Are Gaza Strip's population mostly indigenous, or are they Egyptian, Arabian, and SSA?

[Sikeliot]

When I see Palestinian Christians and many Israeli Arabs, it is obvious that even with having some Arabian ancestry, they're mostly indigenous Levantine and look like the Lebanese. Some even pass in Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, etc.

When I see pictures of people from Gaza, they don't look Levantine in the slightest, almost no one looks even remotely passable in Europe, and many look indistinguishable from Egyptians, with clear East African influence. Some even pass in Ethiopia.

Does anyone have any GEDMatch results, evidence from studies, etc. on their origins?

https://www.trbimg.com/img-5abf7e96/turbine/ct-israel-gaza-clashes-20180330
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/10/hamas_2.jpg
https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2017/12/6/9257f4982d7d43d99deb7bbfe9d84916_18.jpg
http://www.utusan.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.52142.1422122930!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/2018.04.01gaza.JPG
http://www.asianews.it/files/img/size3/PALESTINA_-_proteste_a_gaza_ok_(600_x_400).jpg
https://cdn.thewire.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/31105833/2018-03-31T031720Z_1_LYNXMPEE2U02V_RTROPTP_4_ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS-PROTESTS-1.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20140711/eca86bd9e0d115297d3903.jpg
https://images.hamodia.com/hamod-uploads/2018/01/17191020/AP_17349423794780-1024x683.jpg
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/01/000_JX0XW.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P398T3/gaza-city-gaza-strip-palestinian-territory-18th-june-2018-people-chant-slogans-during-a-protest-calling-on-president-mahmoud-abbas-to-end-financial-sanctions-on-palestinians-in-gaza-in-gaza-city-on-june-18-2018-demonstrators-called-fatah-and-hamas-movements-to-reconcile-credit-mahmoud-ajourapa-imageszuma-wirealamy-live-news-P398T3.jpg

[Leto]

Yes, true. In this case it's definitely true that Islam made the region significantly darker.

[Haider]

Well, Gaza is basically in the Sinai, which has been inhabited by Bedouins since ancient times.

Culturally they are closer to Egypt and speak Egyptian Arabic.

[Kamal900]

Well, Gaza is basically in the Sinai, which has been inhabited by Bedouins since ancient times.

Culturally they are closer to Egypt and speak Egyptian Arabic.

But the genetic Gedmatch results that you posted portrays them in being half Levantine half Bedouin. Sure, they maybe more Arabian and Egyptian genetically than say those from the Galilee like myself..but they're still Palestinians.

[Haider]

But the genetic Gedmatch results that you posted portrays them in being half Levantine half Bedouin. Sure, they maybe more Arabian and Egyptian genetically than say those from the Galilee like myself..but they're still Palestinians.

Exactly. What I mean is their elevated Bedouin ancestry is expected given the region's history and location.

[Sikeliot]

But the genetic Gedmatch results that you posted portrays them in being half Levantine half Bedouin. Sure, they maybe more Arabian and Egyptian genetically than say those from the Galilee like myself..but they're still Palestinians.

I have never seen a Gazan GEDMatch result. Can you provide their kit #?

[King Niko]

The population is mostly native, I am sure outlying people's over decades probably mixed... lol

kinda like a black male and tiny asian in usa

[Kamal900]

I have never seen a Gazan GEDMatch result. Can you provide their kit #?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?254373-Gaza-Palestinian-Gedmatch-result!

[Skjaldemjøden]

Palestinian Christians are a tiny minority (0.97% of the population according to the latest Palestinian census) and on top of that divided into several sects with different ethnic backgrounds.

[Sikeliot]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?254373-Gaza-Palestinian-Gedmatch-result!

Looks roughly half indigenous, half migrant.

[Leto]

I have never seen a Gazan GEDMatch result. Can you provide their kit #?
They might be similar to these supposed Syrians (up to 10% black)

Kit Number: Z939203
Name: Syria1

Kit Number: Z100122
Name: Syria2

Kit Number: Z655405
Name: Syria3

Kit Number: Z341533
Name: Syria4

Kit Number: Z745783
Name: Syria6

Kit Number: Z504666
Name: Syria5

Kit Number: Z439164
Name: Syria7

Kit Number: Z287882
Name: Syria8

[Kamal900]

Looks roughly half indigenous, half migrant.

I told you so, rofl.

[Ayetooey]

Pretty sure they're a mix of Egyptian and native, from what I've read many Gazans can trace recent roots to Egypt, though I doubt many are 100% Egyptian; they certainly look different to other Palestinians who look and genetically are more or less fully native levantine.

[Sikeliot]

I told you so, rofl.

What I just wonder is why Palestinians don't embrace an indigenous identity like Lebanese do. While genetically Palestinians are mostly indigenous or at least partly so for Gazans, I would say that indigenous identity would be bolstered by a distancing of themselves from an "Arab" identity and embracing a Canaanite one.

It is for a similar reason I say I am Sicilian American and not Italian ;)

[Ayetooey]

What I just wonder is why Palestinians don't embrace an indigenous identity like Lebanese do. While genetically Palestinians are mostly indigenous or at least partly so for Gazans, I would say that indigenous identity would be bolstered by a distancing of themselves from an "Arab" identity and embracing a Canaanite one.

It is for a similar reason I say I am Sicilian American and not Italian ;)

I agree with what you're saying to an extent, but Palestinians shouldn't need to bolster a Canaanite identity just to justify living in their own native lands which are being occupied by foreign invaders. The Zionist spin on the whole situation is too strong anyway, everyday you hear Zionist backing politicians or pro Zion supporters saying "Palestinians are invaders from Saudi Arabia", they've managed to trick many people.

[Kamal900]

Pretty sure they're a mix of Egyptian and native, from what I've read many Gazans can trace recent roots to Egypt, though I doubt many are 100% Egyptian; they certainly look different to other Palestinians who look and genetically are more or less fully native levantine.

The same's true in the west bank and some parts of Acre or the Galilee. This Palestinian is from Acre, and yet, he looks very Egyptian. This look is common there and in the WB:
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41491167_269167040601101_335690705370349568_n.jpg? _nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=01448631cbce643967d5339c541b82b1&oe=5CCF47B2

[Kamal900]

What I just wonder is why Palestinians don't embrace an indigenous identity like Lebanese do. While genetically Palestinians are mostly indigenous or at least partly so for Gazans, I would say that indigenous identity would be bolstered by a distancing of themselves from an "Arab" identity and embracing a Canaanite one.

It is for a similar reason I say I am Sicilian American and not Italian ;)

Because we're proud to be Arabs, that's why.

[Babak]

What I just wonder is why Palestinians don't embrace an indigenous identity like Lebanese do. While genetically Palestinians are mostly indigenous or at least partly so for Gazans, I would say that indigenous identity would be bolstered by a distancing of themselves from an "Arab" identity and embracing a Canaanite one.

It is for a similar reason I say I am Sicilian American and not Italian ;)

Then we should embrace an elamite identity too dawg

[Leto]

What I just wonder is why Palestinians don't embrace an indigenous identity like Lebanese do. While genetically Palestinians are mostly indigenous or at least partly so for Gazans, I would say that indigenous identity would be bolstered by a distancing of themselves from an "Arab" identity and embracing a Canaanite one.

It is for a similar reason I say I am Sicilian American and not Italian ;)
Muslims around the world tend to be obsessed with Arabic stuff, so what do you expect from Middle Eastern Muslims. Lebanon is like 40% Christian or at least used to be not long ago and it's significantly Westernized as well.

[Haider]

They do teach in Palestinian schools that Palestinians descend from Canaanites, but that Canaanites were Arabs.

[Kamal900]

They do teach in Palestinian schools that Palestinians descend from Canaanites, but that Canaanites were Arabs.

Lol, they weren't Arabs, but at least it's better than nothing, I guess.

[Haider]

Looks roughly half indigenous, half migrant.

No, it looks 100% indigenous to Gaza. Gaza was historically more connected to Egypt and the Sinai, it was never like Samaritans or Levant genetically.

[Kamal900]

No, it looks 100% indigenous to Gaza. Gaza was historically more connected to Egypt and the Sinai, it was never like Samaritans or Levant genetically.

You're right. Gaza and the Negev desert already had a very large Arab and Egyptian group even back in pre-Islamic times. Yes, Egyptian and Arab elements are very important to us Palestinians in terms of culture, ancestry and genepool.

[Haider]

You're right. Gaza and the Negev desert already had a very large Arab and Egyptian group even back in pre-Islamic times. Yes, Egyptian and Arab elements are very important to us Palestinians in terms of culture, ancestry and genepool.

The ancient Egyptians already mentioned Bedouins in the Sinai and Negev, who were probably the first inhabitants since the region was not populated before them.

[Sikeliot]

They do teach in Palestinian schools that Palestinians descend from Canaanites, but that Canaanites were Arabs.

Canaanites were actually closely related to Arabs, but they were not Arabs.

[Sikeliot]

The same's true in the west bank and some parts of Acre or the Galilee. This Palestinian is from Acre, and yet, he looks very Egyptian. This look is common there and in the WB:
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41491167_269167040601101_335690705370349568_n.jpg? _nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=01448631cbce643967d5339c541b82b1&oe=5CCF47B2

I don't think he looks Egyptian, but like a very dark Portuguese or something.

[Kamal900]

The ancient Egyptians already mentioned Bedouins in the Sinai and Negev, who were probably the first inhabitants since the region was not populated before them.

Ahmad al Jallad confirm their presence even back in pre-Islamic times. Gaza already had great contacts with Egypt ever since the times of Narmer, the first pharoah of united Egypt, back more than 5,000 years, so it's not like Arabs or Egyptians for that matter were strangers in the Southern Levant. Muhammed Ali Pasha brought more than 50,000 Egyptians and even the Sudanese to Palestine which had a population of 300,000 which were spread all over Palestine. I have Berber, Arabian, Lebanese shi3a and Greek ancestries myself and happycow, another Palestinian member from the West Bank, had great deal of Egyptian, Arabian and local Levantine ancestries. Here are our G25 results you can see for yourself:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271698-My-G25-coordiniates-have-arrived!&p=5676872&viewfull=1#post5676872
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?271853-happycow-s-G25-results

[Kamal900]

I don't think he looks Egyptian, but like a very dark Portuguese or something.

Huh? He looks uber Egyptian, rofl.

[Sikeliot]

Huh? He looks uber Egyptian, rofl.

That isn't the look I think of as Egyptian. To me Egyptian is more like this:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B8YX9F/egyptian-man-in-traditional-dress-cairo-egypt-B8YX9F.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CPHMHP/portrait-of-egyptian-arab-men-hurghada-egyp-africa-CPHMHP.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/portrait-happy-egyptian-man-old-city-market-sharm-el-sheikh-egypt-sharm-el-sheikh-egypt-may-portrait-happy-egyptian-man-old-125519755.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

many of them are recent migrants from egypt and it shows

[Kamal900]

That isn't the look I think of as Egyptian. To me Egyptian is more like this:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B8YX9F/egyptian-man-in-traditional-dress-cairo-egypt-B8YX9F.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CPHMHP/portrait-of-egyptian-arab-men-hurghada-egyp-africa-CPHMHP.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/portrait-happy-egyptian-man-old-city-market-sharm-el-sheikh-egypt-sharm-el-sheikh-egypt-may-portrait-happy-egyptian-man-old-125519755.jpg

The first guy is Aegyptid and Asiatic Alpine while the other two clearly have SSA admixture. The guy I posted clearly looks Southern Med without the excess amount of SSA.

[Sikeliot]

The first guy is Aegyptid and Asiatic Alpine while the other two clearly have SSA admixture. The guy I posted clearly looks Southern Med without the excess amount of SSA.

Don't Egyptians have around 20% SSA usually?

[Kamal900]

Don't Egyptians have around 20% SSA usually?

Not all of them look like the last two guys you posted. We Palestinians look more closer to Lower and many Upper Egyptians than we are to Europe as a whole. I've been to Egypt myself, and most wouldn't stand out at least in the Southern Levant and Southern Lebanon.

[Leto]

Some even pass in Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, etc.

I don't think he looks Egyptian, but like a very dark Portuguese or something.
Lol. Couldn't help but laugh :lol:

[Tooting Carmen]

The Council of Gaza City. They look fairly standard Levantine to me: https://www.gaza-city.org/index.php?page=Vm1wR1UxTnJOVlpOVm1oVVlteEtWbGx0ZEV 0alJsWjBZMGhPYWsxWGVEQlVWbHBMVlZaV1ZVMUVhejA9

[Haider]

Canaanites were actually closely related to Arabs, but they were not Arabs.

I know. Apart from modern Levantines, Saudis seem to be closely related to Canaanites.

[Sikeliot]

I know. Apart from modern Levantines, Saudis seem to be closely related to Canaanites.

So this does mean that Jews, Phoenicians, Edomites, etc. were close cousins of Arabs. It makes it difficult to tell how much of Levantine ancestry is native versus Arab, and it also makes it difficult to distinguish Phoenician ancestry in Sicily from Arab conquest era ancestry that is not North African (though even to some extent North Africans/Berbers have ancestry that is linked to SW Asia).

[Tooting Carmen]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?272121-Outside-the-Levant-where-can-these-councillors-from-Gaza-City-pass

[Lafaur]

Bunch of entitled desert-wanderers

[happycow]

Bunch of entitled desert-wanderers

Lolz

[Lafaur]

Lolz

You better explain that lolz beffore I turn you into a sadcow, nigga, I ain't playin'

[happycow]

You better explain that lolz beffore I turn you into a sadcow, nigga, I ain't playin'

just found the comment funny. :) I had a Jewish friend back in high school and we always messed around and threw insults at each other when it came to the whole Palestinian Israeli conflict.

[Sacrificed Ram]

The only true is jews aren't indigenous of Israel. Abraham was iraqi.
https://www.bible-history.com/maps/4-Abraham-journey-2l.jpg
Immigrants...

[StonyArabia]

So this does mean that Jews, Phoenicians, Edomites, etc. were close cousins of Arabs. It makes it difficult to tell how much of Levantine ancestry is native versus Arab, and it also makes it difficult to distinguish Phoenician ancestry in Sicily from Arab conquest era ancestry that is not North African (though even to some extent North Africans/Berbers have ancestry that is linked to SW Asia).

Yes they were very close to the Arabian tribes, but what makes it difficult, there was always Arabian tribes coming into the Southern Levant and Mesopotamia. Arabian tribes like the Kedarites have already moved during antiquity into Mesopotamia and the Levant, where many of them settled. There is also other tribes like the Nabatean, Tankhuids and Tayy who also settled in the Levant and Mesopotamia. This then was followed by the Ethiopian destruction of the Marib Dam in Yemen which made the Ghassanids and the Lakhmids to flee. The Ghassanids totally outbred themselves with other Christian communities and heavily intermixed with the Byzantine elite as well. Well the Lakhmids who had wished for a united Arab nation, saw the opportunity to convert to Islam, and can have a dream of united Arab nation, thus their conversion to Islam willingly. They even acted as spies. It's indeed very difficult to quantify how much Arabian admix has happened. It should be noted that in the first initial Arab conquest it was mostly male warriors, however shortly afterwards whole tribes moved in with their women and children, this can be found in the Arab chronicles.

[Kamal900]

Yes they were very close to the Arabian tribes, but what makes it difficult, there was always Arabian tribes coming into the Southern Levant and Mesopotamia. Arabian tribes like the Kedarites have already moved during antiquity into Mesopotamia and the Levant, where many of them settled. There is also other tribes like the Nabatean, Tankhuids and Tayy who also settled in the Levant and Mesopotamia. This then was followed by the Ethiopian destruction of the Marib Dam in Yemen which made the Ghassanids and the Lakhmids to flee. The Ghassanids totally outbred themselves with other Christian communities and heavily intermixed with the Byzantine elite as well. Well the Lakhmids who had wished for a united Arab nation, saw the opportunity to convert to Islam, and can have a dream of united Arab nation, thus their conversion to Islam willingly. They even acted as spies. It's indeed very difficult to quantify how much Arabian admix has happened. It should be noted that in the first initial Arab conquest it was mostly male warriors, however shortly afterwards whole tribes moved in with their women and children, this can be found in the Arab chronicles.

Agreed. I used to think that I had no Arabian ancestry because of my phenotype, but it turns out that I am part Arabian(more than 8%) and more than 17% Berber/Mozabite and Caucasian shifted Levantine genetically than say Palestinian Christians.

[StonyArabia]

Agreed. I used to think that I had no Arabian ancestry because of my phenotype, but it turns out that I am part Arabian(more than 8%) and more than 17% Berber/Mozabite and Caucasian shifted Levantine genetically than say Palestinian Christians.

Well that shows that swarthy skin, dark eyes and hair are not indicators of Arabian admixture, although for the most part they do point to it or gives clue about it. However your light features can come from your European and Caucasian shift, as well climate plays a role, people often underestimate this effect. However despite swarthy skin, dark eyes, and hair are often good indicators of Arabian ancestry, they don't really have to point to it, but rather to the original people before they got intermixed with other groups, and hence less swarthy or climate influence. It also shows those regions are heavily intertwined. Iraqi/Syrian Bedouins are almost nearly identical to Saudis. For example the first Mamluke who was female differed from all Mamlukes by having swarthy skin, dark black eyes, and raven black hair, clearly indicate her origins, which was Arabian, she had no knowledge of Turkic or Armenian at all, but spoke Arabic she understood classical Arabic and spoke an interesting dialect, and thus most historians come to the consensus she was a Bedouin origins from the Syrian Desert, Shajar Al-Durr. She was also a great horseman and imprisoned the French king and made them pay tribute which was awesome. If she is from the Syrian Desert she is from my people which is great, to see how she captured the invader and imprisoned him and put them in their place of taking tributes. I am proud to be Bedouin, and if these Gazans are of Bedouin stock then they have a lot to be proud off.

[Levant15]

Christians look typical Levantines...

https://youtu.be/KpVmXSqBAh0
https://youtu.be/mJLxjNHj1p8

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[Leto]

Christians look typical Levantines...

https://youtu.be/KpVmXSqBAh0
https://youtu.be/mJLxjNHj1p8

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1st video, the girl on the left at 0:17 looks mixed to me. Does she to you?

[Levant15]

1st video, the girl on the left at 0:17 looks mixed to me. Does she to you?Yeah she'll pass better as a Copt

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[Selurong]

The only true is jews aren't indigenous of Israel. Abraham was iraqi.
https://www.bible-history.com/maps/4-Abraham-journey-2l.jpg
Immigrants...Aren't Palestinians themselves originally descended from Greek colonists from the Agean who mixed with Native Canaanites?

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[Sacrificed Ram]

Aren't Palestinians themselves originally descended from Greek colonists from the Agean who mixed with Native Canaanites?

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Canaanites are a mix of natufians and iranian chalcolitics.
https://phoenicia.org/Canaanite-Phoenician-DNA-in-Modern-Lebanese.html
Before natufians humans were just nomad hunther-gathers, natufians were the first humans with a relatively fixed settlement, the first city, Jericho, was natufian.

[Profileid]

The population is mostly native, I am sure outlying people's over decades probably mixed... lol

kinda like a black male and tiny asian in usa

nice to see you still check in every once in awhile. hope you are doing well-Etain

[Tauromachos]

When I see Palestinian Christians and many Israeli Arabs, it is obvious that even with having some Arabian ancestry, they're mostly indigenous Levantine and look like the Lebanese. Some even pass in Sicily, Malta, Cyprus, etc.

When I see pictures of people from Gaza, they don't look Levantine in the slightest, almost no one looks even remotely passable in Europe, and many look indistinguishable from Egyptians, with clear East African influence. Some even pass in Ethiopia.

Does anyone have any GEDMatch results, evidence from studies, etc. on their origins?

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vladimir-putin-laughing.gif

[Levant15]

31.4% Middle Eastern
26.5% North African
22.6% West Asian
13.5% Yemenite Jew
5.7% Ashkenazi and SSA


The major difference from Palestinian Christians is Gazans score 10-15 % more in each of North Africa and Yemenite Jewish.

https://youtu.be/wTRcb1jRoxQ

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[wvwvw]

All of the groups you named i.e Egyptians, Arabs are indigenous to Palestine ever since antiquity.

Another indigenous people to Palestine, and probably the oldest are the Greeks after whom Palestine is named.

All these different people make up the Palestinian people.

[wvwvw]

Aren't Palestinians themselves originally descended from Greek colonists from the Agean who mixed with Native Canaanites?

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Yes however Egyptians and Arabs are also natives there since antiquity.

[Profileid]

All of the groups you named i.e Egyptians, Arabs are indigenous to Palestine ever since antiquity.

Another indigenous people to Palestine, and probably the oldest are the Greeks after whom Palestine is named.

All these different people make up the Palestinian people.

are you saying palestinians have greek blood?

[Tauromachos]

are you saying palestinians have greek blood?

She is refering to the ancient Philistines who had probably origin from
from Crete or Cyprus or possibly even from pre classic South Mainland Greece

[Sacrificed Ram]

Philistines greeks?

Philistines had a chariot based warfare, greeks never used this warfare. Also philistines had a more advanced metallurgy then greeks of that time. If Philistines really existed, they could have only an anatolian origin.

[StonyArabia]

Gazans are mostly Negev Bedouins and yes they have tribal ties to the Sinai to lesser extent and other Bedouin tribes. The other Gazans were Palestinians displaced from other localities by Israel.