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Bosniensis
12-20-2018, 11:00 AM
After reading some books about migrations I've figured that Rome was run by people who belonged to Cardium Pottery culture.

The reason why I think so is because stories narrated by foreign nations (various) align with migrations of Neolithic peoples.

Does anyone share that opinion?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cardial_map.png

Ryuk
12-20-2018, 11:20 AM
Name of "Rome" came from Etruscan language,so this is true that Rome founded by neolithic-descented people.

Bosniensis
12-20-2018, 11:29 AM
Name of "Rome" came from Etruscan language,so this is true that Rome founded by neolithic-descented people.

Imagine this, Roman historians mention that Romans came from Lydia (Anatolia), Argos (Greece) and that they have mixed with ancient Syrians (probably Hattians, Hittite) etc..

And when you check that map in OP you see Syria (Lebanon) area-> Argos area -> Italy.

Really interesting.

Ryuk
12-20-2018, 11:39 AM
Imagine this, Roman historians mention that Romans came from Lydia (Anatolia), Argos (Greece) and that they have mixed with ancient Syrians (probably Hattians, Hittite) etc..

And when you check that map in OP you see Syria (Lebanon) area-> Argos area -> Italy.

Really interesting.

You're wrong about this.
The" cardium pottery " culture was derived from Anatolian Neolithic.It has nothing to do with Levant Neolithic.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150902191352.htm

Bosniensis
12-20-2018, 11:41 AM
You're wrong about this.
The" cardium pottery " culture was derived from Anatolian Neolithic.It has nothing to do with Levant Neolithic.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/09/150902191352.htm

Anatolian Neolithic people were Neo-Assyrians later (a lot of them) and Levantines are Assyrians (Syrians) so it does make sense.

Even if Etruscans came from Lydia (Anatolia) it's still levantine influenced never the less.

Ryuk
12-20-2018, 11:51 AM
Assyrian came Anatolia in Middle bronze age,not neolithic Era.Also Cardium pottery genetically similar to early neolitic Anatolian,and Anatolian neolithic genetically distinct from Zagros and Levant neolithics.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886&ved=2ahUKEwjwq7fouK7fAhWhiIsKHb6pArcQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3Rc7OGd5T6-eYd1uDglh79&cshid=1545310161681

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327788563_Late_Pleistocene_human_genome_suggests_a _local_origin_for_the_first_farmers_of_central_Ana tolia&ved=2ahUKEwitqs25ua7fAhWQo4sKHWpKDWYQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1AOvLoh5Z6sWYhs3HZDslT&cshid=1545310305816

Bosniensis
12-20-2018, 11:55 AM
Assyrian came Anatolia in Middle bronze age,not neolithic Era.Also Cardium pottery genetically similar to early neolitic Anatolian,and Anatolian neolithic genetically distinct from Zagros and Levant neolithics.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.pnas.org/content/113/25/6886&ved=2ahUKEwjwq7fouK7fAhWhiIsKHb6pArcQFjAOegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3Rc7OGd5T6-eYd1uDglh79&cshid=1545310161681

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327788563_Late_Pleistocene_human_genome_suggests_a _local_origin_for_the_first_farmers_of_central_Ana tolia&ved=2ahUKEwitqs25ua7fAhWQo4sKHWpKDWYQFjABegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw1AOvLoh5Z6sWYhs3HZDslT&cshid=1545310305816

Well you beat me.

What is your opinon on Etruscans and their potential descendants?

Do you see them as Anatolians?

Ryuk
12-20-2018, 12:36 PM
Well you beat me.

What is your opinon on Etruscans and their potential descendants?

Do you see them as Anatolians?

Etruscan derived from neolithic farmers.The idea of bronze age west Anatolian exodus is clearly another host caused by one of the many errors of heredotus.

Heredotus was very great man,but his history contain various errors,most crazy one I think the egyptian origin for kartvelian peoples.He even wrote the name of so-called egyptian king and his journey to caucasia.But we now know that the reason for this confusion is that the name of one of the kartvelian tribe was likened to the name of the Egyptians by the Greeks,and Herodotus had invented a journey from that mistake.

Also other ancient historian wrote the native origin of Etruscan in Italian peninsula.


The theory of Herodotus that the Etruscans had Bronze Age origins in Western Anatolian was rejected by his contemporary Greek Historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus for a variety of solid linguistic and religious culture grounds even at the time it was offered. A Bronze Age migration from Western Anatolian also suffers from the fact that Western Anatolia would have been a linguistically Indo-European area (not consistent with the non-Indo-European Etruscan language) for most of the Bronze Age. Genetic evidence, including the latest mtDNA evidence discussed below, also disfavors the hypothesis offered by Herodotus.

The Lemnian language of the Aegean Sea spoken on that island until the 6th century BCE, which was not within the range of the Cardium Pottery culture, is also proposed (convicingly) to be part of that language family. One plausible hypothesis is that it may represent an eastern colony of the Tyrsenian, aka Cardium Pottery Neolitic descended, culture. It might even have been founded in response to the migration pushes that caused the Etruscans to migrate from the Alps to Tuscanny. Archaeological evidence suggests that Tysenian language family speakers may have arrived around the 9th century BCE. The island is also associated with the center of the cult of Hephaestus, the god of metallurgy, whose secret mystery rituals may have been conducted in a non-Greek language. It could be that this cult arrived with the Tyrsenian colonists and that their metalworking trade is what secured their acceptance in this community.


And yes apperantly I see Etruscan as Anatolian.