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Deneb

01-10-2019, 03:52 PM

Rgvgjhvv

01-10-2019, 03:54 PM

I believe it's actually Scotland

Ayetooey

01-10-2019, 03:55 PM

Montenegro is. Look it up.

Rgvgjhvv

01-10-2019, 03:57 PM

Montenegro is. Look it up.

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Avgvstvs

01-10-2019, 04:02 PM

Maybe as a whole....but i think the most Red haired region in the world is Lothian, Edinburgh area

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Ülev

01-10-2019, 04:07 PM

best hair colour

TheAtlantean

01-10-2019, 07:41 PM

Montenegro is. Look it up.

The auburn/reddish-Brown statistics referred to by Coon regarding the Montenegrins are not a good source because they are not based on a consistent standard or definition. Due to this they are exaggerated, including brown hair that is even slightly reddish.

No clear-red head hair was reported for the survey of 800 Montenegrins, while over 4% of a sample of ten thousand Irish had clear red hair.

Clear red hair statistics are more consistent between anthropologists and thus are a better indicator of the rufosity of a population.

Aside from anthropological surveys, Ireland has a notably higher frequency of all of the MC1R variants most associated with red hair (R151C, R160W, D294H) than the Balkans.

With all this it is also important to note that no anthropologist has ever compared the rufosity of Montenegrins to Northwestern Europeans, just to Slavs and other local groups.

Ice

01-10-2019, 07:43 PM

The netherlands is a good candidate

Avgvstvs

01-10-2019, 07:45 PM

The netherlands is a good candidateNetherlands scores well of course,but not as Scotland,Ireland or even Wales

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TheAtlantean

01-10-2019, 08:04 PM

The netherlands is a good candidate

Louis Bolk found overall 2.45% red hair in his 1907 survey of the Netherlands.

He found that red hair was most common in Drenthe and least common in Zeeland.

He also surveyed Dutch Jews (mostly Ashkenazi at the time) and found 2.56% red hair, which is equivalent to Gelderland province.

The Netherlands has slightly less red hair than Denmark based on the survey of Soren Hansen which yielded 2.8%, with the trait reaching frequencies of as high as 4.8% in some parts of Southern/Western Jutland.

All the nations of the British Isles have a greater frequency of red hair than the Netherlands.

I don‘t know why one would expect the Dutch to be more often red-haired than British Islanders.

CommonSense

01-10-2019, 11:11 PM

According to what I've seen so far, yes. But the most common hair color among them is still brown. In fact, they have more dark/brown hair compared to Brits and Scandinavians.

Jägerstaffel

01-10-2019, 11:13 PM

In the United States, it is estimated that 2–6% of the population has red hair. This would give the U.S. the largest population of redheads in the world, at 6 to 18 million, compared to approximately 420,000 in Ireland and 300,000 in Scotland.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair#Geographic_distribution

Septentrion

01-14-2019, 04:05 AM

I think so. Look at this Irish football team, Bray Wanderers. At least 9 players are red-haired. That's a high percentage.

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Obviously! What a question? 10% - 30% of the Irish population has some type of red or reddish hair. Even most Irish males have a reddish or reddish-hued beard.

TheAtlantean

01-14-2019, 11:19 AM

Obviously! What a question? 10% - 30% of the Irish population has some type of red or reddish hair. Even most Irish males have a reddish or reddish-hued beard.

As I have said before, anything close to 30% could only be reached if the vast majority of Irish blonds (95%+) are included.

Coon said that most of the rufosity among the Irish is from Golden-blond hair, which is 15% overall.

Overall, 5-6% of Irish have auburn Hair and 4-5% have pure or clear red hair.

So that means about 25% of Irish have rufous hair, which Coon stated as being the world maximum.

Rufous just means an elevation of Pheomelanin, it may or may not actually have discernible reddish tones.

Rufous in itself is a subtle distinction.

Smaug

01-14-2019, 12:02 PM

No. Udmurts are the most red-haired people in the world.

Seth MacFarlane

01-14-2019, 12:13 PM

Yes it’s a very old stereotype that’s Irish are very red haired . It’s true , red hair is mostly seen in the Irish , Scotland etc area

caviezel

01-14-2019, 12:48 PM

Based on my experience yes, and it's more so than Scotland. Not counting that Scotland has a sizeable population of Irish descent but It probably comes as second place.

TheAtlantean

01-14-2019, 03:12 PM

Based on my experience yes, and it's more so than Scotland. Not counting that Scotland has a sizeable population of Irish descent but It probably comes as second place.

Tocher found that pure Blue Eyes in Scotland were most common among Glaswegians of Irish descent and no significant ethnic Scots population can compare.

The specific combination of red hair and pure blue eyes is distinctively Irish. Scots redheads were more likely to have mixed or greenish eyes according to Tocher. He designated the red hair green eyed type as Caledonian.

Red hair and pure blue eyes is more Irish than red hair in general.

Septentrion

01-14-2019, 08:42 PM

As I have said before, anything close to 30% could only be reached if the vast majority of Irish blonds (95%+) are included.

Coon said that most of the rufosity among the Irish is from Golden-blond hair, which is 15% overall.

Overall, 5-6% of Irish have auburn Hair and 4-5% have pure or clear red hair.

So that means about 25% of Irish have rufous hair, which Coon stated as being the world maximum.

Rufous just means an elevation of Pheomelanin, it may or may not actually have discernible reddish tones.

Rufous in itself is a subtle distinction.

No, nothing to with what you wrote. O.K.!
I repeat 10%-30% of Irish people have red or reddish hair, which in turn makes this nation the reddest-haired in the entire planet. Due to such high proportion of red hair, the frequency of skin types I and II is so high surpassing any other nation on the planet at 93%!
The Scottish are also very red-haired at 10%-25% for red/reddish hair.
Overall in the Celtic Fringe (Ireland, Scotland and Wales) at least 10% have red hair.

TheAtlantean

01-14-2019, 09:12 PM

No, nothing to with what you wrote. O.K.!
I repeat 10%-30% of Irish people have red or reddish hair, which in turn makes this nation the reddest-haired in the entire planet. Due to such high proportion of red hair, the frequency of skin types I and II is so high surpassing any other nation on the planet at 93%!
The Scottish are also very red-haired at 10%-25% for red/reddish hair.
Overall in the Celtic Fringe (Ireland, Scotland and Wales) at least 10% have red hair.

Obviously, you are aware that golden-blond hair counts as rufosity.

I should not have to explain this to you across several accounts multiple times.

Any hair color with the exception of true black can have a rufous tinge, and a minor rufous element to blond hair will make it appear golden not reddish.

Pheomelanin itself is not really red, its more of a golden-orange. With the right ratio to eumelanin in the hair and lighting conditions the hair can appear a bright, deep orange.

Just because it does not appear distinctly reddish it is distinct from ash-blondism and thus rufous if there is an elevation in pheomelanin in relation to eumelanin.

All blonds tend toward either Ash-blondism or Golden blondism. Its either or, you have to tend towards one side. In the sun it is easier to distinguish.

<(15/15.5) of blonds in Ireland tend towards ash-blondism which is an exaggeration of the general trend in Western Europe. If we take Dupertuis figures literally only about 3% of Irish Blonds tend towards Ashen rather than Golden blondism.

In Ireland for all intensive purposes red and blond hair are on one spectrum with negligible departure. Roughly 1/4 Irish people fall into that spectrum according to Coon.

Ruggery

01-14-2019, 09:15 PM

It is the second, currently the nation with more redheads in the world is Scotland, followed by Ireland.

Marco94

01-14-2019, 09:18 PM

TheAtlantean

01-14-2019, 09:50 PM

I think it's second only to Scotland.

Though the highest prevalence of any ethnic group is among the Udmurts, according to what I've read:

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According to Karin Mark's large scale survey of Finno-Ugrics an aggregate figure of 4% of Udmurts have red hair. In some groups as much as 7% have red hair.

Under no circumstances is this above anywhere in the British Isles, and in fact it is quite similar to Tocher's survey of Scottish schoolchildren which averaged at about 5%, with people from Northeastern Scotland like Arberdeenshire having around 7%.

The average may actually be as much as one percent lower among Udmurts and the maximum frequency for a significant population is similar for both groups.

Udmurts being the clearly most red-haired is a myth based on anthropologists and observers who based their claims on much lower sample sizes than Karin Mark.

The best data on Irish hair color comes from Wesley Dupertuis, the best for Scotland is from James F. Tocher, and the best for Udmurts is Karin Mark.

What can we know from these surveys? The Irish and the Udmurts have a similar aggregate frequency, while the Scots have about 1% higher.

The Irish have the highest maximum frequency for a significant population as Dupertuis found 8% red hair for Ulster. With Scotland and Udmurts, as I previously mentioned it is about 7%.

Hooton noticed that Irish Catholics have a higher frequency of red hair than Irish Protestants.

Irish Catholics from Ulster may have the highest frequency of red hair in the World.

Higher figures in Wales can only be reached in isolated communities not among substantial populations.

Grace O'Malley

01-14-2019, 11:24 PM

Grace O'Malley

01-14-2019, 11:48 PM

If you look up Udmurt on a google search which I've just done below a lot of people in the search results are not Udmurts. Real Udmurts are thin on the ground in the search below.

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Septentrion

07-17-2019, 03:46 PM

I think so. Look at this Irish football team, Bray Wanderers. At least 9 players are red-haired. That's a high percentage.

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Yes of course! 10%-30% of the Irish population has red/reddish hair (red/orange/ginger/strawberry-blond/auburn/titian/reddish-brown/reddish blond).
Other nations are Scotland (10%-25%), Wales (10%-15%), England (8%).
Another area but no a country where many people have red hair is Urdmurtia (Russia).