View Full Version : Is Southern European admixture in Cyprus Greek?
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 07:23 PM
Average AncestryDNA scores for Cypriots:
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The major Southern European component in Cypriots is of Italian origin according to these tests. So this would mean that the Romans and Venetians left a bigger genetic footprint than the Ancient Greeks. Another important note is that during Venetian rule, Catholic settlers to Cyprus not only consisted of North Italians but also Central and Southern Italians aswell. I can see that the Greek element is still there however there is no telling whether or not these people are the descendants of Greek refugees from Northern Greece so it is debatable. My theory is that before Venetian rule, Cyprus probably had more Greek admixture but started to deplete after the centuries.
Prove me wrong if you can.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 07:39 PM
bump
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 07:48 PM
According to this tests
But this tests have no scientific value
Of course the Southern European ancestry in Cyprus comes from Ancient Greek people
Teucer
01-07-2019, 07:50 PM
It is pretty hard to prove someone wrong when they haven't proven themselves to be right yet
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 07:50 PM
According to this tests
But this tests have no scientific value
Of course the Southern European ancestry in Cyprus comes from Ancient Greek people
Only a part of it is from Ancient Greeks.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 07:53 PM
It is pretty hard to prove someone wrong when they haven't proven themselves to be right yet
Why don't you enlighten me
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:03 PM
Only a part of it is from Ancient Greeks.
It seems some people want to believe Cypriots have any sort of Ancestry(even Venetian one)
only no Greek
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:08 PM
It seems some people want to believe Cypriots have any sort of Ancestry(even Venetian one)
other than Greek
I'm not being funny but what does a Balkanite like you know about Cyprus that I don't. My whole family are from here. I've actually studied the history of the island and lived here multiple times. Something that you probably haven't done.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:12 PM
Why don't you enlighten me
Firstly you are the one advancing an argument. The burden is on you to prove your hypothesis correct, not only merely declaring it to be true, i.e that the southern Med admixture in Cypriots to be Italian and not Greek.
Second, even though you think you have provided evidence, you haven't. You haven't considered enough variables, both genetic or historical, and the only evidence you have cited is speculation at best.
Genetic: You are using one ancestry test for proof. You would need more to actually produce a reliable sample.
You haven't asked what constitutes 'Italian' ancestry in this test and therefore are not aware of its meaning. Does it include both north and south? If so, how are the disparities between these regions reconciled?
Southern Italy in particular received a significant amount of Greek input, too, but how is this reflected in this test, if at all?
How do these results from a particular ancestry test compare to other different types of Greeks and Italians? Where is the comparative analysis.
Historical: Since your historical conclusions stem from faulty genetic presumptions, they are also invalid and unreliable for obvious reasons.
There is no evidence (that I know of) of significant settlement and colonisation from Rome or Venice, despite their rule of the island.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:16 PM
Firstly you are the one advancing an argument. The burden is on you to prove your hypothesis correct, not only merely declaring it to be true, i.e that the southern Med admixture in Cypriots to be Italian and not Greek.
Second, even though you think you have provided evidence, you haven't. You haven't considered enough variables, both genetic or historical, and the only evidence you have cited is speculation at best.
Genetic: You are using one ancestry test for proof. You would need more to actually produce a reliable sample.
You haven't asked what constitutes 'Italian' ancestry in this test and therefore are not aware of its meaning. Does it include both north and south? If so, how are the disparities between these regions reconciled?
Southern Italy in particular received a significant amount of Greek input, too, but how is this reflected in this test, if at all?
How do these results from a particular ancestry test compare to other different types of Greeks and Italians? Where is the comparative analysis.
Historical: Since your historical conclusions stem from faulty genetic presumptions, they are also invalid and unreliable for obvious reasons.
There is no evidence (that I know of) of significant settlement and colonisation from Rome or Venice, despite their rule of the island.
There were Latin strongholds all over the island. Most of them had the word Agia or Agios in front of them.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:17 PM
Firstly you are the one advancing an argument. The burden is on you to prove your hypothesis correct, not only merely declaring it to be true, i.e that the southern Med admixture in Cypriots to be Italian and not Greek.
The first obstacle he might encounter if he realy wanted to prove that its Italian is
that Italians didn't even exist at the time most of this type of ancestry already existed in Cyprus
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:19 PM
There were Latin strongholds all over the island. Most of them had the word Agia or Agios in front of them.
And there were Greek strongholds too. And French! The French held Cyprus for longer than the Turks and I don't see any Western-European DNA popping up in this ancestry test
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:20 PM
I'm not being funny but what does a Balkanite like you know about Cyprus that I don't. My whole family are from here. I've actually studied the history of the island and lived here multiple times. Something that you probably haven't done.
First how do you know i'm Balkanite?
What do you know about my specific background or where do i plot?
What i know about Cyprus
I lived in UK where most Greeks are Cypriots and have been around them alot
And they always tell me :"oh you look like my cousin in this or that village in Cyprus
you look like a friend i have in Paphos ect ect"
Or when i meet a Cypriot
"Ah you speak Greek?, Apo thn Tschipron eisai koumbarui?"
What does a turkish asshole know about Ancient Greece or Ancient Greeks?
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:23 PM
And there were Greek strongholds too. And French! The French held Cyprus for longer than the Turks and I don't see any Western-European DNA popping up in this ancestry test
Yes but maybe the French didn't have a settlement policy like the Venetians or Turks. When the British came to Cyprus they just kept to themselves and never mixed with the natives. What's your point?
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:29 PM
Yes but maybe the French didn't have a settlement policy like the Venetians or Turks. When the British came to Cyprus they just kept to themselves and never mixed with the natives. What's your point?
Turks don't exist
They are bastard artificial people who stole everyting from others and sucked the blood and life force of all people they conquered
Like a cancer!
Ai sictir Pic
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:29 PM
Firstly you are the one advancing an argument. The burden is on you to prove your hypothesis correct, not only merely declaring it to be true, i.e that the southern Med admixture in Cypriots to be Italian and not Greek.
Second, even though you think you have provided evidence, you haven't. You haven't considered enough variables, both genetic or historical, and the only evidence you have cited is speculation at best.
Genetic: You are using one ancestry test for proof. You would need more to actually produce a reliable sample.
You haven't asked what constitutes 'Italian' ancestry in this test and therefore are not aware of its meaning. Does it include both north and south? If so, how are the disparities between these regions reconciled?
Southern Italy in particular received a significant amount of Greek input, too, but how is this reflected in this test, if at all?
How do these results from a particular ancestry test compare to other different types of Greeks and Italians? Where is the comparative analysis.
Historical: Since your historical conclusions stem from faulty genetic presumptions, they are also invalid and unreliable for obvious reasons.
There is no evidence (that I know of) of significant settlement and colonisation from Rome or Venice, despite their rule of the island.
Please don't give me this "Italy pops up because it was settled by Greeks" nonsense. Like that makes a valid argument somehow. If that was the case it would come out as Greek and not Italian.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:32 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22616&dateline=1546745434
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:32 PM
Turks don't exist
They are bastard artificial people who stole everyting from others and sucked the blood and life force of all people they conquered
Ai sictir Pic
Is that why you tried to genocide us in the 60's? Did you know that EOKA B terrorists used to bury Turkish people alive. The more you know.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:33 PM
Yes but maybe the French didn't have a settlement policy like the Venetians or Turks. When the British came to Cyprus they just kept to themselves and never mixed with the natives. What's your point?
What is your proof that the Venetians had an extensive settlement policy? Do you consider the movement of merchants to be the same as a full scale colonisation effort?
Also, it has been genetically proven that the Turks certainly did not colonise the island or leave any impact. If so, we would be much closer to Turks on the same PCA plot you constructed, and Cypriots simply are not.
All Cypriots, whether Greek of Turkish, have been proven to be effectively the same people with marginal differences: the differences being that TCs have almost negligible input from mainland Turkey. It has been well-known for a long time now that modern TCs where GCs who converted to Islam due to the Dhimmi system the Ottomans implemented hundreds of years ago.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:34 PM
Yes but maybe the French didn't have a settlement policy like the Venetians or Turks. When the British came to Cyprus they just kept to themselves and never mixed with the natives. What's your point?
What is your proof that the Venetians had an extensive settlement policy? Do you consider the movement of merchants to be the same as a full scale colonisation effort?
Also, it has been genetically proven that the Turks certainly did not colonise the island or leave any impact. If so, we would be much closer to Turks on the same PCA plot you constructed, and Cypriots simply are not.
All Cypriots, whether Greek of Turkish, have been proven to be effectively the same people with marginal differences: the differences being that TCs have almost negligible input from mainland Turkey. It has been well-known for a long time now that modern TCs where GCs who converted to Islam due to the Dhimmi system the Ottomans implemented hundreds of years ago.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:35 PM
What is your proof that the Venetians had an extensive settlement policy? Do you consider the movement of merchants to be the same as a full scale colonisation effort?
Also, it has been genetically proven that the Turks certainly did not colonise the island or leave any impact. If so, we would be much closer to Turks on the same PCA plot you constructed, and Cypriots simply are not.
All Cypriots, whether Greek of Turkish, have been proven to be effectively the same people with marginal differences: the differences being that TCs have almost negligible input from mainland Turkey. It has been well-known for a long time now that modern TCs where GCs who converted to Islam due to the Dhimmi system the Ottomans implemented hundreds of years ago.
Well that negligible input from mainland Turkey is more than the negligible input from Mainland Greeks.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:35 PM
Is that why you tried to genocide us in the 60's? Did you know that EOKA B terrorists used to bury Turkish people alive. The more you know.
Turks tried to genocide 3 people that lived in their country for centuries
1)Armenians
2)Pontic Greeks
3)Assyrian Christians
The best documented genocide is the one on Armenians which Turkish Republic until today refuses to admit
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:37 PM
What is your proof that the Venetians had an extensive settlement policy? Do you consider the movement of merchants to be the same as a full scale colonisation effort?
Also, it has been genetically proven that the Turks certainly did not colonise the island or leave any impact. If so, we would be much closer to Turks on the same PCA plot you constructed, and Cypriots simply are not.
All Cypriots, whether Greek of Turkish, have been proven to be effectively the same people with marginal differences: the differences being that TCs have almost negligible input from mainland Turkey. It has been well-known for a long time now that modern TCs where GCs who converted to Islam due to the Dhimmi system the Ottomans implemented hundreds of years ago.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4907/46306562771_47ddcc468b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dxXePi)nico (https://flic.kr/p/2dxXePi) by Levent Yildiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160785594@N06/), on Flickr
Thanas Django
01-07-2019, 08:37 PM
The Venetian footprint in Cyprus is insignificant. Only a handful of noble families, their followings (sattelite lesser noble familes) and troops settled the island during the 80 year occupation period of the Venetians (who picked up from the French Lusignan who also only settled a few noble families and troops.)
As for Italy and Greece, their history is so intertwined that the decision of a DNA company to list a batch of ancient DNA SNPs as Greek or Italian is a matter of who the bigger market would be. 10 million Greeks or 60 million Italians. There are still Greek speaking people in Italy.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:38 PM
Please don't give me this "Italy pops up because it was settled by Greeks" nonsense. Like that makes a valid argument somehow. If that was the case it would come out as Greek and not Italian.
Again, you are assuming too much. You are assuming that the genetics of different peoples have been static for thousands of years and have not changed. You are assuming that Italians and Greeks don't have significant overlap when they do, at least those in the south. Also, this is one ancestry test by one company that have themselves decided where to draw the line between different ancestries. To make your conclusion reliable you need to check other ancestry tests. What is considered Italian in this one may be considered Greek in an other, or possibly even something else.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:38 PM
Turks tried to genocide 3 people that lived in their country for centuries
1)Armenians
2)Pontic Greeks
3)Assyrian Christians
The best documented genocide is the one on Armenians which Turkish Republic until today refuses to admit
Does two wrongs make a right?
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:40 PM
First how do you know i'm Balkanite?
What do you know about my specific background or where do i plot?
What i know about Cyprus
I lived in UK where most Greeks are Cypriots and have been around them alot
And they always tell me :"oh you look like my cousin in this or that village in Cyprus
you look like a friend i have in Paphos ect ect"
Or when i meet a Cypriot
"Ah you speak Greek?, Apo thn Tschipron eisai koumbarui?"
What does a turkish asshole know about Ancient Greece or Ancient Greeks?
Just because you have a couple of Cypriot friends don't make you a Cypriot.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:41 PM
Well that negligible input from mainland Turkey is more than the negligible input from Mainland Greeks.
Wow, I didn't realise it would be that easy to make you admit your agenda. I was expecting at least page 5.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:41 PM
Please don't give me this "Italy pops up because it was settled by Greeks" nonsense. Like that makes a valid argument somehow. If that was the case it would come out as Greek and not Italian.
It isn't a valid argument, it is a variable you haven't accounted for.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:44 PM
Wow, I didn't realise it would be that easy to make you admit your agenda. I was expecting at least page 5.
If somebody has an agenda than it would be you and SuperBalkanite. You are all taught to hate Turks from a young age. I had experience from a young Greek Cypriot once. He was the most bigoted person I've ever met. Us Turkish Cypriots just want equal rights and bigots like you always want to treat us like second class citizens.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:44 PM
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4907/46306562771_47ddcc468b_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2dxXePi)nico (https://flic.kr/p/2dxXePi) by Levent Yildiz (https://www.flickr.com/photos/160785594@N06/), on Flickr
I will refer you to an actual published academic paper.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:45 PM
Just because you have a couple of Cypriot friends don't make you a Cypriot.
I'm not a Balkanite neither
Also what a son of a Turkish whore thinks about me or Greeks or Cyprus doesn't matter at all
Turks should be the last people who have to say anything about Cyprus
Turkish Snake!
https://cottagelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/shutterstock_576383449-1200x700.jpg
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:46 PM
If somebody has an agenda than it would be you and SuperBalkanite. You are all taught to hate Turks from a young age. I had experience from a young Greek Cypriot once. He was the most bigoted person I've ever met. Us Turkish Cypriots just want equal rights and bigots like you always want to treat us like second class citizens.
What have I said that makes you think that? All I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your argument and logic. If you can prove Cypriots have no Greek ancestry but have Turkish input, please do.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:47 PM
I will refer you to an actual published academic paper.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0179474
This barchart is a representation of the haplotypes found in Turkish and Greek Cypriots
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:47 PM
If somebody has an agenda than it would be you and SuperBalkanite. You are all taught to hate Turks from a young age. I had experience from a young Greek Cypriot once. He was the most bigoted person I've ever met. Us Turkish Cypriots just want equal rights and bigots like you always want to treat us like second class citizens.
And I have had discussions with TCs who think that Cyprus has been Turkish since time immemorial and that Britain colonised it with Christians from Greece to change its demographics. There are morons on both sides.
I would love you to quote anything I said which is bigoted.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:48 PM
This barchart is a representation of the haplotypes found in Turkish and Greek Cypriots
I saw, but there is nothing wrong with reading more research. Give it a gander.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:49 PM
This barchart is a representation of the haplotypes found in Turkish and Greek Cypriots
And the barchart is posted by another Turk
Surprise Surprise
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:49 PM
What have I said that makes you think that? All I am doing is pointing out the flaws in your argument and logic. If you can prove Cypriots have no Greek ancestry but have Turkish input, please do.
I NEVER SAID THAT GREEK CYPRIOTS HAVE NO GREEK ANCESTRY. I ONLY SAID THAT IT WAS A SMALL PART OF THEIR ANCESTRY! You get so triggered, its like you can't admit the truth.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:50 PM
And I have had discussions with TCs who think that Cyprus has been Turkish since time immemorial and that Britain colonised it with Christians from Greece to change its demographics. There are morons on both sides.
Turks are the bigger morons
They are hypocrites and liers and always trie to be manipulative
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:51 PM
And the barchart is posted by another Turk
Surprise Surprise
Only a bigot like you would care about the nationality of the gentleman conducting the research. It was not just him but a team of GC and TC specialists. This was to make the outcome unbiased.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:52 PM
I NEVER SAID THAT GREEK CYPRIOTS HAVE NO GREEK ANCESTRY. I ONLY SAID THAT IT WAS A SMALL PART OF THEIR ANCESTRY! You get so triggered, its like you can't admit the truth.
And my second post refers specifically to that conclusion, why I think it is wrong and how I am open to you to prove it right. I'm not the one writing in all caps.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:53 PM
Only a bigot like you would care about the nationality of the gentleman conducting the research. It was not just him but a team of GC and TC specialists. This was to make the outcome unbiased.
But remember haplogroups can only reveal so much. Autosomal is also a significant, if not more significant component.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:53 PM
Turks are the bigger morons
They are hypocrites and liers and always trie to be manipulative
You Greeks can't even admit to the fact that you have Italian ancestry.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:55 PM
Turks are the bigger morons
They are hypocrites and liers and always trie to be manipulative
I have met mainlanders and Cypriots who are also all of the above. Being Turkish doesn't mean that you will be a hypocrite or a liar. Being human does.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 08:56 PM
But remember haplogroups can only reveal so much. Autosomal is also a significant, if not more significant component.
They are Haplotypes not Haplogroups. They are a sub-division of Haplogroups which makes them more reliable than haplogroups. And its not a coincidence that TCs share a lot of haplotypes with Turkey.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 08:58 PM
You Greeks can't even admit to the fact that you have Italian ancestry.
You Turks can't admit the fact that you don't exist
There is not "Turkish" look. Turks look Anatolian Armenoids, Swarthy Iranoids, Armenoid Armenians and Georgians, Turanid Turkics, Meds, Balkanians, Slavs etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJSUYkkXSk
Teucer
01-07-2019, 08:58 PM
You Greeks can't even admit to the fact that you have Italian ancestry.
No one is contesting that, at least I am not. What I am contesting is your assertion that Cypriots have negligible Greek ancestry, or that the Italian is more prominent than Greek. It may very well be true. We all have our biases, and admittedly that is mine in this context, but I am open to being proven wrong.
Please prove to me that the majority of southern European ancestry in Cypriots is more Italian than ancient Greek.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUHmVHXzwnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNYEVsLkuag
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:02 PM
They are Haplotypes not Haplogroups. They are a sub-division of Haplogroups which makes them more reliable than haplogroups. And its not a coincidence that TCs share a lot of haplotypes with Turkey.
Interesting. Looks like GCs have more Greek, Albanian and Italian than TCs
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:03 PM
You Turks can't admit the fact that you don't exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJSUYkkXSk
SuperDorian, if your not going to contribute anything intelligent to the discussion then get the fuck out and stop wasting everbody's time please
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:03 PM
Interesting. Looks like GCs have more Greek, Albanian and Italian than TCs
Precisely
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:05 PM
Precisely
There are differences, the paper I shared also documents them. All I am saying is that they are not as large as some might think. Even from your PCA plot you know Cypriots are more alike than not.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:06 PM
Anyone who is a real Greek has to cut the Turkish lies and manipulation as Heraklis cut the head of the Lernaia Ydra
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i_ss9HTvq0s/Tlv3fpLUf6I/AAAAAAAADOg/CJuq9bm_7Y8/s1600/Hercules_Hydra.jpg
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:08 PM
Look Teucer, I know that you might be a bit biased and that is understandable. I myself have biases too but leaving that aside there seems to be an obvious genetic affinity between Italy and Cyprus. That is my conclusion.
Thanas Django
01-07-2019, 09:10 PM
I had experience from a young Greek Cypriot once.
I am filing this under anecdotal evidence.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:10 PM
SuperDorian, if your not going to contribute anything intelligent to the discussion then get the fuck out and stop wasting everbody's time please
The only intelligence you Turks have is in manipulating and influencing other people's minds
Thats what you have been doing and how you ruled over centuries
You have to settle down and keep your mouths shut
Otherwise the wrath of God will come one day over you and you will be seriously punished
Thanas Django
01-07-2019, 09:11 PM
there seems to be an obvious genetic affinity between Italy and Cyprus. That is my conclusion.
Yes, both settled by Achaean Greeks.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:11 PM
There are differences, the paper I shared also documents them. All I am saying is that they are not as large as some might think. Even from your PCA plot you know Cypriots are more alike than not.
Yes that is true.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:11 PM
Some nice Ancient Greek art
Also Cypriot one
https://www.infokids.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/%CE%BB%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%B1-%CE%8E%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%B1.jpg
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:12 PM
Look Teucer, I know that you might be a bit biased and that is understandable. I myself have biases too but leaving that aside there seems to be an obvious genetic affinity between Italy and Cyprus. That is my conclusion.
Are you sure that conclusion is not more informed by your biases than evidence? If not, then you will try to find more evidence to prove yourself wrong to make sure you are in fact correct.
Cyprus definitely has an affinity toward Calabria, which is documented in the paper I shared, but whether that is a result of direct influence from Italy itself or more indirectly through other people is questionable. I have read of no mass migration of Calabrians to Cyprus.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:12 PM
http://ebooks.edu.gr/modules/ebook/show.php/DSDIM-C103/88/698,2632/images/img2_1.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7-ES043ugjSzHMtFhunHLvUjcQ6bphu9_4HoI9b2cvlSw9okIhtt ps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Athena_Herakles_Staatliche_Antikensammlungen_2648. jpg
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:14 PM
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Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:15 PM
Funny Thread.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:17 PM
The only intelligence you Turks have is in manipulating and influencing other people's minds
Thats what you have been doing and how you ruled over centuries
You have to settle down and keep your mouths shut
Otherwise the wrath of God will come one day over you and you will be seriously punished
:picard2:
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:20 PM
Some Ancient Greek Art(How real Ancient Greeks looked like)
i guess many of them pass in Cyprus
https://i.imgur.com/IWMe3oq.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/s2xJ74G.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:21 PM
Does he pass in Cyprus?
I think he does
https://i.imgur.com/Ezw4v8J.jpg
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:21 PM
Are you sure that conclusion is not more informed by your biases than evidence? If not, then you will try to find more evidence to prove yourself wrong to make sure you are in fact correct.
Cyprus definitely has an affinity toward Calabria, which is documented in the paper I shared, but whether that is a result of direct influence from Italy itself or more indirectly through other people is questionable. I have read of no mass migration of Calabrians to Cyprus.
So what was the name of this new genetic testing site which separates Greek and Italian DNA called?
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:23 PM
If not,then these Minoans do for sure
https://www.historicmysteries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Knossos_fresco_women-1024x644.jpg
Or their descendants,modern Cretans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhq87_lIKC4
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:23 PM
Some Ancient Greek Art(How real Ancient Greeks looked like)
i guess many of them pass in Cyprus
https://i.imgur.com/IWMe3oq.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/s2xJ74G.jpg
They're cartoon characters. You can't classify cartoon characters.:picard2:
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:25 PM
Hercules was a mythological person. Post historical persons.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8lbENsVzNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1kFygz_ee0
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:28 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/c7a108e38ba8fca654e97e6140e19849.jpg
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:31 PM
So what was the name of this new genetic testing site which separates Greek and Italian DNA called?
Different tests have different analytical methods and designations, that's why many people get their DNA tested with multiple companies. Basing your conclusion on one test because it suits your worldview isn't reasonable.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:32 PM
Ok Teucer, Lets wait 10 years. By that time, DNA analysis will become more precise. Then we will see.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpZlZnb8DbQ
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:34 PM
My personal opinion is that the Cypriots are in majority Hellenized West Asians with a significant Greek input.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:36 PM
Different tests have different analytical methods and designations, that's why many people get their DNA tested with multiple companies. Basing your conclusion on one test because it suits your worldview isn't reasonable.
I've tried other tests, My heritage, FTDNA, Wegene, you name it. they are all similar. In Thanas Django's 23 and me test, if I recall correctly he got something like 1% Balkans and a lot of Italian.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KjDWMyS0Qo
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:40 PM
I've tried other tests, My heritage, FTDNA, Wegene, you name it. they are all similar. In Thanas Django's 23 and me test, if I recall correctly he got something like 1% Balkans and a lot of Italian.
And in gedmatch he was pulled toward the Balkans, which is why he humorously has 'Macedonian Cypriot' in his profile
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:40 PM
What about the Cretan musicians in this video?
To Nordic or Balkan looking for Cyprus?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUWRUvR187Y
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:42 PM
Or this one
Looks to Balkan for Cyprus
The average Italians is more Medish than him
Right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MheyANyvUUw
dosas
01-07-2019, 09:43 PM
Our Cypriot brothers and sisters are drilling the gas out of their sea, with the help of our Israeli and American allies. The turkish snakes hiss for having no claim to this treasure and they try to spit their venom, but to no avail. History decided you lose.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:45 PM
My personal opinion is that the Cypriots are in majority Hellenized West Asians with a significant Greek input.
They are likely a combination of 'native' stock (Copper-Age Anatolian), then Greek and then Phoenician with a bunch of other minor inputs too
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:45 PM
https://youtu.be/b71Hr-o0Glk
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:46 PM
And in gedmatch he was pulled toward the Balkans, which is why he humorously has 'Macedonian Cypriot' in his profile
How do you know that it was not the Italian that was pulling him towards the Balkans?
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:47 PM
They are likely a combination of 'native' stock (Copper-Age Anatolian), then Greek and then Phoenician with a bunch of other minor inputs too
Honestly you could be right but I'm just leaving it out there. You got to be open minded and consider all options.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:47 PM
Our Cypriot brothers and sisters are drilling the gas out of their sea, with the help of our Israeli and American allies. The turkish snakes hiss for having no claim to this treasure and they try to spit their venom, but to no avail. History decided you lose.
Hopefully
Its time for Turks to pay their duty
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:47 PM
https://youtu.be/b71Hr-o0Glk
That is my cousin btw
Teucer
01-07-2019, 09:48 PM
Our Cypriot brothers and sisters are drilling the gas out of their sea, with the help of our Israeli and American allies. The turkish snakes hiss for having no claim to this treasure and they try to spit their venom, but to no avail. History decided you lose.
Well, not exactly. Cyprus will eventually unite, and since the north has been settled by mainland Turks who in all reasonableness cannot be forced to go back, the demographics of the island will change significantly. The Greeks will not have the same majority as before.
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:50 PM
That is my cousin btwNice results tho
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 09:51 PM
https://youtu.be/b71Hr-o0Glk
Here's mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEnAr4bG6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEnAr4bG6I
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:51 PM
https://youtu.be/rzBcIEEqgEg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUhk8Wzy-5k
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:54 PM
https://youtu.be/-8nILjo0yiUGreek Cypriot results. You have a point here.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:55 PM
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Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 09:58 PM
http://www.historyshistories.com/uploads/5/5/3/8/55383793/4403346_orig.jpg
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 09:58 PM
This images are from Crete Knossos.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:00 PM
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p01hf7cy.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:03 PM
https://au.greekreporter.com/files/2018/01/museofash.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:03 PM
https://www.cretevillas4u.com/photos/blog/thumb_74_800530.jpg
https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Year-Old-Advanced-Minoan.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:06 PM
A special gift of Minoan Art from Crete one of my ancestors homeland to lonelywolfcypriot
https://www.kanopy.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/vp_thumbnail_medium/video-assets/1084702_landscape.jpg?1536249813
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IebDHwASW7c/maxresdefault.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:07 PM
More Minoan Art
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKU1qVv4Fm0q5W9D8dDOizi5lwKK4hE 9YtqlRRv2DxavGQMizQ
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:10 PM
And now a very special gift to lonelywolfcypriot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1iVY0ZzcJU
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:12 PM
Lol what happened to this fucker why is he giving me excessive thumbs down?
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:15 PM
Lol what happened to this fucker why is he giving me excessive thumbs down?Because you spamming Off Topic images man.
Teucer
01-07-2019, 10:17 PM
Because you spamming Off Topic images man.
You are new here? Have you happened to get your ancestry tested?
EDIT: Forgot it wasn't 2018 anymore
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:18 PM
You are new here? Have you happened to get your ancestry tested?No money to do test unfortunately
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:19 PM
https://img.scoop.it/TuwRCdo5xmdIpc3t04UDUzl72eJkfbmt4t8yenImKBVvK0kTmF 0xjctABnaLJIm9
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 10:21 PM
You are new here? Have you happened to get your ancestry tested?
EDIT: Forgot it wasn't 2018 anymore
If its not too much to ask for, could you show me your test results please.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:23 PM
If its not too much to ask for, could you show me your test results please.
lonelywolfcypriot Malaka
Ade gamisu
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:24 PM
Because you spamming Off Topic images man.And I received a thumb down. Nice
Teucer
01-07-2019, 10:24 PM
If its not too much to ask for, could you show me your test results please.
I told you before that I haven't done it. Don't like the idea of a corporation to have my DNA and then sell it off. I am perfectly content in being a Hellenised West Asian for the time being.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:26 PM
And I received a thumb down. Nice
Ade gamisu gie poutanas
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:29 PM
https://youtu.be/YnVpMg8quqM
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:32 PM
Greek Cypriots score Italian as far I can see. The Irony is that the Turkish Cypriots score Mainland Greece. Interesting.
Dorian
01-07-2019, 10:34 PM
You know what I was thinking?this kind of islamization of Greeks was good in the end if you think about it ,that way we got to keep the most brave&disobedient Greeks while durks took the most cowardish with low iq&selfish genes and the result is inferior-complexed "people" like lonedonkeycypriot whose far ancestors would be ashamed of and his more recent ancestors who got islamicized,this kind of people wouldn't hesitate to change ethnicities like it's a clothing ,poustia(faggotry)runs in their blood.
And this of course applies to the large majority of durks,it was like an eugenics program where the good genes were introduced into Greek,Armenian,Kurd etc gene pools while the bottom became the durks just like gypsies who came to Europe as the lowest caste of Indians.
There's going to be a time when you'll beg&cry to be accepted back as a Greek Cypriot but the answer will be a bullet in your heart ,mashallah...
Papastratosels26
01-07-2019, 10:36 PM
You know what I was thinking?this kind of islamization of Greeks was good in the end if you think about it ,that way we got to keep the most brave&disobedient Greeks while durks took the most cowardish with low iq&selfish genes and the result is inferior-complexed "people" like lonedonkeycypriot whose far ancestors would be ashamed of and his more recent ancestors who got islamicized,this kind of people wouldn't hesitate to change ethnicities like it's a clothing ,poustia(faggotry)runs in their blood.
And this of course applies to the large majority of durks,it was like an eugenics program where the good genes were introduced into Greek,Armenian,Kurd etc gene pools while the bottom became the durks just like gypsies who came to Europe as the lowest caste of Indians.
There's going to be a time when you'll beg&cry to be accepted back as a Greek Cypriot but the answer will be a bullet in your heart ,mashallah...The fall of Byzantine Empire was good for the Hellenism. Να ξεχωρίσει η ηρα απ το σιτάρι.
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 10:39 PM
You know what I was thinking?this kind of islamization of Greeks was good in the end if you think about it ,that way we got to keep the most brave&disobedient Greeks while durks took the most cowardish with low iq&selfish genes and the result is inferior-complexed "people" like lonedonkeycypriot whose far ancestors would be ashamed of and his more recent ancestors who got islamicized,this kind of people wouldn't hesitate to change ethnicities like it's a clothing ,poustia(faggotry)runs in their blood.
And this of course applies to the large majority of durks,it was like an eugenics program where the good genes were introduced into Greek,Armenian,Kurd etc gene pools while the bottom became the durks just like gypsies who came to Europe as the lowest caste of Indians.
There's going to be a time when you'll beg&cry to be accepted back as a Greek Cypriot but the answer will be a bullet in your heart ,mashallah...
I am privileged to call myself a janissary
Dorian
01-07-2019, 10:44 PM
I am privileged to call myself a janissary
That's good for you,anyone can be proud of his "bad"qualities ,I am too!but your identity is just this,"opportunist" not durk or anything,your ethnicity is only based on paper.
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:47 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22616&dateline=1546745434
Dorian
01-07-2019, 10:49 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22616&dateline=1546745434
https://i.postimg.cc/pdVf1Fw1/fasfaokl.png (https://postimages.org/)anthropology professor salary (https://forensicanthropologist.net/)
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 10:51 PM
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22616&dateline=1546745434
do you know who that is?
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 10:52 PM
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mZgAAOSww9xZIwfI/s-l300.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 11:02 PM
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/86/84/eb8684a126a16474d1ba5c9d48542df1.jpg
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 11:07 PM
do you know who that is?
https://i.imgur.com/CQDqLdd.png?1
arkas
01-07-2019, 11:25 PM
Off-topic but which Greek and non-Greek populations are Cypriots closest to?
lonewolfcypriot
01-07-2019, 11:30 PM
Off-topic but which Greek and non-Greek populations are Cypriots closest to?
Closest Greek population are Cretans, Closest Non-Greek population are Jews and Levantine populations supposedly
Tauromachos
01-07-2019, 11:30 PM
Off-topic but which Greek and non-Greek populations are Cypriots closest to?
Cypriots are closer of course to North Italians than to Mainland Greeks
I think Venetians are very close to Cypriots
arkas
01-07-2019, 11:40 PM
Closest Greek population are Cretans, Closest Non-Greek population are Jews and Levantine populations supposedly
Cypriots are closer of course to North Italians than to Mainland Greeks
I think Venetians are very close to Cypriots
Hm...
Sikeliot
01-07-2019, 11:45 PM
Of course it is Greek.
The issue is modern Greeks in that sample, likely mainlanders, are so mixed with Slavs that it is better proxied with Italian admixture.
Sikeliot
01-07-2019, 11:47 PM
Are you sure that conclusion is not more informed by your biases than evidence? If not, then you will try to find more evidence to prove yourself wrong to make sure you are in fact correct.
Cyprus definitely has an affinity toward Calabria, which is documented in the paper I shared, but whether that is a result of direct influence from Italy itself or more indirectly through other people is questionable. I have read of no mass migration of Calabrians to Cyprus.
The least Levantine of Cypriots, and the most Levantine of Calabrians, do overlap and plot together. There is some convergence there.
arkas
01-07-2019, 11:54 PM
Of course it is Greek.
The issue is modern Greeks in that sample, likely mainlanders, are so mixed with Slavs that it is better proxied with Italian admixture.
What is your guesstimate percentage of how much Slavic dna the average Mainland Greek has?
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 12:23 AM
What is your guesstimate percentage of how much Slavic dna the average Mainland Greek has?
I would give an estimate of 20-40% depending on the region. It also appears to me like some islanders, like Cyclades and North Aegean also have Slavic input but it is probably in the 5-15% range. Dodecanese seem to be the only Greeks from Greece who lack it: as such, they plot with Calabrians on PCA plots.
Rgvgjhvv
01-08-2019, 12:28 AM
I would give an estimate of 20-40% depending on the region. It also appears to me like some islanders, like Cyclades and North Aegean also have Slavic input but it is probably in the 5-15% range. Dodecanese seem to be the only Greeks from Greece who lack it: as such, they plot with Calabrians on PCA plots.
That is absolute insanity haha, holy crap
arkas
01-08-2019, 12:34 AM
I would give an estimate of 20-40% depending on the region. It also appears to me like some islanders, like Cyclades and North Aegean also have Slavic input but it is probably in the 5-15% range. Dodecanese seem to be the only Greeks from Greece who lack it: as such, they plot with Calabrians on PCA plots.
Do you think it shows in the phenotype of our fellow TA member, Markos?
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 01:21 AM
Do you think it shows in the phenotype of our fellow TA member, Markos?
No. But compared to Sicily or Crete he does have a NE European shift. But not enough to show phenotypically.
The Slavic input in mainland Greeks is also why Aegean islanders score a lot of Italian.
arkas
01-08-2019, 01:33 AM
No. But compared to Sicily or Crete he does have a NE European shift. But not enough to show phenotypically.
The Slavic input in mainland Greeks is also why Aegean islanders score a lot of Italian.
I agree and that is interesting, how about Slavic input in Italy? What region is it strongest?
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 01:34 AM
I agree and that is interesting, how about Slavic input in Italy? What region is it strongest?
Various parts of the Adriatic coast but for different reasons. NE Italy may have direct Slavic input, but places like Apulia seem to have acquired it indirectly through recent Greek input (last 1000 years).
kleenex
01-08-2019, 01:34 AM
I would give an estimate of 20-40% depending on the region. It also appears to me like some islanders, like Cyclades and North Aegean also have Slavic input but it is probably in the 5-15% range. Dodecanese seem to be the only Greeks from Greece who lack it: as such, they plot with Calabrians on PCA plots.
Woah no way it's that high. Don't you remember the Stamyanaopoulos study? Here's a quote about Peloponnesians who vary slightly from Thessalians: "The average shared ancestry with French ranges from 39 to 42%; with Andalusians from 53 to 62%; and with the Italians from 85 to 96%. In contrast, the average shared ancestry with the Slavic populations is always <15%."
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 01:34 AM
No. But compared to Sicily or Crete he does have a NE European shift. But not enough to show phenotypically.
The Slavic input in mainland Greeks is also why Aegean islanders score a lot of Italian.
Are you talking about ancestrydna by any chance?
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 01:35 AM
Are you talking about ancestrydna by any chance?
23andme.
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 01:37 AM
23andme.
So could this mean what I think it means?
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 02:27 AM
23andme.
sikeliot, do you mind showing me the dna results for an Aegean islander if you don't mind?
Rgvgjhvv
01-08-2019, 02:33 AM
sikeliot, do you mind showing me the dna results for an Aegean islander if you don't mind?
I'm one, PM me
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 04:49 AM
Of course it is Greek.
The issue is modern Greeks in that sample, likely mainlanders, are so mixed with Slavs that it is better proxied with Italian admixture.
I highly doubt that a North Italian for example a Venetian(what is where you plot by the way) is closer to a Cypriots than a Mainlander
lets say with low Slavic.
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 04:53 AM
What is your guesstimate percentage of how much Slavic dna the average Mainland Greek has?
Here you have a proxy for the average East Euro type admixture in different parts of Greece.
No its not 40% like what he claims in fact 20% is the upper treshold and realy applies only to parts of Northern Greece with more Slavic influx
<center style="max-height: 1e+06px; overflow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13.3333px; background: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial;">East European admixture: 5-10% Aegean islands, 10-15% mainland Greece, 15-20% North-East Greece.</center><center style="max-height: 1e+06px; overflow-wrap: break-word; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 13.3333px; background: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana, Arial;">https://i.imgur.com/lFCtJqH.gif</center>
Read more: http://hellas2010.proboards.com/#ixzz5bzbDxV00
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 04:59 AM
But there is not only Slavic type admixture,there is North West Euro too
Northwest European admixture: 10-15% all of Greece, 15-20% North-West Greece.
https://i.imgur.com/N0QavdW.gif
Mingle
01-08-2019, 05:21 AM
How do you know that it was not the Italian that was pulling him towards the Balkans?
Why would Cypriots be more likely to have Italian ancestry than Greek ancestry?
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 05:22 AM
Why would Cypriots be more likely to have Italian ancestry than Greek ancestry?
I don't know whether or not they do, but if they did, it would likely be due to Romans and Latins(Venetians)
Mingle
01-08-2019, 05:26 AM
I don't know whether or not they do, but if they did, it would likely be due to Romans and Latins(Venetians)
It doesn't make any remote sense for them to have more Italian blood than Greek.
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 05:28 AM
It doesn't make any remote sense for them to have more Italian blood than Greek.
Its only a theory at the end of the day. I could be wrong or I could be right. Either way it doesn't really change anything.
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 05:32 AM
I don't know whether or not they do, but if they did, it would likely be due to Romans and Latins(Venetians)
So you think a Venetian plots closer to a Cypriot than a Mainland Greek(for the sake of the inquiry lets say a Non Northern shifted one) does?
Sorry unless you can post an explicit example i find that hard to believe
When we talk about Italians we have to make a distinction here
That a Calabrian plots closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks and even some Islanders do ,this i don't have that much trouble believing
or accepting but that Tuscans or North Italians would, i hardly believe unless there is a clear proof,then i give up
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 07:51 AM
Of course it is Greek.
The issue is modern Greeks in that sample, likely mainlanders, are so mixed with Slavs that it is better proxied with Italian admixture.
I think we have to make a precise distinction though
Expecting Calabrians to plot closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks do is reasonable
But do you think that a Venetian would be closer to them than a Mainlander is?
For the sake of simplifying the matter and avoid further complexification i would suggest to consider
a more Southern shifted Mainlander ,at least not one of the most North shifted or highly slaviczed ones
Faklon
01-08-2019, 09:28 AM
Here's is IBD sharing, actual ancestry not random components.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?146213-Greek-IBD-Sharing-on-23andme-Top-5-Countries-of-Ancestry-for-the-Greeks-on-my-list
Pretty much every Cypriot gets Greece.
Only imposters like cybernautic/SuperwannabeDorian don't get it.
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 09:42 AM
Only imposters like cybernautic/SuperwannabeDorian don't get it.
Stop mentioning my name son of a whore
Faklon
01-08-2019, 10:01 AM
...
Prove that you are not an imposter bitch, did you cry to get nightrider banned too?
Is this how you wash to clean your shit-stained name? By flooding Kaiadas with tears?
lonewolfcypriot
01-08-2019, 10:04 AM
Prove that you are not an imposter bitch, did you cry to get nightrider banned too?
Is this how you wash to clean your shit-stained name? By flooding Kaiadas with tears?
All you balkanites are imposters. One part slavic, one part Turanid, one part nobody else knows.
Faklon
01-08-2019, 10:09 AM
All you balkanites are imposters. One part slavic, one part Turanid, one part nobody else knows.
Thus spoke the rayah cuck
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 10:28 AM
Prove that you are not an imposter bitch, did you cry to get nightrider banned too?
I have nothing to do with the ban of nightrider
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?37813-Banning-thread/page186&highlight=Banning+thread
nightrider+ banned for insults towards other members, and when asked to cut it out, he refused and instead turned his insults towards me.
Stop spreading lies and false allegations about me or you might see the ban hammer for
a second time
Is this how you wash to clean your shit-stained name?
Behaving like a nasty imposter bitch
Thats exactly what you do
By flooding Kaiadas with tears?
Kaiadas is where you belong to
Thanas Django
01-08-2019, 10:33 AM
One part slavic, one part Turanid, one part nobody else knows.
This is the average admixture of every Ottoman Sultan.
Faklon
01-08-2019, 10:43 AM
I have nothing to do with the ban of nightrider
Stop spreading lies and false allegations about me or you might see the ban hammer for
a second time
You are refuting yourself incel, how much did you cry?
Behaving like a nasty imposter bitch
Why am I an imposter sub-animal? I don't hide my face nor I PM mods all day.
Tell us your ancestry and show your face or you may see my robust brachycephalic stainless steel real hammer inside your buttocks.
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 11:07 AM
You are refuting yourself incel, how much did you cry?
Why am I an imposter sub-animal? I don't hide my face nor I PM mods all day.
Tell us your ancestry and show your face or you may see my robust brachycephalic stainless steel real hammer inside your buttocks.
I would put your robust brachycephalic stainless steel there where it belongs inside your ass
Only an inferiority complexed psychically weak idiot talks about robust and brachcephalic all the time
Faklon
01-08-2019, 11:17 AM
...
I lift legions of cybernautics 100 times against my robust head before throwing them into Kaiadas, something that is obvious from my physique that I'm not ashamed to post.
Keep crying incel
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 11:22 AM
I lift legions of cybernautics 100 times against my robust head before throwing them into Kaiadas, something that is obvious from my physique that I'm not ashamed to post.
Keep crying incel
You got dicks of cybernautics 100 times in your robust ass
Your physique looks like someone i could knock out with one slap
Dorian
01-08-2019, 11:39 AM
Your physique looks like someone i could knock out with one slap
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/732/507/65f.jpg
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 11:51 AM
I think we have to make a precise distinction though
Expecting Calabrians to plot closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks do is reasonable
But do you think that a Venetian would be closer to them than a Mainlander is?
For the sake of simplifying the matter and avoid further complexification i would suggest to consider
a more Southern shifted Mainlander ,at least not one of the most North shifted or highly slaviczed ones
Calabrians also plot closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greece. In fact, the most outlying Calabrians can plot right with Cypriots, but not everyone is like this.
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 11:54 AM
Calabrians also plot closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greece. In fact, the most outlying Calabrians can plot right with Cypriots, but not everyone is like this.
This i already said myself that Calabrians are going to be closer to Cypriots
than Mainland Greeks will be
The question is would Venetians plot closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks do?
And you didn't answered it still
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 11:56 AM
This i already said myself that Calabrians are going to be closer to Cypriots
than Mainland Greeks will be
The question is would Venetians plot closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks do?
And you didn't answered it still
No, I mean Calabria plots closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greeks also.
And mainland Greeks closer to Cyprus than Venetians.
Sikeliot
01-08-2019, 11:57 AM
This i already said myself that Calabrians are going to be closer to Cypriots
than Mainland Greeks will be
The question is would Venetians plot closer to Cypriots than Mainland Greeks do?
And you didn't answered it still
No, I mean Calabria plots closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greeks also.
And mainland Greeks closer to Cyprus than Venetians.
Faklon
01-08-2019, 12:01 PM
dafuq
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 12:07 PM
No, I mean Calabria plots closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greeks also.
Ok but was not the question
And mainland Greeks closer to Cyprus than Venetians.
:thumb001:
Tauromachos
01-08-2019, 12:09 PM
No, I mean Calabria plots closer to Cyprus than to mainland Greeks also.
Ok but was not the question
And mainland Greeks closer to Cyprus than Venetians.
:thumb001:
Faklon
01-08-2019, 12:09 PM
...
https://i.ibb.co/pJw3v7j/49610436-293880408144472-1930327563188568064-n.jpg
Post your face
Faklon
01-08-2019, 12:10 PM
dp
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