The Germans are closer genetically of the Spaniards or the Russians?

[Ruggery]

Genetically who the Germans are closer to?

[TheMaestro]

Turkics

[Ruggery]

Turkics

Great, but let the trolling for another moment or thread right now I would like a serious opinion.

[Sikeliot]

Western and southern Germany to Spain. East Germans have affinity to Slavs probably more Poland and not Russia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

russia?

[Ruggery]

Western and southern Germany to Spain. East Germans have affinity to Slavs probably more Poland and not Russia.

And the north of Germany and Bavaria to whom is closer?

[Token]

West Germans are closer to westernmost Russian than to Spaniards, but closer to Spaniards than to anything east of Kostroma.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Russian_Kursk Russian_Smolensk Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.647629 6.723472 6.826005
Spanish_Andalucia Russian_Kostroma
7.115731 8.223630

[Borealis]

Russians slightly I think.

[cyberlorian]

Russians.

[Proud Celt]

And the north of Germany and Bavaria to whom is closer?

Bavarians are South Germans. However, I think there are more closer to Russians, because many Bavarians have some Czech Ancestry.

[Phenix]

Slightly closer to Russians, still it's highly debatable.

[brucewillis]

russia, since they have a great germanic (viking) influence (kievan rus)

[Ruggery]

Bavarians are South Germans. However, I think there are more closer to Russians, because many Bavarians have some Czech Ancestry.

And the Germans who do not have Czech ancestry, the real ethnic Germans are closer to?

[Not a Cop]

West Germans are closer to westernmost Russian than to Spaniards, but closer to Spaniards than to anything east of Kostroma.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Russian_Kursk Russian_Smolensk Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
6.647629 6.723472 6.826005
Spanish_Andalucia Russian_Kostroma
7.115731 8.223630

Kostroma is itself a very Eastern population.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Kostroma is itself a very Eastern population.

Why ? It is only 300km northwest of Moscow, geographically it is not eastern by Russian standards.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Map_of_Russia_-_Kostroma_Oblast.svg/1200px-Map_of_Russia_-_Kostroma_Oblast.svg.png

[lonewolfcypriot]

Germans and Russians are both Northern Europeans so they will obviously have a great amount of genetic affinity whilst the Spanish are Southern Europeans which have a high genetic affinity with other Southern Europeans.

[Tauromachos]

Closer to Mainland Greeks i think

kleenex can be modelled as 75% South Italian +25% Austrian

[Not a Cop]

Why ? It is only 300km northwest of Moscow, geographically it is not eastern by Russian standards.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Map_of_Russia_-_Kostroma_Oblast.svg/1200px-Map_of_Russia_-_Kostroma_Oblast.svg.png

300km North-East.

And it's what many people fail to realise about Russian populational history is that core russian territories are limited to NW part of modern-day Russia, rest is been colonised by a mixture from all of the regions.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/8/83/Russians_Zones_of_Anthrotypes.PNG
Southern parts were taken from Nomadic tribes when technology advance gave russians the upper hand and nomadic tribes were forced out of the Steppe, and Siberia and Far east were taken when long distance travels became more easy and need for natural resourses appeared.

Southern parts experienced complete population change as lifestyles were too different and in the East, except for Volga-Ural region natives were too small in numbers to make any impact on genetics of colonists. Although South was colonised mainly by southern and central Russians and East by Northerners later immigration from mainland shifted demographics of the East towards more South-Central populations.

[alnortedelsur]

Not sure about Germans as a whole, but southern Germans are closer to Spaniards than to Russians for sure.

[nittionia]

north germany to denmark and netherlands

[alnortedelsur]

Germans and Russians are both Northern Europeans so they will obviously have a great amount of genetic affinity whilst the Spanish are Southern Europeans which have a high genetic affinity with other Southern Europeans.

Southern Europeans are not a "separate race" from other Europeans.

Europe is a continuum, genetically speaking, and the closeness of any European population to another is directly proportional to their geographic closeness. no matter if they are north or south, east or west from each other.

[Kamal900]

Southern Europeans are not a "separate race" from other Europeans.

Europe is a continuum, genetically speaking, and the closeness of any European population to another is directly proportional to their geographic closeness. no matter if they are north or south, east or west from each other.

Agreed.

[Leto]

300km North-East.

And it's what many people fail to realise about Russian populational history is that core russian territories are limited to NW part of modern-day Russia, rest is been colonised by a mixture from all of the regions.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/8/83/Russians_Zones_of_Anthrotypes.PNG
Southern parts were taken from Nomadic tribes when technology advance gave russians the upper hand and nomadic tribes were forced out of the Steppe, and Siberia and Far east were taken when long distance travels became more easy and need for natural resourses appeared.

Southern parts experienced complete population change as lifestyles were too different and in the East, except for Volga-Ural region natives were too small in numbers to make any impact on genetics of colonists. Although South was colonised mainly by southern and central Russians and East by Northerners later immigration from mainland shifted demographics of the East towards more South-Central populations.
Good response, I largely agree. Also, Ukrainian immigration has been significant for more than a century. Particularly to the South and to parts of Siberia and the Far East. Siberian Russians are sometimes admixed with local groups though (Altai, Khakas, Buryat, etc.). I'm talking more about older settlements ('starozhily'), not post-WWII urban centers.

By the way, my brother-in-law's maternal side is all from NE Yaroslavl oblast, not far from Kostroma, and he is clearly Northern-shifted. Now guess what people would be like around Galich and eastwards. Probably straight up Northeastern like my maternal side.

[Peterski]

Good response, I largely agree. Also, Ukrainian immigration has been significant for more than a century. Particularly to the South and to parts of Siberia and the Far East. Siberian Russians are sometimes admixed with local groups though (Altai, Khakas, Buryat, etc.). I'm talking more about older settlements ('starozhily'), not post-WWII urban centers.

Ukrainians who settled in Southern Russia - which regions of Ukraine did they come from?

[alnortedelsur]

Agreed.

But some people keep on portraying southern Europeans as a "separate race" from other Europeans, lol :picard1:

They don't understand that there is not a North/south divide among Europeans, but a continuum.

[Ruggery]

north germany to denmark and netherlands

What?

[Nayalar]

LO ENTENDEMOS: los españoles son mediterraneos, gente más morena en general. No hay necesidad de recalcarlo todo el tiempo con estos posts recalcitrantes.

[Ruggery]

Closer to Mainland Greeks i think

kleenex can be modelled as 75% South Italian +25% Austrian

The Germans closer to the Greeks than the populations of the poll?
I do not know, that does not seem very true to me.

[Ruggery]

LO ENTENDEMOS: los españoles son mediterraneos, gente más morena en general. No hay necesidad de recalcarlo todo el tiempo con estos posts recalcitrantes.

Si pero geneticamente los españoles ademas de genes mediterraneos tiene un compomente importante de adn rb1 al cual se encuentra en casi toda europa occidental incluida Alemania.
Y porsupuesto que los españoles fisicamente son muy diferentes de los alemanes y no hablo solo de porque los españoles sean mas morenos o de los alemanes mas rubios sino porque ambos tiene fenotipos y estilos de caras muy diferentes.
Cualquier persona que haya visto al menos una ves en su vida a los españoles y alemanes sabra que no son muy parecidos.

[Ruggery]

Not sure about Germans as a whole, but southern Germans are closer to Spaniards than to Russians for sure.
The east of Germany, most of the north and some parts of the center are closer only to the western of Russia (not Siberia and southern Russia), but the south and the rest of western Germany are closer to the Spaniards.

The Germans are close to the Spaniards because genetically the Spaniards also have genetic components of Western Europe if the Spaniards were completely genetically Mediterranean and the Germans completely Slavic or Germanic, both would be even further away.

[Ruggery]

Southern Europeans are not a "separate race" from other Europeans.

Europe is a continuum, genetically speaking, and the closeness of any European population to another is directly proportional to their geographic closeness. no matter if they are north or south, east or west from each other.

Genetically not all Europeans are equal or very close but are within a family range (more or less).

[Fantomas]

Western and southern Germany to Spain. East Germans have affinity to Slavs probably more Poland and not Russia.
Agree, western and southern Germany shifted toward west Europe, another parts-to northern and eastern

https://i.imgur.com/YYlt9fX.png

[Mortimer]

Genetically and from appearance to Russians, culturally to spaniards.

[Tietar]

Germans and Russians are both Northern Europeans so they will obviously have a great amount of genetic affinity whilst the Spanish are Southern Europeans which have a high genetic affinity with other Southern Europeans.

the genetics has nothing to do with latitude, stupid

there is only affinity with southern France and northern Italy which is quite logical considering the geographical proximity

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/genmap2.jpg

[Dacul]

Agree, western and southern Germany shifted toward west Europe, another parts-to northern and eastern

https://i.imgur.com/YYlt9fX.png

I already heard that South Germany is a Kelto-Germanic area but now I see it on genetic testing,also.

[Lemgrant]

nMonte3 with only Russian and Spanish average references:

German
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Spanish_Cataluna Russian_Voronez Russian_Orel Spanish_Baleares
6.141710 6.322790 6.371965 6.384952
Spanish_Cantabria Russian_Kursk Spanish_Valencia Spanish_Pais_Vasco
6.477322 6.647646 6.694937 6.720980

German_East
[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Russian_Voronez Russian_Orel Russian_Smolensk Russian_Kursk
4.526389 4.616679 4.758140 4.980042
Russian_Tver Cossack_Kuban Russian_Kostroma Spanish_Cataluna
5.814776 6.489927 7.038125 7.700275

[Sebastianus Rex]

300km North-East.

And it's what many people fail to realise about Russian populational history is that core russian territories are limited to NW part of modern-day Russia, rest is been colonised by a mixture from all of the regions.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/8/83/Russians_Zones_of_Anthrotypes.PNG
Southern parts were taken from Nomadic tribes when technology advance gave russians the upper hand and nomadic tribes were forced out of the Steppe, and Siberia and Far east were taken when long distance travels became more easy and need for natural resourses appeared.

Southern parts experienced complete population change as lifestyles were too different and in the East, except for Volga-Ural region natives were too small in numbers to make any impact on genetics of colonists. Although South was colonised mainly by southern and central Russians and East by Northerners later immigration from mainland shifted demographics of the East towards more South-Central populations.

Yes, I am sorry, I meant northeast of course, typed northwest by mistake.

[Joso]

Russians