Light hair/eyes are NATIVE to Southern Europe. Why do people need Northern admixture to explain it?

[Sikeliot]

I wish people would understand this.

Light hair and eyes have always been a minority in Southern Europe, but they have been there since time immemorial and are NOT linked to Germanic, Slavic, Norman, or whatever else admixture but likely to the Indo-European wave of migration that brought Celtic, Italic, and Greek languages there. Sardinia is one of the darkest places in Europe but there are light eyes and hair present there. Same with Cyprus, even though a minority. You can find light hair and eyes in places like Calabria and the Dodecanese, where Germanic and Slavic admixture are at their all time lowest for their respective countries.

We should view light hair and eyes as part of the natural variation in Southern Europe and not assume their presence is due to Slavic and Germanic admixture.

[Universe]

Likewise dark hair and dark eyes are native to Northern Europe.
I read many old posts by Northern Europeans who tried to explain the presence of dark pigmented Northern Euros by hidden Southern Euro or Mena admixture

[Universe]

Likewise dark hair and dark eyes are native to Northern Europe.
I read many old posts by Northern Europeans who tried to explain the presence of dark pigmented Northern Euros by hidden Southern Euro or Mena admixture

[Scipio Africanus]

Agree,light eyes and hair are native and part of the natural variation in south Europe.

[Sikeliot]

Agree,light eyes and hair are native and part of the natural variation in south Europe.

Yes.

People assume me saying that there is little to no Germanic input in places like Sicily is denying the presence of light pigmented people. Absolutely not. I am simply saying those light types are indigenous and foreign input is not needed to explain light pigmented Southern Europeans.

[Tauromachos]

I don't understand your point

Its usualy you when you see for example Greeks with light eyes or light hair who likes to claim that comes from
Northern admixture Slavic or other

[Sikeliot]

I don't understand your point

Its usualy you when you see for example Greeks with light eyes or light hair who likes to claim that comes from
Northern admixture Slavic or other

No, I don't say this. I go by facial features when determining if someone looks northern or not.

[Latinus]

Agree, many people think Northern Euros have monopoly of light eyes and think lighter features in Southern Europe all derive from Northern European ancestry.
Same for blondism, even Australoids have an independent mutation for blonde hair.

[Regnera]

I don't understand your point

Its usualy you when you see for example Greeks with light eyes or light hair who likes to claim that comes from
Northern admixture Slavic or other

But Ancient Greek have light haired gods and heroes,Apollo,Artemis,Aphrodite and Persephone were described as golden haired or fair haired.In Iliad,Achilles was described to had yellow hair(xanthos),and his son Pyrrhus' name means "red haired"

[Hellenas]

But Ancient Greek have light haired gods and heroes,Apollo,Artemis,Aphrodite and Persephone were described as golden haired or fair haired.In Iliad,Achilles was described to had yellow hair(xanthos),and his son Pyrrhus' name means "red haired"

These have been answered here: http://fyletika.blogspot.com/2013/04/blog-post_25.html


https://kaunozinios.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Adolfas-Hitleris.jpg

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/china.htm

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://www.aryanunity.com/china.html

Ancient Aryans of China
http://www.renegadetribune.com/ancient-aryans-china/

Blond people in China Part 3: Aryan in China
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2013/05/blond-people-in-china-part-3-aryan-in.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcJHTT0hm_0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7qRyA9n0A


The Forbidden History of Ancient China: Aryan Mummies and Hundreds of Pyramids
http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-forbidden-history-of-ancient-china.html


https://www.losreplicantes.com/images/articulos/3000/3021/5.jpg


Red Aryan

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21770&dateline=1540773921

Chinese brachycephal Untermensch

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_China/Chinese_crowd_3.jpg

[Regnera]

These have been answered here: http://fyletika.blogspot.com/2013/04/blog-post_25.html


https://kaunozinios.lt/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Adolfas-Hitleris.jpg

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/china.htm

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://www.aryanunity.com/china.html

Ancient Aryans of China
http://www.renegadetribune.com/ancient-aryans-china/

Blond people in China Part 3: Aryan in China
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2013/05/blond-people-in-china-part-3-aryan-in.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcJHTT0hm_0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7qRyA9n0A


The Forbidden History of Ancient China: Aryan Mummies and Hundreds of Pyramids
http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-forbidden-history-of-ancient-china.html


https://www.losreplicantes.com/images/articulos/3000/3021/5.jpg


Red Aryan

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21770&dateline=1540773921

Chinese brachycephal Untermensch

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_China/Chinese_crowd_3.jpg

Sorry,I almost laughed,why do you send Shitler's photo and Nazi-saluting Asian guy?I'm pretty anti-nazism.Yes,there're blond people in China,but they're not ethnic Han Chinese,rather the minor ethnicities in Xinjiang.

[Mingle]

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/china.htm

Aryans: Culture Bearers to China
http://www.aryanunity.com/china.html

Ancient Aryans of China
http://www.renegadetribune.com/ancient-aryans-china/

Blond people in China Part 3: Aryan in China
http://veritas-lux.blogspot.com/2013/05/blond-people-in-china-part-3-aryan-in.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US7qRyA9n0A


The Forbidden History of Ancient China: Aryan Mummies and Hundreds of Pyramids
http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-forbidden-history-of-ancient-china.html


Red Aryan

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=21770&dateline=1540773921

Modern blondes in China are usually Iranic Sarikolis from Tashkurgan. Blondes exist among Uyghurs as well to a significantly lesser frequency. Though blonde Uyghurs may be more common due to their much higher population, not sure. The photos on the internet are usually of Sarikolis who are a Pamiri people.

The blonde mummies are Indo-European Tocharians.

And they're all from one region of China, the Tarim Basin (southern Xinjiang).

The woman in her avatar is European.

[Septentrion]

I wish people would understand this.

Light hair and eyes have always been a minority in Southern Europe, but they have been there since time immemorial and are NOT linked to Germanic, Slavic, Norman, or whatever else admixture but likely to the Indo-European wave of migration that brought Celtic, Italic, and Greek languages there. Sardinia is one of the darkest places in Europe but there are light eyes and hair present there. Same with Cyprus, even though a minority. You can find light hair and eyes in places like Calabria and the Dodecanese, where Germanic and Slavic admixture are at their all time lowest for their respective countries.

We should view light hair and eyes as part of the natural variation in Southern Europe and not assume their presence is due to Slavic and Germanic admixture.

This is because it is commonest in regions of Southern Europe where Germanic and Celtic people settled heavily. The regions where Visigoths, Vandals, Lombards, Ostrogoths are the blondest!

[Hellenas]

Sorry,I almost laughed,why do you send Shitler's photo and Nazi-saluting Asian guy?I'm pretty anti-nazism.Yes,there're blond people in China,but they're not ethnic Han Chinese,rather the minor ethnicities in Xinjiang.

Don't pretend the fool, what you said about ancient Greeks is a reproduction of Nordicist and Nazi claims.

https://i.imgur.com/oiEimrv.jpg

Nordic race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race

Nazism and race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race


Not much difference between Nordicism, Nazism and lust for Northern Europeans.

http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/20110912-nazi-03.jpg

https://www.losreplicantes.com/images/articulos/3000/3021/5.jpg

https://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/chinasmack/2011/08/nazi-cosplay-11.jpg



But Ancient Greek have light haired gods and heroes,Apollo,Artemis,Aphrodite and Persephone were described as golden haired or fair haired.In Iliad,Achilles was described to had yellow hair(xanthos),and his son Pyrrhus' name means "red haired"

:eusa_naughty:

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[Token]

Sorry,I almost laughed,why do you send Shitler's photo and Nazi-saluting Asian guy?I'm pretty anti-nazism.Yes,there're blond people in China,but they're not ethnic Han Chinese,rather the minor ethnicities in Xinjiang.

Ethnic Northern Han Chinese have a small amount of European admixture via Andronovo so i expect some blondism among them.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

nope, light features came with indo-european migrations from the east, so it isn't native to southern europe.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I wish people would understand this.

Light hair and eyes have always been a minority in Southern Europe, but they have been there since time immemorial and are NOT linked to Germanic, Slavic, Norman, or whatever else admixture but likely to the Indo-European wave of migration that brought Celtic, Italic, and Greek languages there. Sardinia is one of the darkest places in Europe but there are light eyes and hair present there. Same with Cyprus, even though a minority. You can find light hair and eyes in places like Calabria and the Dodecanese, where Germanic and Slavic admixture are at their all time lowest for their respective countries.

We should view light hair and eyes as part of the natural variation in Southern Europe and not assume their presence is due to Slavic and Germanic admixture.

Indo-Europeans aren't native to southern Europe. before they came most of europe not only south was darker pigmented than after them

[Regnera]

Don't pretend the fool, what you said about ancient Greeks is a reproduction of Nordicist and Nazi claims.

https://i.imgur.com/oiEimrv.jpg

Nordic race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race

Nazism and race
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race


Not much difference between Nordicism, Nazism and lust for Northern Europeans.

http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/20110912-nazi-03.jpg

https://www.losreplicantes.com/images/articulos/3000/3021/5.jpg

https://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/chinasmack/2011/08/nazi-cosplay-11.jpg




:eusa_naughty:

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Ancient Greeks had blond/redhead gods and heroes,but it doesn't mean most of them were light haired or light eyed.And I don't think blond people are superior.
BTW,I'm not,and havenever been a Nordicist/Nazi,both of them sucks.

[Regnera]

Ethnic Northern Han Chinese have a small amount of European admixture via Andronovo so i expect some blondism among them.

In fact the only blond Han people I've seen IRL are albinos.

[Hellenas]

...

[alnortedelsur]

I think light eyes and blondism came to Southern Europe through Indo European immigration, so they're not native to Southern Europe. However, southern European countries received important amounts of Indo-European input since ancient times. Therefore, light eyes and blondism are integral part of the normal southern European phenotype variation, without the need of any recent Northern European input. This means that Northern Euros have not the exclusive Monopoly of those traits. I myself have got blue eyes, and I don't have any recent known Northern European ancestry.

[kleenex]

Indo-Europeans aren't native to southern Europe. before they came most of europe not only south was darker pigmented than after them

Actually I've read that light pigmentation was introduced into Europe by G2A neolithics around 7000 BC. So obviously before IE.

[Hellenas]

Ancient Greeks had blond/redhead gods and heroes,but it doesn't mean most of them were light haired or light eyed.And I don't think blond people are superior.
BTW,I'm not,and havenever been a Nordicist/Nazi,both of them sucks.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/InfatuatedFlimsyCoral-max-1mb.gif


:eusa_naughty:


https://i.imgur.com/DeXY2Pq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/crT7gVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zRNrWAC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aMwwwBA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xdjYnDc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Moad09x.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hozmwRl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YFuW5Xp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bwuX0Rh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eHHDc4W.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wMffADw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VbcBcjN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Vk1Um0m.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WPslAmc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/61RY7Tu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/50SLrz8.jpg

[Hellenas]

https://i.imgur.com/I33EMK2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SORVfwF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YOqXgAO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cW2VxX2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8bJYq1v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/v3s1FH3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xvQSLsu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aczBPKR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oCqLFkA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yEkCooH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1OgkCPJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TsXs44l.jpg

[Phenix]

Very true, those linking all traces of light pigmentation to Northern Europe have inferiority complex.

[Kivan]

If blondism occurs even in places like Afghanistan, why couldn't it occur in Southern Europe? People saying or implying that light-haired individuals in "swarthier" regions are always necessarily product of an external influence, are clueless to me.

[kleenex]

https://i.imgur.com/I33EMK2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SORVfwF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YOqXgAO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cW2VxX2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8bJYq1v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/v3s1FH3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xvQSLsu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aczBPKR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oCqLFkA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yEkCooH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1OgkCPJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TsXs44l.jpg

To me it's obvious since classical Greeks had less IE than modern Greeks and no Slavic admixture. The Slavic admixture does exist to some degree in all sections of the mainland. I was having this discussion with my first cousin last night whose mother is from a Slavic village in Laconia. Her features are significantly Slavic as are her brother's. His father (my uncle ) is predominantly Atlanto Med and he, like my mother, are more typical Peloponnesians with minimal Slavo/Baltic influence.

[Hellenas]

the Indo-European wave of migration that brought Celtic, Italic, and Greek languages there.

:eusa_naughty:


Indo-European Origins in Southeast Europe
http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/ieorigins/

Minoans and Mycenaeans Descended from Anatolian Migrants, Ancient DNA Study Suggests
http://www.sci-news.com/genetics/minoans-mycenaeans-anatolian-migrants-05100.html

The Pelasgians-direct ancestors of the Hellenes
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/52/pelasgians-direct-ancestors-hellenes

Greek-like Elements in Linear A
https://grbs.library.duke.edu/article/viewFile/11991/4031

Linear A script(No proof yet it was not Greek)
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/227/linear-script-proof-greek

3,000 BC., Hellenic letters from Milos island
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/206/000-hellenic-letters-milos-island

6,000 BC, Greek letters in Linear B from mainland Greece
http://hellas2010.proboards.com/thread/205/greek-letters-linear-mainland-greece


Some Scientists who doubt the Indo-european Ukrainian steppe theory.

1. The professor of archeology K. Hourmouziadis.
2. The professor of literature of the Athens School of Philosophy Ioannis Probonas.
3. The professor of Anthropology at the Democritus University of Thrace N. Xirotiris.
4. The Dr. of Anthropology Aris Poulianos.
5. The Proffessor of Genetics K. Triantafyllidis.
6. The famous English archeologist and prehistorologist Colin Renfrew.
7. The Bulgarian linguist Vladimir Ivanov Georgiev

http://www.greeks-albanians.com/top-greeks-albanians/gr-m-ga-alb/314-2013-03-29-01-26-40


There always is the other side of the coin... https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1425328905ra/13877956.gif

[Septentrion]

I wish people would understand this.

Light hair and eyes have always been a minority in Southern Europe, but they have been there since time immemorial and are NOT linked to Germanic, Slavic, Norman, or whatever else admixture but likely to the Indo-European wave of migration that brought Celtic, Italic, and Greek languages there. Sardinia is one of the darkest places in Europe but there are light eyes and hair present there. Same with Cyprus, even though a minority. You can find light hair and eyes in places like Calabria and the Dodecanese, where Germanic and Slavic admixture are at their all time lowest for their respective countries.

We should view light hair and eyes as part of the natural variation in Southern Europe and not assume their presence is due to Slavic and Germanic admixture.

Southern Europeans are Europeans, so they can also have light hair or light eyes. Only in regions of Southern Europeans where light hair or light eyes frequencies are above the average for Southern Europe, can we suspect Teutonic or Keltic or Slavic admixture. Regions as such North Italy, Asturias (Spain), Povoa (Portugal) are lighter than the average for their respective countries, thus we can suspect "Northern admixture" from either Germanics or Kelts.

[Tauromachos]

To me it's obvious since classical Greeks had less IE than modern Greeks and no Slavic admixture. The Slavic admixture does exist to some degree in all sections of the mainland.




I was having this discussion with my first cousin last night whose mother is from a Slavic village in Laconia. Her features are significantly Slavic as are her brother's. His father (my uncle ) is predominantly Atlanto Med and he, like my mother, are more typical Peloponnesians with minimal Slavo/Baltic influence.

I have never heard such bullshit
There is no Slavic villages in Laconia.

There were some in the 14th or 15th century mainly located at the peripherial regions of the Taygetos mountains.

But no Slavic speakers remained
They were all absored by the locals at some point and are today Greeks

[Sikeliot]

To me it's obvious since classical Greeks had less IE than modern Greeks and no Slavic admixture. The Slavic admixture does exist to some degree in all sections of the mainland. I was having this discussion with my first cousin last night whose mother is from a Slavic village in Laconia. Her features are significantly Slavic as are her brother's. His father (my uncle ) is predominantly Atlanto Med and he, like my mother, are more typical Peloponnesians with minimal Slavo/Baltic influence.

The Slavic input made it to some islands too, though less than on the mainland.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I think light eyes and blondism came to Southern Europe through Indo European immigration, so they're not native to Southern Europe. However, southern European countries received important amounts of Indo-European input since ancient times. Therefore, light eyes and blondism are integral part of the normal southern European phenotype variation, without the need of any recent Northern European input. This means that Northern Euros have not the exclusive Monopoly of those traits. I myself have got blue eyes, and I don't have any recent known Northern European ancestry.

pretty accurate

[TheAtlantean]

Actually I've read that light pigmentation was introduced into Europe by G2A neolithics around 7000 BC. So obviously before IE.

Light features existed in Europe even before that. They were common in Mesolithic Sweden.

Yes, the Neolithic settlers had lighter skin than typical WHG though.

However, light features were not widespread across Europe as they are today until the Steppe migrations.

Even the Bell Beaker who had a blond element were not as light as the Andronovo.

[renaissance12]

Ok

[renaissance12]

Sorry,I almost laughed,why do you send Shitler's photo and Nazi-saluting Asian guy?I'm pretty anti-nazism.Yes,there're blond people in China,but they're not ethnic Han Chinese,rather the minor ethnicities in Xinjiang.


China is bigger than all Europe.... and old chinese called blonde-White-men... Yellow monkeys...



I like very much this movie

http://media.cineblog.it/5/509/dragon-blade-nuovo-trailer-e-poster-del-film-con-jackie-chan-john-cusack-e-adrien-brody.jpg

[HelloGuys]

Agree, many people think Northern Euros have monopoly of light eyes and think lighter features in Southern Europe all derive from Northern European ancestry.
Same for blondism, even Australoids have an independent mutation for blonde hair.

Yeah; Melanesians have it too (Solomon Islands)

[Regnera]

China is bigger than all Europe.... and old chinese called blonde-White-men... Yellow monkeys...



I like very much this movie

http://media.cineblog.it/5/509/dragon-blade-nuovo-trailer-e-poster-del-film-con-jackie-chan-john-cusack-e-adrien-brody.jpg

I'm glad for you like this movie
But old Chinese people don't call blond guys Yellow monkeys(but some white racist call Asians "Yellow monkey"),they call the blond white guys "Golden monkeys"（金丝猴）