Which Religions are compatible with European preservation?

[Skandi]

Could a Muslim/Hindu of European decent ever be a preservationist? Does the nearly 2000 years that Christianity has been here entitle it to a spot or is it still alien? Just how long does a religion need to be present for it to become part of the culture worth preserving?

Personally I believe that any of the Celtic, Nordic and Germanic indigenous religions are best but because Christianity has been here so long and mixed so much with the aforementioned religions that it also counts.

It's multiple choice because I realise there will be a mix!

[Absinthe]

Aren't the greek and roman religious also indigenous to their respective regions? :)

Because you said european preservation, not germanic specifically.

[Loki]

Interesting question.

Obviously heathenism is preferable, but there are those who would argue strongly in favour of Christianity, based on the last 1,500 years of Christian history in Europe.

On an individual level, my view is that religion is anyone's personal preference -- whatever it is. I chose to be an atheist, so religion is irrelevant to me. I actually dislike all organised religion, since I do not want to dance to the tune of the top dogs who think they can manipulate the lower masses with their self-devised dogma. :rolleyes2:

Hinduism is interesting, as this religion has its roots in the most ancient Aryan culture -- and is most certainly Europoid in origin. Of course all these millennia on the Indian subcontinent has shaped it into something distinctly unEuropean -- however the core principles remain the same.

Buddhism is a very practical spirituality, although I can't see how this would promote a pro-European attitude.

[Ulf]

Bleh, I went too quickly.

I instinctually chose the Germanic option, then saw Greek/Roman, then realized European then remembered the hours of that damn geography game we played, then went D'oh, all after I hit submit.

So yeah, I should have voted Greek/Roman as well, so add one to that column.

20+ hours awake is wearing on me..

[Absinthe]

P.S. what about the slavic indigenous religion? If we want to talk about Europe, that should be added in the poll as well.. :)

[Skandi]

If I've missed any sorry! I put the Mediterranean religions separately because I know some here don't see them the same way, the Slavic ones I just forgot about :rolleyes: oops

[Absinthe]

If I've missed any sorry! I put the Mediterranean religions separately because I know some here don't see them the same way, the Slavic ones I just forgot about :rolleyes: oops
What do you mean "some don't see them the same way"? :confused: Sorry, I'm getting senile :D

They're the indigenous faiths of southern Europe, polytheistic, with many similarities/correspondences to the northern ones. Not the same? Surely not. Each religion has it's own distinctive features.

The Slavic ones are always understated. Probably due to the fact that Orthodox Christianity has predominated those countries so much that they are almost forgotten.

If it were up to me, I'd also include Finnish Paganism. It may not be a part of the IE family but it has much more in common with the indigenous european religions than Christianity has with the indigenous european religions. The Christian God is more alien to Europe than the Finnish Gods are.

Also, I'm the jerk that voted for Asian. I meant Hinduism.

I believe the only truly alien religions to Europe are the monotheistic ones. Hinduism is part of the IE tradition and has, again, much more common elements with the European spirit than the semitic religions do. Not that Hinduism is 100% compatible with european preservation....but it is still more compatible than semitic religions.

I don't want to insult anyone by this post, btw...I respect everyone's faith, I'm just explaining my stance...

[Fortis in Arduis]

Ok, I ticked the lot except Islam.

I do not like them much, but within both traditional Christianity and Judaism there is a theological basis for nationalism. Islam just does not have that.

The rest are either preservationist in their own way, or simply benign.

[Aliandrin]

Christianity, I believe, is particularly poisonous to this task. I have to think that without the universal, masochistic Altruism of Christianity, people would naturally put themselves and their kind first.

Just as some parts of the healthy body are poisonous to others, and just as the acid from the stomach would kill the rest of the body, the natural kindness and idealism of the white individual can kill him if an outside force opens up his heart and lets it leak out where it is misplaced to corrode and dissolve white society.

[The Lawspeaker]

Well.. first of all I believe in freedom of religion but I do realise that some religions are not just alien to us- but also hostile.
I think that Shamanism and Heathenism (including Wicca) are preferable but Christianity has been around since the early Middle Ages and has gained ground so much that it can be considered to be a European religion (I make exception for those peculiar brands of Christianity like the Jehovah's Withnesses and the highly commercialised Evangelical non-sense).

When it comes to foreign religions I consider some Asian religions to be in essence compatible to European heathen views and traditions and when it comes to rituals they can be Europeanised. For instance Shintō (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto) and Confuscianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confuscianism) (and particular forms of Buddhism) can be benign enough to fit in a more European context.

Islam and Judaism and those African religions are of course out of the question- and from what I have seen from Hinduism and the myriad of related cults and sects I will have to say the same thing (although one can certainly learn a thing or two from Hinduism).

[Groenewolf]

the religion's that rank first in my opion are of course our native heathen religions. Second comes an Europioniazed Christianity (http://www.amazon.com/Germanization-Early-Medieval-Christianity-Sociohistorical/dp/0195104668/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236448758&sr=8-1) and certain Asiatic religions like Hinduïsm (but only because they share common Indo-European roots).

[stormlord]

European Christianity and indigenous faiths only, anything else is generally also popular amongst pretentious types who think that eastern religions are more "spiritual", and while their entitled to their views I find all that stuff incredibly foreign.

[Aemma]

Well.. first of all I believe in freedom of religion but I do realise that some religions are not just alien to us- but also hostile.
I think that Shamanism and Heathenism (including Wicca) are preferable but Christianity has been around since the early Middle Ages and has gained ground so much that it can be considered to be a European religion (I make exception for those peculiar brands of Christianity like the Jehovah's Withnesses and the highly commercialised Evangelical non-sense).

When it comes to foreign religions I consider some Asian religions to be in essence compatible to European heathen views and traditions and when it comes to rituals they can be Europeanised. For instance Shintō (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto) and Confuscianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confuscianism) (and particular forms of Buddhism) can be benign enough to fit in a more European context.

Islam and Judaism and those African religions are of course out of the question- and from what I have seen from Hinduism and the myriad of related cults and sects I will have to say the same thing (although one can certainly learn a thing or two from Hinduism).


I certainly agree with your first point My Dutch Uncle in that Christianity can be seen as a European religion *now* especially if one considers it more of a Pauline, hence Roman religion, than a semetic one, and here I'm emphasizing more so the Roman Catholic origins of the European Christian Church. Be that as it may, it is still an Abrahamic faith and has its roots in an alien creed which I personally don't believe has benefitted us in the long run.

But with respect to an individual's spirituality, generally I am of the view 'live and let live'. I would never be so arrogant as to tell another how to practise his or her spirituality however I might not necessarily agree with one's approach from a cultural/ethnic/preservationist standpoint.

As for Asian religions becoming Europeanised this is where we part ways in philosophies, I'm afraid. :) Since indigenous religions are indeed that, indigenous to a culture and to a people, I have difficulty being able to reconcile the notion that the spiritual practices of another culture would fit into our own. They are not ours to practice and I would also argue that ours are not any other culture's to practise either. I'm a staunch Folkish Heathen in this respect and very much attach an importance to culture and ethnicity to spiritual ways and traditions. Though we can certainly appreciate the value and beauty of their belief systems, Shinto and Confucianism should not be Europeanized in my view. Not only would this be a disservice to our own indigenous ways, but would also be a disservice to these fine cultures as well. That's just my view though. :)

As for Hinduism, well Germanic heathenry has very much in common with Vedic thought and inasmuch as we do both stem from an Aryan source, Vedic thought is more compatible and indeed useful even in terms of examining our own Germanic indigenous beliefs in a comparative way. I also believe however that modern-day Hinduism is as much a culturally-based belief system as is our own indigenous way. In this respect, it neither should be Europeanized imho.

As for the other Abrahamic traditions, Islam and Judaism, well, no they are not of our blood and people nor will they ever be so. Again this reflects my very staunch approach to linking spiritual ways and traditions with culture. So again we're in agreement. :)

Cheers!...Aemma

[Fortis in Arduis]

As for Hinduism, well Germanic heathenry has very much in common with Vedic thought and inasmuch as we do both stem from an Aryan source, Vedic thought is more compatible and indeed useful even in terms of examining our own Germanic indigenous beliefs in a comparative way. I also believe however that modern-day Hinduism is as much a culturally-based belief system as is our own indigenous way. In this respect, it neither should be Europeanized imho.

Hinduism could fill in the blanks that Germanic heathenry has. What is the nature of the soul? Hinduism has the answer, but the Germanic heathens leave one wondering. Something is missing there:

We are bindus, indestructible non-physical points (or infinitesimally small points in the form of light) and we are immortal.

I had to find a Hindu meditation teacher who told me that. No Christian or Pagan could help. They taught me neither meditation nor yoga and they seem to be hermetic traditions with guarded inner circles and sanctums which give unfair disadvantage to the average aspirant.

Most, but not all, modern Hinduism has fallen into elaborate ritualism, which there is some benefit in, but they have forgotten to focus on the basics.

Round here (Uttarakhand), the main deity is Shiva who wants you to focus more than perhaps Krishna does, as Krishna is more about the heart than the focusing mind, so there is a different oeuvre here than down South and I prefer that.

Urban professionals in India are suddenly taking to Buddhism after ignoring it for years. It fits with the new rational thinking and the new modern India. A huge temple has just been constructed outside Mumbai.

Some Europeans take to some aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism, because there is a cultural connection as well as some eternal knowledge, but I would have thought that Buddhism, as it is practised, would fit the European better, but it has never appealed to me.

Vipassana (the principle Buddhist meditation) is a very strong meditation, but it never worked for me in the past. I might do that dreadful course when I get back though... Where you have total silence and gender separation for 10 days. :eek: I like to torture myself, you see. ;)

The best knowledge is eternal, and I do not think that our Germanic traditions were anything other than frameworks for self-realisation. Followers will make these ritual aspects into something more than they are, but my basic belief is that I am an immortal soul. Without this knowledge, the peripheral knowledge, which has a cultural basis, is worthless and will not evolve, whether it is Hindu, Germanic Heathen or Christian.

The best Christians were the mystics, do not tell me that they did not have that realisation...

That dreadful course:

http://www.dhamma.org/en/code.shtml lol

[Aemma]

Hi Fortis :)

Firstly let me just say that I do find value in what you are saying but you have to realise what my point of reference in the end is the following: I'm a folkish heathen. This carries a heavily biased weight in terms of cultural and ethnic identity I believe and rightfully so. And lest we forget, Germanic Heathenry does fall within the purview of a reconstructed religion. Consequently, in terms of ritual and outward religiosity, much of it relies upon archaeological and anthropological findings as a method of retrieving and reappropriating what once was very much a lost culturally-based spiritual system.

With respect to your comments regarding the immortal soul, my own belief is that Germanic Heathenry does indeed offer answers to such questions, it just boils down to a matter of looking in the right places sometimes. I don't think that the Lore answers everything of course but the challenge is always looking at ALL of the pieces of the rich legacy of Lore, folklore and writings that emphasize Germanic Thought and approach to Life and its big questions. For instance, I very much like Rudolf Steiner and his works as I do Friedrich Nietzsche's and Carl Jung's. These great Germanic thinkers very much indeed offer 'answers' to life's questions. Inasmuch as thinkers from all time periods have contributed to the very Spirit of Germanic-ness if you will, can these thinkers' very works not be seen as 'sacred texts' in and of themselves? I most definitely think so! This is the beauty of Germanic Heathenry as well: our worldview being that which it is, that is to say, a strong belief in the cyclical nature of time, sacredness of thought which is culturally-specific to a People can be found in any and all time periods. We are not limited to the teachings and/or writings of a specific thinker or thinkers that is fixed in time. Ours is not a revealed religion but a dynamic and organic one. As Germanic Heathens I contend then that we have access to and therefore can cull from a vast source of sacred texts, each speaking to different metaphysical aspects of the Germanic Self.

I will not deny of course, as I mentioned before, that the Vedic texts do hold much value as well, as perhaps coming from the same Well of Thought in our shared Aryanism, if you will. But inasmuch as my worldview is very much in tune with matters perhaps more temporally cultural, I do prefer a more culturally-specific expression of my spirituality.

And I, like yourself, do very much believe in the eternal/immortal soul, Fortis. Where we differ perhaps is in the Cultural Well, if I may, from which we each extract our source of knowledge and spirituality.

Different approaches but in the end a very similar spiritual experience I believe. :)

Cheers for now Fortis!...Aemma

Hinduism could fill in the blanks that Germanic heathenry has. What is the nature of the soul? Hinduism has the answer, but the Germanic heathens leave one wondering. Something is missing there:

We are bindus, indestructible non-physical points (or infinitesimally small points in the form of light) and we are immortal.

I had to find a Hindu meditation teacher who told me that. No Christian or Pagan could help. They taught me neither meditation nor yoga and they seem to be hermetic traditions with guarded inner circles and sanctums which give unfair disadvantage to the average aspirant.

Most, but not all, modern Hinduism has fallen into elaborate ritualism, which there is some benefit in, but they have forgotten to focus on the basics.

Round here (Uttarakhand), the main deity is Shiva who wants you to focus more than perhaps Krishna does, as Krishna is more about the heart than the focusing mind, so there is a different oeuvre here than down South and I prefer that.

Urban professionals in India are suddenly taking to Buddhism after ignoring it for years. It fits with the new rational thinking and the new modern India. A huge temple has just been constructed outside Mumbai.

Some Europeans take to some aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism, because there is a cultural connection as well as some eternal knowledge, but I would have thought that Buddhism, as it is practised, would fit the European better, but it has never appealed to me.

Vipassana (the principle Buddhist meditation) is a very strong meditation, but it never worked for me in the past. I might do that dreadful course when I get back though... Where you have total silence and gender separation for 10 days. :eek: I like to torture myself, you see. ;)

The best knowledge is eternal, and I do not think that our Germanic traditions were anything other than frameworks for self-realisation. Followers will make these ritual aspects into something more than they are, but my basic belief is that I am an immortal soul. Without this knowledge, the peripheral knowledge, which has a cultural basis, is worthless and will not evolve, whether it is Hindu, Germanic Heathen or Christian.

The best Christians were the mystics, do not tell me that they did not have that realisation...

That dreadful course:

http://www.dhamma.org/en/code.shtml lol

[Fortis in Arduis]

Oops... my post disintegrated.

What I was saying was that there will be some masters who will come forward and be recognised.

I expect a full revival.

[Skandi]

I agree with Aemma I can't see why we need to go running round the world looking for truth, I suspect that if you haven't found it in one of the indigenous religions you just haven't looked deep enough, I'm not saying that the Asian religions are "bad" or "wrong" but just that they are not ours, and therefore not correct for us. But then I would hope that she and I agree on religion, Asrad and Hengest may have something to say about it otherwise!

[Aemma]

Oops... my post disintegrated.

What I was saying was that there will be some masters who will come forward and be recognised.

I expect a full revival.

Some masters from where and what culture do you mean exactly?

And a revival of what precisely?

Wanna elaborate a bit please? I'm not following exactly...

Cheers!...Aemma

[Manifest Destiny]

I'd say that any type of European paganism is compatible with European racial and cultural preservation (and I don't know why Greek and Roman paganism is listed separately from other European beliefs).

Christianity, though not European in origin, has become a de facto Western "institution", so I would include that as well.

Speaking strictly from a genetic/biological standpoint, people practicing any religion (Islam, Judaism, Taoism, whatever) could continue their European lineage. Two white converts to Islam would still have white children together, after all. But this situation would obviously suffer at least a little bit when it came to cultural preservation.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Some masters from where and what culture do you mean exactly?

And a revival of what precisely?

Wanna elaborate a bit please? I'm not following exactly...

Cheers!...Aemma

From our own culture. In my original post I was saying that there are some people who are already inspiring - look at Nick Griffin and what he is doing. It is more than just politics, I think.

[Aemma]

From our own culture. In my original post I was saying that there are some people who are already inspiring - look at Nick Griffin and what he is doing. It is more than just politics, I think.

Ok thanks Fortis! :thumb001:

Cheers!...Aemma

[Sarmata]

Could a Muslim/Hindu of European decent ever be a preservationist? Does the nearly 2000 years that Christianity has been here entitle it to a spot or is it still alien? Just how long does a religion need to be present for it to become part of the culture worth preserving?

Personally I believe that any of the Celtic, Nordic and Germanic indigenous religions are best but because Christianity has been here so long and mixed so much with the aforementioned religions that it also counts.

It's multiple choice because I realise there will be a mix!


I think that best religion is no religion, rational view of the metters like preservation of our people could be most sensible. There are also people like WCOTC who promote "creativity"- some kind of racial(atheistic in fact) religion...but Im not convinceing to any form of religion:)

[Sarmata]

P.S. what about the slavic indigenous religion? If we want to talk about Europe, that should be added in the poll as well.. :)

Well in my country existed a group of few people("Rodzimowiercy") who try to reconstruct Slavic indigenous religion...It's hard to believed that old Slavic gods may rise again...At first indigenous Slavic religion was destroyed and absorbed by christianity(unfortunatelly we haven't got our own Snorri Sturluson like our germanic cousins), second my Nation is completly "catholicized"(Im not quite sure if that word existed:D). But activity of Slavic pagans is good for my people couse they research roots of our/Slavic original culture. It's good for preservation of people or folk or Nation to know about their own culture let it be even pagan,archaic religion.

[SuuT]

Interesting question.

Obviously heathenism is preferable, but there are those who would argue strongly in favour of Christianity, based on the last 1,500 years of Christian history in Europe.

On an individual level, my view is that religion is anyone's personal preference -- whatever it is.[...]

Islam...?


I chose to be an atheist, so religion is irrelevant to me. I actually dislike all organised religion, since I do not want to dance to the tune of the top dogs who think they can manipulate the lower masses with their self-devised dogma.

(Roughly) 95% of the WORLD finds 'religion' not only "relevant"; but, the foundation upon which they construct their respective being in this world: without the power to change this, what does your individual penchant matter...?


Hinduism is interesting, as this religion has its roots in the most ancient Aryan culture -- and is most certainly Europoid in origin. Of course all these millennia on the Indian subcontinent has shaped it into something distinctly unEuropean -- however the core principles remain the same.

It is, in fact, the "core principles" that have changed the most, in concert with the Racial overture that has left the Chandala in - en toto - control (for roughly 1.000 years) of the 'evolution' of our most written about I.E. strain. Which, ipso facto makes it the most distorted as per the oriri of Indo-European thought. C.f. the ancient devotees of Indra as prime...



P.S. what about the slavic indigenous religion? If we want to talk about Europe, that should be added in the poll as well.. :)

There is no such demonstrable thing: that is the problem. Many a Slav will argue this, no doubt - and yet truth remains truth.


[...] They're the indigenous faiths of southern Europe, polytheistic, with many similarities/correspondences to the northern ones. Not the same? Surely not. Each religion has it's own distinctive features.

Southern Evropine "faiths" are distinct to the point of mutual exclusivity; provided one known the historicity of their composition.


If it were up to me, I'd also include Finnish Paganism. It may not be a part of the IE family but it has much more in common with the indigenous european religions than Christianity has with the indigenous european religions. The Christian God is more alien to Europe than the Finnish Gods are.

We agree.

Also, I'm the jerk that voted for Asian. I meant Hinduism.


[...] Not that Hinduism is 100% compatible with european preservation....but it is still more compatible than semitic religions.

Really...? How so?; especialy given that Christianity is so 'accepted'/practiced within the definitive confines of Evropa?


I don't want to insult anyone by this post, btw...I respect everyone's faith, I'm just explaining my stance...

Insults are the vehicle of providence.





Ok, I ticked the lot except Islam.

I do not like them much, but within both traditional Christianity and Judaism there is a theological basis for nationalism. Islam just does not have that.

Really...? Islam encompases an entire realm of not only Weltanschauung; but, and what is more, an Oligarchic/Tolatalitarian systemic Modus Operandi method of running the entirety of existence. - How could this possibly not include Nationalism...?



[FONT=Book Antiqua]Well.. first of all I believe in freedom of religion but I do realise that some religions are not just alien to us- but also hostile.
I think that Shamanism and Heathenism (including Wicca) are preferable but Christianity has been around since the early Middle Ages and has gained ground so much that it can be considered to be a European religion (I make exception for those peculiar brands of Christianity like the Jehovah's Withnesses and the highly commercialised Evangelical non-sense).


Given enough time, ALL 'Faiths" are " 'indeginous'... No? - Where am I innaccuarate...?




Hinduism could fill in the blanks that Germanic heathenry has.

This is exactly la probleme: it is not "answers" that he and/or she that is not Semetic - in disposition - seeks. - 'We' arm ourselves with questions that give rise to indigenous principle.

[Loki]

(Roughly) 95% of the WORLD finds 'religion' not only "relevant"; but, the foundation upon which they construct their respective being in this world: without the power to change this, what does your individual penchant matter...?


I choose to go with the wisdom of the 12-15% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism) of the world's population who have chosen to think for themselves and have discarded superstition. The opiate of the masses does not necessarily have to entice me. :wink

[Fortis in Arduis]

Really...? Islam encompases an entire realm of not only Weltanschauung; but, and what is more, an Oligarchic/Tolatalitarian systemic Modus Operandi method of running the entirety of existence. - How could this possibly not include Nationalism...?


Islamists ultimately want to create a huge united Islamic imperium.

Sunni Islam is surely Arab imperialism.

Shiite Islamists still want to take over the whole world.

I do not think that nationalism and imperialism are compatible.

[YggsVinr]

I chose the first two options since, last I checked, both options are European. Anyways, I was going to check Christianity as well but I'm a little torn, since Christianity quickly became an amalgamation of Jewish and various European traditions (predominantly Greek, Germanic, and Celtic). Just as Islam was shaped by the Arab people, so was Christianity, to an extent, shaped by Europeans. Hell, the Crusades would have likely never happened if that weren't true. Then again, Judaism is Christianity's base despite its Europeanization. Its a tough call, really.

[SPQR]

European pagan pre-christian faiths for sure, and even though I hate christianity to no end, I have to admit it has it's place with the european people.

[Loddfafner]

There is nothing intrinsically folkish (or anything at all) about any religion. It comes down to how one uses it. While most tendencies of Christianity hold us back, it has been the focus of long centuries of European history and has absorbed its best minds for generations. Much as I am wary of Christian influence, I checked the box for Christianity here for one simple reason: gothic cathedrals.

I also checked both northern and southern pagan options, as that is where I feel most hopeful, although I doubt they will ever work out as majority religions. That may be for the better as fluff-bunny Wiccanism shows that paganism can be every bit as detrimental as any other faith. Also, I fear that some lunatic will try to bring back human sacrifices.

Creativity is, I feel, a worse option than even Islam. Despite its rhetoric, it only serves two real ends: rituals for white prison gangs and fundraising for ADL and SPLC. I have posted enough already about how it brings down individuals who come within its orbit.

[Thorum]

I would have to say, no religions. If Europe is to prosper as "European", get rid of the mystical, irrational and ancient dogma begun centuries ago. Embrace the advancement of Europe through rationality and science. Use the embarrassing and ridiculous example of religion in the USA.

Since, that won't happen, I would have to agree that indigenous religions would be the next best thing.

[Lenny]

Loddfafner in post#29 above got it exactly right...

The ONLY thing that matters about any system of spiritual belief and organized-socialization based thereupon, is whether it keeps the "tribe" unified or not. Any religion or church that is universalist is pure poison, for this reason. This is my basic gripe with Roman Catholicism (and Islam for that matter). The protestant revolution created national, voelkisch churches in Europe [e.g., everyone knows the Dutch Reformed Church is a Dutch entity, of the Dutch people], which reinforced local identities rather than giving everybody some goofy "universal" church headed by a foreign stranger sitting on a throne far away, lorded over by a priestly class, using a language no one understands, forcing everyone to pay taxes to it in the style of tribute to a faraway Emperor, etc. etc.

"The Papacy is nothing but the ghost of the Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof." -Hobbes

[Granted, most "national/voelkisch" protestant churches today are quite liberal, and so are hardly bulwarks of "nationalism". That's very true, but it's simply a reflection of the Zeitgeist. In healtheir times, they would be advocates for their nations, since if the nation dies, they too die; whereas a universal(ist) religion like Catholicism would view itself as King always; and would care little, if any, for its subject nations individually, and certainly would care none at all for something as frivolous as blood-integrity.]


The great demographic work, "Why Civilizations Self-Destruct", by Dr. Elmer Pendell, touched on religion:

Life was tribal during millions of years of hominid evolution, during
which religion was interwoven with every aspect of life. The
medicine man was the high priest, presiding over ceremonies and
rituals which the tribesmen felt were important, though they could
not have explained why.Modern researchers usually think of
religion as a structure of superstitions. They cannot seem to get
it into their heads that its primary function was to keep the tribe unified. [...]

Religion is about all that has come down to us from tribal life, from
the long forgotten days when the loyalty of members was Undivided.
The old tribal functions are now the legacy of our local church. Such
functions include marriages and funerals and—most important of
all—fellowship.

[safinator]

Voted just the Indigenous religions.

[Unurautare]

Only Christianity(the traditional European variants).

[HungAryan]

Only Christianity(the traditional European variants).

Totally agreed :thumbs up

[R4ge]

If Europe was never Christianized, there would likely be little difference in civility between European culture and what we see in East Asias culture today.

[Mercury]

I would have to say, no religions. If Europe is to prosper as "European", get rid of the mystical, irrational and ancient dogma begun centuries ago. Embrace the advancement of Europe through rationality and science. Use the embarrassing and ridiculous example of religion in the USA.

Since, that won't happen, I would have to agree that indigenous religions would be the next best thing.

The reason why we're still a Conservative nation to this day is due to the religious element in our nation. I'm glad we have Mormons, the Protestants & evangelicals. Although, then again, it was largely the Catholic immigrants that liberalized this country to begin with. So I'm not sure what to think.

[Óttar]

I voted Indigenous religions (I assumed due to common sense that every European strand of 'paganism' was included here), Greek and Roman (although REDUNDANT, see option #1), and "Asian religions" (I had in mind Hinduism in particular, although there is something to be said for Buddhism as some Indo-Greeks adopted it, and 'Western' Buddha statues were found as far afield as Gaul.)

In classical Indian society, Greek women were kings' chamber guards, and Greeks (called Yavanas) appear as stock characters in Sanskrit literature.

Throughout history, Hinduism spread through through gradual assimilation, adoption of rituals, blending with tribal beliefs etc. I often wonder about a European Hinduism, adopting the Hindu super-structure i.e. the Vedas, Upanishads, Sanskrit, textual exegesis, rituals, gods, blending and identifying them with old European gods and rites. Also interesting to think about is what kind of new CASTES would emerge from this.

One can dream. :D

[Fra Baldracco]

Only Christianity(the traditional European variants).

if so why the pope himself is always asking for new believers in europe from the third world countries?

[Laudanum]

In my opinion a religion has nothing to do with ''European preservation'', as a religious person will always say his religion is the (universal) religion. Of course the native religions of Europe would be most likely to fit with European preservation, but any religion that is willing to adapt to European culture is compatible with European preservation.

It's rather obvious that religion is very much linked to culture. When people think of Islam, they will think of the middle east. When people think of Buddhism, they think of places like India. However, if you simply take the gods of the religion, etc. And you place the religion in another country, it should be possible to totally make the religion fit in with the foreign culture.

We all know that religions such as Islam (and also Christianity in the past) have had problems with this.

In my opinion every religion that is willing to adapt to European culture is compatible with European preservation.

[TheBorrebyViking]

Our Pagan religions. But I'm an Atheist who just uses Norse religions as a source of culture and honour.

[Supreme American]

Old fashioned Christianity before they told us to kiss Muslim immigrant ass. Plus Christians have higher birthrates.

[WilliamWallace]

All the native European religions.
Christianity and also ancient Germanic and Latin paganism.

[safinator]

All the native European religions.
Christianity and also ancient Germanic and Latin paganism.
Christianity isn't native to Europe.

[Fra Baldracco]

Christianity isn't native to Europe.

some will tell the jeshua (if ever existed) was a blonde guy messing around middle east (peacekeeping?)

[WilliamWallace]

Christianity isn't native to Europe.

Catholic Church
Lutheranism-Zwinglianism
Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church
Danish National Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church—Synod of France and Belgium
Evangelical Church in Germany
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Hungary
Church of Sweden
Swiss Reformed Church
Anglicanism
Church of England
Church of Ireland
Scottish Episcopal Church
Church in Wales
Lusitanian Catholic Apostolic Evangelical Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
St. Margaret Anglican Episcopal Church in Hungary
Calvinism-Presbyterianism
United Reformed Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England and Wales
Reformed Church in Hungary
Church of Scotland
Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Methodist Church of Great Britain
Protestant Church in the Netherlands (Neo-Calvinism)
Russian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church
Romanian Orthodox Church
Church of Greece
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox Church
Cypriot Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Polish Orthodox Church
Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia
Turkish Orthodox Church (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Montenegrin Orthodox Church (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of Sweden
Bruderhof Communities


They are native of Europe.


I add also radical atheism, that can be used as rival agaist islam and christian churches which accept muslims.

[Der Steinadler]

definitely Paganism.

definitely.

[safinator]

Catholic Church
Lutheranism-Zwinglianism
Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church
Danish National Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church—Synod of France and Belgium
Evangelical Church in Germany
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Hungary
Church of Sweden
Swiss Reformed Church
Anglicanism
Church of England
Church of Ireland
Scottish Episcopal Church
Church in Wales
Lusitanian Catholic Apostolic Evangelical Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
St. Margaret Anglican Episcopal Church in Hungary
Calvinism-Presbyterianism
United Reformed Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in England and Wales
Reformed Church in Hungary
Church of Scotland
Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Methodist Church of Great Britain
Protestant Church in the Netherlands (Neo-Calvinism)
Russian Orthodox Church
Serbian Orthodox Church
Romanian Orthodox Church
Church of Greece
Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Georgian Orthodox Church
Cypriot Orthodox Church
Albanian Orthodox Church
Polish Orthodox Church
Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia
Turkish Orthodox Church (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Montenegrin Orthodox Church (unrecognized by other Orthodox churches/schismatic)
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of Sweden
Bruderhof Communities


They are native of Europe.


I add also radical atheism, that can be used as rival agaist islam and christian churches which accept muslims.
The religion itself wasn't born in Europe the congregations are another thing.

[Unurautare]

The religion itself wasn't born in Europe the congregations are another thing.

2000 years of European Reformation made it European,you can't say the same about Muslims in Europe. :coffee: The congregations themselves are unique to each European country's specific. :coffee: