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Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 10:05 AM

I've just noticed by browsing Markos results a Custom Calculator for Global25

Thanks Lemigrant for helping me find it.

I've attached datasheet if anyone needs!

1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

ILLYRII 3.70
CELTAE 5.20
SLAVOS 5.57

[1] "distance%=1.8602"

Bosniensis_scaled

ILLYRII,53.8
SLAVOS,33
GRAECI,4.6
BALTI,4.2
SYRIA,2.8
ARMENII,1.4
SCYTHI,0.2

POST YOUR RESULTS!

83445

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 10:11 AM

....

Lemgrant

12-28-2018, 10:23 AM

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15813-Pseudo-Roman-G25-Calculator

ver.1

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
VENEDI FENNI GERMANI
3.440934 5.462345 6.845159

[1] "distance%=2.7647"

VENEDI,80.2
FENNI,4.8
GALLI,4
ILLYRII,2.4
HYPERBOREIS,1.8
SCYTHI,1.4
GERMANI,1.2
OSTROGOTHAE,1
VASCONES,1
GRAECI,0.8
HISPANI,0.6
ALANI,0.4
ITALI,0.4

pen=0:

[1] "distance%=2.6003"

VENEDI,76.8
GALLI,11.2
SCYTHI,4.2
ARMENII,2.8
ILLYRII,2.6
HYPERBOREIS,2.4

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 10:33 AM

Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

Dacul

12-28-2018, 10:59 AM

Where's da Thracians and Dacians in dis calculator?

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 11:00 AM

Where's da Thracians and Dacians in dis calculator?

Illyrians and Thracians are the same thing on this calc.

Dacul

12-28-2018, 11:02 AM

Illyrians and Thracians are the same thing on this calc.

And where is da Dacians, then?
As for Thracians and Illyrians being same, is outrageous!
Thracians are more Northern people,than Illyrians.
And Dacians even more Northern people, than Thracians.

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 11:03 AM

Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

Need PC1,PC2 on R .. can't use data without that

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 11:04 AM

And where is da Dacians, then?
As for Thracians and Illyrians being same, is outrageous!
Thracians are more Northern people,than Illyrians.
And Dacians even more Northern people, than Thracians.

Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians ceased to exist as separate identities 1500 years ago, that's why in 5th century A.D. everyone north of Greece is Thraco-Illyrians especially Western Bulgaria and Western Romania.

Illyiran sample for this calculator is mix of Macedonians and Albanians.

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 11:09 AM

Illyrians, Dacians and Thracians ceased to exist as separate identities 1500 years ago, that's why in 5th century A.D. everyone north of Greece is Thraco-Illyrians especially Western Bulgaria and Western Romania.

Illyiran sample for this calculator is mix of Macedonians and Albanians.

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

Kaspias

12-28-2018, 11:10 AM

Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

[1] "distance%=1.8883"

Zoran23_scaled

BEAKERS-CENTRAL,73.8
SLAVOS,15.6
BEAKERS-NORTHWEST,4.4
ILLYRII,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-SOUTH,0.6
BALTI,0.4
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
SYRIA,0.4

Nice results mashallah

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 11:11 AM

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

0.0028 76

There's a gap in this coordinate when I copy and paste it, doesn't show up when I edit the post, just remove this gap when you use the coords.

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 11:12 AM

[1] "distance%=1.8883"

Zoran23_scaled

BEAKERS-CENTRAL,73.8
SLAVOS,15.6
BEAKERS-NORTHWEST,4.4
ILLYRII,1.8
BRITAIN-CA-EBA,1.4
CORDED-WARE-GERMANY,0.8
BEAKERS-CENTRAL-SOUTH,0.6
BALTI,0.4
CORDED-WARE.CZECH,0.4
CZECH-EBA,0.4
SYRIA,0.4

Nice results mashallah

Is that with 0 or 0.1? Impossible for me to be that much beaker.

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 11:13 AM

0.0028 76

There's a gap in this coordinate when I copy and paste it, doesn't show up when I edit the post, just remove this gap when you use the coords.

there is more than just simple gap, paste into pastebin... still have errors.

Kaspias

12-28-2018, 11:15 AM

Is that with 0 or 0.1? Impossible for me to be that much beaker.

R is fucked, i will run 0 and 0.1. Wait

Kaspias

12-28-2018, 11:17 AM

Is that with 0 or 0.1? Impossible for me to be that much beaker.

Here you go

0.001

[1] "distance%=2.6406"

Zoran23_scaled

CELTAE,49.6
SLAVOS,33.8
ILLYRII,10.6
GRAECI,2.4
ARMENII,1.8
SYRIA,1.4
ALANI,0.2
ITALI,0.2

0

[1] "distance%=2.6438"

Zoran23_scaled

CELTAE,50.2
SLAVOS,34.4
ILLYRII,9.2
GRAECI,2.4
ARMENII,2
SYRIA,1.6
ITALI,0.2

Lemgrant

12-28-2018, 11:18 AM

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Zoran23_scaled,0.133173,0.132019,0.046386,0.034561 ,0.037238,0.017012,-0.0047,0.007154,0.0045,-0.003645,-0.004709,0.000599,0.000297,-0.004542,-0.000543,0.01432,0.017732,0.006841,0.004525,0.0028 76,-0.003993,-0.001731,0.006902,0.01205,-0.000239

ver.1

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
GALLI GERMANI BRITANNICI ILLYRII
4.658102 5.218447 5.784922 6.455968

[1] "distance%=2.8899"

Zoran23_scaled

GALLI,51.6
ILLYRII,19.8
VENEDI,14.8
GERMANI,4.8
FENNI,3.6
ARMENII,1.4
GRAECI,1.2
HYPERBOREIS,0.8
SYRIA,0.8
SCYTHI,0.6
OSTROGOTHAE,0.4
ALANI,0.2

pen=0
[1] "distance%=2.7735"

Zoran23_scaled

GALLI,47
VENEDI,23.6
ILLYRII,20
FENNI,4.8
ARMENII,3.8
SYRIA,0.8

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 11:19 AM

Here you go

0.001

[1] "distance%=2.6406"

Zoran23_scaled

CELTAE,49.6
SLAVOS,33.8
ILLYRII,10.6
GRAECI,2.4
ARMENII,1.8
SYRIA,1.4
ALANI,0.2
ITALI,0.2

0

[1] "distance%=2.6438"

Zoran23_scaled

CELTAE,50.2
SLAVOS,34.4
ILLYRII,9.2
GRAECI,2.4
ARMENII,2
SYRIA,1.6
ITALI,0.2

That's better, and looks pretty accurate actually for half NW europe half South Slav :D.

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 11:21 AM

ver.1

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
GALLI GERMANI BRITANNICI ILLYRII
4.658102 5.218447 5.784922 6.455968

[1] "distance%=2.8899"

Zoran23_scaled

GALLI,51.6
ILLYRII,19.8
VENEDI,14.8
GERMANI,4.8
FENNI,3.6
ARMENII,1.4
GRAECI,1.2
HYPERBOREIS,0.8
SYRIA,0.8
SCYTHI,0.6
OSTROGOTHAE,0.4
ALANI,0.2

pen=0
[1] "distance%=2.7735"

Zoran23_scaled

GALLI,47
VENEDI,23.6
ILLYRII,20
FENNI,4.8
ARMENII,3.8
SYRIA,0.8

Is that a different calc, gives different results it seems? Looks good also. Gauls + Slavs and Illyrians.

Lemgrant

12-28-2018, 11:22 AM

Is that a different calc, gives different results it seems? Looks good also. Gauls + Slavs and Illyrians.

yes, it's the version 1 calculator

J. Ketch

12-28-2018, 11:33 AM

I've just noticed by browsing Markos results a Custom Calculator for Global25

Thanks Lemigrant for helping me find it.

I've attached datasheet if anyone needs!

1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

ILLYRII 3.70
CELTAE 5.20
SLAVOS 5.57

[1] "distance%=1.8602"

Bosniensis_scaled

ILLYRII,53.8
SLAVOS,33
GRAECI,4.6
BALTI,4.2
SYRIA,2.8
ARMENII,1.4
SCYTHI,0.2

POST YOUR RESULTS!

83445
From that file:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CELTAE:BRITANNICI GERMANI:SUIONES GERMANI:SAXONES
2.531827 2.629224 2.706997
GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII CELTAE:GALLI
3.564977 3.580068 4.656381
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE CELTAE:VINDELICI
4.709527 5.778776

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.9453"

GERMANI,50
CELTAE,43.2
VASCONES,4.6
ITALI,2.2

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.9652"

CELTAE,48.4
GERMANI,47.6
VASCONES,2.6
ITALI,1.4

British and Irish aren't Celts!

Kaspias

12-28-2018, 11:53 AM

Single:

1. ILLYRII: 7.153955
2. GRAECI: 7.160789
3. ALANI: 9.140560
4. CELTAE:VINDELICI: 9.355260
5. CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE: 11.301990
6. CELTAE:GALLI: 11.382681
7. ITALI: 11.543628
8. SLAVOS:VENEDI: 11.877948

[1] "distance%=3.5809"

Kaspias_scaled

GRAECI,39.4
ILLYRII,14.6
ALANI,14.4
SCYTHI,14.4
HYPERBOREIS,6.8
SLAVOS,5.8
ARMENII,2.6
MAURI,2

talombo

12-28-2018, 11:55 AM

pen=0
[1] "distance%=1.6781"

SYRIA,31.4
ITALI,28.8
ARMENII,20.4
MAURI,16.6
HYPERBOREIS,1.6
BALTI,1.2

pen=0.001
[1] "distance%=1.9397"

SYRIA,35.4
GRAECI,23.4
MAURI,15.2
ARMENII,8.2
ITALI,8.2
ALANI,3.8
ILLYRII,3.4
VASCONES,1.4
CELTAE,1

Grace O'Malley

12-28-2018, 12:14 PM

This is my results

[1] "distance%=1.6828"

scaled

GERMANI - SUIONES,52.2
GERMANI - SAXONES,19.4
CELTAE - GALLI,10
CELTAE - BRITANNICI,8.2
GERMANI - SUEBI,8
VASCONES,1.2
CELTAE - VINDELICI,1

With penalty off:

[1] "distance%=1.6662"

scaled

GERMANI - SUIONES,42.8
GERMANI - SAXONES,21.8
CELTAE - GALLI,16.6
CELTAE - BRITANNICI,9.4
GERMANI - SUEBI,8.8
VASCONES,0.6

Does anyone know the differences between Suiones and Saxones? The Saxones are obviously the Anglo-Saxon samples.

Ayetooey

12-28-2018, 12:20 PM

This is my results

[1] "distance%=1.6828"

scaled

GERMANI - SUIONES,52.2
GERMANI - SAXONES,19.4
CELTAE - GALLI,10
CELTAE - BRITANNICI,8.2
GERMANI - SUEBI,8
VASCONES,1.2
CELTAE - VINDELICI,1

With penalty off:

[1] "distance%=1.6662"

scaled

GERMANI - SUIONES,42.8
GERMANI - SAXONES,21.8
CELTAE - GALLI,16.6
CELTAE - BRITANNICI,9.4
GERMANI - SUEBI,8.8
VASCONES,0.6

Does anyone know the differences between Suiones and Saxones? The Saxones are obviously the Anglo-Saxon samples.

Suiones are Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)

Seems dodgy, you don't even get Celtic in your top two, samples can't be the best.

Grace O'Malley

12-28-2018, 12:33 PM

Suiones are Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)

Seems dodgy, you don't even get Celtic in your top two, samples can't be the best.

Thanks. It would depend where the Celtic samples came from. From what I've seen Insular Celts don't match Continental Celts greatly. I think the Celtae-Britannici were the Roman Britons i.e. the Gladiators from memory. My closest modern population on the Global 25 is Icelandic anyway but from what I've seen a couple of Irish tested on this are similar to me on this calculator and the Irish in general. Could someone post what Irish get on this? I might be able to find what they get on a thread on Anthrogenica anyway.

J. Ketch

12-28-2018, 12:33 PM

Suiones are Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)

Seems dodgy, you don't even get Celtic in your top two, samples can't be the best.
It's not dodgy, there just aren't any Iron Age Irish samples, so it reflects the genetic closeness of the Irish to Ancient Germans compared to Celtic Gauls and those similar.

J. Ketch

12-28-2018, 12:46 PM

Suiones are Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes_(Germanic_tribe)

Seems dodgy, you don't even get Celtic in your top two, samples can't be the best.
My father's Irish results from the file in the OP for comparison

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
GERMANI:SAXONES GERMANI:SUIONES CELTAE:BRITANNICI
2.761291 2.764606 3.084915
GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE
3.721970 3.936935 5.140057
CELTAE:GALLI SLAVOS:VENEDI
5.279653 6.274622

pen=0

[1] "distance%=2.3486"

GERMANI,53
CELTAE,31.8
BALTI,6.8
ITALI,4.2
VASCONES,4.2

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=2.4118"

GERMANI,63
CELTAE,33.4
BALTI,1.6
VASCONES,1.6
ITALI,0.4

J. Ketch

12-28-2018, 12:57 PM

Thanks. It would depend where the Celtic samples came from. From what I've seen Insular Celts don't match Continental Celts greatly. I think the Celtae-Britannici were the Roman Britons i.e. the Gladiators from memory. My closest modern population on the Global 25 is Icelandic anyway but from what I've seen a couple of Irish tested on this are similar to me on this calculator and the Irish in general. Could someone post what Irish get on this? I might be able to find what they get on a thread on Anthrogenica anyway.
Again from the version in the OP:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
GERMANI:SUIONES GERMANI:SAXONES CELTAE:BRITANNICI
2.052519 2.214717 2.262018
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:GALLI
2.875479 3.249087 3.747555
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE CELTAE:VINDELICI
4.662137 5.129726

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.0158"

Irish

GERMANI,51.2
CELTAE,44
VASCONES,4.8

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.0737"

Irish

GERMANI,55.6
CELTAE,40
VASCONES,2.8
ITALI,0.8
GRAECI,0.6
ILLYRII,0.2

Bosniensis

12-28-2018, 03:45 PM

From that file:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CELTAE:BRITANNICI GERMANI:SUIONES GERMANI:SAXONES
2.531827 2.629224 2.706997
GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII CELTAE:GALLI
3.564977 3.580068 4.656381
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE CELTAE:VINDELICI
4.709527 5.778776

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.9453"

GERMANI,50
CELTAE,43.2
VASCONES,4.6
ITALI,2.2

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.9652"

CELTAE,48.4
GERMANI,47.6
VASCONES,2.6
ITALI,1.4

British and Irish aren't Celts!

I agree which is why I call this calculator is just for fun.

celticdragongod

12-28-2018, 10:26 PM

My results:

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
GERMANI:SUIONES GERMANI:SAXONES CELTAE:BRITANNICI
2.467669 2.836776 3.014846
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:GALLI
3.427557 3.722441 4.597392
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE CELTAE:VINDELICI
4.762842 5.409991

"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
"penalty= 0"
"Ncycles= 1000"

"distance%=2.0346"

GERMANI,61
CELTAE,30.8
VASCONES,3.8
SLAVOS,3.6
ITALI,0.8

*******************

pen=0.001

"distance%=2.0838"

GERMANI,67.6
CELTAE,27.4
VASCONES,3
SLAVOS,1
ITALI,0.6
ILLYRII,0.4

celticdragongod

12-28-2018, 10:31 PM

From that file:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
CELTAE:BRITANNICI GERMANI:SUIONES GERMANI:SAXONES
2.531827 2.629224 2.706997
GERMANI:SUEBI CELTAE:ANTIQUIS HIBERNII CELTAE:GALLI
3.564977 3.580068 4.656381
CELTAE:ANTIQUIS CELTAE CELTAE:VINDELICI
4.709527 5.778776

pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.9453"

GERMANI,50
CELTAE,43.2
VASCONES,4.6
ITALI,2.2

pen=0.001

[1] "distance%=1.9652"

CELTAE,48.4
GERMANI,47.6
VASCONES,2.6
ITALI,1.4

British and Irish aren't Celts!

Actually I think the results show that the ancient Celts and ancient Germans were more closely related than most people thought.

Coastal Elite

01-10-2019, 03:16 AM

"distance%=1.8006"

DacoCeltic_scaled

CELTAE,56.2
GERMANI,13.8
THRACII/ILLYRII,11.2
SLAVOS,8.6
ARMENII,2.6
ALANI,2.4
ITALI,2.2
FENNI,1.4
HYPERBOREIS,1
SCYTHI,0.6

"distance%=1.4897"(pen=0)

DacoCeltic_scaled

GERMANI,34.2
THRACII/ILLYRII,31.4
CELTAE,21.4
SLAVOS,7.4
ALANI,2.8
SCYTHI,2.8