8
ARMENIA-EBA,11.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,6.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

What is the difference between the two methods used here?

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 09:00 AM
Could you show me a Lebanese result too please? Would be interesting to see how similar we are with them.



What is the difference between the two methods used here?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271042-New-G25-data-sheet-using-25-components&p=5663146&viewfull=1#post5663146

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 09:05 AM
Could you show me a Lebanese result too please? Would be interesting to see how similar we are with them.



What is the difference between the two methods used here?

Lebanse Christian

Anatolia EBA 4.17
Armenia EBA 1.67
Bactria Morgiana 10.83
Beakers C.European 5.83
Levant 60
Minoan 14.17

and other minor I don't want to write manually :P

Don't know the difference between 0.00 and 0.1 but apparently 0.00 is better

Teucer
12-19-2018, 09:07 AM
Lebanse Christian

Anatolia EBA 4.17
Armenia EBA 1.67
Bactria Morgiana 10.83
Beakers C.European 5.83
Levant 60
Minoan 14.17

and other minor I don't want to write manually :P

Don't know the difference between 0.00 and 0.1 but apparently 0.00 is better

So the main difference between Cypriots and Lebanese is that we have roughly double the Minoan, around a fifthless Levantine, and two-thirds less Bactrian which I imagine is a PErsian component

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 09:11 AM
Could you show me a Lebanese result too please? Would be interesting to see how similar we are with them.



What is the difference between the two methods used here?

average Lebanese_Christian

[1] "distance%=1.0892"

LEVANT,65.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,9.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,7.6
MINOAN,6
ARMENIA-EBA,3.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,3.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

Lebanese_Druze

[1] "distance%=0.9278"

LEVANT,58.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,16.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,10
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,4.2
ARMENIA-EBA,3.4
MINOAN,1.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Lebanese_Muslim

[1] "distance%=1.713"

LEVANT,63.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,11.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,11
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,5.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,2.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
ARMENIA-EBA,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
MINOAN,0.2

Teucer
12-19-2018, 09:15 AM
average Lebanese_Christian

[1] "distance%=1.0892"

LEVANT,65.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,9.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,7.6
MINOAN,6
ARMENIA-EBA,3.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,3.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

Lebanese_Druze

[1] "distance%=0.9278"

LEVANT,58.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,16.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,10
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,4.2
ARMENIA-EBA,3.4
MINOAN,1.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Lebanese_Muslim

[1] "distance%=1.713"

LEVANT,63.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,11.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,11
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,5.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,2.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
ARMENIA-EBA,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
MINOAN,0.2

Wait, these results are a lot different to the one Bosinesis posted. Cypriots in comparison to these results have way more Minoan and a lot less Levantine

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 09:16 AM
So the main difference between Cypriots and Lebanese is that we have roughly double the Minoan, around a fifthless Levantine, and two-thirds less Bactrian which I imagine is a PErsian component

I would agree with that.

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 09:18 AM
Wait, these results are a lot different to the one Bosinesis posted. Cypriots in comparison to these results have way more Minoan and a lot less Levantine

because Bosniensis uses calculation with pen=0. I use with default pen=0.001

the difference is explained here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271042-New-G25-data-sheet-using-25-components&p=5663146&viewfull=1#post5663146

Tauromachos
12-19-2018, 09:19 AM
So the main difference between Cypriots and Lebanese is that we have roughly double the Minoan, around a fifthless Levantine, and two-thirds less Bactrian which I imagine is a PErsian component

It supports my hypothesis that Cypriots were just an earlier form of Greek people who moved at a time to Cyprus
Before the Mycanaeans and later Greeks recieved additional Northern influences

Remember Minoans genetically where basicly same with Mycaneans without the additional Steppe in the later.

Though its true that Minoan language hasn't been decyphered and its not clear if it is or not related to Greek,

genetically Minoans and Mycanaeans belonged to the same basic stock

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 09:21 AM
It supports my hypothesis that Cypriots were just an earlier form of Greek people who moved at a time to Cyprus
Before the Mycanaeans and later Greeks recieved additional Northern influences

Remember Minoans genetically where basicly same with Mycaneans without the addional Steppe in the later.

Though its true that Minoan language hasn't been decyphered and its not clear if it is or not related to Greek,

genetically Minoans and Mycanaeans belonged to the same basic stock

How do you explain Albanians having 47% Minoan.. Albos have more Minoan than some Minoans I believe xD?

Tauromachos
12-19-2018, 09:27 AM
How do you explain Albanians having 47% Minoan?

If this is true it supports my hypothesis and what i tried to explain in the past even further

Funnily it was often Albos and some Greektards who attacked me for that and tried to denie these things

They prefer to view themselves rather as some kind of Northern invadors who entered Greece and exterminated at least all
the male native people there xD

Ancient migrations in the Balkans where rather from South to North than the other way around
It means they expanded from Greece and the Aegean region into the regions further North

This is supported by archeological as well as genetic evidences

Triandafilidis talks about this in his book


How else could Neolithic ancestry of which all Europeans have at least some have expanded into Europe along with
Agriculture?

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 09:29 AM
If this is true it supports my hypothesis and what i tried to explain in the past even further

Funnily it was often Albos and some Greektards who attacked me for that and tried to denie these things

They prefer to view themselves rather as some kind of Northern invadors who entered Greece and exterminated at least all
the male native people there xD

Ancient migrations in the Balkans where rather from South to North than the other way around
It means they expanded from Greece and the Aegean region into the regions further North

This is supported by archeological as well as genetic evidences

Triandafilidis talks about this in his book

I absolutely agree that migrations were from South to North, I always wandered why people thought opposite.

Even Celts moved through Balkan and Italy North.

Tauromachos
12-19-2018, 09:32 AM
I absolutely agree that migrations were from South to North, I always wandered why people thought opposite.

Even Celts moved through Balkan and Italy North

They are brainwashed by the Nazi propaganda and similar crap

Unfortunately the Nazis did alot of damage besides their war crimes their ideologic bullshit is still alive and influences the minds of people
even who should submit that means give earth and water to them

Teucer
12-19-2018, 09:40 AM
It supports my hypothesis that Cypriots were just an earlier form of Greek people who moved at a time to Cyprus
Before the Mycanaeans and later Greeks recieved additional Northern influences

Remember Minoans genetically where basicly same with Mycaneans without the additional Steppe in the later.

Though its true that Minoan language hasn't been decyphered and its not clear if it is or not related to Greek,

genetically Minoans and Mycanaeans belonged to the same basic stock

Perhaps there was an ancestor Anatolian tribe to both the Neolithic farmers that migrated to Greece and those Chalcolithic Anatolians who settled Cyprus, but that is just speculation on my part.

Either way, we have way more Levantine ancestry by the looks of things. The only thing I question is whether this Levantine ancestry as it is shown here is Natufian, which is to say native Levantine, or simply indicative of a Levantine-Anatolian mix which the Lebanese and Syrians, etc also have due to successive migrations from the region. IIRC, Canaanites were very different to the Natufians because of this heightened Anatolian component.

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 10:25 AM
nMonte3, default pen=0.001

average Ashkenazi_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.346702
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.750859
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
6.842849
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
8.237813
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
8.444438
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
8.579646
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
8.666311
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I1979
8.754952

[1] "distance%=1.764"

LEVANT,30.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,23
ANATOLIA_EBA,21.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
MINOAN,2.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
CZECH-EBA,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
HUNS,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Sephardic_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.106559 5.379748
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
5.482579 6.941695
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
6.959444 7.550053
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
7.684001 8.479892


[1] "distance%=2.179"

ANATOLIA_EBA,33.8
LEVANT,30.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,4.4
MINOAN,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

average Iranian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.023076 6.190687
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.284250 6.549347
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.862691 6.932318
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
6.956979 7.001713

[1] "distance%=1.5951"

LEVANT,47.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,25.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,15.2
ARMENIA-EBA,4.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,2.8
MINOAN,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2

average Iraqi_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.683783 5.151962
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
5.510521 5.606595
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
5.739069 5.919375
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
6.011200 6.595228

[1] "distance%=1.5883"

LEVANT,60.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,18
ANATOLIA_EBA,9.6
ARMENIA-EBA,6
MINOAN,3.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2

average Italian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.345440 5.385796
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
5.591809 6.984054
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
7.214988 7.602060
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
8.032672 8.291702

[1] "distance%=1.6386"

LEVANT,31.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,26
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10.6
MINOAN,7
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,3.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.4

average Libyan_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.437670 5.710538
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
6.174953 6.222357
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.336854 6.493004
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.685962 7.704435

[1] "distance%=2.6127"

LEVANT,64.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,12.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2

average Moroccan_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.309454 6.787184
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
6.953277 7.072032
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
7.447682 7.602245
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
8.154437 9.144407

[1] "distance%=2.969"

LEVANT,50
ANATOLIA_EBA,18.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,3.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Romaniote_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
4.364536 4.408094
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.728681 5.928549
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
6.090776 6.701283
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.801164 7.497251

[1] "distance%=1.0292"

ANATOLIA_EBA,35
LEVANT,32.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,9
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,4.8
MINOAN,3.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

average Yemenite_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730
4.202157 5.405995
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
5.766939 7.419959
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
7.492273 7.862785
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
8.150935 8.838284

[1] "distance%=3.9953"

LEVANT,97.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,2.4

average Ethiopian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
IBEROMAURUSIAN LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706
28.11003 33.19900
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
33.77461 33.83739
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705
34.26561 34.29331
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
34.43132 34.82372

[1] "distance%=22.7624"

IBEROMAURUSIAN,62.4
LEVANT,28.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.8
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
HUNS,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Syrian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
4.632176 4.693958
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.970839 5.322212
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733
5.460153 5.851936
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.159156 6.697795

[1] "distance%=1.7422"

LEVANT,45.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,24.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,5.8
ARMENIA-EBA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

nightrider+
12-19-2018, 10:29 AM
It supports my hypothesis that Cypriots were just an earlier form of Greek people who moved at a time to Cyprus
Before the Mycanaeans and later Greeks recieved additional Northern influences

Lol, no. Nothing supports this.




They prefer to view themselves rather as some kind of Northern invadors who entered Greece and exterminated at least all
the male native people there xD


No one claims that. It doesn't make any sense going by y-dna first and foremost.

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:19 AM
Bosniensis Ancient25

Sorted by %

1. MINOAN 31.67%
2. CORDED-WARE-BALTIC 31.67%
3. CORDED-WARE-GERMANY 19.17%
4. LEVANT 5%
5. BEAKERS CENTRAL-EUROPEAN 4.17%
6. BACTRIA 3.33%


Bosniensis

Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832

Kaspias
12-19-2018, 11:26 AM
Bosniensis Ancient25

Sorted by %

1. MINOAN 31.67%
2. CORDED-WARE-BALTIC 31.67%
3. CORDED-WARE-GERMANY 19.17%
4. LEVANT 5%
5. BEAKERS CENTRAL-EUROPEAN 4.17%
6. BACTRIA 3.33%


Bosniensis

Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832

What a Roman

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:28 AM
What a Roman

xD Ave

nightrider+
12-19-2018, 11:32 AM
xD Ave>1% Baltic = not a Roman

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:34 AM
>1% Baltic = not a Roman

Well Baltic language is spoken in Bulgaria 1000 B.C. take is however you want.

Kaspias
12-19-2018, 11:35 AM
xD Ave

Distance=1.1247

Western_Balkans 67.5
Balkanic-Aegean 20
Eastern Balkans 10
Turkic 2.5

Thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?270219-Global25-Balkans-K5-Modern)

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 11:36 AM
Bosniensis Ancient25

Sorted by %

1. MINOAN 31.67%
2. CORDED-WARE-BALTIC 31.67%
3. CORDED-WARE-GERMANY 19.17%
4. LEVANT 5%
5. BEAKERS CENTRAL-EUROPEAN 4.17%
6. BACTRIA 3.33%


Bosniensis

Bosniensis_scaled,0.126344,0.135065,0.035826,0.014 535,0.028005,0.01255,0,0.005769,-0.002659,-0.002369,0.002923,-0.006744,0.005352,0.011973,-0.016286,-0.003315,-0.003651,-0.003041,0.00993,-0.008629,-0.007237,-0.008161,0.007765,-0.005904,0.003832

this is your result with pen=0.001

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.101416
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
5.106960
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.301280
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
5.433744
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
5.560798
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
5.674415
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
5.834060
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7275
5.966704

[1] "distance%=3.7065"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,49.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,35.6
CZECH-EBA,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.2
LEVANT,2.6
ARMENIA-EBA,1.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.8
MINOAN,0.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:39 AM
this is your result with pen=0.001

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.101416
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
5.106960
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.301280
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
5.433744
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
5.560798
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
5.674415
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
5.834060
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7275
5.966704

[1] "distance%=3.7065"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,49.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,35.6
CZECH-EBA,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.2
LEVANT,2.6
ARMENIA-EBA,1.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.8
MINOAN,0.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

According to that I am 80% Celtic... which is a bit of stretch.

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:41 AM
Distance=1.1247

Western_Balkans 67.5
Balkanic-Aegean 20
Eastern Balkans 10
Turkic 2.5

Thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?270219-Global25-Balkans-K5-Modern)

That is what would I expect from Romans who lived on Balkans

Romano-Illyrians are mix of Celtic, Illyrian, Greek and Thracians.

Kaspias
12-19-2018, 11:44 AM
That is what would I expect from Romans who lived on Balkans

Romano-Illyrians are mix of Celtic, Illyrian, Greek and Thracians.

Or maybe you're just a mix of Balkanite and Albanian?

Tauromachos
12-19-2018, 11:47 AM
Or maybe you're just a mix of Balkanite and Albanian?

Most people descend from something which is more Ancient than them

There were Romans,Greeks,Illyians,Thracians before there were Albanians

Hell even Phrygians who lived in both Balkans and Western Anatolia

Kaspias
12-19-2018, 11:52 AM
Most people descend from something which is more Ancient than them

There were Romans,Greeks,Illyians,Thracians before there were Albanians

Hell even Phrygians who lived in both Balkans and Western Anatolia

Ya i know, but this was not the context. As far as i know, if i remember, he has Albanian ancestor. I'm not sure though.

Well then Bosnians are a mix of them, okay no problem. But he would score 100% Bosnian in this sense because referances are 8 academic Bosnian sample. He scored East Balkans and Balkanic-Aegean too, so he is not that typical Bosnian.

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 11:53 AM
Most people descend from something which is more Ancient than them

There were Romans,Greeks,Illyians,Thracians before there were Albanians

Hell even Phrygians who lived in both Balkans and Western Anatolia

Balkanite and Albanian are two completely ahistorical and broad terms, it's pointless to mention them.

No Historian wrote about "Balkanites or Albanians" yet we can say for sure that Albanians descended directly from Minoans by having 47% Minoan admixture. That's insane.

I don't want to use "Balkanite" or "Albanian" which are empty shell.. nothing...

Kamal900
12-19-2018, 11:55 AM
nMonte3, default pen=0.001

average Ashkenazi_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.346702
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.750859
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
6.842849
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
8.237813
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
8.444438
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
8.579646
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
8.666311
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I1979
8.754952

[1] "distance%=1.764"

LEVANT,30.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,23
ANATOLIA_EBA,21.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,4.6
MINOAN,2.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
CZECH-EBA,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
HUNS,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Sephardic_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.106559 5.379748
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
5.482579 6.941695
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
6.959444 7.550053
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
7.684001 8.479892


[1] "distance%=2.179"

ANATOLIA_EBA,33.8
LEVANT,30.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,4.4
MINOAN,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2

average Iranian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.023076 6.190687
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.284250 6.549347
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.862691 6.932318
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
6.956979 7.001713

[1] "distance%=1.5951"

LEVANT,47.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,25.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,15.2
ARMENIA-EBA,4.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,2.8
MINOAN,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2

average Iraqi_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.683783 5.151962
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
5.510521 5.606595
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
5.739069 5.919375
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
6.011200 6.595228

[1] "distance%=1.5883"

LEVANT,60.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,18
ANATOLIA_EBA,9.6
ARMENIA-EBA,6
MINOAN,3.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2

average Italian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.345440 5.385796
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
5.591809 6.984054
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
7.214988 7.602060
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
8.032672 8.291702

[1] "distance%=1.6386"

LEVANT,31.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,26
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,10.6
MINOAN,7
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,3.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.6
STEPPE-WEST,0.4

average Libyan_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
5.437670 5.710538
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
6.174953 6.222357
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
6.336854 6.493004
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.685962 7.704435

[1] "distance%=2.6127"

LEVANT,64.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,12.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2

average Moroccan_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
6.309454 6.787184
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
6.953277 7.072032
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
7.447682 7.602245
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
8.154437 9.144407

[1] "distance%=2.969"

LEVANT,50
ANATOLIA_EBA,18.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,3.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Romaniote_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
4.364536 4.408094
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.728681 5.928549
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
6.090776 6.701283
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.801164 7.497251

[1] "distance%=1.0292"

ANATOLIA_EBA,35
LEVANT,32.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,9
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,4.8
MINOAN,3.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

average Yemenite_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730
4.202157 5.405995
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
5.766939 7.419959
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
7.492273 7.862785
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
8.150935 8.838284

[1] "distance%=3.9953"

LEVANT,97.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,2.4

average Ethiopian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
IBEROMAURUSIAN LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706
28.11003 33.19900
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732
33.77461 33.83739
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705
34.26561 34.29331
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
34.43132 34.82372

[1] "distance%=22.7624"

IBEROMAURUSIAN,62.4
LEVANT,28.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.8
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
HUNS,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Syrian_Jew

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
4.632176 4.693958
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.970839 5.322212
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733
5.460153 5.851936
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729
6.159156 6.697795

[1] "distance%=1.7422"

LEVANT,45.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,24.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,5.8
ARMENIA-EBA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

Could you do for Palestinians, please?

Tauromachos
12-19-2018, 11:58 AM
Ya i know, but this was not the context. As far as i know, if i remember, he has Albanian ancestor. I'm not sure though.

He says his ancestors were Serbs from Montenegro



Well then Bosnians are a mix of them, okay no problem. But he would score 100% Bosnian in this sense because referances are 8 academic Bosnian sample.




He scored East Balkans and Balkanic-Aegean too, so he is not that typical Bosnian.

He is Bosnian citizen but he identifies with Ancient Romans of the Balkans

Kaspias
12-19-2018, 12:00 PM
He says his ancestors were Serbs from Montenegro


He is Bosnian citizen but he identifies with Ancient Romans of the Balkans

Really? lmao

Eh his choice i can't say anything. But i think he is trolling us.

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 12:01 PM
According to that I am 80% Celtic... which is a bit of stretch.

this is your result using the whole Davidski's datasheet with individual references and pen=0.001:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Serbian:Serbian_Serbia3 Macedonian:Macedonian6 Romanian:A362
2.365123 2.457546 2.545112
Bosnian:Bosnian_13 Montenegrin:Montenegro5 Montenegrin:Montenegro4
2.747454 2.748544 2.766120
Serbian:Serbian_Serbia1 Slovenian:Slovenian137
2.791094 2.806352

[1] "distance%=1.407"

Romanian,18.4
Serbian,16
Macedonian,15
Slovenian,11
Croatian,5.8
Bosnian,5.2
Montenegrin,4.2
Ukrainian,2.2
Greek,2
Hungarian,1.8
Polish,1.8
Belarusian,1.6
Moldovan,1.6
Russian_Orel,1.2
Bulgarian,1
Albanian,0.8
Turkish_Istanbul,0.8
Russian_Voronez,0.6
Scythian_Ukraine,0.6
Germany_Medieval_o,0.4
Iranian_Fars,0.4
Scythian_Hungary,0.4
Anatolia_BA,0.2
Anatolia_MLBA,0.2
Armenian,0.2
Ashkenazi_Jew,0.2
Avar_Hungary_Szolad,0.2
Azeri_Iran,0.2
Balkans_BA,0.2
Balkans_ChL,0.2
Balochi,0.2
Baltic_BA,0.2
Brahui,0.2
Czech,0.2
Dzharkutan1_BA,0.2
Estonian,0.2
French_East,0.2
Georgian_Jew,0.2
German,0.2
Germany_Medieval_ACD,0.2
Hungary_Medieval_Szolad,0.2
Iranian_Lor,0.2
Iranian_Mazandarani,0.2
Iraqi_Jew,0.2
Italy_Medieval_Collegno,0.2
Kalash,0.2
Lebanese_Christian,0.2
Levant_ChL,0.2
Russian_Kursk,0.2
Russian_Tver,0.2
Sappali_Tepe_BA,0.2
Sardinian,0.2
Sicilian_East,0.2
Slovakian,0.2
Tajik_Yagnobi,0.2
Turkish_Kayseri,0.2
Turkish_Trabzon,0.2
Yemenite_Ma'rib,0.2

______________________

and this is the result by using the datasheet with averages:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Serbian Montenegrin Romanian Bosnian Macedonian Moldovan
2.264737 2.526244 2.606201 2.631856 2.659293 2.897918
Bulgarian Croatian
3.119243 3.272841

[1] "distance%=1.9061"

Serbian,34.4
Macedonian,24.4
Bosnian,8.2
Slovenian,4.2
Croatian,2.8
Albanian,2
Russian_Kursk,1.8
Ukrainian,1.8
Avar_Hungary_Szolad,1.6
Montenegrin,1.6
Romanian,1.6
Russian_Orel,1.2
Lithuanian,1
Cossack_Ukrainian,0.8
Maros,0.8
Anatolia_IA_low_res,0.6
Assyrian,0.6
Baltic_IA,0.6
Golden_Horde_European,0.6
Latvian,0.6
Polish,0.6
Russian_Smolensk,0.6
Anatolia_MLBA_low_res,0.4
Belarusian,0.4
Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_o1,0.4
Mordovian,0.4
Russian_Tver,0.4
Russian_Voronez,0.4
Turkish_Kayseri,0.4
Armenia_ChL,0.2
Balochi,0.2
Baltic_BA,0.2
Bulgarian,0.2
Bustan_BA,0.2
Dzharkutan1_BA,0.2
Estonian,0.2
Germany_Medieval_o,0.2
Gonur1_BA,0.2
Hasanlu_IA,0.2
Iranian_Fars,0.2
Iranian_Jew,0.2
Iranian_Persian,0.2
Iraqi_Jew,0.2
Jordanian,0.2
Lebanese_Druze,0.2
Lebanese_Muslim,0.2
Moroccan_Jew,0.2
Parkhai_LBA_o,0.2
Protoboleraz_LCA,0.2
Samaritan,0.2
Satan_MLBA_Alakul,0.2
Tepe_Hissar_ChL,0.2
Turkish_Trabzon,0.2

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 12:07 PM
Could you do for Palestinians, please?

average Palestinian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.791722 5.166007
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
5.270424 5.289675
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706
6.445831 7.075852
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705
7.115218 7.153514

[1] "distance%=3.6165"

LEVANT,84.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,9.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,3
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
HUNS,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

Grace O'Malley
12-19-2018, 12:08 PM
Could you do for Palestinians, please?

This is just using Poi's tool so hopefully someone else will do another run with regular nMonte.

Fit 2.1485

Africa K9 3.33
Anc Sami K9 0
Armenia_ChL_K9 30
Baltic_BA_K9 0
Beaker_Iberia_K9 0
East_Asia_K9 0
Iran_N_K9 17.5
Levant_N_K9 48.33
South_Asia_K9 0.83

Sorry ran the wrong calculator. This is the correct one.

Fit 2.2069

ANATOLIA EBA 0.83
BACTRIA-MARGIANA 10.83
BEAKERS-BRITAIN 5
BEAKERS-CENTRAL EUROPE 2.5
IBEROMAURUSIAN 7.5
LEVANT 71.67
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS 1.67

Kelmendasi
12-19-2018, 12:21 PM
You Albanians really do have insane amount of Minoan, amazing. A group of people who are speaking unknown language being Greeks more than Greeks.
The Minoan is just a proxy for early Balkan/SE European admix. If BA or IA Balkan samples were used instead, I would score more of that than Minoan.

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 12:23 PM
The Minoan is just a proxy for early Balkan/SE European admix. If BA or IA Balkan samples were used instead, I would score more of that than Minoan.

It's really amazing how such a small people managed to survive on mountains then create a nation in modern times. You are like those Gaelic people from Scotland Mountains.

Kelmendasi
12-19-2018, 12:24 PM
and here is the result with pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.3125"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,67.4
MINOAN,9.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.2
LEVANT,5
ANATOLIA_EBA,4.2
ARMENIA-EBA,2.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,1.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

result for average Greek:

[1] "distance%=1.9628"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.4
LEVANT,9.8
MINOAN,7.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.6
ARMENIA-EBA,4.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,3
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Greek_Central_Anatolia:

[1] "distance%=1.4059"

ANATOLIA_EBA,43.8
ARMENIA-EBA,15.6
MINOAN,11.8
LEVANT,8.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,7.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,5.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6

average Greek_Crete:

[1] "distance%=1.7216"

ANATOLIA_EBA,27.2
LEVANT,19
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,15.4
MINOAN,9.4
ARMENIA-EBA,7.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,4.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,3.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,2.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.6
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Greek_Trabzon

[1] "distance%=1.5847"

ARMENIA-EBA,51.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,21.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,11
MINOAN,8.4
LEVANT,7.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,0.2
Could you run mine with the Pen at 0.001?

U_Vushaj_scaled,0.122929,0.150298,0.021873,-0.01938,0.035083,-0.006972,0.00376,0.004384,0.003886,0.019864,-0.003573,0.009292,-0.003717,0.007707,-0.020358,-0.012463,0.00691,0.002787,0.005154,-0.005253,-0.004118,0.002473,0.000123,-0.000361,0.000958

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 12:40 PM
Could you run mine with the Pen at 0.001?

U_Vushaj_scaled,0.122929,0.150298,0.021873,-0.01938,0.035083,-0.006972,0.00376,0.004384,0.003886,0.019864,-0.003573,0.009292,-0.003717,0.007707,-0.020358,-0.012463,0.00691,0.002787,0.005154,-0.005253,-0.004118,0.002473,0.000123,-0.000361,0.000958

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.147454
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
5.108758
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
5.383408
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.679381
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.863188
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I1979
6.168428
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I7045
6.383084
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
6.448051

[1] "distance%=2.29"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,12.6
MINOAN,9.4
LEVANT,4.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,3.4
ARMENIA-EBA,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Kamal900
12-19-2018, 12:41 PM
average Palestinian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790732 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730
4.791722 5.166007
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790731
5.270424 5.289675
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790729 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1706
6.445831 7.075852
LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_South_I1705
7.115218 7.153514

[1] "distance%=3.6165"

LEVANT,84.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,9.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,3
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
HUNS,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

Could you explain to me about the results?

Kelmendasi
12-19-2018, 12:48 PM
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.147454
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
5.108758
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
5.383408
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.679381
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.863188
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I1979
6.168428
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I7045
6.383084
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
6.448051

[1] "distance%=2.29"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,12.6
MINOAN,9.4
LEVANT,4.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,3.4
ARMENIA-EBA,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.2
Cheers. The online nMonte runner gives me a slightly different result

Fit - 2.1889
Beaker-Central-European - 56.67
Minoan - 17.5
Beakers-Hungary - 14.17
Levant - 3.33
Armenia-EBA - 2.5
Anatolia-EBA - 2.5
Czech-EBA - 1.67
Beakers-Britan - 0.83
Corded-Ware-Baltic - 0.83

Grace O'Malley
12-19-2018, 12:50 PM
It's really amazing how such a small people managed to survive on mountains then create a nation in modern times. You are like those Gaelic people from Scotland Mountains.

And the Gaels are all R1b-L21. I'm a Gael.

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 12:52 PM
And the Gaels are all R1b-L21. I'm a Gael.

Nope.

I2a2 = Uilleam Uallas

Dick
12-19-2018, 03:26 PM
Nope.

I2a2 = Uilleam Uallas



https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?255298-Braveheart-I2c

Bosniensis
12-19-2018, 04:44 PM
Proper Ancient Calc with R tool, a bit different than one used on website, references are different probably. (updated references)

Would like to know more about Corded-Ware?

Anyone wiling to share some knowledge? (Calc. specific knowledge)



[1] "distance%=2.5252"

Bosniensis_scaled

MINOAN,35.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,32.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,24
LEVANT,5
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.8


I 've read this

"The Corded Ware was genetically strongly related to the Yamnaya culture, suggesting that the Corded Ware culture originated from migrations from the Eurasiatic steppes.[3] The Corded Ware culture may have disseminated the Proto-Germanic and Proto-Balto-Slavic Indo-European languages, and may also have had a role in the spread of the Southern European Italo-Celtic and probably Proto-Greek language"

I think that is false... comments?

celticdragongod
12-19-2018, 11:01 PM
Nope.

I2a2 = Uilleam Uallas

I2a2 was probably brought to Britain and Ireland by the Neolithic farmers while L21 was likely brought by the Bell Beakers.

Lemgrant
12-19-2018, 11:57 PM
East Europe

average Estonian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.447868
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
6.001013
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.544684
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.629002
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.636414
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.722128
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.967721
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5367
7.024699
[1] "distance%=3.2242"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,49.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,46.6
CZECH-EBA,2.2
STEPPE-WEST,1.4
TUNGUS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

average Latvian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
5.559314
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.751812
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
8.091527
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
8.111728
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
8.176780
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
8.198374
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
8.317063
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
8.411911
[1] "distance%=4.0543"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,65
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,23.8
CZECH-EBA,4.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.8
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.8
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
STEPPE,0.4

average Lithuanian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.188911
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
6.502638
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
7.486477
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
7.571174
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
7.751649
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
7.759973
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
7.974896
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
8.048885
[1] "distance%=4.2271"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,48
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,32
CZECH-EBA,13.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

average Ukrainian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.463988
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
5.549407
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.773243
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
6.177748
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
6.178914
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.261126
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
6.320429
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
6.418606

[1] "distance%=3.9591"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,52
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,20
CZECH-EBA,16
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,11
MINOAN,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
LEVANT,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Belarusian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.017058
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.327761
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
6.385870
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.739122
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.758217
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.861542
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.955338
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
7.063743

[1] "distance%=4.0347"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,45.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,32.4
CZECH-EBA,14.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Polish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.555993
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.943467
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.112089
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
5.455442
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
5.522599
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
5.558041
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I5750
5.683755
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
5.706788
[1] "distance%=3.1758"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,64.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,13.2
CZECH-EBA,12.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2

average Hungarian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
3.925027
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
3.968257
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.117765
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
4.124435
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.181394
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.191154
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.234952
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09569
4.255703
[1] "distance%=2.3556"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,70
CZECH-EBA,17.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6.4
LEVANT,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,1
MINOAN,1
URAL-SIBERIA,0.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Russian_Kostroma

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.407689
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.531633
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
6.606882
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.710514
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.922379
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.950043
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
7.059382
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I4076
7.152789
[1] "distance%=4.2212"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,40.2
STEPPE-WEST,27.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,26.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.8
CZECH-EBA,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.8
URAL-SIBERIA,0.8
HUNS,0.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2

average Russian_Kursk

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.681404
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
6.057975
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.168501
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.227373
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.233051
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.241754
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
6.438240
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
6.456362
[1] "distance%=3.8016"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,45.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,32.4
CZECH-EBA,10
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.8
STEPPE-WEST,1.4
STEPPE,0.6
HUNS,0.4
URAL-SIBERIA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Russian_Orel

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.664800
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
5.815418
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.862956
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.240161
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.286161
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
6.291715
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.352205
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.389221
[1] "distance%=3.9155"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,47.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,29.2
CZECH-EBA,14.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7.4
URAL-SIBERIA,0.6
HUNS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2

average Russian_Pinega

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
STEPPE-WEST:Zevakinskiy_BA_I3770
8.229522
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
8.551205
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
8.597219
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
8.689487
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
8.783350
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
8.792264
CORDED-WARE.CZECH:CWC_Czech_I7279
9.043410
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7198
9.077130
[1] "distance%=5.1707"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,50.2
STEPPE-WEST,47.4
URAL-SIBERIA,1.2
HUNS,0.6
TUNGUS,0.4

average Russian_Smolensk

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.052751
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
6.034656
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.052684
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.463680
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.487636
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.779211
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
6.810453
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I2443
6.870383
[1] "distance%=4.1018"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,35.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,28
CZECH-EBA,27.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4
HUNS,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2

average Russian_Tver

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.263663
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
6.334532
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.362356
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.385505
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.431284
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.462447
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
6.693457
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.713503
[1] "distance%=3.8728"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,46.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,38.2
CZECH-EBA,7.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.2
STEPPE-WEST,1.6
HUNS,0.8
STEPPE,0.6
URAL-SIBERIA,0.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4

average Russian_Voronez

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.668414
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
5.810079
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.935184
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.345300
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
6.432200
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
6.490274
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.575028
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7202
6.580331
[1] "distance%=3.9652"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,48
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,24.8
CZECH-EBA,17.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,9.4
URAL-SIBERIA,0.4

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 12:04 AM
average Roma (Gypsies)

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901
10.47144
BACTRIA-MARGIANA:Gonur1_BA_I1793
12.66104
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5759
13.02677
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658
13.08077
BACTRIA-MARGIANA:Gonur1_BA_I6124
13.10966
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
13.65811
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
13.86105
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
13.88792

[1] "distance%=5.1058"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,30.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,25
CENTRAL-ASIA,13.4
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,10.6
LEVANT,7
ANATOLIA_EBA,3.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
MINOAN,1
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
TUNGUS,0.8
URAL-SIBERIA,0.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
HUNS,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 12:33 AM
Could you explain to me about the results?

No. You need to ask the creator of the Datasheet on Anthrogenica.

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 12:36 AM
Cheers. The online nMonte runner gives me a slightly different result

Fit - 2.1889
Beaker-Central-European - 56.67
Minoan - 17.5
Beakers-Hungary - 14.17
Levant - 3.33
Armenia-EBA - 2.5
Anatolia-EBA - 2.5
Czech-EBA - 1.67
Beakers-Britan - 0.83
Corded-Ware-Baltic - 0.83

I use the datasheet that was posted here: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16087-G25-ancient-2500-BCE-2000-BCE-calculator

Mingle
12-20-2018, 12:58 AM
Cypriots are the closest to chalcolithic Anatolia, nothing to do with Turks, trolliensis.

Even closer than Cappadocian Greeks, Pontic Greeks, and Armenians? There was a PCA on Anthrogenica where the Cappadocian Greek sample was plotted in almost the same exact location as the Iron Age Anatolian. But I don't know how different Copper Age (Chalcolithic) and Iron Age Anatolians are. Though, this doesn't negate the fact that Cypriots are one of the closest populations to them regardless.

nightrider+
12-20-2018, 01:04 AM
Even closer than Cappadocian Greeks, Pontic Greeks, and Armenians? There was a PCA on Anthrogenica where the Cappadocian Greek sample was plotted in almost the same exact location as the Iron Age Anatolian. But I don't know how different Copper Age (Chalcolithic) and Iron Age Anatolians are. Though, this doesn't negate the fact that Cypriots are one of the closest populations to them regardless.I'm going by this one ChL sample.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181220/7c533546efbfd9affc2ccb842086d7bb.jpg

Mingle
12-20-2018, 01:08 AM
Ya i know, but this was not the context. As far as i know, if i remember, he has Albanian ancestor. I'm not sure though.

Well then Bosnians are a mix of them, okay no problem. But he would score 100% Bosnian in this sense because referances are 8 academic Bosnian sample. He scored East Balkans and Balkanic-Aegean too, so he is not that typical Bosnian.

I also recall him saying he was 1/4 Albanian before.

Grace O'Malley
12-20-2018, 07:57 AM
Nope.

I2a2 = Uilleam Uallas

Most Irish are r1b-L21 and the Bell Beakers who were proto-Celtic brought L21 to Ireland. Gaels are Irish and some Scots. The Irish all original spoke a Gaelic language. I2a2 is a minority in Ireland and is from the Neolithic population leftovers.

Anyway I know you've got some fringe theories.

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 10:44 AM
nMonte3, default pen=0.001

average Turkish_Istanbul

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901
6.928512
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
8.468865
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658
8.696404
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
8.835277
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
9.004989
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
9.205313
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
9.267807
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
9.625848

[1] "distance%=2.1592"

CENTRAL-ASIA,43.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,17
ANATOLIA_EBA,10.4
LEVANT,7.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,6
MINOAN,4.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.2
ARMENIA-EBA,1
CZECH-EBA,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
URAL-SIBERIA,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
HUNS,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Turkish_Adana

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
6.629296 7.299747
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
7.330542 8.074696
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
8.485646 8.562678
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I5608
9.181777 9.596797

[1] "distance%=2.1019"

CENTRAL-ASIA,39.4
LEVANT,17.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,12.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,7.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,5.6
MINOAN,4.8
ARMENIA-EBA,4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.6
HUNS,0.8
TUNGUS,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.4
URAL-SIBERIA,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2

average Turkish_Aydin

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
6.69815 10.47960
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
10.60739 10.97545
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
11.28553 11.28768
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I5608 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
11.41219 11.66911

[1] "distance%=4.1938"

CENTRAL-ASIA,64.4
LEVANT,12.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,8
MINOAN,2.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.2
URAL-SIBERIA,1.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
HUNS,0.6
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.6
TUNGUS,0.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Turkish_Balikesir

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901
6.929558
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
10.983170
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658
11.073370
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
11.465603
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
11.601505
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I5608
11.741884
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
11.796458
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
11.829267

[1] "distance%=4.6328"

CENTRAL-ASIA,64
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.6
LEVANT,8
MINOAN,2.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.4
URAL-SIBERIA,1.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.2
STEPPE-WEST,1.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.4
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2
HUNS,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2

average Turkish_Kayseri

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635
6.859903 6.866289
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633
6.934275 7.740001
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
7.778828 7.815622
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733
8.671235 9.230645


[1] "distance%=2.1715"

CENTRAL-ASIA,43.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,16.6
LEVANT,15.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,7.8
MINOAN,5.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,4
ARMENIA-EBA,1.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
TUNGUS,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2
URAL-SIBERIA,0.2

average Turkish_Trabzon

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658
4.524917 4.862682
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210
5.304459 5.427953
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633 ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2212
6.318453 7.041202
LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790730 LEVANT:Levant_BA_North_ERS1790733
7.977736 8.190180

[1] "distance%=1.062"

ARMENIA-EBA,52.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,21.6
MINOAN,9.4
LEVANT,8.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,7.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.2

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 10:54 AM
average Turk_Medieval

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
URAL-SIBERIA:Okunevo
14.57006
URAL-SIBERIA:Kanai_MBA_2100BCE
15.27183
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901
17.67513
STEPPE-WEST: Zevakinskiy_BA_I3770
18.85858
STEPPE-WEST: Potapovka_MLBA_I0419
20.50979
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5836
20.65199
STEPPE: Poltavka_I0374
20.94835
STEPPE: Poltavka_I7671
20.99968

[1] "distance%=2.8432"

URAL-SIBERIA,23.2
HUNS,14.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,12.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.2
TUNGUS,11
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,9.8
STEPPE-WEST,3.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,3.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,2.6
CZECH-EBA,1.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.4
LEVANT,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2

average Kurdish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1635 ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1658
4.935409 4.982468
ARMENIA-EBA:Armenia_EBA_I1633 BACTRIA-MARGIANA:Sappali_Tepe_BA_I7494
5.165610 7.801478
CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I4901 BACTRIA-MARGIANA:Gonur1_BA_I6124
7.851800 7.964015
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2210 CENTRAL-ASIA: Dzharkutan2_BA_I5608
8.655446 8.730740

[1] "distance%=1.2788"

BACTRIA-MARGIANA,31.8
ARMENIA-EBA,26.6
LEVANT,20
ANATOLIA_EBA,5.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,4.4
MINOAN,3.4
CENTRAL-ASIA,2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
CZECH-EBA,1
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2
STEPPE,0.2
TUNGUS,0.2
URAL-SIBERIA,0.2

Vasconcelos
12-20-2018, 11:01 AM
It makes no sense to model Iberians without a NA source, naturally the Levant component is going to be abnormally high and the result just silly. Personally I'd prefer unscaled coordinates, but it seems people just like mimicking David and use scaled ones instead



[1] "distance%=0.4558"


Portuguese


MINOAN,18.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,17.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,15.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,13.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,10.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,10.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,7.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,5.4
LEVANT,1.6




Minoans themselves are basically EEF and some minor west Asian stuff

[1] "distance%=2.5907"


Minoan_Lasithi


EUROPEAN-FARMERS,79.2
Hajji_Firuz_ChL,10.6
ANATOLIA,3.6
Seh_Gabi_ChL,3.4
LEVANT,3.2

Sikeliot
12-20-2018, 11:12 AM
It makes no sense to model Iberians without a NA source, naturally the Levant component is going to be abnormally high and the result just silly. Personally I'd prefer unscaled coordinates, but it seems people just like mimicking David and use scaled ones instead

Portuguese clearly do have NA input, and Levant can substitute for parts of it. So clearly there is "Levant-like" ancestry in Iberia, even if not properly Levantine. The Sicilians cannot be modeled with NA without Levantine, though.

Vasconcelos
12-20-2018, 11:41 AM
Portuguese clearly do have NA input, and Levant can substitute for parts of it. So clearly there is "Levant-like" ancestry in Iberia, even if not properly Levantine. The Sicilians cannot be modeled with NA without Levantine, though.

There is clearly some eastern Mediterranean input in Iberia ofc, although certainly less than anywhere in Italy, which is what you'd expect from a source with an eastern Mediterranean origin.
Here's a simple model, I'll use Armenia_EBA as a proxy (Anatolia_Chl is around half Anatolia_neolithic it'll inflate the score at the expense of Iberia_CA, so I ditched it for Armenia). I'll keep Levant_BA_South becuase it's a more typically Levantine sample, the northern samples are later and have extra CHG-like ancestry, they'd eat into the Armenia_EBA. These were run with unscaled coordinates and no penalty, as to keep the results stable (pen=0.001 yields different results each run, I wanted to remove that variation)


[1] "distance%=1.2046"

Portuguese

Beaker_Britain,44.4
Iberia_Central_CA,33
Armenia_EBA,12.8
Levant_BA_South,5.2
Iberomaurusian,4.6


[1] "distance%=1.5032"

Spanish_Andalucia

Beaker_Britain,41
Iberia_Central_CA,35.4
Armenia_EBA,17.4
Levant_BA_South,3.4
Iberomaurusian,2.8


[1] "distance%=1.5456"

Spanish_Baleares

Beaker_Britain,43.6
Iberia_Central_CA,33.8
Armenia_EBA,15.2
Levant_BA_South,6.6
Iberomaurusian,0.8



When you run north Iberians the scores drop a bit - Portuguese themselves already have lower levels than south Iberians.

[1] "distance%=1.5118"

Spanish_Aragon

Beaker_Britain,47
Iberia_Central_CA,37.2
Armenia_EBA,10.6
Iberomaurusian,2.6
Levant_BA_South,2.6


[1] "distance%=1.7388"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Beaker_Britain,48.2
Iberia_Central_CA,32.4
Armenia_EBA,10
Levant_BA_South,4.8
Iberomaurusian,4.6


[1] "distance%=1.5226"

Spanish_Cantabria

Beaker_Britain,48.2
Iberia_Central_CA,38
Armenia_EBA,9.6
Levant_BA_South,2.4
Iberomaurusian,1.8



This is consistent with an arrival from the Mediterranean Sea, peaking in the south and lowering as you move north. It's also lower in NE Iberia than in NW, which is again what we'd expect from what we know about genetic variation within Iberia

Sikeliot
12-20-2018, 11:43 AM
There is clearly some eastern Mediterranean input in Iberia ofc, although certainly less than anywhere in Italy, which is what you'd expect from a source with an eastern Mediterranean origin.
Here's a simple model, I'll use Armenia_EBA as a proxy (Anatolia_Chl is around half Anatolia_neolithic it'll inflate the score at the expense of Iberia_CA, so I ditched it for Armenia). I'll keep Levant_BA_South becuase it's a more typically Levantine sample, the northern samples are later and have extra CHG-like ancestry, they'd eat into the Armenia_EBA. These were run with unscaled coordinates and no penalty, as to keep the results stable (pen=0.001 yields different results each run, I wanted to remove that variation)


[1] "distance%=1.2046"

Portuguese

Beaker_Britain,44.4
Iberia_Central_CA,33
Armenia_EBA,12.8
Levant_BA_South,5.2
Iberomaurusian,4.6


[1] "distance%=1.5032"

Spanish_Andalucia

Beaker_Britain,41
Iberia_Central_CA,35.4
Armenia_EBA,17.4
Levant_BA_South,3.4
Iberomaurusian,2.8


[1] "distance%=1.5456"

Spanish_Baleares

Beaker_Britain,43.6
Iberia_Central_CA,33.8
Armenia_EBA,15.2
Levant_BA_South,6.6
Iberomaurusian,0.8



When you run north Iberians the scores drop a bit - Portuguese themselves already have lower levels than south Iberians.

[1] "distance%=1.5118"

Spanish_Aragon

Beaker_Britain,47
Iberia_Central_CA,37.2
Armenia_EBA,10.6
Iberomaurusian,2.6
Levant_BA_South,2.6


[1] "distance%=1.7388"

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

Beaker_Britain,48.2
Iberia_Central_CA,32.4
Armenia_EBA,10
Levant_BA_South,4.8
Iberomaurusian,4.6


[1] "distance%=1.5226"

Spanish_Cantabria

Beaker_Britain,48.2
Iberia_Central_CA,38
Armenia_EBA,9.6
Levant_BA_South,2.4
Iberomaurusian,1.8

Portuguese have more Iberomaurusian and Levant than the Spanish though, except Balearics.

Try East/West Sicily? I want to see what happens with them. Add a Greek population in if you need to for better modeling.

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 11:55 AM
nMonte3, default pen=0.001

average German

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
2.926484
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
2.995014
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
3.011276
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
3.040682
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
3.063295
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.145275
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
3.164058
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
3.167709

[1] "distance%=1.2074"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,76.4
CZECH-EBA,7
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
MINOAN,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

average German_East

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.277133
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
3.286172
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
3.616693
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.665459
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
3.673634
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
3.744558
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
3.897416
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
3.962520
[1] "distance%=1.9318"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.2
CZECH-EBA,23
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,10.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
MINOAN,0.4

average Germany_Medieval

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
2.643850
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
2.727316
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.863737
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
2.868931
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
2.973375
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
3.067855
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6480
3.117386
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I6680
3.118668

[1] "distance%=1.4111"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,66.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,18
CZECH-EBA,7.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2

average Germany_Medieval_ACD (name as found in datasheet)

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7275
3.829801
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
3.900670
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.066076
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.144884
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09569
4.223125
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4253
4.240413
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
4.373818
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4886
4.505507

[1] "distance%=1.9424"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,75
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.6
LEVANT,3.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.8
CZECH-EBA,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.2
MINOAN,1.2
ARMENIA-EBA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
HUNS,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
STEPPE,0.6
TUNGUS,0.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.2
URAL-SIBERIA,0.2


average Germany_Medieval_o (what is this?)

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0071
6.718028
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I1979
6.804927
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0073
7.327677
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
7.333927
ANATOLIA_EBA:Anatolia_EBA_MA2213
7.522402
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I9005
7.606273
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0070
7.687355
MINOAN:Minoan_Lasithi_I0074
7.689011

[1] "distance%=3.4337"

MINOAN,42.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,17.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,15.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,11.2
LEVANT,3.8
ARMENIA-EBA,3.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,3.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
CZECH-EBA,0.2

average Germany_Roman

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:Beaker_Central_Europe_no_steppe_I1392
3.205328
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:CWC_Czech_o_I7272
3.443243
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS:Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe_I4247
4.420903
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA:Iberia_Central_CA_I6609
4.440333
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS:Beaker_Hungary_no_steppe_I2741
4.582182
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA:Iberia_Central_CA_I6617
4.731588
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS:Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe_I4229
4.896241
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS:Beaker_Iberia_no_steppe_I0459
5.023181


[1] "distance%=1.7005"

NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,63.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,17
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,16.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.2
MINOAN,1

average Dutch

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
2.572199
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
2.684168
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
2.793141
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
2.886594
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.920275
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
2.923012
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
2.938588
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I2981
3.169231

[1] "distance%=1.4153"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,69.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,11.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,8
CZECH-EBA,4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.8
STEPPE-WEST,0.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2

average French

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
2.506020
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
2.977949
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
3.091571
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
3.142276
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
3.208213
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_Southern_France_I3874
3.302990
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4887
3.325066
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I0113
3.362209

[1] "distance%=0.9461"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,63.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,11
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,4.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,3.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,3
CZECH-EBA,3
MINOAN,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.2
LEVANT,0.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2

average French_East

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
2.462110
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
2.824652
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
3.017846
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
3.069334
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
3.174394
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
3.226053
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4887
3.258101
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6590
3.375955


[1] "distance%=1.0209"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,67.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,5.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,3.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,3.2
CZECH-EBA,3
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.2
LEVANT,1.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
MINOAN,0.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2


average French_South

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2462
3.426791
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.536129
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
3.595480
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
3.651582
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5835
4.032626
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I5665
4.155626
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
4.275022
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I6623
4.389269


[1] "distance%=1.0606"

BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,27.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,24.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,22.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,7.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,5
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2
CZECH-EBA,1.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1
MINOAN,1
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
LEVANT,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Ayetooey
12-20-2018, 12:54 PM
How many cycles do you run this calc with?

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 02:06 PM
nMonte3, default pen=0.001

average Swedish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
2.896163
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
2.945113
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I5750
2.983884
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I3256
3.004101
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5367
3.007080
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
3.018751
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
3.109279
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
3.109434

[1] "distance%=1.6314"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,43.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,35
CZECH-EBA,14.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

average Norwegian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I3256
2.719429
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
3.008389
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
3.013384
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I2981
3.028274
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5367
3.058195
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I5750
3.068609
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
3.095702
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
3.107803

[1] "distance%=1.632"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,52
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,28.8
CZECH-EBA,9.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.8
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.2

average Finnish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
5.418478
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
5.440917
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
5.471823
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.819150
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.871397
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5367
5.921041
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.023159
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I4076
6.058970

[1] "distance%=3.3591"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,28
CZECH-EBA,27.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,14.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,12.8
STEPPE-WEST,10
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,5.8
URAL-SIBERIA,0.8
TUNGUS,0.6
HUNS,0.4

average Finnish_East

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
7.147201
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
7.208244
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
7.280361
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
7.566945
STEPPE-WEST:Zevakinskiy_BA_I3770
7.658989
CORDED-WARE.CZECH:CWC_Czech_I7279
7.669380
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
7.720405
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
7.725884

[1] "distance%=4.0204"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,44.6
STEPPE-WEST,32.4
CZECH-EBA,19.2
URAL-SIBERIA,1.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.8
TUNGUS,0.6
HUNS,0.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,0.2

average Karelian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
7.374862
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
7.446328
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
7.455059
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
7.603451
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:CWC_Baltic_Kunila2_merged
7.659294
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
7.701459
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
7.714748
STEPPE-WEST:Zevakinskiy_BA_I3770
7.819173

[1] "distance%=4.0701"

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,48.8
STEPPE-WEST,36.4
CZECH-EBA,11.2
URAL-SIBERIA,1.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,0.6
HUNS,0.4
TUNGUS,0.2

average Czech

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.296308
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
3.771697
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
4.032208
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
4.149951
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.186125
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
4.220983
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
4.366360
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09569
4.369302

[1] "distance%=2.4316"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,69.6
CZECH-EBA,21.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,1.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
LEVANT,0.6
MINOAN,0.4

average Slovakian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.340197
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.728435
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
4.835424
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
5.005089
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
5.015283
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
5.068581
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3589
5.072950
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7213
5.128422

[1] "distance%=2.6817"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,82
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,6.2
CZECH-EBA,2.4
MINOAN,0.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

average Slovenian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
4.233537
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.534163
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.592429
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.609006
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4891
4.638353
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
4.693534
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.749974
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.784204

[1] "distance%=2.7658"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,53.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,23.4
CZECH-EBA,18.4
MINOAN,1.6
LEVANT,1.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.4

Vasconcelos
12-20-2018, 02:19 PM
How many cycles do you run this calc with?

1000. Using pen=0 on an overfitted model might not be the best course of action though

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 02:33 PM
average Bulgarian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
4.045656
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.433975
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.473812
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
5.118139
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
5.233263
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.256681
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
5.479915
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
5.604562

[1] "distance%=2.4263"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,82.8
LEVANT,4.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,2.8
ARMENIA-EBA,2
MINOAN,1.2
CZECH-EBA,1
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
HUNS,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2
STEPPE,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Romanian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
3.964178
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.071415
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.312830
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
4.334896
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
4.794897
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.813146
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
4.904936
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.988642

[1] "distance%=2.3067"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,84.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4.4
LEVANT,3.2
CZECH-EBA,2.2
ARMENIA-EBA,1
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4
HUNS,0.4
MINOAN,0.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
STEPPE,0.2

average Serbian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.490653
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
4.490697
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
4.689671
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.701766
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.929347
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
5.053631
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.064595
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
5.137613

[1] "distance%=2.9858"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,80.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,10.2
CZECH-EBA,2.6
LEVANT,2.4
ARMENIA-EBA,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.6
MINOAN,0.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Montenegrin

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
3.888544
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.156183
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.286420
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
4.489591
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
4.541922
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
4.604692
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.842411
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
4.876925

[1] "distance%=2.588"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,82
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7.6
LEVANT,2.2
CZECH-EBA,2
MINOAN,1.4
ARMENIA-EBA,1
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1
CENTRAL-ASIA,1
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
STEPPE,0.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Croatian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
4.260847
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.322639
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.498621
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
4.676853
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
4.695015
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.712252
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
4.823585
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.832175

[1] "distance%=2.6959"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,65.8
CZECH-EBA,14.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,14
MINOAN,1.6
LEVANT,1.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.8
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.4
ARMENIA-EBA,0.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4

average Macedonian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
4.296696
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.670699
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.680300
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
5.167596
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.577042
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
5.578520
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
5.650972
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
5.663944


[1] "distance%=3.0142"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,80.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.8
LEVANT,3.8
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.6
ARMENIA-EBA,1.2
CZECH-EBA,1.2
MINOAN,1
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.2
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2

average Bosnian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4945
4.518655
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.603209
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
4.910700
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5529
4.966353
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.109359
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
5.183792
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5017
5.210455
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7275
5.256053


[1] "distance%=3.0068"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,73
CZECH-EBA,13
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7
LEVANT,2.6
ARMENIA-EBA,1.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.4
MINOAN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 03:01 PM
average English

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.704004
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7196
2.873361
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
2.906636
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
2.939043
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I1767
3.015922
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.071823
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
3.147266
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
3.164166

[1] "distance%=1.4277"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,43.6
CZECH-EBA,18.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,15.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,10.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,7.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,2.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.8
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.2

average English_Cornwall

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.685090
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7196
2.764373
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I1767
2.969786
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
3.122760
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
3.143805
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_Southern_France_I3874
3.166026
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
3.170695
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
3.238955

[1] "distance%=1.4932"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,39.8
CZECH-EBA,22.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,21
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,9.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,3.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Scottish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.533375
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
2.820912
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7196
2.829763
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
2.842029
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
2.855107
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
2.977641
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
2.995873
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
3.012397

[1] "distance%=1.2971"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,46
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,17.6
CZECH-EBA,16.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,10.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,5
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.8
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2

average Irish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.698212
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
2.829508
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7196
2.924570
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I6680
2.992779
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
3.062112
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.073307
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I5377
3.114736
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
3.207844

[1] "distance%=1.5469"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,39.2
CZECH-EBA,24
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,19
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,6.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,6.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,0.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.2
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.2
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.2

average Welsh

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7210
2.815171
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7212
2.876413
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.004186
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7269
3.145160
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
3.172587
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I5377
3.228524
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
3.235001
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7251
3.263766

[1] "distance%=1.443"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,68
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,11
CZECH-EBA,7.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,7
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,1.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4

Ayetooey
12-20-2018, 03:39 PM
Here's my half Brit half Serb results (Thanks to Kaspias). Seems my paternal side would have more Minonian than average if I score 21.

[1] "distance%=3.4841"

23_scaled

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,36.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,30.2
MINOAN,21.8
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,11.8

Lemgrant
12-20-2018, 04:02 PM
ok after posting so many results, this is what I noticed

average Swedish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
2.896163

average German_East

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.277133

average Czech

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.296308

average Slovakian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.340197

average Polish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.555993

average Hungarian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
3.925027
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
3.968257
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.117765
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
4.124435
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.181394
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.191154
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.234952

average Ukrainian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.463988

average Russian_Voronez

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.668414

average Slovenian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I3529
4.233537
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4896
4.534163
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
4.592429
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5666
4.609006
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4891
4.638353
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4888
4.693534
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4889
4.749974
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.784204

average Belarusian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.017058

average Russian_Smolensk

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.052751

average Russian_Tver

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.263663

average Estonian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.447868

average Finnish

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
5.418478
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
5.440917
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
5.471823
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.819150

average Lithuanian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.188911

average Russian_Kostroma

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.407689

average Latvian

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC:Spiginas2
5.559314
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.751812

celticdragongod
12-21-2018, 03:14 AM
Sikeliot, with pen=0.001 I'm almost 100% Bell Beaker central European. It's just not possible. That would make me a pure ancient mainland Celt.

Or possibly German.

Lemgrant
12-23-2018, 12:33 AM
average Ingrian
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Sw_BalticProv_en.png/800px-Sw_BalticProv_en.png

nMonte3, pen=0.001

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.004089
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.032968
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
6.065429
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2457
6.332939
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.350988
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
6.485071
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I4076
6.544200
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6580
6.594228

[1] "distance%=3.359"

Ingrian

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,37
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,23.4
CZECH-EBA,16.6
STEPPE-WEST,16.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.4
URAL-SIBERIA,1.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.6
HUNS,0.4
STEPPE,0.4
TUNGUS,0.4

_______________

with pen=0

[1] "distance%=2.5935"

Ingrian

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,47.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,31.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,12.4
TUNGUS,4.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.4
HUNS,1.6

Lemgrant
12-23-2018, 12:48 AM
average Cossack_Kuban

nMonte3, pen=0.001

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
5.470222
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.049542
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.260585
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I2445
6.467672
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5043
6.548146
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I1382
6.731648
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7200
6.748276
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.797528

[1] "distance%=4.1731"

Cossack_Kuban

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,44.4
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,34.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,9
STEPPE-WEST,3.8
CZECH-EBA,3.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.6
URAL-SIBERIA,1
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.6
STEPPE,0.6
HUNS,0.2

________

with pen=0:

[1] "distance%=2.9412"

Cossack_Kuban

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,49.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,20.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,11
STEPPE,6.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,6.2
HUNS,2.4
TUNGUS,1.6
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,1.2
MINOAN,0.6

__________________

average Cossack_Ukrainian

nMonte3, pen=0.001

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
4.581860
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I5044
5.537904
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
5.874582
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
6.093855
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I7201
6.097312
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:Scotland_CA_EBA_I3132
6.224287
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4892
6.225696
CZECH-EBA:Czech_EBA_I4884
6.374759


[1] "distance%=3.8038"

Cossack_Ukrainian

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,42.2
CZECH-EBA,24.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,21
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,11
STEPPE-WEST,0.6
HUNS,0.2
STEPPE,0.2
URAL-SIBERIA,0.2

_____

with pen=0

[1] "distance%=2.891"

Cossack_Ukrainian

CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,57
MINOAN,19.8
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,13.4
CZECH-EBA,4
STEPPE,2.6
TUNGUS,1.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,1.2
HUNS,0.4
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

Lemgrant
12-24-2018, 12:50 AM
nMonte3, pen=0.001

average Spanish_Andalucia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.446236
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.460459
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.287400
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
4.302677
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.706775
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.885646
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
4.994792
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
5.049119

[1] "distance%=1.8615"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,59.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,10.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.2
LEVANT,4.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,3
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,2.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.4
MINOAN,1.4
CZECH-EBA,1
ARMENIA-EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2


average Spanish_Aragon

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.556639
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.725341
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.828801
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.142685
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.335102
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.552125
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.647268
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2462
4.673530

[1] "distance%=1.5416"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,36.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,28.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,5.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,4.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,4.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,4.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,3.6
LEVANT,3.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3
MINOAN,2.4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.2

average Spanish_Baleares

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.070932
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.275307
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
3.646227
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.024963
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
4.202449
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.228159
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
4.710871
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.805294

[1] "distance%=1.2928"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,57.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,10
MINOAN,5
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,4.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,4.2
LEVANT,3.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,3
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.8
CZECH-EBA,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.6
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Spanish_Canarias

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
5.969318
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
6.585954
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
6.857073
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
6.896915
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
7.382231
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
7.492412
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5759
7.714888
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I0461
7.725424

[1] "distance%=4.5275"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,54.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,13.4
LEVANT,8.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,4.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
MINOAN,0.2

average Spanish_Cantabria

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.467949
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
3.820696
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.851926
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.916724
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.037571
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.335044
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.393813
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2462
4.400145

[1] "distance%=1.4543"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,52.2
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,22.6
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,4
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.8
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,1.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,1.8
LEVANT,1.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.8
MINOAN,0.8
CZECH-EBA,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.442775
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.706807
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.736370
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.364394
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.465718
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.661745
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
4.725924
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
4.860182

[1] "distance%=1.3059"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,42.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,23.8
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,6
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,4
LEVANT,3.8
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,3.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.6
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.2
MINOAN,2
CZECH-EBA,1.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
ARMENIA-EBA,0.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.2

average Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.755344
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
4.175914
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
4.469675
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.854223
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
5.018987
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5835
5.184621
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
5.260716
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
5.293629

[1] "distance%=2.3804"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,52.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,20.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5
LEVANT,4.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,3.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.2
ANATOLIA_EBA,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.4
CZECH-EBA,0.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2

average Spanish_Cataluna

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.473032
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.631056
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.919811
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
3.954478
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.176853
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.181393
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.258419
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2462
4.278349

[1] "distance%=1.3292"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,55.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,14.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,7.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.2
LEVANT,3.2
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,3.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1
CZECH-EBA,0.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,0.2

average Spanish_Extremadura

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
4.013716
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.055687
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.618030
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
4.952139
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
5.065197
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
5.108982
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
5.155303
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
5.415325

[1] "distance%=2.4442"


BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,54.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,10.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,8.2
LEVANT,5.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,4.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,3
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,2.4
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.2
CZECH-EBA,1.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,1
ARMENIA-EBA,0.8
MINOAN,0.6
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Spanish_Galicia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
4.386462
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.693338
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.770892
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.895757
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.947202
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
5.059336
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6591
5.336376
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I0461
5.377627

[1] "distance%=2.1307"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,48.4
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,28.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,7
LEVANT,4.6
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,1.8
MINOAN,1.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.8
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,0.6
CENTRAL-ASIA,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.2
STEPPE-WEST,0.2

average Spanish_Murcia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.899232
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.916225
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
4.388738
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.712641
BEAKERS-HUNGARY:Beaker_Hungary_I2364
4.777126
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.835009
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.896938
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
5.264535

[1] "distance%=1.626"

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,44.8
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,19.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,5.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,5
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,4.6
LEVANT,4.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,3.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,2.6
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,2.6
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.8
MINOAN,1.8
CZECH-EBA,1.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN,1.2
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,0.8
ARMENIA-EBA,0.2
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.2
CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN,0.2
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.2
INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION,0.2

average Spanish_Pais_Vasco

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
3.339396
BRITAIN-CA-EBA:England_CA_EBA_I2462
3.942342
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I5665
4.247084
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Iberia_I6623
4.439506
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5835
4.441496
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.480490
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7283
4.593526
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
4.795742

[1] "distance%=1.7089"

BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,52.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,16.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,10.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,5.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,4.2
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,4
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,2.8
CZECH-EBA,2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,1.2
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.6
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4

average Spanish_Valencia

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY:Beaker_Northern_Italy_I2478
2.985419
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5524
3.347958
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_E09538
3.962768
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4885
4.425802
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I3590
4.556450
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5520
4.597711
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6581
4.729371
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I4887
4.921912


[1] "distance%=1.7827"

BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,47.4
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,26.8
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS,4.4
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,2.8
LEVANT,2.6
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,2.6
MINOAN,2.2
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,2
CZECH-EBA,1.6
ANATOLIA_EBA,1.4
PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA,1.2
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,0.6
ARMENIA-EBA,0.4
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.4
BACTRIA-MARGIANA,0.2

Lemgrant
12-25-2018, 11:53 AM
average Sweden_Viking_Age

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7281
2.932863
BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS:Beaker_The_Netherlands_I5750
3.303346
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I7249
3.402676
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I6583
3.463280
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5379
3.575568
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I6679
3.588317
BEAKERS-BRITAIN:Beaker_Britain_I5512
3.598341
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN:Beaker_Central_Europe_I5531
3.647962

[1] "distance%=2.1093"

Sweden_Viking_Age

BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,53.8
BEAKERS-BRITAIN,27.6
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,12.4
CZECH-EBA,2.6
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,1.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,0.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,0.4
NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS,0.4
NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS,0.4


result with pen=0:

[1] "distance%=1.9047"

Sweden_Viking_Age

BEAKERS-BRITAIN,25.4
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,18.6
BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY,17.8
CZECH-EBA,13.6
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN,11.8
CORDED-WARE-BALTIC,8.8
BEAKERS-HUNGARY,3.8
MINOAN,0.2

Beowulf
07-24-2023, 05:05 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.088% / 0.00877669
23.1 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
21.2 BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS
19.4 MINOAN
17.0 BRITAIN-CA-EBA
10.2 PRE-STEPPE-IBERIA
6.2 BEAKERS-HUNGARY
1.4 BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY
0.9 IBEROMAURUSIAN
0.6 BEAKERS-BRITAIN

vader
07-24-2023, 07:13 PM
Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 1.4305% / 0.01430467
22.4 BRITAIN-CA-EBA
22.0 NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS
17.4 BEAKERS-BRITAIN
14.8 MINOAN
8.4 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
7.6 IBEROMAURUSIAN
4.6 BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY
2.8 CZECH-EBA


Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.2085% / 0.01208522
42.0 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
13.0 NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS
11.0 NO-STEPPE-IBERIAN-BEAKERS
10.0 STEPPE-WEST
9.0 MINOAN
6.8 IBEROMAURUSIAN
5.0 BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS
1.2 BEAKERS-HUNGARY
1.0 BEAKERS-BRITAIN
1.0 CORDED-WARE-SWEDEN

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.3025% / 0.01302495
20.6 BEAKERS-BRITAIN
20.2 NO-STEPPE-CENTRAL-EUROPEANS
14.4 BEAKERS-CENTRAL-EUROPEAN
12.2 MINOAN
11.0 BEAKERS-IBERIA-ITALY
7.4 IBEROMAURUSIAN
7.2 BEAKERS-NETHERLANDS
4.2 BRITAIN-CA-EBA
2.2 CENTRAL-ASIA
0.6 INDUS-VALLEY-CIVILIZATION