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Aspirin
01-09-2019, 09:15 PM
The Battle of Vaslui was fought on 10 January 1475, between Stephen III of Moldavia and the Ottoman governor of Rumelia, Hadım Suleiman Pasha. The battle took place at Podul Înalt (the High Bridge), near the town of Vaslui, in Moldavia (now part of eastern Romania). The Ottoman troops numbered up to 120,000, facing about 40,000 Moldavian troops, plus smaller numbers of allied and mercenary troops.
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Stephen inflicted a decisive defeat on the Ottomans, described as "the greatest ever secured by Christianity against Islam," with casualties, according to Venetian and Polish records, reaching beyond 40,000 on the Ottoman side. Mara Brankovic (Mara Hatun), the former younger wife of Murad II, told a Venetian envoy that the invasion had been worst ever defeat for the Ottomans. Stephen was later awarded the title "Athleta Christi" (Champion of Christ) by Pope Sixtus IV, who referred to him as "verus christianae fidei athleta" ("the true defender of the Christian faith").
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According to the Polish chronicler Jan Długosz, Stephen did not celebrate his victory; instead, he fasted for forty days on bread and water and forbade anyone to attribute the victory to him, insisting that credit be given only to the Lord.




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Aspirin
01-09-2019, 10:07 PM
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Dick
01-09-2019, 10:14 PM
Great. I didn't know this.

Aspirin
01-09-2019, 10:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7tdsJ1zw6I

Aspirin
01-10-2019, 11:24 PM
Great. I didn't know this.

I think this is because such person like Stephen the Great was eclipsed by the Vlad Impaler, and maybe because even if this battle was a big defeat for Ottomans, don't had a big impact in the region like for example the Siege of Belgrade two decades earlier, what stopped the offensive of Ottomans into Europe for 70 years.

Zmey Gorynych
03-16-2019, 12:43 AM
Valea Alba was a slaughter house. If the moldavians would've had the same numbers they had at Vaslui they would've won. With only 10000-12000 people (the standing army) they still managed to inflict serious damage and at one point were actually winning the battle. Valea Alba is very much on Stephen who dispersed a part of his army before the confrontation. For an authoritarian ruler he sure went soft and cocked up with that decision.

The siege of Neamt doesn't get the recognition it deserves, it was the 3rd most important confrontation in this conflict. It was not as deadly but it was certainly very important because if the turks would've managed to take the fortress Moldavia might've fallen. The turks failed and had to eventually retreat.

On a side note the Kings and Generals channel is excellent. They have quality videos on so many battles. The videos on the Greco-Roman era are particularly good.

Now I noticed that in that video it says that Stehpen had 30000 at Valea Alba which is wrong, he didn't.

Crimson Winds
03-16-2019, 01:12 AM
Stephan is underrated, winning against Matias Corvinus and almost defeating Mehmed II is not a simple job.

Zmey Gorynych
03-16-2019, 01:22 AM
Stephan is underrated, winning against Matias Corvinus and almost defeating Mehmed II is not a simple job.
Stephen was surely a very good military commander. He defeated each of his neighbours at least once, lost only twice in a military career of 48 battles if I'm not mistaken. Took land from the Polish Kingdom and retained it until his death, held a part of Crimeea albeit for a very short period of time. Destroyed the Golden Horde at the battle of Lipnic in 1470.

Crimson Winds
03-16-2019, 01:24 AM
Stephen was surely a very good military commander. He defeated all of his neighbours at least once, lost only twice in a military career of 48 battles if I'm not mistaken. Took land from the Polish Kingdom and retained until his death, held a part of Crimeea albeit for a very short period of time. Destroyed the Golden Horde at the battle of Lipnic in 1470.

I read in a Turkish history book that he wanted only 400 soldiers from Ottomans for facing Poland after he accepted the suzerinity of the Sultan. Pretty badass dude.

Zmey Gorynych
03-16-2019, 01:31 AM
I read in a Turkish history book that he wanted only 400 soldiers from Ottomans for facing Poland after he accepted the suzerinity of the Sultan. Pretty badass dude.
Accepting suzerainty of turks is hardly badass but that meant very little to him as he swore fielty today and broke it tomorrow. It was nothing more than means to an end. As for his battles he fought most of his wars without any assistance. He still could've done better if he would've been a little smarter.

Crimson Winds
03-16-2019, 01:45 AM
Accepting suzerainty of turks is hardly badass but that meant very little to him as he swore fielty today and broke it tomorrow. It was nothing more than means to an end. As for his battles he fought most of his wars without any assistance. He still could've done better if he would've been a little smarter.

I meant his confidence not vassalization. Btw he was royal to the Ottomans as i remember.

Zmey Gorynych
03-16-2019, 01:33 PM
I meant his confidence not vassalization. Btw he was royal to the Ottomans as i remember.
You mean loyal? No, he wasn't. He fought them then he made peace and he fought them again. It went back and forth until his death. The same is true for the other neighbours Hungary and Poland but definitely it's the tuks that he warred with the most.

Aspirin
03-16-2019, 04:46 PM
Valea Alba was a slaughter house. If the moldavians would've had the same numbers they had at Vaslui they would've won. With only 10000-12000 people (the standing army) they still managed to inflict serious damage and at one point were actually winning the battle. Valea Alba is very much on Stephen who dispersed a part of his army before the confrontation. For an authoritarian ruler he sure went soft and cocked up with that decision.

The siege of Neamt doesn't get the recognition it deserves, it was the 3rd most important confrontation in this conflict. It was not as deadly but it was certainly very important because if the turks would've managed to take the fortress Moldavia might've fallen. The turks failed and had to eventually retreat.

On a side note the Kings and Generals channel is excellent. They have quality videos on so many battles. The videos on the Greco-Roman era are particularly good.

Now I noticed that in that video it says that Stehpen had 30000 at Valea Alba which is wrong, he didn't.

Yes, Kings and Generals are very good, I watch them since their first video about Battle of Kosovo. But many of videos have plenty of inaccuracies. For example here is said what Mehmet conquered in his campaign from 1476 the Akkerman fortress which is not true, only his son Bayazid will do this 8 years latter. Second video from HistoryMarche I liked more because how was estimated the real number of troops from both sides.

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Aspirin
03-16-2019, 04:48 PM
Btw he was royal to the Ottomans as i remember.

No, he wasn't, you mistake him with Impaler.

Aspirin
03-16-2019, 04:54 PM
Stephan is underrated, winning against Matias Corvinus and almost defeating Mehmed II is not a simple job.

Well, he didn't really defeat Mehmed II, but just an Ottoman army who wasn't under his command, only Hunyady defeated him in 1456 in the Battle of Belgrade.

Crimson Winds
03-16-2019, 06:00 PM
Well, he didn't really defeat Mehmed II, but just an Ottoman army who wasn't under his command, only Hunyady defeated him in 1456 in the Battle of Belgrade.

It's miracle that he didn't die that battle.

Zmey Gorynych
03-16-2019, 07:13 PM
It's miracle that he didn't die that battle.
Mehmet was a very good military commander but he was also very lucky. He came close to death on at least 3 occasions - Kosovo, Belgarde and Targoviste.


Well, he didn't really defeat Mehmed II, but just an Ottoman army who wasn't under his command, only Hunyady defeated him in 1456 in the Battle of Belgrade.
If we're talking individual battles then The Night Attack at Targoviste can also be counted as a defeat for Mehmet.

Aspirin
03-16-2019, 08:59 PM
It's miracle that he didn't die that battle.

Who? Stephan? In the battle of Vaslui he had all the advantage on his side. First, this battle took place in the middle of winter, weird decision for Ottomans to make wars in this period of year. Another thing is what Stephan was prepared and he knew about the enemy who comes in his country, this is the reason why he had and allies troops. And the last thing who was decisive for victory was the weather. In the day of the battle the valley where this battle took place was covered with dense fog. Stephan was a very religious man, and he believed what this was a sign from the God. I think this is the reason why he did not celebrate the victory, but gave all the credits to the God. The next battle from 1476 was more dramatic for him, this time Ottomans was more prepared.

Aspirin
03-16-2019, 09:01 PM
It's miracle that he didn't die that battle.

Now I understand, you speak about Mehmed defeat in the Battle of Belgrade. My bad.