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lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 07:42 AM
Back in the day you had some of world's mightiest empires originating from this place. Nowadays it is just as disregarded as Greenland or Antarctica.
So what has happened in order for things to turn out this way? Whilst their neighbours in the East are making robots and anime, the Kazakhs are still trapped in the year 1000. Has Central Asia offered anything to the modern world apart from Yurts and throat singing? I'd like to hear from a turanist about this.

Dna8
01-09-2019, 08:45 AM
I'm no Turanist, but I look forward to reading their responses.

Borealis
01-09-2019, 08:49 AM
The entire Eurasian steppe actually is a crazy place. From the Mongols to Indo-Europeans it has had an extremely disproportionate effect on human history considering its seeming uselessness.

Seya
01-09-2019, 08:50 AM
What do u mean by Kazakhstan trapped in the year 1000? Kazakhstan is the only normal country in the whole central asia.

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 08:55 AM
I'm no Turanist, but I look forward to reading their responses.

Nah, I should of posted this much earlier, most of the turanists have either been banned or inactive so it will probably be less entertaining

Dna8
01-09-2019, 08:55 AM
Nah, I should of posted this much earlier, most of the turanists have either been banned or inactive so it will probably be less entertaining

Still, good thread idea

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 08:59 AM
What do u mean by Kazakhstan trapped in the year 1000? Kazakhstan is the only normal country in the whole central asia.

Your probably right but my point is that they are way behind other East Asian countries and Turkey

El_Abominacion
01-09-2019, 09:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKAusMNTNnk

Seya
01-09-2019, 09:07 AM
Your probably right but my point is that they are way behind other East Asian countries and Turkey

They are not behind turkey in any way...trust me
http://ecl.nu.edu.kz:8080/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/astana-photo_2.jpg
http://www.cunoastelumea.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/proiect-2.jpg
http://www.ironman.com/~/media/44f5509f7da74be196e52113a3370f48/20180719%20rotator%20im%20703%20astana%201600x980% 209.jpg?w=1600&h=980&c=1
https://qazaquni.kz/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/2018070611075036.jpg
https://blog.klm.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/astana1.jpg

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKAusMNTNnk

What a barbaric practice.

Dna8
01-09-2019, 09:13 AM
Who is to say what is human progress?

Maybe metropolises are instances of human regression.. Maybe in the future the Metropolis will be a classic example in the study of human regression..

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:17 AM
They are not behind turkey in any way...trust me
http://ecl.nu.edu.kz:8080/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/astana-photo_2.jpg
http://www.cunoastelumea.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/proiect-2.jpg
http://www.ironman.com/~/media/44f5509f7da74be196e52113a3370f48/20180719%20rotator%20im%20703%20astana%201600x980% 209.jpg?w=1600&h=980&c=1
https://qazaquni.kz/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/2018070611075036.jpg
https://blog.klm.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/astana1.jpg

The city looks impressive, is that Almaty or Astana?

Seya
01-09-2019, 09:28 AM
The city looks impressive, is that Almaty or Astana?

Astana but Almaty also looks nice

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:30 AM
Astana but Almaty also looks nice

Have you been to Kazakhstan?

Seya
01-09-2019, 09:31 AM
Have you been to Kazakhstan?

Yes, i lived there for many years

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:34 AM
Yes, i lived there for many years

Oh wow. so what is it like?

Seya
01-09-2019, 09:44 AM
Oh wow. so what is it like?

It was very nice. I loved it. I consider Kazakhstan my second home. There are only a few big cities and the rest is empty land. The country is huge but the population no more then 18-19 mil

Not a Cop
01-09-2019, 09:44 AM
Oh wow. so what is it like?

Kazakhstan is not really a Central Asian country if we compare to Uz ekistan or Turmenistan socio-economically they are like Eatern Europe with CA influences nowdays, plus quater of population is of EE descent and they mostly speak Russian

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:46 AM
It was very nice. I loved it. I consider Kazakhstan my second home. There are only a few big cities and the rest is empty land. The country is huge but the population no more then 18-19 mil

So I've heard, well I'm glad you liked it.

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 09:49 AM
Kazakhstan is not really a Central Asian country if we compare to Uz ekistan or Turmenistan socio-economically they are like Eatern Europe with CA influences nowdays, plus quater of population is of EE descent and they mostly speak Russian

Well personally I wouldn't know because I live in England and it is very far away.

Root
01-09-2019, 01:36 PM
It was very nice. I loved it. I consider Kazakhstan my second home. There are only a few big cities and the rest is empty land. The country is huge but the population no more then 18-19 mil



same here.. i'm proud of that i'm partially from there


next time if you decide to visit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHi5O4MNboI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzZSpk7VB0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XODLJda8e5c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjGnEhByO3Q




no need to go to USA far away from Europe to visit the grand canyon national park..

mutabor
01-09-2019, 01:55 PM
Your probably right but my point is that they are way behind other East Asian countries and Turkey

Population of Kazakhs in Kazakhstan is around 12 million ( 1/3 are Russians and other ethnic minorities) while population of Japan is 120 million people. Population of Turkey is 80 million.

Also Kazakhs are historically nomadic people who have less industrial skills than farmers of East Asia.

Turkey and Japan have access to sea and ocean which significantly boosts trade, tourism and economy.

In ancient times Central Asia was powerful due to Silk Road which was the major trade route in the world between China and Europe. When Europeans found sea route from Europe to Asia in Medieval times Silk Road became useless.

Don't expect from Kazakhstan to prosper because of harsh cold climate, small population and trapped isolated geographical position. Also Kazakhs are rather lazy due to monotonous nomadic life style.

Blondie
01-09-2019, 01:55 PM
Kazakhstan is not really a Central Asian country if we compare to Uz ekistan or Turmenistan socio-economically they are like Eatern Europe with CA influences nowdays, plus quater of population is of EE descent and they mostly speak Russian

If Kazakhstan is not central asian i don't know what is central asia... :coffee:

Marmara
01-09-2019, 02:09 PM
They were under Russian rule for a long time, and just got independent.

Kazakhstan is doing well, Turkmenistan suffers from a retarded dictator.

Phenix
01-09-2019, 03:03 PM
Who is to say what is human progress?

Maybe metropolises are instances of human regression.. Maybe in the future the Metropolis will be a classic example in the study of human regression..

This is the whole point of anarcho-primitivism, even liberals (classical sense of term) started to acknowledge the wealth creation limit and are thinking of a positive regression concept.

lonewolfcypriot
01-09-2019, 11:55 PM
So apart from Kazakhstan, how is the rest of CA in terms of progress?

Dna8
01-10-2019, 04:39 AM
This is the whole point of anarcho-primitivism, even liberals (classical sense of term) started to acknowledge the wealth creation limit and are thinking of a positive regression concept.

Nice post, man

Chaos One
01-10-2019, 04:32 PM
Yes, i lived there for many years

Wow, never imagined this. Interesting.

Seya
01-10-2019, 04:36 PM
So apart from Kazakhstan, how is the rest of CA in terms of progress?

the rest it's a desastre

Chaos One
01-10-2019, 04:37 PM
So apart from Kazakhstan, how is the rest of CA in terms of progress?

It's complicated. The power vacuum after URSS fell made pure chaos there. Most countried have some kind of dictator, mainly Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.

Turkmenistan is almost North Korea 2.0 except they don't flag a communist slogan, therefore they gather less attention. Tajikistan at least has a dictator who tries to hold Islamic fundamentalism, but have other problems about unrests between Pamiris and the central government. Tajikistan also faces a big problem in terms of investments and China is using this as a method to invest as they are doing in Africa, except we're talking about a neighbour country, which is worse.

Uzbekistan is a bit better than both and at least try to make things by itself.

Also, all those countries have huge corruption levels. Even more than some South/Central American countries.

Seya
01-10-2019, 04:44 PM
It's complicated. The power vacuum after URSS fell made pure chaos there. Most countried have some kind of dictator, mainly Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.

Turkmenistan is almost North Korea 2.0 except they don't flag a communist slogan, therefore they gather less attention. Tajikistan at least has a dictator who tries to hold Islamic fundamentalism, but have other problems about unrests between Pamiris and the central government. Tajikistan also faces a big problem in terms of investments and China is using this as a method to invest as they are doing in Africa, except we're talking about a neighbour country, which is worse.

Uzbekistan is a bit better than both and at least try to make things by itself.

Also, all those countries have huge corruption levels. Even more than some South/Central American countries.

i would say Kyrgyzstan is moreover ok..they don't have a dictatorship. i'd say that Kyrgyzstan has even more deocracy then Kazakhstan but with all that is still poor. they have no natural resources and no sea exit. Uzbekistan is in a very bad shape from all points of view

Chaos One
01-10-2019, 04:59 PM
i would say Kyrgyzstan is moreover ok..they don't have a dictatorship. i'd say that Kyrgyzstan has even more deocracy then Kazakhstan but with all that is still poor. they have no natural resources and no sea exit. Uzbekistan is in a very bad shape from all points of view

Kyrgystan has less ethnical problems than Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, that helps a lot. Uzbekistan...well, I think it is the only country in the region who tries to get away from Russian/Chinese sphere of influency at some point and that has a cost. I think all those countries at some degree could face huge problems if they change their government from nothing. I can't imagine how they would deal with Karakalpak situation in Uzbekistan and Pamiri in Tajikistan (and China has somekind of own perspective about it since Xinjiang is a pool of problems and Pamiris in Kashgar would love to make problems if something happen in Tajikistan about this issue, for example). At least Uzbekistan and Tajikistan stopped to mess around between them after the Tajik Civil War and border definitions.

Seya
01-10-2019, 05:12 PM
Kyrgystan has less ethnical problems than Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, that helps a lot. Uzbekistan...well, I think it is the only country in the region who tries to get away from Russian/Chinese sphere of influency at some point and that has a cost. I think all those countries at some degree could face huge problems if they change their government from nothing. I can't imagine how they would deal with Karakalpak situation in Uzbekistan and Pamiri in Tajikistan (and China has somekind of own perspective about it since Xinjiang is a pool of problems and Pamiris in Kashgar would love to make problems if something happen in Tajikistan about this issue, for example). At least Uzbekistan and Tajikistan stopped to mess around between them after the Tajik Civil War and border definitions.

Kyrgystan has a lot of ethnic problems in the south with the ukbek minority. they had multiple conflicts ended in deaths and displaced people. numerous times uzbek ethnics have been acused of trying to destabilize the country.

Chaos One
01-10-2019, 05:32 PM
Kyrgystan has a lot of ethnic problems in the south with the ukbek minority. they had multiple conflicts ended in deaths and displaced people. numerous times uzbek ethnics have been acused of trying to destabilize the country.

Yeah, but did not created a proper and long Civil War - at least made things change pro Kyrgyz people in 2010. The fact is, ethnical groups of those countries do not like each other (except Afghans and Tajiks for example or Uzbeks and Uyghurs), even inside the country. The old beef between Uzbeks and Kazakhs is well known as well, beyond the Tajik-Uzbek and Kyrgyz-Uzbek.

Rgvgjhvv
01-10-2019, 05:52 PM
It was very nice. I loved it. I consider Kazakhstan my second home. There are only a few big cities and the rest is empty land. The country is huge but the population no more then 18-19 mil

I remember you mentioning this before. Curious to know what made you move/live there though.

mutabor
01-12-2019, 04:21 AM
Uzbek series looked good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xHJzNNM2A

Proto-Shaman
01-12-2019, 04:47 AM
Kazakhstan is not really a Central Asian country if we compare to Uz ekistan or Turmenistan socio-economically they are like Eatern Europe with CA influences nowdays, plus quater of population is of EE descent and they mostly speak Russian
In 50 years nobody will speak Russian.

Proto-Shaman
01-12-2019, 04:50 AM
If Kazakhstan is not central asian i don't know what is central asia... :coffee:
It's just a post-colonial Soviet disorder. They still can't get over the fact they lost against the Turkic soul.

Proto-Shaman
01-12-2019, 04:54 AM
Long live Turan btw xD

Yaglakar
01-12-2019, 10:38 AM
Yeah, but did not created a proper and long Civil War - at least made things change pro Kyrgyz people in 2010. The fact is, ethnical groups of those countries do not like each other (except Afghans and Tajiks for example or Uzbeks and Uyghurs), even inside the country. The old beef between Uzbeks and Kazakhs is well known as well, beyond the Tajik-Uzbek and Kyrgyz-Uzbek.

Which old beef? Uzbeks and Kazakhs came out of the same state - Golden Horde. The original Uzbek horde was in fact closer to Kazakhs in terms of language, culture and traditions. Uzbeks are close to Tajiks in terms of traditional culture, customs, folk music, etc which is not surprising many Tajiks became Uzbeks. and Uyghurs were cooking up in a different pot, in a different state - Moghulistan.

Chaos One
01-12-2019, 02:12 PM
Which old beef? Uzbeks and Kazakhs came out of the same state - Golden Horde. The original Uzbek horde was in fact closer to Kazakhs in terms of language, culture and traditions. Uzbeks are close to Tajiks in terms of traditional culture, customs, folk music, etc which is not surprising many Tajiks became Uzbeks. and Uyghurs were cooking up in a different pot, in a different state - Moghulistan.

https://russia-direct.org/analysis/political-rivalry-central-asia-could-be-headache-kremlin

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/2007/central-asian-rivals-kazakhstan-uzbekistan-hold-summit

https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/brothers-again-uzbekistan-and-kazakhstan/

https://www.cacianalyst.org/publications/field-reports/item/10773-field-reports-caci-analyst-2006-4-5-art-10773.html

The fact is now relation bet Uzbek gov with Kazakh and Tajik got better, but it wasn't like this on the (near) past.

https://www.rferl.org/a/uzbekistan-kazakhstan-nazarbaev-mirziyoev-visit/28739276.html

"During Karimov's rule of more than a quarter-century, Uzbekistan was at odds with its neighbors over border disputes, ethnic tensions, and economic spats tied to water distribution and energy transportation in the region.

But Mirziyoev, who took over the region's most populous country of more than 30 million in September 2016 following Karimov's death, and his government have said improving ties with neighboring former Soviet republics is a top foreign-policy priority."

More like this.

Arverni
01-12-2019, 11:32 PM
Are Uzbeks and Kazakhs genetically related?

Yaglakar
01-13-2019, 06:06 AM
https://russia-direct.org/analysis/political-rivalry-central-asia-could-be-headache-kremlin

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/2007/central-asian-rivals-kazakhstan-uzbekistan-hold-summit

https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/brothers-again-uzbekistan-and-kazakhstan/

https://www.cacianalyst.org/publications/field-reports/item/10773-field-reports-caci-analyst-2006-4-5-art-10773.html

The fact is now relation bet Uzbek gov with Kazakh and Tajik got better, but it wasn't like this on the (near) past.

https://www.rferl.org/a/uzbekistan-kazakhstan-nazarbaev-mirziyoev-visit/28739276.html

"During Karimov's rule of more than a quarter-century, Uzbekistan was at odds with its neighbors over border disputes, ethnic tensions, and economic spats tied to water distribution and energy transportation in the region.

But Mirziyoev, who took over the region's most populous country of more than 30 million in September 2016 following Karimov's death, and his government have said improving ties with neighboring former Soviet republics is a top foreign-policy priority."

More like this.

There is no real confrontation of any sort, never was. Uzbekistan is an isolationist state, a light version of Turkmenistan so to speak.

Norka
01-13-2019, 07:21 AM
Long live Turan btw xD

Don't come in here with your bullshit Turanism Ali baba.

Deniz
01-13-2019, 08:26 AM
Central Asia

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Pduhdgkjk

Incal
01-13-2019, 09:54 AM
So what has happened in order for things to turn out this way?

Islam.

lonewolfcypriot
01-13-2019, 10:46 AM
Islam.

Selcuks were Muslims though

mutabor
01-13-2019, 01:51 PM
Are Uzbeks and Kazakhs genetically related?

Mongoloid component in both is of common origin. Also Caucasian component in Kazakhs ( around 25-30%) is similar to Uzbek.