European Genetic Clusters

[Mingle]

Was thinking of including more than just Europe, but there isn't as much easily available info regarding regions outside Europe and this is a European forum anyways, so this thread is just gonna stay simple and be about genetic clusters in the context of Europeans. Let me know what you think of these anyways.

Northwest European
• British Isles
• Scandinavia
• Northwest Germany
• Benelux
• Northern France

Celto-Germanic
• Eastern & Central France
• West-Central Germany
• Southern Germany
• Switzerland
• Tyrol & Vorarlberg

Iberian
• Spain
• Portugal
• Andorra

Vasconic
• Basque Country
• Navarre
• Gascony

Sardinian
• Sardinia

Italo-Gallic
• Southern France
• North Italy

Danubian
• Slovenia
• Northwest Croatia
• Hungary
• Eastern & Central Austria
• Northern Romania
• Moldova

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast Germany
• Czechia
• Slovakia

Central-East European
• Poland
• Ukraine
• Belarus
• Western Russia

Baltic
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Northeast Poland

Northeast European
• Finland
• Estonia
• North Russia

West Dinaric
• Southern Croatia
• Bosnia & Herzegovina
• Western & Northern Serbia
• Prechani Serbs
• Slavonia

East Dinaric
• Montenegro
• Southern & Eastern Serbia
• Central Romania

Eastern Balkan
• Wallachia
• Bulgaria
• Vardar Macedonia
• Balkan Turks

Adriatic-Ionian
• Kosovo
• Albania
• Mainland Greece
• Ionian Islands
• Cyclades
• Central Italy
• Central-South Italy

Aegean-Ionian
• North Aegean
• Crete
• Dodecanese
• South Italy
• Malta

[Peterski]

North-East Poland (Podlaskie) clusters with West Belarus and South-East Poland (Lubelskie) with West Ukraine. But West Ukraine does not cluster with East Ukraine (so you cannot call all of Ukraine one cluster, they are not homogeneous), and many Russians are far to the east.

Eurogenes K15/K13 Ukrainian reference (the one with no geographical label) are Western Ukrainians from Volhynia, who plot close to Ukrainians from Lviv, a bit more to the north.

Even Russian with recent German and Polish ancestry such as Not a Cop plots far away from Lukasz (who is mixed Central-Eastern Pole) on 2019 Apricity PCA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273405-2019-Apricity-PCA

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7881/45925011494_771cc1ee16_o.png

Eastern (and some Central) Ukrainians are closer to Ukraine Belgorod than to Ukraine Lviv.

As for East Germans:

Silver Lining is 3/4 Eastern German and 1/4 Bavarian, and look how he is modeled by GEDmatch Eurogenes K15/K13 (he did not post his coordinates, but draw a line between Croatia and North Sweden on that PCA, and put a dot exactly in the middle, and this is probably more or less how Silver Lining would plot there):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261547-Post-your-closest-to-50-mixed-mode&p=5480491&viewfull=1#post5480491


50% North_Swedish + 50% Croat

^^^
His Eastern German is from Pommern and Sudetenland.

[Leto]

North-East Poland (Podlaskie) clusters with West Belarus and South-East Poland (Lubelskie) with West Ukraine. But West Ukraine does not cluster with East Ukraine (so you cannot call all of Ukraine one cluster, they are not homogeneous), and many Russians are far to the east.

Eurogenes K15/K13 Ukrainian reference (the one with no geographical label) are Western Ukrainians from Volhynia, who plot close to Ukrainians from Lviv, a bit more to the north.

Even Russian with recent German and Polish ancestry such as Not a Cop plots far away from Lukasz (who is mixed Central-Eastern Pole) on 2019 Apricity PCA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273405-2019-Apricity-PCA

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7881/45925011494_771cc1ee16_o.png

Eastern (and some Central) Ukrainians are closer to Ukraine Belgorod than to Ukraine Lviv.

As for East Germans:

Silver Lining is 3/4 Eastern German and 1/4 Bavarian, and look how he is modeled by GEDmatch Eurogenes K15/K13 (he did not post his coordinates, but draw a line between Croatia and North Sweden on that PCA, and put a dot exactly in the middle, and this is probably more or less how Silver Lining would plot there):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261547-Post-your-closest-to-50-mixed-mode&p=5480491&viewfull=1#post5480491



^^^
His Eastern German is from Pommern and Sudetenland.
You can't generalize entire populations judging by one or two individuals. And who says that K15 is 100% accurate?
I. is my father and look where he plots
https://i.ibb.co/S5NNkcK/K15.png

[Peterski]

You can't generalize entire populations judging by one or two individuals.

I'm not doing this, I have seen hundreds of results from these ethnic groups.

[Leto]

I'm not doing this, I have seen hundreds of results from these ethnic groups.
Well, according to that map which I still find interesting SW Finns are closer to Poles than E Germans are to Austrians. Kind of doubtful to me.

[Gründig]

Cool. I fall into the northwest European and Celto-Germanic clusters.

North eastern France borders western and southern Germany, not really central or "middle".

[Peterski]

Italo-Gallic
• Southern France
• North Italy

South-West France is much closer to Iberia than to North Italy.

[Sikeliot]

South-West France is much closer to Iberia than to North Italy.

I might put all three of them together into one cluster and consider it Ibero-Gallic, since North Italy is more Gallic than Italic.

[Mingle]

North-East Poland (Podlaskie) clusters with West Belarus and South-East Poland (Lubelskie) with West Ukraine. But West Ukraine does not cluster with East Ukraine (so you cannot call all of Ukraine one cluster, they are not homogeneous), and many Russians are far to the east.

Eurogenes K15/K13 Ukrainian reference (the one with no geographical label) are Western Ukrainians from Volhynia, who plot close to Ukrainians from Lviv, a bit more to the north.

Even Russian with recent German and Polish ancestry such as Not a Cop plots far away from Lukasz (who is mixed Central-Eastern Pole) on 2019 Apricity PCA:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273405-2019-Apricity-PCA

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7881/45925011494_771cc1ee16_o.png

Eastern (and some Central) Ukrainians are closer to Ukraine Belgorod than to Ukraine Lviv.

How would you divide, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia then? I'm not too informed on their genetic diversity, how many clusters they'd comprise of, how to draw the boundaries of said clusters, etc.

Would you agree with grouping Suwalki and Warmia under 'Baltic' and then creating a separate cluster for Podlaskie, Western Belarus, and Western Ukraine? Which clusters would Silesia (Upper Silesia & Czech Silesia) and Galicia (Red Ruthenia) fall under?

[Token]

Iberians, North Italians and South French should be together in a Southwest European or Celto-Romance(?) group, all of them cluster very tightly together.

[Mingle]

Iberians, North Italians and South French should be together in a Southwest European or Celto-Romance(?) group, all of them cluster very tightly together.

I thought about that, but I recall some user saying before that Spaniards are always grouped together with the Portuguese in genetic studies (but not always with the French) and they have some minor North Africa that's somewhat unique to them in Southern Europe and a component completely absent in Southern France and North Italy. There's also the Pyrenees that may create a minor genetic boundary. I know they're closely related but I wasn't sure how much so I separated them based off of that. Should I edit the OP and group them under one cluster?

This also brings me to the NW European cluster. Is it too big and deserving of division (British Isles vs. Scandinavia vs. Benelux/NW Germany) or is it fine like that?

[Token]

Also, add a Vasconic cluster with Cantabrians, Gascons and Basques who are quite removed from the rest of Southwestern Europe.

[Mingle]

South-West France is much closer to Iberia than to North Italy.

Almost all of Europe is part of a single cline with neighboring regions being closer to each other than to other extreme ends on the same cline. I separated Iberia cause of its North African component.

[Mingle]

Also, add a Vasconic cluster with Cantabrians, Gascons and Basques who are quite removed from the rest of Southwestern Europe.

Cantabrians have mostly Basque ancestry? That's surprising. Aren't they far removed from Basques on the Lukasz Report map? Do you have any GEDmatch results of them?

[Leto]

How would you divide, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia then? I'm not too informed on their genetic diversity, how many clusters they'd comprise of, how to draw the boundaries of said clusters, etc.

Would you agree with grouping Suwalki and Warmia under 'Baltic' and then creating a separate cluster for Podlaskie, Western Belarus, and Western Ukraine? Which clusters would Silesia (Upper Silesia & Czech Silesia) and Galicia (Red Ruthenia) fall under?
That would be hair splitting in my opinion. You are making populations appear more distinct than they actually are.

[Mingle]

That would be hair splitting in my opinion. You are making populations appear more distinct than they actually are.

I don't know. I was just going by Peterski's suggestions. I'm not too familiar with East Slavic and Polish genetic differences.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Maybe it's better to split Carpatho-Panonnian cluster to Panonnian (Slovenia, north Croatia, Hungary, East Austria) and Carpathian (north Romania, Moldova, maybe some part of Ukraine).
Moldovans are quite more eastern shifted compared to say Slovenians. That atypical Hungarian dude clustered close to Moldova and far from Hungary.

[Token]

I thought about that, but I recall some user saying before that Spaniards are always grouped together with the Portuguese in genetic studies (but not always with the French) and they have some minor North Africa that's somewhat unique to them in Southern Europe and a component completely absent in Southern France and North Italy. There's also the Pyrenees that may create a minor genetic boundary. I know they're closely related but I wasn't sure how much so I separated them based off of that. Should I edit the OP and group them under one cluster?

This also brings me to the NW European cluster. Is it too big and deserving of division (British Isles vs. Scandinavia vs. Benelux/NW Germany) or is it fine like that?
Well, you have a point here. North African is there but i'm basing myself on the fact that most admixture calculators can't differentiate Iberian from North Italian and Southern French admixture. Northwestern Europeans are a similar case, you can't differentiate them without looking at shared rare alleles so i think your grouping is pretty accurate.

[Kaspias]

It seems accurate. You can add Pomaks to Eastern Balkans. genetically there are some differences between Pomaks and Bulgarians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

It seems accurate. You can add Pomaks to Eastern Balkans. genetically there are some differences between Pomaks and Bulgarians.

I tought they are just muslim Bulgarians. What kind of differences ?

[Blondie]

What is "Carpatho-Panonnian"?

Hungary is full germanic-slavic mixed. Hungarians have much more german admixture than slovaks or czechs:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_French_German.png

Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Austria, Slovakia, Czechia, South Germany belong to same "central european" category.

[Token]

Cantabrians have most Basque ancestry? That's surprising. Aren't they far removed from Basques on the Lukasz Report map? Do you have any GEDmatch results of them?
They are half Basque-like, quite distinct from their Castillan neighbours.

[1] "distance%=1.5635"

Spanish_Cantabria

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,58
Basque_Spanish,42

[1] "distance%=1.3113"

Spanish_Cantabria

Spanish_Extremadura,55.2
Basque_Spanish,44.8

[Mingle]

Maybe it's better to split Carpatho-Panonnian cluster to Panonnian (Slovenia, north Croatia, Hungary, East Austria) and Carpathian (north Romania, Moldova, maybe some part of Ukraine).
Moldovans are quite more eastern shifted compared to say Slovenians. That atypical Hungarian dude clustered close to Moldova and far from Hungary.

Not sure if the differences are large enough to warrant such a distinction. Moldovans have a lot of Slavic blood and get Slovenes as one of their top matches (if not their top match) IIRC. Let's hear what others have to say.

[Leto]

I don't know. I was just going by Peterski's suggestions. I'm not too familiar with East Slavic and Polish genetic differences.
Poland is significantly different from Russia, yes. He should know better about them than I do. As for us, I would say Russians between Smolensk and Nizhny Novgorod would be more or less the same minus individual and/or minor differences. There have been a lot of migrations between oblasts over the past century, so I can't tell how much of those differences is left if they were ever observable. I'm not sure about differences between different regions of Belarus either, they don't seem very consistent to me. I've seen many results and couldn't make any solid conclusion. Some were straight up (Western) Russian, some more Baltic-leaning, some Polish-leaning and so on.

[Kaspias]

I tught they are just muslim Bulgharians. What kind of differences ?

They are "simply" muslim Bulgarians. Just like Macedonians "simply" Bulgarians.

Pomaks are more homogeneus, they have more Baltic than Bulgarians but less North Atlantic. Also Pomaks have more West Asian influence.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not sure if the differences are large enough to warrant such a distinction. Moldovans have a lot of Slavic blood and get Slovenes as one of their top matches (if not their top match) IIRC. Let's hear what others have to say.

do they have German blood though ?

[Blondie]

Finns are closer to swedes and estonians not to russians:

"Finns aren't closely related to the Sami people, autosomally. Of all populations, Finns are closest to Estonians followed by Swedes. "
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/finns.html

Finns, swedes, norwegians belong to same category.

[Mingle]

do they have German blood though ?They must have some by proxy of their Slavic blood otherwise they wouldn't be so close. Then there is also the fact they may have some direct ancient East Germanic.

Kis_Kócos' suggestion of including Austria, Czechia, and Slovakia in that group makes sense too. I'll probably edit it soon.

[Token]

Finns are closer to swedes and estonians not to russians:

"Finns aren't closely related to the Sami people, autosomally. Of all populations, Finns are closest to Estonians followed by Swedes. "
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/finns.html

Finns, swedes, norwegians belong to same category.

Finns are closer to any Russians, even the Siberian admixed ones, than to Swedes and Norwegians.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Russian_Kostroma Russian_Pinega Russian_Kursk Russian_Orel
2.687788 3.950269 4.625412 4.805733
Russian_Smolensk Swedish Norwegian
5.074206 5.695223 6.439863

[Mingle]

Finns are closer to swedes and estonians not to russians:

"Finns aren't closely related to the Sami people, autosomally. Of all populations, Finns are closest to Estonians followed by Swedes. "
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/finns.html

Finns, swedes, norwegians belong to same category.Finns are 9% East Eurasian.

They're all part of a cline more or less, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

I didn't say Finns were close to Lapps/Samis.

[Mingle]

They are half Basque-like, quite distinct from their Castillan neighbours.

[1] "distance%=1.5635"

Spanish_Cantabria

Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon,58
Basque_Spanish,42

[1] "distance%=1.3113"

Spanish_Cantabria

Spanish_Extremadura,55.2
Basque_Spanish,44.8They seem more like Basque-shifted Spaniards than Spanish-shifted Basques.

[Blondie]

I think these categories are true at all. My categories:

Celto-Germanic: England, Ireland, Scotland, partly Iceland, North France, Netherland, Belgium, North West Germany

Nordic: Finland, partly Baltic states, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, North Germany, partly Netherland, Iceland

Ibero-Celtic: Spain, Portugal, South France

East European: Russia, partly baltic states, Belorussia, Ukraine, partly Poland and Moldova

Central European: South Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, North Croatia, West Romania, Poland

Italo-celtic: Italy

Balkanites: Serbia, partly Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Albania, Greece, Montenegro

Thats all ;)

[Peterski]

Aren't they far removed from Basques on the Lukasz Report map?

If you are relying on Lukasz's map then you can see that in his map Hungarians, Slovenians, Slovaks and Czechs cluster close together but Austrians and East Germans are already visibly further removed (I think K15 PCA is also showing this). So why did you include them in the same cluster in this thread?

Western, Northern and some Southern Poles together with Sorbs form another western-shifted West Slavic cluster close to the Czecho-Slovak cluster but more northern. I wouldn't, however, pay much attention to where Central Poland plots in Lukasz's Map because this population is made of just two samples.

[Leto]

Finns are 9% East Eurasian.

They're all part of a cline more or less, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

I didn't say Finns were close to Lapps/Samis.
I don't think SW Finland (where the majority of Finns live) is "9 percent Siberian". More like 5-6% on average. And by the way, North Sweden (Norrland) has some Sami/Finnish-like admixture (2-3% or so).

[Blondie]

Finns are closer to any Russians, even the Siberian admixed ones, than to Swedes and Norwegians.

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Russian_Kostroma Russian_Pinega Russian_Kursk Russian_Orel
2.687788 3.950269 4.625412 4.805733
Russian_Smolensk Swedish Norwegian
5.074206 5.695223 6.439863

Finns are nordic scandinavians... :rotfl:
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/finns.html

[Kaspias]

I think these categories are true at all. My categories:

Celto-Germanic: England, Ireland, Scotland, partly Iceland, North France, Netherland, Belgium, North West Germany

Nordic: Finland, partly Baltic states, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, North Germany, partly Netherland, Iceland

Ibero-Celtic: Spain, Portugal, South France

East European: Russia, partly baltic states, Belorussia, Ukraine, partly Poland and Moldova

Central European: South Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, North Croatia, West Romania, Poland

Italo-celtic: Italy

Balkanites: Serbia, partly Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Albania, Greece, Montenegro

Thats all ;)

Remove Greece and Albania. Both are South European. Turkey is more Balkanite than Greece.

[Token]

Finns are nordic scandinavians... :rotfl:
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/finns.html

Do you seriously think you will prove your point by linking this pseudo-scientific site made by a clueless guy who believes that Ashkenazi Jews are converted Mongolian Khazars?

[Blondie]

Kis_Kócos' suggestion of including Austria, Czechia, and Slovakia in that group makes sense too. I'll probably edit it soon.

Okay pls cut out this Carpatho-Pannonian category.

[Token]

They must have some by proxy of their Slavic blood otherwise they wouldn't be so close. Then there is also the fact they may have some direct ancient East Germanic.

Kis_Kócos' suggestion of including Austria, Czechia, and Slovakia in that group makes sense too. I'll probably edit it soon.

Nope, it doesn't. Czechs and Slovakians are closer to Poles than to Austrians, they should be in some generic Slavic category.

[Leto]

Slovakia is not as Germanic as people think. It must be more like Southern Poland and Western Ukraine (Lviv, Uzhgorod, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk).

[Blondie]

Do you seriously think you will prove your point by linking this pseudo-scientific site made by a clueless guy who believes that Ashkenazi Jews are converted Mongolian Khazars?

This not pseudo science :D

Autosomal map, finns are closer to swedes and estonians:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/09/nord3.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Nope, it doesn't. Czechs and Slovakians are closer to Poles than to Austrians, they should be in some generic Slavic category.

Czech Rep. less German shifted than Slovenia ? Less med too right

[Leto]

Nope, it doesn't. Czechs and Slovakians are closer to Poles than to Austrians, they should be in some generic Slavic category.
Czechs (at least Bohemians) are pretty much halfway between Belarus/Western Russia or even Ukraine and the Netherlands/Western Germany.

[Figaro]

What is it with some in anthro-forums over the this decade trying to overly Germanicize western slavs (and some others), and overly-slavicizing east Germans and Austrians? Surely the latter has Some slavic admixture, but it is not so much as to warp how they cluster too much, outside of some moderate leaning.

Note: This is referring to Non-Sorbians, as the Sorbs quite obviously are pretty thoroughly Slavic.

[Token]

Czech Rep. less German shifted than Slovenia ? Less med too right

Yes to both. Czech Germanicness is overrated.

[Peterski]

Nope, it doesn't. Czechs and Slovakians are closer to Poles than to Austrians, they should be in some generic Slavic category.

Czechs are also closer to East Germans than to Austrians. Run some individual Czech kits in Eurogenes K15/K13 and you will see that they tend to score either South Polish or East German 1st in Single Population, while rarely Austrian shows up with the shortest distance.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Slovakia is not as Germanic as people think. It must be more like Southern Poland and Western Ukraine (Lviv, Uzhgorod, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk).

Ran some Slovak kits you forwarded me, they don't look homogenous. Some are generic East-Central Europeans while other are more like Ukrainians and Poles. Looks like eastern part of Slovakia was inhabited by Ruthanians who are East Slavic people. Those are probably more purely Slav while other Slovaks are closer to country like Hungary. Some are even close to Croats but that's a minority.

[Mingle]

If you are relying on Lukasz's map then you can see that in his map Hungarians, Slovenians, Slovaks and Czechs cluster close together but Austrians and East Germans are already visibly further removed (I think K15 PCA is also showing this). So why did you include them in the same cluster in this thread?

Western, Northern and some Southern Poles together with Sorbs form another western-shifted West Slavic cluster close to the Czecho-Slovak cluster but more northern. I wouldn't, however, pay much attention to where Central Poland plots in Lukasz's Map because this population is made of just two samples.

I wasn't relying on his map. I just remembered that one bit from it.

I remember Lemgrant posting a link regarding North Slavs being separated into two main clusters: East Slavic-Polish and Czech-Slovak so that was my basis on grouping Poland together with them.

Why are Western Poles more western-shifted than Eastern Poles when most of them have Kresy origins?

How would you re-organize my 'Carpatho-Pannonian' and 'Slavo-Germanic' categories?

[Peterski]

Slovaks are not homogenous, there is a west-east cline. And Eastern Slovakia has many Ruthenians, who are ethnically East Slavic.

[Leto]

Ran some Slovak kits you forwarded me, they don't look homogenous. Some are generic East-Central Europeans while other are more like Ukrainians and Poles. Looks like eastern part of Slovakia was inhabited by Ruthanians who are East Slavic people. Those are probably more purely Slav while other Slovaks are closer to country like Hungary. Some are even close to Croats but that's a minority.
Yep, I bet Košice and Prešov would be almost identical to Western Ukraine and Southern Poland.

[Peterski]

Why are Western Poles more western-shifted than Eastern Poles when most of them have Kresy origins?

I'm talking about Western Poles within pre-WW2 state borders (as well as Polish minority in eastern regions of Weimar Germany).

But if we talk about Kresy Poles, many of them are actually western-shifted because they absorbed Germans from those regions.

For example here is ethnic Pole with all ancestors from Lemberg:

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 25.5
2 Baltic 22.33
3 Atlantic 20.24
4 Eastern_Euro 13.29
5 West_Med 8.13
6 West_Asian 4.39
7 East_Med 3.3
8 Red_Sea 1.16
9 Southeast_Asian 0.85
10 Oceanian 0.43
11 Amerindian 0.38
12 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 4.76
2 Hungarian 5.17
3 Austrian 7.16
4 South_Polish 7.38
5 Croatian 7.7
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.18
7 Ukrainian 8.68
8 Southwest_Finnish 8.9
9 Polish 8.92
10 Moldavian 10.3
11 Finnish 10.61
12 Russian_Smolensk 11.79
13 North_German 12.45
14 Estonian 12.51
15 North_Swedish 12.61
16 Serbian 12.64
17 Belorussian 13.2
18 Southwest_Russian 13.3
19 South_Dutch 13.39
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.3% Southeast_English @ 1.94
2 68% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32% Irish @ 2.07
3 70% South_Polish + 30% Southwest_English @ 2.12
4 79.3% East_German + 20.7% Lithuanian @ 2.12
5 67.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.3% Southwest_English @ 2.13
6 60.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.1% North_German @ 2.21
7 50.2% Lithuanian + 49.8% French @ 2.21
8 65.2% South_Polish + 34.8% South_Dutch @ 2.23
9 54.5% Russian_Smolensk + 45.5% West_German @ 2.28
10 70.3% South_Polish + 29.7% Southeast_English @ 2.28
11 62.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 37.3% South_Dutch @ 2.32
12 69% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31% West_Scottish @ 2.34
13 75.9% East_German + 24.1% Belorussian @ 2.39
14 51.6% Belorussian + 48.4% West_German @ 2.4
15 66.5% South_Polish + 33.5% West_German @ 2.4
16 55.3% South_Dutch + 44.7% Lithuanian @ 2.41
17 63% East_German + 37% South_Polish @ 2.42
18 65.7% East_German + 34.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.45
19 70.7% South_Polish + 29.3% Irish @ 2.56
20 61.8% Polish + 38.2% West_German @ 2.56

[Leto]

But if we talk about Kresy Poles, many of them are actually western-shifted because they absorbed Germans from those regions.

Poles in Belarus and Lithuania/Latvia are not though.

[Leto]

Yes to both. Czech Germanicness is overrated.
Well, you can't say they are just a bunch of Russians in the middle of Europe. They obviously aren't due to both history and geography.

[Peterski]

Poles in Belarus and Lithuania/Latvia are not though.

Poles from Belarus and Lithuania not (they are mixed with native Belarusians and with native Balts instead), but some of Poles from Latvia are descended from Polonized Baltic Germans.

I have not seen enough Latvian Polish results to tell you, but some surnames are of German origin (Władysław Anders, Stanisław Plater, etc. - these are Polonized German descendants).

[Cumansky]

Slovaks are not homogenous, there is a west-east cline. And Eastern Slovakia has many Ruthenians, who are ethnically East Slavic.

We are not pure East Slavic as East Ukrainians, Russians

We are Carpathian people that is our hybridized race, you are just retard German

[Leto]

We are not pure East Slavic as East Ukrainians, Russians

I thought you were a Ukrainian living in France :)

[Blondie]

We are not pure East Slavic as East Ukrainians, Russians

We are Carpathian people that is our hybridized race, you are just retard German

Are you slovak? Carpathian people = slav, german, pannonian (illyrian) mixed.

[Cumansky]

I thought you were a Ukrainian living in France :)

What is Ukrainian called before Ukraine exist, Ruthenian

[Leto]

Northernmost French GEDmatch (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273483-North-French-GEDmatch-Results) for those who have not seen. Just one person though

[Leto]

What is Ukrainian called before Ukraine exist, Ruthenian
True. Rusyn basically means Russian. The term Ukrainian was first adopted in what's now Eastern Ukraine and then imposed onto the rest. Some in the West still consider themselves Rusyn/Ruthenian though.

[Cumansky]

Are you slovak? Carpathian people = slav, german, pannonian (illyrian) mixed.

No, I not Slovak but I cluster with them, some ancestors could have lived there, my mother maiden name Slovakized Zaporozhian Cossack surname

My closest population can be Slovakia, a lot Jews from Iberia both Iberian Ashkenaz and Sephardics settled Czechoslovakia region in the past

[Mingle]

Northernmost French GEDmatch (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?273483-North-French-GEDmatch-Results) for those who have not seen. Just one person thoughThere were Normans and Bretons posted here that were more northern than this one.

[Cumansky]

True. Rusyn basically means Russian. The term Ukrainian was first adopted in what's now Eastern Ukraine and then imposed onto the rest. Some in the West still consider themselves Rusyn/Ruthenian though.

We not same as modern Russians, before they call Ruthenians Rusyns all region belong to Kingdom of Poland since Middle Age

[Leto]

There were Normans and Bretons posted here that were more northern than this one.
I meant geographically. Nord Pas de Calais is one of the northernmost parts of France.

[Mingle]

If you are relying on Lukasz's map then you can see that in his map Hungarians, Slovenians, Slovaks and Czechs cluster close together but Austrians and East Germans are already visibly further removed (I think K15 PCA is also showing this). So why did you include them in the same cluster in this thread?

Western, Northern and some Southern Poles together with Sorbs form another western-shifted West Slavic cluster close to the Czecho-Slovak cluster but more northern. I wouldn't, however, pay much attention to where Central Poland plots in Lukasz's Map because this population is made of just two samples.

I didn't think Northeast Germans and Austrians were different enough to separate them. Is his map accurate in regards to them in your opinion?

What do you think of these clusters? They're slightly modified from the OP.

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast German
• Czech
• Slovak
• North Polish
• South Polish

Pannonian
• Austrian
• NW Croat
• Slovene
• Hungarian

I'm not sure where to group Moldovans, North Romanians, Central Poles, Masovians, and the different East Slavic subgroups (including Carpathian Ruthenes).

[Mingle]

Ran some Slovak kits you forwarded me, they don't look homogenous. Some are generic East-Central Europeans while other are more like Ukrainians and Poles. Looks like eastern part of Slovakia was inhabited by Ruthanians who are East Slavic people. Those are probably more purely Slav while other Slovaks are closer to country like Hungary. Some are even close to Croats but that's a minority.

It may just be that the eastern part of Slovakia has more Proto-Slavic blood due to geography. Carpathian Ruthenes speak an East Slavic language but a lot of them have Vlach origins/DNA (although maybe those specifically in Slovakia don't).

[Cumansky]

I didn't think Northeast Germans and Austrians were different enough to separate them. Is his map accurate in regards to them in your opinion?

What do you think of these clusters? They're slightly modified from the OP.

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast German
• Czech
• Slovak
• North Polish
• South Polish

Pannonian
• Austrian
• NW Croat
• Slovene
• Hungarian

I'm not sure where to group Moldovans, North Romanians, Central Poles, Masovians, and the different East Slavic subgroups (including Carpathian Ruthenes).

South Poland, Eastern Slovakia, Western Ukraine, Eastern Hungary that is the cluster, there will always be some outlier individuals, trust me that is cluster

[Lemgrant]

No, I not Slovak but I cluster with them, some ancestors could have lived there, my mother maiden name Slovakized Zaporozhian Cossack surname

My closest population can be Slovakia, a lot Jews from Iberia both Iberian Ashkenaz and Sephardics settled Czechoslovakia region in the past
what do you mean, that you are partially Jewish?

[Blondie]

I didn't think Northeast Germans and Austrians were different enough to separate them. Is his map accurate in regards to them in your opinion?

What do you think of these clusters? They're slightly modified from the OP.

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast German
• Czech
• Slovak
• North Polish
• South Polish

Pannonian
• Austrian
• NW Croat
• Slovene
• Hungarian

I'm not sure where to group Moldovans, North Romanians, Central Poles, Masovians, and the different East Slavic subgroups (including Carpathian Ruthenes).

I don't understand you :D Why are you so obsessed with pannonians, carpathians? :D
Its just a geographical name, austrians,czechs, slovenians, slovaks, hungarians, croats should put in same category.
Hungary, Slovenia, Austria is very slavo germanic... just like other pannonians.

[Leto]

It's probably impossible to draw clear boundaries within countries. I mean Germany has internal differences, so do France, Spain/Portugal, West Slavs, East Slavs, South Slavs, Greece, Italy, etc.

Not to mention they are seriously diluted in most major urban centers.

[kleenex]

Was thinking of including more than just Europe, but there isn't as much easily available info regarding regions outside Europe and this is a European forum anyways, so this thread is just gonna stay simple and be about genetic clusters in the context of Europeans. Let me know what you think of these anyways.

Northwest European
• British Isles
• Scandinavia
• Northwest Germany
• Benelux
• Northern France

Celto-Germanic
• Eastern & Central France
• West-Central Germany
• Southern Germany
• Switzerland
• Tyrol & Vorarlberg

Iberian
• Spain
• Portugal
• Andorra

Vasconic
• Basque Country
• Navarre
• Gascony

Sardinian
• Sardinia

Italo-Gallic
• Southern France
• North Italy

Carpatho-Pannonian
• Slovenia
• Northwest Croatia
• Hungary
• Northern Romania
• Moldova

Central-East European
• Poland
• Ukraine
• Belarus
• Western Russia

Baltic
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Northeast Poland

Northeast European
• Finland
• Estonia
• North Russia

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast Germany
• Eastern & Central Austria
• Czechia
• Slovakia

West Dinaric
• Southern Croatia
• Bosnia & Herzegovina
• Western & Northern Serbia
• Prechani Serbs
• Slavonia

East Dinaric
• Montenegro
• Southern & Eastern Serbia
• Central Romania

Eastern Balkan
• Wallachia
• Bulgaria
• Vardar Macedonia
• Balkan Turks

Adriatic-Ionian
• Kosovo
• Albania
• Mainland Greece
• Ionian Islands
• Central Italy
• Central-South Italy

Aegean-Ionian
• Insular Greece
• South Italy
• Malta

What do you mean by insular Greece? I can see an East Aegean/Crete/Sicily/.Malta cluster

[Mingle]

What do you mean by insular Greece? I can see an East Aegean/Crete/Sicily/.Malta cluster

Greek Islands. Aren't they part of a single cluster together with Southern Italy and Malta?

Are West Aegeans too genetically different?

[Peterski]

What is North Polish? There is a big difference between North-West and North-East:

Ethnic Polish population ca. 1900:

https://i.imgur.com/a7qgDQv.png

I posted this comparison before:

Birthplaces of ancestors by county (see the map below) and Eurogenes K15 results:

https://i.imgur.com/UG2Y3cw.png

Light Blue - Kartuzy (parents: Jasiowa Huta, Sikorska Stara Huta)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.68
2 Baltic 24.73
3 Eastern_Euro 18.63
4 Atlantic 18.55
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 East_Med 3.98
7 West_Med 1.57
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Red_Sea 0.15
10 Northeast_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.94
2 Polish 7.07
3 Estonian 8.03
4 Ukrainian 8.28
5 Southwest_Finnish 8.28
6 Finnish 8.41
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.44
8 Russian_Smolensk 9.44
9 Southwest_Russian 9.6
10 Belorussian 9.94
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.96
12 Hungarian 10.39
13 Estonian_Polish 10.83
14 East_Finnish 10.92
15 East_German 11.28
16 Croatian 11.35
17 Austrian 12.16
18 Kargopol_Russian 12.64
19 Lithuanian 12.85
20 Moldavian 13.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.4% Swedish @ 3.32
2 63.6% Southwest_Russian + 36.4% Swedish @ 3.37
3 67.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.43
4 68.8% Southwest_Russian + 31.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.48
5 58% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42% North_Swedish @ 3.63
6 65.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.8% Norwegian @ 3.67
7 66.2% Southwest_Russian + 33.8% Norwegian @ 3.71
8 67.6% Southwest_Russian + 32.4% North_Dutch @ 3.84
9 67% Southwest_Russian + 33% Danish @ 3.86
10 59.3% Southwest_Russian + 40.7% North_Swedish @ 3.92
11 66.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.9% Danish @ 3.96
12 66.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.2% North_Dutch @ 4
13 72.1% Southwest_Russian + 27.9% Orcadian @ 4.11
14 64.3% Southwest_Russian + 35.7% North_German @ 4.19
15 70.5% Southwest_Russian + 29.5% West_Scottish @ 4.21
16 60% Russian_Smolensk + 40% North_Swedish @ 4.25
17 71.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.7% Orcadian @ 4.27
18 64.9% Russian_Smolensk + 35.1% Swedish @ 4.31
19 69.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.3% West_Scottish @ 4.33
20 63.4% Belorussian + 36.6% Swedish @ 4.37
Dark Red - Kościerzyna, Kartuzy, Chojnice
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.07
2 Atlantic 23.19
3 North_Sea 23.09
4 Eastern_Euro 20.07
5 West_Med 3.48
6 West_Asian 1.59
7 Sub-Saharan 0.59
8 Siberian 0.25
9 Amerindian 0.25
10 Oceanian 0.23
11 Red_Sea 0.13
12 Northeast_African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 4.97
2 Russian_Smolensk 7.35
3 South_Polish 7.43
4 Belorussian 7.53
5 Estonian 7.6
6 Estonian_Polish 7.66
7 Southwest_Finnish 9.05
8 Southwest_Russian 9.1
9 Ukrainian 9.33
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.94
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.15
12 Finnish 10.34
13 Lithuanian 10.78
14 East_Finnish 11.53
15 Kargopol_Russian 11.95
16 Croatian 12.5
17 East_German 12.7
18 La_Brana-1 13.04
19 Austrian 13.23
20 Hungarian 13.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% Estonian_Polish + 24% West_Scottish @ 3.1
2 75.6% Estonian_Polish + 24.4% Irish @ 3.14
3 76.7% Belorussian + 23.3% West_Scottish @ 3.35
4 74.3% Estonian_Polish + 25.7% Danish @ 3.37
5 76.3% Belorussian + 23.7% Irish @ 3.4
6 78% Estonian_Polish + 22% Orcadian @ 3.44
7 76.5% Estonian_Polish + 23.5% Southeast_English @ 3.54
8 75.1% Estonian_Polish + 24.9% North_Dutch @ 3.56
9 72.3% Estonian_Polish + 27.7% North_German @ 3.59
10 75% Belorussian + 25% Danish @ 3.62
11 78.7% Belorussian + 21.3% Orcadian @ 3.65
12 77.1% Belorussian + 22.9% Southeast_English @ 3.67
13 73.1% Belorussian + 26.9% North_German @ 3.86
14 76% Belorussian + 24% North_Dutch @ 3.87
15 55.3% Estonian_Polish + 44.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.93
16 77.2% Estonian_Polish + 22.8% West_Norwegian @ 3.93
17 77.4% Estonian_Polish + 22.6% Southwest_English @ 3.94
18 77.8% Belorussian + 22.2% Southwest_English @ 3.94
19 56% Belorussian + 44% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.94
20 75.2% Estonian_Polish + 24.8% Norwegian @ 4.01
Green - Starogard (Kociewie region)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.38
2 Baltic 25.8
3 Atlantic 14.69
4 Eastern_Euro 13.86
5 West_Med 8.02
6 West_Asian 5.44
7 Siberian 1.25
8 Northeast_African 1.11
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 South_Asian 0.25
11 East_Med 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.87
2 Ukrainian 7.31
3 South_Polish 7.74
4 Hungarian 9.12
5 Polish 9.34
6 Finnish 9.76
7 East_German 9.92
8 Estonian 10.23
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.37
10 Croatian 11.04
11 Moldavian 12.07
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.19
13 Southwest_Russian 12.66
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.8
15 Belorussian 12.84
16 East_Finnish 13.26
17 Estonian_Polish 13.37
18 Austrian 13.45
19 North_Swedish 13.66
20 Lithuanian 14.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.2% Swedish @ 4.09
2 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.14
3 75.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.7% Norwegian @ 4.28
4 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Swedish @ 4.47
5 76.7% Ukrainian + 23.3% West_Norwegian @ 4.62
6 71.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.3% North_Swedish @ 4.64
7 78.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.9% North_Dutch @ 4.72
8 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Norwegian @ 4.74
9 81.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.5% Orcadian @ 4.76
10 76.9% Ukrainian + 23.1% North_Dutch @ 5.02
11 79.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.6% Danish @ 5.03
12 81.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.4% West_Scottish @ 5.05
13 81.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.7% Irish @ 5.08
14 80.6% Ukrainian + 19.4% Orcadian @ 5.09
15 81.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.5% Southwest_English @ 5.17
16 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% North_Swedish @ 5.22
17 81.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 5.24
18 78.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.9% North_German @ 5.27
19 79.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.7% West_German @ 5.33
20 80.2% Ukrainian + 19.8% Irish @ 5.38
Gold - Łęgowo (Gdańsk), seven persons (one family):
1. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.77
2 North_Sea 25.1
3 Atlantic 19.98
4 Eastern_Euro 18.27
5 West_Med 4.39
6 West_Asian 4.21
7 Sub-Saharan 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 4.03
2 South_Polish 5.14
3 Estonian 6.46
4 Ukrainian 6.85
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.08
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.36
7 Belorussian 7.4
8 Estonian_Polish 8.03
9 Southwest_Russian 8.4
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.86
11 Southwest_Finnish 9.01
12 Finnish 9.47
13 Lithuanian 10.13
14 Croatian 11.18
15 East_German 11.44
16 East_Finnish 11.62
17 Hungarian 11.63
18 Kargopol_Russian 12.31
19 Austrian 12.93
20 La_Brana-1 13.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.6% Lithuanian + 36.4% North_German @ 2.15
2 70.8% Lithuanian + 29.2% Orcadian @ 2.34
3 66.5% Lithuanian + 33.5% Danish @ 2.37
4 75.3% Belorussian + 24.7% West_Norwegian @ 2.38
5 69.2% Lithuanian + 30.8% West_Scottish @ 2.41
6 69.1% Lithuanian + 30.9% Southeast_English @ 2.41
7 71.4% Belorussian + 28.6% Swedish @ 2.43
8 69.3% Lithuanian + 30.7% Southwest_English @ 2.43
9 66.9% Lithuanian + 33.1% North_Dutch @ 2.44
10 74% Belorussian + 26% North_Dutch @ 2.44
11 68.7% Lithuanian + 31.3% Irish @ 2.47
12 77.4% Belorussian + 22.6% Orcadian @ 2.48
13 73.2% Belorussian + 26.8% Norwegian @ 2.48
14 69.7% Estonian_Polish + 30.3% Swedish @ 2.71
15 73.9% Belorussian + 26.1% Danish @ 2.71
16 76.2% Belorussian + 23.8% West_Scottish @ 2.73
17 85.5% Polish + 14.5% Swedish @ 2.73
18 72.7% Russian_Smolensk + 27.3% Swedish @ 2.75
19 75.8% Belorussian + 24.2% Irish @ 2.77
20 76.6% Russian_Smolensk + 23.4% West_Norwegian @ 2.8

2. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 24.79
2 North_Sea 24.22
3 Atlantic 20.2
4 Eastern_Euro 20.13
5 West_Asian 4.58
6 West_Med 4.3
7 Red_Sea 0.99
8 Northeast_African 0.44
9 Sub-Saharan 0.28
10 Oceanian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 4.44
2 South_Polish 5.49
3 Ukrainian 7.29
4 Russian_Smolensk 7.45
5 Estonian 7.83
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.96
7 Southwest_Finnish 8.11
8 Belorussian 8.36
9 Southwest_Russian 8.41
10 Estonian_Polish 8.46
11 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.82
12 Finnish 8.94
13 East_Finnish 10.34
14 Croatian 10.52
15 East_German 10.52
16 Hungarian 11.08
17 Kargopol_Russian 11.13
18 Austrian 11.78
19 Lithuanian 11.87
20 Moldavian 13.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Southwest_Russian + 27.3% West_Scottish @ 2.63
2 70% Estonian_Polish + 30% Danish @ 2.68
3 74.3% Estonian_Polish + 25.7% Orcadian @ 2.69
4 67.1% Russian_Smolensk + 32.9% North_Swedish @ 2.73
5 70.6% Estonian_Polish + 29.4% North_Dutch @ 2.74
6 75.1% Russian_Smolensk + 24.9% West_Norwegian @ 2.75
7 72.4% Southwest_Russian + 27.6% Irish @ 2.76
8 74.5% Southwest_Russian + 25.5% Orcadian @ 2.78
9 70.2% Southwest_Russian + 29.8% Danish @ 2.8
10 67.3% Estonian_Polish + 32.7% North_German @ 2.8
11 84.5% Polish + 15.5% Danish @ 2.81
12 70.8% Southwest_Russian + 29.2% North_Dutch @ 2.83
13 72.8% Russian_Smolensk + 27.2% Norwegian @ 2.83
14 87.2% Polish + 12.8% Orcadian @ 2.85
15 71.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.2% West_Scottish @ 2.86
16 80.6% Polish + 19.4% North_Swedish @ 2.86
17 86.3% Polish + 13.7% West_Scottish @ 2.87
18 82.9% Polish + 17.1% North_German @ 2.88
19 72.8% Estonian_Polish + 27.2% West_Scottish @ 2.9
20 85.2% Polish + 14.8% North_Dutch @ 2.92

3. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.16
2 North_Sea 26.28
3 Atlantic 17.36
4 Eastern_Euro 16.3
5 West_Asian 7.04
6 West_Med 5.12
7 South_Asian 0.35
8 East_Med 0.26
9 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 5.31
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.18
3 Polish 6.36
4 Ukrainian 6.42
5 Estonian 8.25
6 Russian_Smolensk 8.78
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.53
8 Belorussian 9.54
9 Southwest_Russian 9.54
10 Finnish 9.94
11 Southwest_Finnish 10.07
12 Hungarian 10.16
13 Estonian_Polish 10.31
14 Croatian 10.45
15 East_German 10.71
16 Lithuanian 11.79
17 Moldavian 12.37
18 East_Finnish 12.64
19 Austrian 12.76
20 Kargopol_Russian 13.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34.7% Swedish @ 3.8
2 82.5% South_Polish + 17.5% Swedish @ 4.01
3 70.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 29.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.06
4 86% South_Polish + 14% West_Norwegian @ 4.14
5 67.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.1% Norwegian @ 4.2
6 84.9% South_Polish + 15.1% Norwegian @ 4.23
7 82% South_Polish + 18% North_Swedish @ 4.29
8 68.1% Russian_Smolensk + 31.9% Swedish @ 4.34
9 63.5% Lithuanian + 36.5% West_German @ 4.36
10 69.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.8% North_Dutch @ 4.38
11 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% Swedish @ 4.39
12 86.5% South_Polish + 13.5% North_Dutch @ 4.4
13 89% South_Polish + 11% Orcadian @ 4.48
14 87.3% South_Polish + 12.7% Danish @ 4.54
15 52.9% East_German + 47.1% Lithuanian @ 4.56
16 73.1% Russian_Smolensk + 26.9% West_Norwegian @ 4.57
17 89% South_Polish + 11% West_Scottish @ 4.58
18 86% South_Polish + 14% North_German @ 4.59
19 88.8% South_Polish + 11.2% Irish @ 4.6
20 79.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.2% Swedish @ 4.63

4. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.31
2 North_Sea 23.81
3 Atlantic 20.57
4 Eastern_Euro 16.33
5 West_Asian 6.04
6 West_Med 4.47
7 South_Asian 1.38
8 Southeast_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 5.11
2 Polish 5.19
3 Russian_Smolensk 7.2
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.28
5 Ukrainian 7.36
6 Belorussian 8.32
7 Estonian 8.51
8 Estonian_Polish 8.96
9 Southwest_Russian 8.99
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.08
11 Southwest_Finnish 9.86
12 Croatian 10.09
13 Finnish 10.61
14 East_German 10.73
15 Hungarian 10.78
16 Lithuanian 11.19
17 Austrian 11.67
18 East_Finnish 12.86
19 Moldavian 13
20 Kargopol_Russian 13.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.6% Lithuanian + 39.4% North_German @ 3.24
2 75.2% Russian_Smolensk + 24.8% North_Dutch @ 3.25
3 73.1% Russian_Smolensk + 26.9% Swedish @ 3.26
4 78.6% Russian_Smolensk + 21.4% Orcadian @ 3.34
5 77.1% Russian_Smolensk + 22.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.37
6 76.8% Russian_Smolensk + 23.2% Irish @ 3.42
7 72.2% Russian_Smolensk + 27.8% North_German @ 3.43
8 68.5% Belorussian + 31.5% North_German @ 3.44
9 75.1% Russian_Smolensk + 24.9% Norwegian @ 3.46
10 77.4% Russian_Smolensk + 22.6% West_Scottish @ 3.48
11 75.3% Russian_Smolensk + 24.7% Danish @ 3.52
12 73.7% Belorussian + 26.3% Irish @ 3.69
13 75.9% Belorussian + 24.1% Orcadian @ 3.7
14 72.3% Belorussian + 27.7% North_Dutch @ 3.7
15 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% South_Dutch @ 3.73
16 77.6% Russian_Smolensk + 22.4% Southeast_English @ 3.76
17 67.2% Lithuanian + 32.8% Southwest_English @ 3.78
18 51.2% East_German + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 3.81
19 66.9% Lithuanian + 33.1% Southeast_English @ 3.81
20 74.4% Belorussian + 25.6% West_Scottish @ 3.83

5. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.16
2 North_Sea 25
3 Atlantic 17.95
4 Eastern_Euro 17.78
5 West_Asian 6.44
6 West_Med 5.15
7 Sub-Saharan 0.35
8 Red_Sea 0.11
9 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 4.33
2 Polish 4.82
3 Ukrainian 5.79
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.95
5 Russian_Smolensk 7.37
6 Estonian 7.6
7 Belorussian 8.21
8 Southwest_Russian 8.21
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.28
10 Estonian_Polish 8.8
11 Finnish 9.89
12 Southwest_Finnish 9.92
13 Croatian 10.09
14 Hungarian 10.57
15 Lithuanian 10.85
16 East_German 10.98
17 East_Finnish 11.92
18 Moldavian 12.32
19 Kargopol_Russian 12.32
20 Austrian 12.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 30.5% Swedish @ 3.09
2 73.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 26.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.22
3 71.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.5% Norwegian @ 3.35
4 72.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 27.4% North_Dutch @ 3.44
5 72.8% Russian_Smolensk + 27.2% Swedish @ 3.45
6 76.8% Russian_Smolensk + 23.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.56
7 87.6% South_Polish + 12.4% Swedish @ 3.57
8 90% South_Polish + 10% West_Norwegian @ 3.62
9 76.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 23.7% Orcadian @ 3.63
10 70.2% Southwest_Russian + 29.8% Swedish @ 3.63
11 86.4% South_Polish + 13.6% North_Swedish @ 3.64
12 50.3% Lithuanian + 49.7% East_German @ 3.67
13 74.8% Russian_Smolensk + 25.2% Norwegian @ 3.68
14 89.3% South_Polish + 10.7% Norwegian @ 3.68
15 74.5% Southwest_Russian + 25.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.76
16 81.1% South_Polish + 18.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.76
17 85.2% Polish + 14.8% Swedish @ 3.77
18 73.2% Southwest_Russian + 26.8% North_Dutch @ 3.78
19 90.5% South_Polish + 9.5% North_Dutch @ 3.79
20 74.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 25.2% Irish @ 3.81

6. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 26.87
2 Baltic 26.21
3 Atlantic 20.61
4 Eastern_Euro 16.27
5 West_Asian 5.64
6 West_Med 2.42
7 East_Med 1.23
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 Oceanian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 6.98
2 South_Polish 7.08
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.09
4 Estonian 8.11
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.78
6 Ukrainian 8.87
7 Finnish 8.96
8 Russian_Smolensk 9.51
9 Belorussian 10.04
10 Southwest_Russian 10.6
11 East_German 10.64
12 Hungarian 10.91
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.91
14 Estonian_Polish 10.97
15 Croatian 11.77
16 Austrian 12.23
17 East_Finnish 12.34
18 Lithuanian 12.62
19 La_Brana-1 12.88
20 North_Swedish 13.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.8% Lithuanian + 45.2% North_German @ 2.84
2 58.6% Lithuanian + 41.4% Danish @ 3.29
3 59% Lithuanian + 41% North_Dutch @ 3.3
4 62.8% Russian_Smolensk + 37.2% Swedish @ 3.4
5 64.1% Lithuanian + 35.9% Orcadian @ 3.42
6 61.4% Belorussian + 38.6% Swedish @ 3.49
7 62% Lithuanian + 38% West_Scottish @ 3.5
8 61.4% Lithuanian + 38.6% Irish @ 3.52
9 65.1% Belorussian + 34.9% North_Dutch @ 3.57
10 68.5% Russian_Smolensk + 31.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.67
11 67.1% Belorussian + 32.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.69
12 61.2% Belorussian + 38.8% North_German @ 3.74
13 69.9% Belorussian + 30.1% Orcadian @ 3.77
14 62.2% Lithuanian + 37.8% Southeast_English @ 3.79
15 59.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 40.7% Swedish @ 3.82
16 64.9% Belorussian + 35.1% Danish @ 3.83
17 64.3% Belorussian + 35.7% Norwegian @ 3.84
18 65.8% Russian_Smolensk + 34.2% Norwegian @ 3.93
19 60.2% Southwest_Russian + 39.8% Swedish @ 3.94
20 68.1% Belorussian + 31.9% West_Scottish @ 3.98

7. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 30.3
2 Atlantic 22.65
3 Baltic 19.62
4 Eastern_Euro 11.52
5 West_Med 8.25
6 West_Asian 6.48
7 East_Med 0.89
8 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 4.83
2 North_German 7.86
3 Hungarian 9.02
4 Southwest_Finnish 9.44
5 Swedish 9.58
6 North_Swedish 9.72
7 Austrian 10.13
8 South_Dutch 10.2
9 North_Dutch 10.32
10 Danish 10.54
11 Norwegian 10.67
12 West_German 10.72
13 Southwest_English 12.06
14 Finnish 12.1
15 Irish 12.12
16 Southeast_English 12.14
17 South_Polish 12.51
18 West_Scottish 12.76
19 Croatian 12.83
20 West_Norwegian 12.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.5% Irish + 47.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.04
2 55.2% North_Dutch + 44.8% South_Polish @ 3.1
3 53.4% South_Polish + 46.6% Orcadian @ 3.15
4 56.9% North_Dutch + 43.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.2
5 64.3% North_German + 35.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.2
6 51.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.3% Orcadian @ 3.25
7 51.2% West_Scottish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.25
8 65.2% North_German + 34.8% Ukrainian @ 3.31
9 72% East_German + 28% Swedish @ 3.33
10 53.4% Irish + 46.6% Ukrainian @ 3.36
11 52.5% Southeast_English + 47.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.37
12 50.9% Irish + 49.1% South_Polish @ 3.41
13 51% Southwest_English + 49% South_Polish @ 3.42
14 57.8% North_Dutch + 42.2% Ukrainian @ 3.47
15 52.7% Southwest_English + 47.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.48
16 63% North_German + 37% South_Polish @ 3.48
17 50.8% Southeast_English + 49.2% South_Polish @ 3.56
18 50.5% South_Polish + 49.5% West_Scottish @ 3.59
19 50.9% Ukrainian + 49.1% Orcadian @ 3.64
20 64.2% Southwest_English + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 3.66
Purple - Sztum, Gdańsk City (Osowa), Ostróda (Pietrzwałd), Mława
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 27.35
2 Baltic 26.85
3 Atlantic 22.46
4 Eastern_Euro 16.9
5 West_Med 3.86
6 Sub-Saharan 0.8
7 Red_Sea 0.57
8 West_Asian 0.54
9 Siberian 0.46
10 Oceanian 0.16
11 Amerindian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Finnish 7.06
2 Polish 7.09
3 Estonian 7.52
4 South_Polish 8.52
5 Finnish 8.63
6 Ukrainian 9.92
7 Belorussian 10.21
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.37
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.4
10 Estonian_Polish 10.8
11 East_German 11.25
12 Southwest_Russian 11.93
13 East_Finnish 12.08
14 Lithuanian 12.55
15 La_Brana-1 12.63
16 Hungarian 12.63
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.72
18 North_Swedish 12.93
19 Croatian 13.44
20 Austrian 13.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.3% Lithuanian + 38.7% West_Scottish @ 2.3
2 60.8% Lithuanian + 39.2% Irish @ 2.47
3 63.7% Lithuanian + 36.3% Orcadian @ 2.67
4 58.4% Lithuanian + 41.6% Danish @ 2.78
5 58.9% Lithuanian + 41.1% North_Dutch @ 2.89
6 61.7% Lithuanian + 38.3% Southeast_English @ 2.99
7 62.4% Lithuanian + 37.6% Southwest_English @ 3.46
8 55.7% Lithuanian + 44.3% North_German @ 3.49
9 66.3% Belorussian + 33.7% West_Norwegian @ 3.51
10 60.9% Belorussian + 39.1% Swedish @ 3.59
11 57.8% Lithuanian + 42.2% Norwegian @ 3.61
12 74.1% Estonian + 25.9% Irish @ 3.61
13 67% Belorussian + 33% West_Scottish @ 3.62
14 61% Lithuanian + 39% West_Norwegian @ 3.62
15 64.6% Belorussian + 35.4% North_Dutch @ 3.68
16 69.2% Belorussian + 30.8% Orcadian @ 3.69
17 63.4% Belorussian + 36.6% Norwegian @ 3.7
18 66.5% Belorussian + 33.5% Irish @ 3.7
19 75% Estonian + 25% Southeast_English @ 3.76
20 59.4% Estonian_Polish + 40.6% Swedish @ 3.76
Orange - Suwałki Region (three persons):
1. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.4
2 North_Sea 23.59
3 Eastern_Euro 20.92
4 Atlantic 13.83
5 West_Med 4.29
6 Siberian 0.78
7 Sub-Saharan 0.52
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 West_Asian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.22
2 Estonian 6.37
3 Belorussian 6.4
4 Estonian_Polish 7.17
5 Southwest_Russian 8.35
6 Polish 8.43
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.77
8 Ukrainian 9.09
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.25
10 South_Polish 9.87
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.96
12 Kargopol_Russian 12.15
13 Erzya 13.19
14 East_Finnish 14.23
15 Finnish 14.33
16 Southwest_Finnish 16.04
17 Croatian 16.3
18 La_Brana-1 17.31
19 Hungarian 17.96
20 Moldavian 18.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.7% Lithuanian + 32.3% Estonian @ 3.33
2 90.6% Lithuanian + 9.4% North_Swedish @ 3.56
3 86.1% Lithuanian + 13.9% Finnish @ 3.57
4 92.8% Lithuanian + 7.2% West_Norwegian @ 3.58
5 91.8% Lithuanian + 8.2% Swedish @ 3.6
6 92.4% Lithuanian + 7.6% Norwegian @ 3.61
7 81.3% Lithuanian + 18.7% Ukrainian @ 3.77
8 88.2% Lithuanian + 11.8% East_Finnish @ 3.8
9 89.5% Lithuanian + 10.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.8
10 94% Lithuanian + 6% West_German @ 3.81
11 94.1% Lithuanian + 5.9% North_Dutch @ 3.84
12 94.9% Lithuanian + 5.1% Orcadian @ 3.84
13 84.8% Lithuanian + 15.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.89
14 95% Lithuanian + 5% Southwest_English @ 3.9
15 94.5% Lithuanian + 5.5% Danish @ 3.9
16 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% West_Scottish @ 3.94
17 95.3% Lithuanian + 4.7% Southeast_English @ 3.95
18 93% Lithuanian + 7% East_German @ 3.96
19 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Irish @ 3.96
20 95.2% Lithuanian + 4.8% North_German @ 4.01

2. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.69
2 Eastern_Euro 24.12
3 North_Sea 21.57
4 Atlantic 12.64
5 West_Med 3.63
6 West_Asian 2.35
7 Northeast_African 0.76
8 Southeast_Asian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.43
2 Belorussian 6.09
3 Estonian_Polish 6.39
4 Southwest_Russian 6.72
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.37
6 Estonian 7.97
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.2
8 Polish 8.85
9 Ukrainian 9.46
10 South_Polish 10.25
11 Kargopol_Russian 10.52
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.55
13 Erzya 10.65
14 East_Finnish 14.38
15 Finnish 15.61
16 Croatian 16.46
17 Southwest_Finnish 17.42
18 Moldavian 17.93
19 La_Brana-1 18.64
20 Hungarian 18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.2% Lithuanian + 21.8% Erzya @ 3.42
2 81.2% Lithuanian + 18.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.8
3 93.1% Lithuanian + 6.9% Chuvash @ 3.83
4 95% Lithuanian + 5% Mari @ 3.98
5 88.7% Lithuanian + 11.3% East_Finnish @ 4.06
6 75.9% Lithuanian + 24.1% Southwest_Russian @ 4.09
7 83.7% Lithuanian + 16.3% Ukrainian @ 4.11
8 78.9% Lithuanian + 21.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.12
9 94.7% Lithuanian + 5.3% Tatar @ 4.22
10 84.1% Lithuanian + 15.9% Estonian @ 4.24
11 97.4% Lithuanian + 2.6% Tabassaran @ 4.25
12 89.2% Lithuanian + 10.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.27
13 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% MA-1 @ 4.28
14 93.1% Lithuanian + 6.9% Finnish @ 4.29
15 97.8% Lithuanian + 2.2% Lezgin @ 4.29
16 94.7% Lithuanian + 5.3% Moldavian @ 4.32
17 98.3% Lithuanian + 1.7% Shors @ 4.32
18 91.5% Lithuanian + 8.5% South_Polish @ 4.34
19 84.6% Lithuanian + 15.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.35
20 98.3% Lithuanian + 1.7% Chechen @ 4.35

3. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.69
2 Eastern_Euro 22.63
3 North_Sea 21.37
4 Atlantic 11.66
5 West_Med 4.68
6 South_Asian 1.28
7 Sub-Saharan 1.09
8 West_Asian 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 4.68
2 Belorussian 7.51
3 Estonian_Polish 7.86
4 Southwest_Russian 8.74
5 Estonian 9.23
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.35
7 Russian_Smolensk 9.69
8 Polish 10.31
9 Ukrainian 10.45
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.34
11 South_Polish 11.51
12 Erzya 12.41
13 Kargopol_Russian 12.42
14 East_Finnish 16.07
15 Finnish 17.01
16 Croatian 17.43
17 Moldavian 18.85
18 Southwest_Finnish 18.86
19 La_Brana-1 19.68
20 Hungarian 19.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.7% Lithuanian + 10.3% Erzya @ 4.48
2 99.1% Lithuanian + 0.9% Yoruban @ 4.54
3 99.1% Lithuanian + 0.9% Mandenka @ 4.55
4 99.1% Lithuanian + 0.9% Bantu_S.W. @ 4.55
5 99.1% Lithuanian + 0.9% Bantu_S.E. @ 4.55
6 99% Lithuanian + 1% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4.56
7 99% Lithuanian + 1% Luhya @ 4.57
8 99% Lithuanian + 1% Bantu_N.E. @ 4.57
9 99% Lithuanian + 1% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 4.58
10 99.1% Lithuanian + 0.9% San @ 4.6
11 97.5% Lithuanian + 2.5% Chuvash @ 4.61
12 92.2% Lithuanian + 7.8% Ukrainian @ 4.61
13 98% Lithuanian + 2% Mari @ 4.61
14 98.6% Lithuanian + 1.4% MA-1 @ 4.62
15 99.2% Lithuanian + 0.8% Sudanese @ 4.62
16 99.3% Lithuanian + 0.7% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 4.64
17 95.4% Lithuanian + 4.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.64
18 99.4% Lithuanian + 0.6% Sandawe @ 4.65
19 95.6% Lithuanian + 4.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.65
20 99.4% Lithuanian + 0.6% Kol @ 4.66
Dark Blue - Vistytis, Suwałki, Augustów, Kolno, Łomża, Myszyniec
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.4
2 North_Sea 22.5
3 Eastern_Euro 18.79
4 Atlantic 15.92
5 West_Med 5.11
6 West_Asian 3.76
7 South_Asian 2.53
8 Red_Sea 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.07
10 Amerindian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Polish 4.14
2 South_Polish 4.68
3 Ukrainian 4.96
4 Belorussian 5.02
5 Russian_Smolensk 5.16
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.42
7 Estonian_Polish 5.58
8 Southwest_Russian 5.92
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.24
10 Estonian 6.34
11 Lithuanian 6.93
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.75
13 Croatian 11.25
14 Finnish 11.84
15 East_Finnish 12.41
16 Southwest_Finnish 12.7
17 Erzya 12.99
18 Hungarian 13.03
19 Moldavian 13.35
20 East_German 14.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69% Lithuanian + 31% East_German @ 2.72
2 62.7% South_Polish + 37.3% Lithuanian @ 2.75
3 58% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42% Lithuanian @ 2.96
4 79.2% Lithuanian + 20.8% West_German @ 3
5 61.3% Ukrainian + 38.7% Lithuanian @ 3.02
6 53.1% Belorussian + 46.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.18
7 81.2% Lithuanian + 18.8% French @ 3.21
8 67.3% Lithuanian + 32.7% Hungarian @ 3.21
9 79.1% Lithuanian + 20.9% South_Dutch @ 3.22
10 50.5% Ukrainian + 49.5% Belorussian @ 3.29
11 71.4% Polish + 28.6% Lithuanian @ 3.36
12 51.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.8% Estonian_Polish @ 3.39
13 81.2% Lithuanian + 18.8% Southwest_English @ 3.41
14 62.6% South_Polish + 37.4% Estonian @ 3.43
15 53.6% South_Polish + 46.4% Belorussian @ 3.49
16 56.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.8% Estonian @ 3.59
17 78.2% Lithuanian + 21.8% North_German @ 3.59
18 55.6% Ukrainian + 44.4% Estonian_Polish @ 3.62
19 82.6% Lithuanian + 17.4% Orcadian @ 3.66
20 81.5% Lithuanian + 18.5% Southeast_English @ 3.68
Black - Sokółka (Grzebienie), Shchuchyn (Kamianka)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.99
2 Atlantic 21.5
3 Eastern_Euro 20.37
4 North_Sea 16.94
5 West_Med 4.1
6 Siberian 2.13
7 West_Asian 1.98
8 Sub-Saharan 0.77
9 Red_Sea 0.54
10 Northeast_African 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Estonian_Polish 4.6
2 Russian_Smolensk 4.69
3 Belorussian 4.97
4 Polish 6.31
5 Southwest_Russian 6.9
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.69
7 Lithuanian 7.93
8 South_Polish 8.35
9 Estonian 9.58
10 Ukrainian 9.84
11 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.51
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.63
13 Croatian 12.88
14 Erzya 13.21
15 East_Finnish 13.5
16 Finnish 14.37
17 Southwest_Finnish 14.38
18 La_Brana-1 15.4
19 Austrian 15.7
20 Moldavian 16.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.9% Estonian_Polish + 6.1% French_Basque @ 3.83
2 92.8% Belorussian + 7.2% French_Basque @ 3.94
3 94.1% Estonian_Polish + 5.9% Southwest_French @ 4.15
4 94.7% Estonian_Polish + 5.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 4.17
5 94.9% Estonian_Polish + 5.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.22
6 94.8% Estonian_Polish + 5.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 4.22
7 98.1% Estonian_Polish + 1.9% Evenki @ 4.23
8 98.1% Estonian_Polish + 1.9% Evens @ 4.23
9 95% Estonian_Polish + 5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.24
10 98% Estonian_Polish + 2% Yakut @ 4.24
11 98% Estonian_Polish + 2% Dolgan @ 4.25
12 95% Estonian_Polish + 5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.25
13 95% Estonian_Polish + 5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.28
14 98.1% Estonian_Polish + 1.9% Oroqen @ 4.29
15 95.4% Estonian_Polish + 4.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.31
16 95.2% Estonian_Polish + 4.8% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.32
17 98% Estonian_Polish + 2% Buryat @ 4.33
18 98.1% Estonian_Polish + 1.9% Koryak @ 4.33
19 92.8% Belorussian + 7.2% Southwest_French @ 4.34
20 85.5% Lithuanian + 14.5% French_Basque @ 4.35

[Mingle]

I don't understand you :D Why are you so obsessed with pannonians, carpathians? :D
Its just a geographical name, austrians,czechs, slovenians, slovaks, hungarians, croats should put in same category.
Hungary, Slovenia, Austria is very slavo germanic... just like other pannonians.

I didn't say it wasn't anything other than a geographic name :p They could have been labeled 'Cluster A' and 'Cluster B' but that would have been too boring. True that they're genetically close but there are some differences too. Was just asking for some extra opinions anyways, don't worry I'll edit the OP soon.

[Mingle]

@Peterski

You mentioned 'North Polish' in your previous post so I was just quoting you. What do you think of the rest of what I wrote (especially regarding how I categorized the non-Poles there)?

[ixulescu]

the Romanian groups are not quite in the proper clusters

[Mingle]

the Romanian groups are not quite in the proper clusters

Can you elaborate?

[Cumansky]

what do you mean, that you are partially Jewish?

I made thread yesterday classify me I put DNA report is there, in Taxonomy

I called thread "Classify Atypical Brazilian" but was all photo of me Ukrainian and Polish, and they say I can pass in Sao Paulo as White Brazilian hahah

[ixulescu]

Can you elaborate?

maybe tomorrow if I'll remember

[Lemgrant]

I made thread yesterday classify me I put DNA report is there, in Taxonomy

I called thread "Classify Atypical Brazilian" but was all photo of me Ukrainian and Polish, and they say I can pass in Sao Paulo as White Brazilian hahah

:icon_lol: I didn't see the photos but you posted dna report from dna tribes and you score 4% Jewish, is this true?

[Mingle]

What is North Polish? There is a big difference between North-West and North-East:

Ethnic Polish population ca. 1900:

https://i.imgur.com/a7qgDQv.png

I posted this comparison before:

Birthplaces of ancestors by county (see the map below) and Eurogenes K15 results:

https://i.imgur.com/UG2Y3cw.png

Light Blue - Kartuzy (parents: Jasiowa Huta, Sikorska Stara Huta)
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea26.68
2Baltic24.73
3Eastern_Euro18.63
4Atlantic18.55
5West_Asian5.43
6East_Med3.98
7West_Med1.57
8Amerindian0.25
9Red_Sea0.15
10Northeast_African0.04

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1South_Polish6.94
2Polish7.07
3Estonian8.03
4Ukrainian8.28
5Southwest_Finnish8.28
6Finnish8.41
7Ukrainian_Lviv8.44
8Russian_Smolensk9.44
9Southwest_Russian9.6
10Belorussian9.94
11Ukrainian_Belgorod9.96
12Hungarian10.39
13Estonian_Polish10.83
14East_Finnish10.92
15East_German11.28
16Croatian11.35
17Austrian12.16
18Kargopol_Russian12.64
19Lithuanian12.85
20Moldavian13.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 62.6%Ukrainian_Belgorod+37.4%Swedish@3.32
2 63.6%Southwest_Russian+36.4%Swedish@3.37
3 67.8%Ukrainian_Belgorod+32.2%West_Norwegian@3.43
4 68.8%Southwest_Russian+31.2%West_Norwegian@3.48
5 58%Ukrainian_Belgorod+42%North_Swedish@3.63
6 65.2%Ukrainian_Belgorod+34.8%Norwegian@3.67
7 66.2%Southwest_Russian+33.8%Norwegian@3.71
8 67.6%Southwest_Russian+32.4%North_Dutch@3.84
9 67%Southwest_Russian+33%Danish@3.86
10 59.3%Southwest_Russian+40.7%North_Swedish@3.92
11 66.1%Ukrainian_Belgorod+33.9%Danish@3.96
12 66.8%Ukrainian_Belgorod+33.2%North_Dutch@4
13 72.1%Southwest_Russian+27.9%Orcadian@4.11
14 64.3%Southwest_Russian+35.7%North_German@4.19
15 70.5%Southwest_Russian+29.5%West_Scottish@4.21
16 60%Russian_Smolensk+40%North_Swedish@4.25
17 71.3%Ukrainian_Belgorod+28.7%Orcadian@4.27
18 64.9%Russian_Smolensk+35.1%Swedish@4.31
19 69.7%Ukrainian_Belgorod+30.3%West_Scottish@4.33
20 63.4%Belorussian+36.6%Swedish@4.37
Dark Red - Kościerzyna, Kartuzy, Chojnice
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic27.07
2Atlantic23.19
3North_Sea23.09
4Eastern_Euro20.07
5West_Med3.48
6West_Asian1.59
7Sub-Saharan0.59
8Siberian0.25
9Amerindian0.25
10Oceanian0.23
11Red_Sea0.13
12Northeast_African0.07

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Polish4.97
2Russian_Smolensk7.35
3South_Polish7.43
4Belorussian7.53
5Estonian7.6
6Estonian_Polish7.66
7Southwest_Finnish9.05
8Southwest_Russian9.1
9Ukrainian9.33
10Ukrainian_Belgorod9.94
11Ukrainian_Lviv10.15
12Finnish10.34
13Lithuanian10.78
14East_Finnish11.53
15Kargopol_Russian11.95
16Croatian12.5
17East_German12.7
18La_Brana-113.04
19Austrian13.23
20Hungarian13.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 76%Estonian_Polish+24%West_Scottish@3.1
2 75.6%Estonian_Polish+24.4%Irish@3.14
3 76.7%Belorussian+23.3%West_Scottish@3.35
4 74.3%Estonian_Polish+25.7%Danish@3.37
5 76.3%Belorussian+23.7%Irish@3.4
6 78%Estonian_Polish+22%Orcadian@3.44
7 76.5%Estonian_Polish+23.5%Southeast_English@3.54
8 75.1%Estonian_Polish+24.9%North_Dutch@3.56
9 72.3%Estonian_Polish+27.7%North_German@3.59
10 75%Belorussian+25%Danish@3.62
11 78.7%Belorussian+21.3%Orcadian@3.65
12 77.1%Belorussian+22.9%Southeast_English@3.67
13 73.1%Belorussian+26.9%North_German@3.86
14 76%Belorussian+24%North_Dutch@3.87
15 55.3%Estonian_Polish+44.7%Southwest_Finnish@3.93
16 77.2%Estonian_Polish+22.8%West_Norwegian@3.93
17 77.4%Estonian_Polish+22.6%Southwest_English@3.94
18 77.8%Belorussian+22.2%Southwest_English@3.94
19 56%Belorussian+44%Southwest_Finnish@3.94
20 75.2%Estonian_Polish+24.8%Norwegian@4.01
Green - Starogard (Kociewie region)
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea28.38
2Baltic25.8
3Atlantic14.69
4Eastern_Euro13.86
5West_Med8.02
6West_Asian5.44
7Siberian1.25
8Northeast_African1.11
9Amerindian0.97
10South_Asian0.25
11East_Med0.23

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Ukrainian_Lviv6.87
2Ukrainian7.31
3South_Polish7.74
4Hungarian9.12
5Polish9.34
6Finnish9.76
7East_German9.92
8Estonian10.23
9Southwest_Finnish10.37
10Croatian11.04
11Moldavian12.07
12Russian_Smolensk12.19
13Southwest_Russian12.66
14Ukrainian_Belgorod12.8
15Belorussian12.84
16East_Finnish13.26
17Estonian_Polish13.37
18Austrian13.45
19North_Swedish13.66
20Lithuanian14.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 72.8%Ukrainian_Lviv+27.2%Swedish@4.09
2 77.4%Ukrainian_Lviv+22.6%West_Norwegian@4.14
3 75.3%Ukrainian_Lviv+24.7%Norwegian@4.28
4 71.7%Ukrainian+28.3%Swedish@4.47
5 76.7%Ukrainian+23.3%West_Norwegian@4.62
6 71.7%Ukrainian_Lviv+28.3%North_Swedish@4.64
7 78.1%Ukrainian_Lviv+21.9%North_Dutch@4.72
8 74.5%Ukrainian+25.5%Norwegian@4.74
9 81.5%Ukrainian_Lviv+18.5%Orcadian@4.76
10 76.9%Ukrainian+23.1%North_Dutch@5.02
11 79.4%Ukrainian_Lviv+20.6%Danish@5.03
12 81.6%Ukrainian_Lviv+18.4%West_Scottish@5.05
13 81.3%Ukrainian_Lviv+18.7%Irish@5.08
14 80.6%Ukrainian+19.4%Orcadian@5.09
15 81.5%Ukrainian_Lviv+18.5%Southwest_English@5.17
16 71.1%Ukrainian+28.9%North_Swedish@5.22
17 81.9%Ukrainian_Lviv+18.1%Southeast_English@5.24
18 78.1%Ukrainian_Lviv+21.9%North_German@5.27
19 79.3%Ukrainian_Lviv+20.7%West_German@5.33
20 80.2%Ukrainian+19.8%Irish@5.38
Gold - Łęgowo (Gdańsk), seven persons (one family):
1. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic27.77
2North_Sea25.1
3Atlantic19.98
4Eastern_Euro18.27
5West_Med4.39
6West_Asian4.21
7Sub-Saharan0.27

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Polish4.03
2South_Polish5.14
3Estonian6.46
4Ukrainian6.85
5Russian_Smolensk7.08
6Ukrainian_Lviv7.36
7Belorussian7.4
8Estonian_Polish8.03
9Southwest_Russian8.4
10Ukrainian_Belgorod8.86
11Southwest_Finnish9.01
12Finnish9.47
13Lithuanian10.13
14Croatian11.18
15East_German11.44
16East_Finnish11.62
17Hungarian11.63
18Kargopol_Russian12.31
19Austrian12.93
20La_Brana-113.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 63.6%Lithuanian+36.4%North_German@2.15
2 70.8%Lithuanian+29.2%Orcadian@2.34
3 66.5%Lithuanian+33.5%Danish@2.37
4 75.3%Belorussian+24.7%West_Norwegian@2.38
5 69.2%Lithuanian+30.8%West_Scottish@2.41
6 69.1%Lithuanian+30.9%Southeast_English@2.41
7 71.4%Belorussian+28.6%Swedish@2.43
8 69.3%Lithuanian+30.7%Southwest_English@2.43
9 66.9%Lithuanian+33.1%North_Dutch@2.44
10 74%Belorussian+26%North_Dutch@2.44
11 68.7%Lithuanian+31.3%Irish@2.47
12 77.4%Belorussian+22.6%Orcadian@2.48
13 73.2%Belorussian+26.8%Norwegian@2.48
14 69.7%Estonian_Polish+30.3%Swedish@2.71
15 73.9%Belorussian+26.1%Danish@2.71
16 76.2%Belorussian+23.8%West_Scottish@2.73
17 85.5%Polish+14.5%Swedish@2.73
18 72.7%Russian_Smolensk+27.3%Swedish@2.75
19 75.8%Belorussian+24.2%Irish@2.77
20 76.6%Russian_Smolensk+23.4%West_Norwegian@2.8

2. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic24.79
2North_Sea24.22
3Atlantic20.2
4Eastern_Euro20.13
5West_Asian4.58
6West_Med4.3
7Red_Sea0.99
8Northeast_African0.44
9Sub-Saharan0.28
10Oceanian0.08

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Polish4.44
2South_Polish5.49
3Ukrainian7.29
4Russian_Smolensk7.45
5Estonian7.83
6Ukrainian_Lviv7.96
7Southwest_Finnish8.11
8Belorussian8.36
9Southwest_Russian8.41
10Estonian_Polish8.46
11Ukrainian_Belgorod8.82
12Finnish8.94
13East_Finnish10.34
14Croatian10.52
15East_German10.52
16Hungarian11.08
17Kargopol_Russian11.13
18Austrian11.78
19Lithuanian11.87
20Moldavian13.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 72.7%Southwest_Russian+27.3%West_Scottish@2.63
2 70%Estonian_Polish+30%Danish@2.68
3 74.3%Estonian_Polish+25.7%Orcadian@2.69
4 67.1%Russian_Smolensk+32.9%North_Swedish@2.73
5 70.6%Estonian_Polish+29.4%North_Dutch@2.74
6 75.1%Russian_Smolensk+24.9%West_Norwegian@2.75
7 72.4%Southwest_Russian+27.6%Irish@2.76
8 74.5%Southwest_Russian+25.5%Orcadian@2.78
9 70.2%Southwest_Russian+29.8%Danish@2.8
10 67.3%Estonian_Polish+32.7%North_German@2.8
11 84.5%Polish+15.5%Danish@2.81
12 70.8%Southwest_Russian+29.2%North_Dutch@2.83
13 72.8%Russian_Smolensk+27.2%Norwegian@2.83
14 87.2%Polish+12.8%Orcadian@2.85
15 71.8%Ukrainian_Belgorod+28.2%West_Scottish@2.86
16 80.6%Polish+19.4%North_Swedish@2.86
17 86.3%Polish+13.7%West_Scottish@2.87
18 82.9%Polish+17.1%North_German@2.88
19 72.8%Estonian_Polish+27.2%West_Scottish@2.9
20 85.2%Polish+14.8%North_Dutch@2.92

3. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic27.16
2North_Sea26.28
3Atlantic17.36
4Eastern_Euro16.3
5West_Asian7.04
6West_Med5.12
7South_Asian0.35
8East_Med0.26
9Oceanian0.13

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1South_Polish5.31
2Ukrainian_Lviv6.18
3Polish6.36
4Ukrainian6.42
5Estonian8.25
6Russian_Smolensk8.78
7Ukrainian_Belgorod9.53
8Belorussian9.54
9Southwest_Russian9.54
10Finnish9.94
11Southwest_Finnish10.07
12Hungarian10.16
13Estonian_Polish10.31
14Croatian10.45
15East_German10.71
16Lithuanian11.79
17Moldavian12.37
18East_Finnish12.64
19Austrian12.76
20Kargopol_Russian13.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 65.3%Ukrainian_Belgorod+34.7%Swedish@3.8
2 82.5%South_Polish+17.5%Swedish@4.01
3 70.4%Ukrainian_Belgorod+29.6%West_Norwegian@4.06
4 86%South_Polish+14%West_Norwegian@4.14
5 67.9%Ukrainian_Belgorod+32.1%Norwegian@4.2
6 84.9%South_Polish+15.1%Norwegian@4.23
7 82%South_Polish+18%North_Swedish@4.29
8 68.1%Russian_Smolensk+31.9%Swedish@4.34
9 63.5%Lithuanian+36.5%West_German@4.36
10 69.2%Ukrainian_Belgorod+30.8%North_Dutch@4.38
11 65.7%Southwest_Russian+34.3%Swedish@4.39
12 86.5%South_Polish+13.5%North_Dutch@4.4
13 89%South_Polish+11%Orcadian@4.48
14 87.3%South_Polish+12.7%Danish@4.54
15 52.9%East_German+47.1%Lithuanian@4.56
16 73.1%Russian_Smolensk+26.9%West_Norwegian@4.57
17 89%South_Polish+11%West_Scottish@4.58
18 86%South_Polish+14%North_German@4.59
19 88.8%South_Polish+11.2%Irish@4.6
20 79.8%Ukrainian_Lviv+20.2%Swedish@4.63

4. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic27.31
2North_Sea23.81
3Atlantic20.57
4Eastern_Euro16.33
5West_Asian6.04
6West_Med4.47
7South_Asian1.38
8Southeast_Asian0.09

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1South_Polish5.11
2Polish5.19
3Russian_Smolensk7.2
4Ukrainian_Lviv7.28
5Ukrainian7.36
6Belorussian8.32
7Estonian8.51
8Estonian_Polish8.96
9Southwest_Russian8.99
10Ukrainian_Belgorod9.08
11Southwest_Finnish9.86
12Croatian10.09
13Finnish10.61
14East_German10.73
15Hungarian10.78
16Lithuanian11.19
17Austrian11.67
18East_Finnish12.86
19Moldavian13
20Kargopol_Russian13.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 60.6%Lithuanian+39.4%North_German@3.24
2 75.2%Russian_Smolensk+24.8%North_Dutch@3.25
3 73.1%Russian_Smolensk+26.9%Swedish@3.26
4 78.6%Russian_Smolensk+21.4%Orcadian@3.34
5 77.1%Russian_Smolensk+22.9%West_Norwegian@3.37
6 76.8%Russian_Smolensk+23.2%Irish@3.42
7 72.2%Russian_Smolensk+27.8%North_German@3.43
8 68.5%Belorussian+31.5%North_German@3.44
9 75.1%Russian_Smolensk+24.9%Norwegian@3.46
10 77.4%Russian_Smolensk+22.6%West_Scottish@3.48
11 75.3%Russian_Smolensk+24.7%Danish@3.52
12 73.7%Belorussian+26.3%Irish@3.69
13 75.9%Belorussian+24.1%Orcadian@3.7
14 72.3%Belorussian+27.7%North_Dutch@3.7
15 64.1%Lithuanian+35.9%South_Dutch@3.73
16 77.6%Russian_Smolensk+22.4%Southeast_English@3.76
17 67.2%Lithuanian+32.8%Southwest_English@3.78
18 51.2%East_German+48.8%Lithuanian@3.81
19 66.9%Lithuanian+33.1%Southeast_English@3.81
20 74.4%Belorussian+25.6%West_Scottish@3.83

5. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic27.16
2North_Sea25
3Atlantic17.95
4Eastern_Euro17.78
5West_Asian6.44
6West_Med5.15
7Sub-Saharan0.35
8Red_Sea0.11
9Oceanian0.05

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1South_Polish4.33
2Polish4.82
3Ukrainian5.79
4Ukrainian_Lviv5.95
5Russian_Smolensk7.37
6Estonian7.6
7Belorussian8.21
8Southwest_Russian8.21
9Ukrainian_Belgorod8.28
10Estonian_Polish8.8
11Finnish9.89
12Southwest_Finnish9.92
13Croatian10.09
14Hungarian10.57
15Lithuanian10.85
16East_German10.98
17East_Finnish11.92
18Moldavian12.32
19Kargopol_Russian12.32
20Austrian12.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 69.5%Ukrainian_Belgorod+30.5%Swedish@3.09
2 73.8%Ukrainian_Belgorod+26.2%West_Norwegian@3.22
3 71.5%Ukrainian_Belgorod+28.5%Norwegian@3.35
4 72.6%Ukrainian_Belgorod+27.4%North_Dutch@3.44
5 72.8%Russian_Smolensk+27.2%Swedish@3.45
6 76.8%Russian_Smolensk+23.2%West_Norwegian@3.56
7 87.6%South_Polish+12.4%Swedish@3.57
8 90%South_Polish+10%West_Norwegian@3.62
9 76.3%Ukrainian_Belgorod+23.7%Orcadian@3.63
10 70.2%Southwest_Russian+29.8%Swedish@3.63
11 86.4%South_Polish+13.6%North_Swedish@3.64
12 50.3%Lithuanian+49.7%East_German@3.67
13 74.8%Russian_Smolensk+25.2%Norwegian@3.68
14 89.3%South_Polish+10.7%Norwegian@3.68
15 74.5%Southwest_Russian+25.5%West_Norwegian@3.76
16 81.1%South_Polish+18.9%Southwest_Finnish@3.76
17 85.2%Polish+14.8%Swedish@3.77
18 73.2%Southwest_Russian+26.8%North_Dutch@3.78
19 90.5%South_Polish+9.5%North_Dutch@3.79
20 74.8%Ukrainian_Belgorod+25.2%Irish@3.81

6. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea26.87
2Baltic26.21
3Atlantic20.61
4Eastern_Euro16.27
5West_Asian5.64
6West_Med2.42
7East_Med1.23
8Amerindian0.4
9Oceanian0.34

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Polish6.98
2South_Polish7.08
3Southwest_Finnish8.09
4Estonian8.11
5Ukrainian_Lviv8.78
6Ukrainian8.87
7Finnish8.96
8Russian_Smolensk9.51
9Belorussian10.04
10Southwest_Russian10.6
11East_German10.64
12Hungarian10.91
13Ukrainian_Belgorod10.91
14Estonian_Polish10.97
15Croatian11.77
16Austrian12.23
17East_Finnish12.34
18Lithuanian12.62
19La_Brana-112.88
20North_Swedish13.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 54.8%Lithuanian+45.2%North_German@2.84
2 58.6%Lithuanian+41.4%Danish@3.29
3 59%Lithuanian+41%North_Dutch@3.3
4 62.8%Russian_Smolensk+37.2%Swedish@3.4
5 64.1%Lithuanian+35.9%Orcadian@3.42
6 61.4%Belorussian+38.6%Swedish@3.49
7 62%Lithuanian+38%West_Scottish@3.5
8 61.4%Lithuanian+38.6%Irish@3.52
9 65.1%Belorussian+34.9%North_Dutch@3.57
10 68.5%Russian_Smolensk+31.5%West_Norwegian@3.67
11 67.1%Belorussian+32.9%West_Norwegian@3.69
12 61.2%Belorussian+38.8%North_German@3.74
13 69.9%Belorussian+30.1%Orcadian@3.77
14 62.2%Lithuanian+37.8%Southeast_English@3.79
15 59.3%Ukrainian_Belgorod+40.7%Swedish@3.82
16 64.9%Belorussian+35.1%Danish@3.83
17 64.3%Belorussian+35.7%Norwegian@3.84
18 65.8%Russian_Smolensk+34.2%Norwegian@3.93
19 60.2%Southwest_Russian+39.8%Swedish@3.94
20 68.1%Belorussian+31.9%West_Scottish@3.98

7. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea30.3
2Atlantic22.65
3Baltic19.62
4Eastern_Euro11.52
5West_Med8.25
6West_Asian6.48
7East_Med0.89
8Oceanian0.28

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1East_German4.83
2North_German7.86
3Hungarian9.02
4Southwest_Finnish9.44
5Swedish9.58
6North_Swedish9.72
7Austrian10.13
8South_Dutch10.2
9North_Dutch10.32
10Danish10.54
11Norwegian10.67
12West_German10.72
13Southwest_English12.06
14Finnish12.1
15Irish12.12
16Southeast_English12.14
17South_Polish12.51
18West_Scottish12.76
19Croatian12.83
20West_Norwegian12.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 52.5%Irish+47.5%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.04
2 55.2%North_Dutch+44.8%South_Polish@3.1
3 53.4%South_Polish+46.6%Orcadian@3.15
4 56.9%North_Dutch+43.1%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.2
5 64.3%North_German+35.7%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.2
6 51.7%Ukrainian_Lviv+48.3%Orcadian@3.25
7 51.2%West_Scottish+48.8%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.25
8 65.2%North_German+34.8%Ukrainian@3.31
9 72%East_German+28%Swedish@3.33
10 53.4%Irish+46.6%Ukrainian@3.36
11 52.5%Southeast_English+47.5%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.37
12 50.9%Irish+49.1%South_Polish@3.41
13 51%Southwest_English+49%South_Polish@3.42
14 57.8%North_Dutch+42.2%Ukrainian@3.47
15 52.7%Southwest_English+47.3%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.48
16 63%North_German+37%South_Polish@3.48
17 50.8%Southeast_English+49.2%South_Polish@3.56
18 50.5%South_Polish+49.5%West_Scottish@3.59
19 50.9%Ukrainian+49.1%Orcadian@3.64
20 64.2%Southwest_English+35.8%Lithuanian@3.66
Purple - Sztum, Gdańsk City (Osowa), Ostróda (Pietrzwałd), Mława
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea27.35
2Baltic26.85
3Atlantic22.46
4Eastern_Euro16.9
5West_Med3.86
6Sub-Saharan0.8
7Red_Sea0.57
8West_Asian0.54
9Siberian0.46
10Oceanian0.16
11Amerindian0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Southwest_Finnish7.06
2Polish7.09
3Estonian7.52
4South_Polish8.52
5Finnish8.63
6Ukrainian9.92
7Belorussian10.21
8Ukrainian_Lviv10.37
9Russian_Smolensk10.4
10Estonian_Polish10.8
11East_German11.25
12Southwest_Russian11.93
13East_Finnish12.08
14Lithuanian12.55
15La_Brana-112.63
16Hungarian12.63
17Ukrainian_Belgorod12.72
18North_Swedish12.93
19Croatian13.44
20Austrian13.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 61.3%Lithuanian+38.7%West_Scottish@2.3
2 60.8%Lithuanian+39.2%Irish@2.47
3 63.7%Lithuanian+36.3%Orcadian@2.67
4 58.4%Lithuanian+41.6%Danish@2.78
5 58.9%Lithuanian+41.1%North_Dutch@2.89
6 61.7%Lithuanian+38.3%Southeast_English@2.99
7 62.4%Lithuanian+37.6%Southwest_English@3.46
8 55.7%Lithuanian+44.3%North_German@3.49
9 66.3%Belorussian+33.7%West_Norwegian@3.51
10 60.9%Belorussian+39.1%Swedish@3.59
11 57.8%Lithuanian+42.2%Norwegian@3.61
12 74.1%Estonian+25.9%Irish@3.61
13 67%Belorussian+33%West_Scottish@3.62
14 61%Lithuanian+39%West_Norwegian@3.62
15 64.6%Belorussian+35.4%North_Dutch@3.68
16 69.2%Belorussian+30.8%Orcadian@3.69
17 63.4%Belorussian+36.6%Norwegian@3.7
18 66.5%Belorussian+33.5%Irish@3.7
19 75%Estonian+25%Southeast_English@3.76
20 59.4%Estonian_Polish+40.6%Swedish@3.76
Orange - Suwałki Region (three persons):
1. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic35.4
2North_Sea23.59
3Eastern_Euro20.92
4Atlantic13.83
5West_Med4.29
6Siberian0.78
7Sub-Saharan0.52
8Oceanian0.45
9West_Asian0.22

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Lithuanian4.22
2Estonian6.37
3Belorussian6.4
4Estonian_Polish7.17
5Southwest_Russian8.35
6Polish8.43
7Russian_Smolensk8.77
8Ukrainian9.09
9Ukrainian_Belgorod9.25
10South_Polish9.87
11Ukrainian_Lviv9.96
12Kargopol_Russian12.15
13Erzya13.19
14East_Finnish14.23
15Finnish14.33
16Southwest_Finnish16.04
17Croatian16.3
18La_Brana-117.31
19Hungarian17.96
20Moldavian18.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 67.7%Lithuanian+32.3%Estonian@3.33
2 90.6%Lithuanian+9.4%North_Swedish@3.56
3 86.1%Lithuanian+13.9%Finnish@3.57
4 92.8%Lithuanian+7.2%West_Norwegian@3.58
5 91.8%Lithuanian+8.2%Swedish@3.6
6 92.4%Lithuanian+7.6%Norwegian@3.61
7 81.3%Lithuanian+18.7%Ukrainian@3.77
8 88.2%Lithuanian+11.8%East_Finnish@3.8
9 89.5%Lithuanian+10.5%Southwest_Finnish@3.8
10 94%Lithuanian+6%West_German@3.81
11 94.1%Lithuanian+5.9%North_Dutch@3.84
12 94.9%Lithuanian+5.1%Orcadian@3.84
13 84.8%Lithuanian+15.2%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.89
14 95%Lithuanian+5%Southwest_English@3.9
15 94.5%Lithuanian+5.5%Danish@3.9
16 95.2%Lithuanian+4.8%West_Scottish@3.94
17 95.3%Lithuanian+4.7%Southeast_English@3.95
18 93%Lithuanian+7%East_German@3.96
19 95.4%Lithuanian+4.6%Irish@3.96
20 95.2%Lithuanian+4.8%North_German@4.01

2. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic34.69
2Eastern_Euro24.12
3North_Sea21.57
4Atlantic12.64
5West_Med3.63
6West_Asian2.35
7Northeast_African0.76
8Southeast_Asian0.24

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Lithuanian4.43
2Belorussian6.09
3Estonian_Polish6.39
4Southwest_Russian6.72
5Ukrainian_Belgorod7.37
6Estonian7.97
7Russian_Smolensk8.2
8Polish8.85
9Ukrainian9.46
10South_Polish10.25
11Kargopol_Russian10.52
12Ukrainian_Lviv10.55
13Erzya10.65
14East_Finnish14.38
15Finnish15.61
16Croatian16.46
17Southwest_Finnish17.42
18Moldavian17.93
19La_Brana-118.64
20Hungarian18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 78.2%Lithuanian+21.8%Erzya@3.42
2 81.2%Lithuanian+18.8%Kargopol_Russian@3.8
3 93.1%Lithuanian+6.9%Chuvash@3.83
4 95%Lithuanian+5%Mari@3.98
5 88.7%Lithuanian+11.3%East_Finnish@4.06
6 75.9%Lithuanian+24.1%Southwest_Russian@4.09
7 83.7%Lithuanian+16.3%Ukrainian@4.11
8 78.9%Lithuanian+21.1%Ukrainian_Belgorod@4.12
9 94.7%Lithuanian+5.3%Tatar@4.22
10 84.1%Lithuanian+15.9%Estonian@4.24
11 97.4%Lithuanian+2.6%Tabassaran@4.25
12 89.2%Lithuanian+10.8%Ukrainian_Lviv@4.27
13 97.8%Lithuanian+2.2%MA-1@4.28
14 93.1%Lithuanian+6.9%Finnish@4.29
15 97.8%Lithuanian+2.2%Lezgin@4.29
16 94.7%Lithuanian+5.3%Moldavian@4.32
17 98.3%Lithuanian+1.7%Shors@4.32
18 91.5%Lithuanian+8.5%South_Polish@4.34
19 84.6%Lithuanian+15.4%Estonian_Polish@4.35
20 98.3%Lithuanian+1.7%Chechen@4.35

3. Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic36.69
2Eastern_Euro22.63
3North_Sea21.37
4Atlantic11.66
5West_Med4.68
6South_Asian1.28
7Sub-Saharan1.09
8West_Asian0.6

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Lithuanian4.68
2Belorussian7.51
3Estonian_Polish7.86
4Southwest_Russian8.74
5Estonian9.23
6Ukrainian_Belgorod9.35
7Russian_Smolensk9.69
8Polish10.31
9Ukrainian10.45
10Ukrainian_Lviv11.34
11South_Polish11.51
12Erzya12.41
13Kargopol_Russian12.42
14East_Finnish16.07
15Finnish17.01
16Croatian17.43
17Moldavian18.85
18Southwest_Finnish18.86
19La_Brana-119.68
20Hungarian19.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 89.7%Lithuanian+10.3%Erzya@4.48
2 99.1%Lithuanian+0.9%Yoruban@4.54
3 99.1%Lithuanian+0.9%Mandenka@4.55
4 99.1%Lithuanian+0.9%Bantu_S.W.@4.55
5 99.1%Lithuanian+0.9%Bantu_S.E.@4.55
6 99%Lithuanian+1%Biaka_Pygmy@4.56
7 99%Lithuanian+1%Luhya@4.57
8 99%Lithuanian+1%Bantu_N.E.@4.57
9 99%Lithuanian+1%Mbuti_Pygmy@4.58
10 99.1%Lithuanian+0.9%San@4.6
11 97.5%Lithuanian+2.5%Chuvash@4.61
12 92.2%Lithuanian+7.8%Ukrainian@4.61
13 98%Lithuanian+2%Mari@4.61
14 98.6%Lithuanian+1.4%MA-1@4.62
15 99.2%Lithuanian+0.8%Sudanese@4.62
16 99.3%Lithuanian+0.7%Ethiopian_Anuak@4.64
17 95.4%Lithuanian+4.6%Kargopol_Russian@4.64
18 99.4%Lithuanian+0.6%Sandawe@4.65
19 95.6%Lithuanian+4.4%Ukrainian_Lviv@4.65
20 99.4%Lithuanian+0.6%Kol@4.66
Dark Blue - Vistytis, Suwałki, Augustów, Kolno, Łomża, Myszyniec
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic30.4
2North_Sea22.5
3Eastern_Euro18.79
4Atlantic15.92
5West_Med5.11
6West_Asian3.76
7South_Asian2.53
8Red_Sea0.89
9Oceanian0.07
10Amerindian0.02

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Polish4.14
2South_Polish4.68
3Ukrainian4.96
4Belorussian5.02
5Russian_Smolensk5.16
6Ukrainian_Lviv5.42
7Estonian_Polish5.58
8Southwest_Russian5.92
9Ukrainian_Belgorod6.24
10Estonian6.34
11Lithuanian6.93
12Kargopol_Russian10.75
13Croatian11.25
14Finnish11.84
15East_Finnish12.41
16Southwest_Finnish12.7
17Erzya12.99
18Hungarian13.03
19Moldavian13.35
20East_German14.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 69%Lithuanian+31%East_German@2.72
2 62.7%South_Polish+37.3%Lithuanian@2.75
3 58%Ukrainian_Lviv+42%Lithuanian@2.96
4 79.2%Lithuanian+20.8%West_German@3
5 61.3%Ukrainian+38.7%Lithuanian@3.02
6 53.1%Belorussian+46.9%Ukrainian_Lviv@3.18
7 81.2%Lithuanian+18.8%French@3.21
8 67.3%Lithuanian+32.7%Hungarian@3.21
9 79.1%Lithuanian+20.9%South_Dutch@3.22
10 50.5%Ukrainian+49.5%Belorussian@3.29
11 71.4%Polish+28.6%Lithuanian@3.36
12 51.2%Ukrainian_Lviv+48.8%Estonian_Polish@3.39
13 81.2%Lithuanian+18.8%Southwest_English@3.41
14 62.6%South_Polish+37.4%Estonian@3.43
15 53.6%South_Polish+46.4%Belorussian@3.49
16 56.2%Ukrainian_Lviv+43.8%Estonian@3.59
17 78.2%Lithuanian+21.8%North_German@3.59
18 55.6%Ukrainian+44.4%Estonian_Polish@3.62
19 82.6%Lithuanian+17.4%Orcadian@3.66
20 81.5%Lithuanian+18.5%Southeast_English@3.68
Black - Sokółka (Grzebienie), Shchuchyn (Kamianka)
Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1Baltic30.99
2Atlantic21.5
3Eastern_Euro20.37
4North_Sea16.94
5West_Med4.1
6Siberian2.13
7West_Asian1.98
8Sub-Saharan0.77
9Red_Sea0.54
10Northeast_African0.44
11Oceanian0.23

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Estonian_Polish4.6
2Russian_Smolensk4.69
3Belorussian4.97
4Polish6.31
5Southwest_Russian6.9
6Ukrainian_Belgorod7.69
7Lithuanian7.93
8South_Polish8.35
9Estonian9.58
10Ukrainian9.84
11Ukrainian_Lviv10.51
12Kargopol_Russian10.63
13Croatian12.88
14Erzya13.21
15East_Finnish13.5
16Finnish14.37
17Southwest_Finnish14.38
18La_Brana-115.4
19Austrian15.7
20Moldavian16.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 93.9%Estonian_Polish+6.1%French_Basque@3.83
2 92.8%Belorussian+7.2%French_Basque@3.94
3 94.1%Estonian_Polish+5.9%Southwest_French@4.15
4 94.7%Estonian_Polish+5.3%Spanish_Aragon@4.17
5 94.9%Estonian_Polish+5.1%Spanish_Castilla_La_Manch a@4.22
6 94.8%Estonian_Polish+5.2%Spanish_Valencia@4.22
7 98.1%Estonian_Polish+1.9%Evenki@4.23
8 98.1%Estonian_Polish+1.9%Evens@4.23
9 95%Estonian_Polish+5%Spanish_Andalucia@4.24
10 98%Estonian_Polish+2%Yakut@4.24
11 98%Estonian_Polish+2%Dolgan@4.25
12 95%Estonian_Polish+5%Spanish_Cantabria@4.25
13 95%Estonian_Polish+5%Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon@4.28
14 98.1%Estonian_Polish+1.9%Oroqen@4.29
15 95.4%Estonian_Polish+4.6%Spanish_Murcia@4.31
16 95.2%Estonian_Polish+4.8%Spanish_Cataluna@4.32
17 98%Estonian_Polish+2%Buryat@4.33
18 98.1%Estonian_Polish+1.9%Koryak@4.33
19 92.8%Belorussian+7.2%Southwest_French@4.34
20 85.5%Lithuanian+14.5%French_Basque@4.35They all seem to be closer to East Slavs than to East Germans as well as other West Slavs, even those that score South Polish as their top match.

Do you know which region the generic 'Polish' reference sample is based off of?

[Cumansky]

:icon_lol: I didn't see the photos but you posted dna report from dna tribes and you score 4% Jewish, is this true?

I am 1/8 Jewish, they given me 6.1% North African and Middle Eastern, it was mostly Sephardic and some Ashkenazi

Jews are usually less than half MENA, I make some thread later classify my Jewish ancestor

[kleenex]

Greek Islands. Aren't they part of a single cluster together with Southern Italy and Malta?

Are West Aegeans too genetically different?
I really haven't seen many Ionian Greek samples. However I would cluster Cyclades with Central Greece and thus the Greek mainland (slight difference between this group and other Aegean Islanders). I would place Crete, north Aegean, Dodacanese in one grouping with Sicily and Malta. Overall your groupings for SE Europe are pretty spot on.

[Peterski]

They all seem to be closer to East Slavs than to East Germans as well as other West Slavs

You should rather look at Mixed Mode not Single Population Sharing, and also note that distances are large.

For example green one (Kociewie) has Ukraine_Lviv 1st in Single Sharing, but distance is 6.87 - very distant.

Also distance to East Germans is similar as to Poles and Finns (Polish 9.34, East_German 9.92, Finnish 9.76).

I guess I should post their 4-Ancestors Oracles or nMonte results as well.

[Lemgrant]

I am 1/8 Jewish, they given me 6.1% North African and Middle Eastern, it was mostly Sephardic and some Ashkenazi

Jews are usually less than half MENA, I make some thread later classify my Jewish ancestor

with which company you did the dna test and downloaded your raw data file?

[Peterski]

Green - Starogard (Kociewie region)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.38
2 Baltic 25.8
3 Atlantic 14.69
4 Eastern_Euro 13.86
5 West_Med 8.02
6 West_Asian 5.44
7 Siberian 1.25
8 Northeast_African 1.11
9 Amerindian 0.97
10 South_Asian 0.25
11 East_Med 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.87
2 Ukrainian 7.31
3 South_Polish 7.74
4 Hungarian 9.12
5 Polish 9.34
6 Finnish 9.76
7 East_German 9.92
8 Estonian 10.23
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.37
10 Croatian 11.04
11 Moldavian 12.07
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.19
13 Southwest_Russian 12.66
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.8
15 Belorussian 12.84
16 East_Finnish 13.26
17 Estonian_Polish 13.37
18 Austrian 13.45
19 North_Swedish 13.66
20 Lithuanian 14.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.2% Swedish @ 4.09
2 77.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.14
3 75.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.7% Norwegian @ 4.28
4 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Swedish @ 4.47
5 76.7% Ukrainian + 23.3% West_Norwegian @ 4.62
6 71.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.3% North_Swedish @ 4.64
7 78.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.9% North_Dutch @ 4.72
8 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Norwegian @ 4.74
9 81.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.5% Orcadian @ 4.76
10 76.9% Ukrainian + 23.1% North_Dutch @ 5.02
11 79.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.6% Danish @ 5.03
12 81.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.4% West_Scottish @ 5.05
13 81.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.7% Irish @ 5.08
14 80.6% Ukrainian + 19.4% Orcadian @ 5.09
15 81.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.5% Southwest_English @ 5.17
16 71.1% Ukrainian + 28.9% North_Swedish @ 5.22
17 81.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 18.1% Southeast_English @ 5.24
18 78.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 21.9% North_German @ 5.27
19 79.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 20.7% West_German @ 5.33
20 80.2% Ukrainian + 19.8% Irish @ 5.38

Despite scoring Ukrainian_Lviv 1st (but with large distance), she plots rather quite western here:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Abscisse (x-axis): 409 pixel
Ordonnée (y-axis): 130 pixel

Also 28.38 is high North_Sea for West Slavs (for example most of Czechs score lower than that).

[Cumansky]

with which company you did the dna test and downloaded your raw data file?

AncestryDNA back in 2015

[Lemgrant]

AncestryDNA back in 2015

can you post your (updated) AncestryDNA report here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?266966-Post-your-updated-Ancestrydna-results/page10 ?

[Mingle]

Despite scoring Ukrainian_Lviv 1st (but with large distance), she plots rather quite western here:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Abscisse (x-axis): 409 pixel
Ordonnée (y-axis): 130 pixel

Also 28.38 is high North_Sea for West Slavs (for example most of Czechs score lower than that).

Why does she get Ukrainian Lviv as her top match but is easily closer to Czechs on the PCA?

PCAs are said to have a projection bias, so GEDmatch is probably more reliable here.

[Not a Cop]

Even Russian with recent German and Polish ancestry such as Not a Cop plots far away from Lukasz (who is mixed Central-Eastern Pole) on 2019 Apricity PCA:#


I plot so far from him because of Finnish imput from my Northern side, my grandparents from non-northern parts of Russia are much closer to Lukasz.

https://i.imgur.com/xcvTsHH.png

[Lucas]

I plot so far from him because of Finnish imput from my Northern side, my grandparents from non-northern parts of Russia are much closer to Lukasz.


But on this PCA author doesn't allow family members to add...

[Cumansky]

can you post your (updated) AncestryDNA report here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?266966-Post-your-updated-Ancestrydna-results/page10 ?

Before 100% Europe East

After 72% Eastern Europe and Russia 28% Baltic States

[Cumansky]

.....

[Pribislav]

I think these categories are true at all. My categories:

Celto-Germanic: England, Ireland, Scotland, partly Iceland, North France, Netherland, Belgium, North West Germany

Nordic: Finland, partly Baltic states, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, North Germany, partly Netherland, Iceland

Ibero-Celtic: Spain, Portugal, South France

East European: Russia, partly baltic states, Belorussia, Ukraine, partly Poland and Moldova

Central European: South Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, North Croatia, West Romania, Poland

Italo-celtic: Italy

Balkanites: Serbia, partly Romania, Bulgaria, Bosnia, Albania, Greece, Montenegro

Thats all ;)

Serbs don't cluster with Albanians and Greeks.

Compare Serbia and Albania
https://s31.postimg.cc/4w9ua17y3/image.png

[Pribislav]

Serbs don't cluster with Albanians and Greeks.

Compare Serbia and Albania
https://s31.postimg.cc/4w9ua17y3/image.png

K13 Serbian average (with some Montenegrins in samples)
http://macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/EUROGENES_%D0%9A13.jpg

Even with some Montenegrins (more paleo-Balkanic influenced than rest of Serbs, and pred. declared non-Serbs today) in average Serbs have to much northern dna (Baltic & North Atlantic) to be in same category with Albanians and Greeks. In reality Serbs have more Baltic + North Atlantic than 54% on average.

[Lucas]

K13 Serbian average (with some Montenegrins in samples)
http://macure.net/Content/Images/Genetika/EUROGENES_%D0%9A13.jpg

Even with some Montenegrins (more paleo-Balkanic influenced than rest of Serbs, and pred. declared non-Serbs today) in average Serbs have to much northern dna (Baltic & North Atlantic) to be in same category with Albanians and Greeks. In reality Serbs have more Baltic + Nprth Atlantic than 54% on average.
Espiecially Greeks should be divided to mainland still with large distance from Serbs and Greek from islands which cluster with Sicilians

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Interesting how Pribislav is fast to dismiss Montenegrins from Serbs due to their southern plotting but doesn't hesitate to declare Bosniaks and majority of Croats as Serbian due to their more northern plotting. :D

[pelikarski]

Interesting how Pribislav is fast to dismiss Montenegrins from Serbs due to their southern plotting but doesn't hesitate to declare Bosniaks and majority of Croats as Serbian due to their more northern plotting. :D

He also doesn't like Eastern Serbia due to higher Vlach influence.
Bulgaria can annex the region though

[Pribislav]

Interesting how Pribislav is fast to dismiss Montenegrins from Serbs due to their southern plotting but doesn't hesitate to declare Bosniaks and majority of Croats as Serbian due to their more northern plotting. :D

I don't want anything from Croatians and Bosniaks. They are not Serbs because they don't recognized themselves as Serbs, further origin is irelevants in this case (I alway talking about further origin, not of present day Croatian/Bosniak conscience).
If Montenegrins have own coutry, language and nation (their language/nation are fake but still they claim) then I don't see any reason for their genetic association with Serbs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't want anything from Croatians and Bosniaks. They are not Serbs because they don't recognized themselves as Serbs, further origin is irelevants here (I alway talking about further origin, not of present day Croatian/Bosniak conscience).
If Montenegrins have own coutry, language and nation (their language/nation are fake but still they claim) then I don't see any reason for their genetic association with Serbs.

They're clearly mixed with Albos compared to rest of Serbs. Half of Montenegrins declares as Serb though.

[Pribislav]

They're clearly mixed with Albos compared to rest of Serbs. Half of Montenegrins declares as Serb though.

On the last census in 2011 there was 28,7% declared Serbs in Montenegro, and 42% declared Serbian speakers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Montenegro

[Peterski]

This is my chart showing geographical distribution of ethnic Polish population (excluding Diasporas) 100 years ago (it is calculated from data by county):

https://i.imgur.com/c98KjUY.png

If we go by Empires, it was as follows:

21% lived under German rule
21% lived under Austrian rule
58% lived under Russian rule

If we go by modern state borders:

81% lived within modern Polish borders*
19% lived in former Eastern Polish Kresy**

*I added here small number in Czech Silesia.
**I added here small number in Slovakia and Hungary.

Ruhr Polen and Polish Diaspora in Germany in general was not included in this data. Neither were Polish-Americans and other Polish Diasporas that existed in 1900.

[Pribislav]

He also doesn't like Eastern Serbia due to higher Vlach influence.
Bulgaria can annex the region though

Vast majority of Vlachs from eastern Serbia belong to Serbian Ortodox Church, they recognized themselves as Serbs by nation and only regionaly as Vlachs, they speak Serbian better than Vlach/Romanian...
On the other hand half of Montenegrins are declared non-Serbs, many of them hate Serbs very much, they claim own fake language, they claim own criminal Montenegrin Orthodox Church, they got own criminal state due to fake referendum...
There is more sense that Vlachs from eastern Serbia are part of Serbian nation than Montenegrins as whole.

[Ayetooey]

They're clearly mixed with Albos compared to rest of Serbs. Half of Montenegrins declares as Serb though.

Modern day Montenegrins are different to the medieval ones, most Serbs can trace origin back to medieval Montenegro in some shape or form. A lot of shit happened since then.

[Pribislav]

Modern day Montenegrins are different to the medieval ones, most Serbs can trace origin back to medieval Montenegro in some shape or form. A lot of shit happened since then.

In middle age there was more I2a and R1a in Montenegro than today without doubt. In Ottoman time part of Serbs migrated from Montenegro to west and north, and some Albanians settled on their place.
Montenegro around Skadar lake together with present day northern Albania around Shkoder was one of the centers of early Serbian state. Skadar (Shkoder) was capital of Serbia in one period in the middle age, our ruler Jovan Vladimir was born near Skadar/Shkoder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimir
Albanians stole body of Jovan Vladimir, and currently is in Elbasan in central Albania. Same as Bulgarians stole body of our king Milutin in WW1, and currently is in Sofia.

[Dick]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimir
Albanians stole body of Jovan Vladimir, and currently is in Elbasan in central Albania. Same as Bulgarians stole body of our king Milutin in WW1, and currently is in Sofia.

Why would they do that?

[Ayetooey]

In middle age there was more I2a and R1a in Montenegro than today without doubt. In Ottoman time part of Serbs migrated from Montenegro to west and north, and some Albanians settled on their place.
Montenegro around Skadar lake together with present day northern Albania around Shkoder was one of the centers of early Serbian state. Skadar (Shkoder) was capital of Serbia in one period in the middle age, our ruler Jovan Vladimir was born near Skadar/Shkoder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jovan_Vladimir
Albanians stole body of Jovan Vladimir, and currently is in Elbasan in central Albania. Same as Bulgarians stole body of our king Milutin in WW1, and currently is in Sofia.

Yes, a good example is old Kuci clan, originally Slavic and R1a mostly. Newer Kuci from 16th century onwards were settlers and are Albanian or of Slavicised Albanian origin.

[Pribislav]

Why would they do that?

Hostile barbaric acts.
Our church must reguire bodies of Jovan Vladimir and king Milutin. I don't know what they waiting all this time...

Body of Serbian king Milutin in Sofia, Bulgarians appropriated him as own saint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Milutin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PveQyh437j8

[Pribislav]

Yes, a good example is old Kuci clan, originally Slavic and R1a mostly. Newer Kuci from 16th century onwards were settlers and are Albanian or of Slavicised Albanian origin.

Old Kuči are R1a, new Kuči are E-V13. New Kuči are more numerous.
Name Kuči is Albanian and cames from new Kuči.

[Dick]

Hostile barbaric acts.
Our church must reguire bodies of Jovan Vladimir and king Milutin. I don't know what they waiting all this time...

Body of Serbian king Milutin in Sofia, Bulgarians appropriated him as own saint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Milutin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PveQyh437j8
When I was there years ago we went to see the body of king Lazar. Not sure if it was actually his body but if it was he was a very tall man. The body had no head though because he was beheaded by Turks

[Jackson78]

Old Kuči are R1a, new Kuči are E-V13. New Kuči are more numerous.
Name Kuči is Albanian and cames from new Kuči.

Actually, no, old Kuči (Mrnjavčići) and new Kuči (Drekalovići) belong to same haplogroup and cluster.

[Dunai]

Was thinking of including more than just Europe, but there isn't as much easily available info regarding regions outside Europe and this is a European forum anyways, so this thread is just gonna stay simple and be about genetic clusters in the context of Europeans. Let me know what you think of these anyways.

Northwest European
• British Isles
• Scandinavia
• Northwest Germany
• Benelux
• Northern France

Celto-Germanic
• Eastern & Central France
• West-Central Germany
• Southern Germany
• Switzerland
• Tyrol & Vorarlberg

Iberian
• Spain
• Portugal
• Andorra

Vasconic
• Basque Country
• Navarre
• Gascony

Sardinian
• Sardinia

Italo-Gallic
• Southern France
• North Italy

Danubian
• Slovenia
• Northwest Croatia
• Hungary
• Eastern & Central Austria
• Northern Romania
• Moldova

Slavo-Germanic
• Northeast Germany
• Czechia
• Slovakia

Central-East European
• Poland
• Ukraine
• Belarus
• Western Russia

Baltic
• Latvia
• Lithuania
• Northeast Poland

Northeast European
• Finland
• Estonia
• North Russia

West Dinaric
• Southern Croatia
• Bosnia & Herzegovina
• Western & Northern Serbia
• Prechani Serbs
• Slavonia

East Dinaric
• Montenegro
• Southern & Eastern Serbia
• Central Romania

Eastern Balkan
• Wallachia
• Bulgaria
• Vardar Macedonia
• Balkan Turks

Adriatic-Ionian
• Kosovo
• Albania
• Mainland Greece
• Ionian Islands
• Cyclades
• Central Italy
• Central-South Italy

Aegean-Ionian
• North Aegean
• Crete
• Dodecanese
• South Italy
• Malta

Romanians and Moldovans definitely don't cluster mainly as Danubian, but Pontid and East Balkan. Also Southern Ukrainians are mainly Pontid and overlap with Moldovans. Slovaks, Czechs, Southern Poles and Western Ukrainians should also belong under Danubian.

[pelikarski]

Why would they do that?

The body was moved to Sofia from Banska monastery around 1460.
During the battle of Kosovo the body was moved to Trepca and later to Sofia by metropolite Silvan,

[Kelmendasi]

Actually, no, old Kuči (Mrnjavčići) and new Kuči (Drekalovići) belong to same haplogroup and cluster.
I guess they are talking about the Pre-Kuqi inhabitants of the area, the R1a-YP417 Klikovci. Though there seems to be other pre-Kuqi inhabitants from the region, such as the E-Z19851 carriers that today identify with the Drekalovici

[Pribislav]

When I was there years ago we went to see the body of king Lazar. Not sure if it was actually his body but if it was he was a very tall man. The body had no head though because he was beheaded by Turks

When I was in Studenica I wanted too se body of Stefan Nemanja. But his body can be seen only in special days, and that day was not one of them.

For many Serbian medieval rulers there are legends that they were 2 m tall.

[Ayetooey]

I guess they are talking about the Pre-Kuqi inhabitants of the area, the R1a-YP417 Klikovci. Though there seems to be other pre-Kuqi inhabitants from the region, such as the E-Z19851 carriers that today identify with the Drekalovici

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.

[Kelmendasi]

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.
They can be referred to as old Kuqi as they inhabited the area of Kuq first, though technically the old Kuqi are the Mrnjavcic who migrated from the Shkodra area. They are technically the old Kuqi as they were the first who seem to have formed the clan and brought the name. Mitrovdan is one of the main Slavas celebrated by Kuqi, it is celebrated by the Mrnjavcici(Including groups absorbed into the brotherhood). Drekalovici celebrates Nikoljdan. The R1a-YP417 carriers from Kuqi seem to celebrate Durdic as their Slava though, but this might only be among some the the YP417 carriers, as the group is now part of the Mrnjavcici who celebrate Mitrovdan.

[Jackson78]

I talk of the Old Kuči (Stari kuči/Стари кучи, Starokuči/Старокучи), with Mitrovdan as Slava. I have read of members being tested as R1a. I am no expert, just something I read so I may be mistaken.

Nope, Old Kuči with Mitrovdan are called Mrnjavčići and they are E-V13.

[Jackson78]

They can be referred to as old Kuqi as they inhabited the area of Kuq first, though technically the old Kuqi are the Mrnjavcic who migrated from the Shkodra area. They are technically the old Kuqi as they were the first who seem to have formed the clan and brought the name. Mitrovdan is one of the main Slavas celebrated by Kuqi, it is celebrated by the Mrnjavcici(Including groups absorbed into the brotherhood). Drekalovici celebrates Nikoljdan. The R1a-YP417 carriers from Kuqi seem to celebrate Durdic as their Slava though, but this might only be among some the the YP417 carriers, as the group is now part of the Mrnjavcici who celebrate Mitrovdan.

Sekulići from Berane (they are tested as E-V13, but not related to Mrnjavčići and Drekalovići) are also probably pre-Kuqi inhabitants.

[Kelmendasi]

Sekulići from Berane (they are tested as E-V13, but not related to Mrnjavčići and Drekalovići) are also probably pre-Kuqi inhabitants.
What clade of E-V13 are they? Also what do oral traditions say about their origin? They seem to celebrate Nikoljdan and so identify with Drekalovici but I am not sure of their actual origins or clade.

[Jackson78]

What clade of E-V13 are they? Also what do oral traditions say about their origin? They seem to celebrate Nikoljdan and so identify with Drekalovici but I am not sure of their actual origins or clade.

Maybe L241. According to their oral tradition, they are from Kuqi.

[Tschaikisten]

Maybe L241.

Z1057.

[Kelmendasi]

Z1057.
E-Z1057 basal or has he not tested SNPs?

[Tschaikisten]

E-Z1057 basal or has he not tested SNPs?

Predicted as Z1057.

[Kelmendasi]

Predicted as Z1057.
Ah, in that case they should test their SNPs. Z1057 is very broad and is even ancestral to CTS5856 so I doubt that they belong to Z1057*

[Mingle]

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This user (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6722-Romanian-23andme&p=147520&viewfull=1#post147520) from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

[Blondie]

This user (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6722-Romanian-23andme&p=147520&viewfull=1#post147520) from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

Romania is a complicated country. Transylvania is very central european, Moldova is very close to Ukraine, East Europe and Wallachia is full balkanite.

[Carpatz]

This user (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6722-Romanian-23andme&p=147520&viewfull=1#post147520) from Northwest Romania gets Hungarians, Slovenes, and Czechs as his closest populations. Maybe it's just a bad calculator or he's an outlier, I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case is, I haven't seen many GEDmatch results from that region. So based off that, it seems like they're pretty close.

By the way, this is only for North Romanians and Moldovans. South Romanians and Central Romanians are in a different cluster.

If you guys are sure about this, then I'll PM the mods and ask them to edit the OP. I just thought I'd wait for more opinions but nobody seems to have commented on that.

Dorkymon is from the northeast if I recall correctly. Note that the mdlp Romanian reference is terrible. I checked the spreadsheet, and they have 6% South Indian for Romania, so they clearly used some gypsy samples.

Here's what I got on the same calc:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.41
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.36
3 Slovenian ( ) 6.39
4 Serb_BH ( ) 6.66
5 Croat ( ) 6.7
6 Hungarian ( ) 6.74
7 Bosnian ( ) 6.77
8 Czech ( ) 7.01
9 Montenegrian ( ) 7.38
10 Croat_BH ( ) 7.39
11 Slovak ( ) 7.73
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.72
13 Bulgarian ( ) 9.4
14 Austrian ( ) 9.44
15 Macedonian ( ) 9.45
16 Kashub ( ) 9.65
17 Sorb ( ) 10.49
18 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.38
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.88
20 German ( ) 11.91

[Mingle]

Dorkymon is from the northeast if I recall correctly. Note that the mdlp Romanian reference is terrible. I checked the spreadsheet, and they have 6% South Indian for Romania, so they clearly used some gypsy samples.

Here's what I got on the same calc:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.41
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.36
3 Slovenian ( ) 6.39
4 Serb_BH ( ) 6.66
5 Croat ( ) 6.7
6 Hungarian ( ) 6.74
7 Bosnian ( ) 6.77
8 Czech ( ) 7.01
9 Montenegrian ( ) 7.38
10 Croat_BH ( ) 7.39
11 Slovak ( ) 7.73
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.72
13 Bulgarian ( ) 9.4
14 Austrian ( ) 9.44
15 Macedonian ( ) 9.45
16 Kashub ( ) 9.65
17 Sorb ( ) 10.49
18 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.38
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.88
20 German ( ) 11.91

Do you think you can you post your Eurogenes K13, Eurogenes K15, and Dodecad K12b?

It's possible that MDLP K23b just isn't a good calc for Europeans. Also, I've never seen a NW Romanian's results before so this'll be interesting.

[Sikeliot]

I really haven't seen many Ionian Greek samples. However I would cluster Cyclades with Central Greece and thus the Greek mainland (slight difference between this group and other Aegean Islanders). I would place Crete, north Aegean, Dodacanese in one grouping with Sicily and Malta. Overall your groupings for SE Europe are pretty spot on.

North Aegean, Cyclades both on average plot close to Maniots.

Ikaria, in the North Aegean island group is an exception as they tend to be the closest of all islands to Sicily's calculator average (which doesn't represent all Sicilians but is a good way of knowing Ikaria isn't mainland shifted).

[Lucas]

Dorkymon is from the northeast if I recall correctly. Note that the mdlp Romanian reference is terrible. I checked the spreadsheet, and they have 6% South Indian for Romania, so they clearly used some gypsy samples.

Here's what I got on the same calc:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 5.41
2 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.36
3 Slovenian ( ) 6.39
4 Serb_BH ( ) 6.66
5 Croat ( ) 6.7
6 Hungarian ( ) 6.74
7 Bosnian ( ) 6.77
8 Czech ( ) 7.01
9 Montenegrian ( ) 7.38
10 Croat_BH ( ) 7.39
11 Slovak ( ) 7.73
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 8.72
13 Bulgarian ( ) 9.4
14 Austrian ( ) 9.44
15 Macedonian ( ) 9.45
16 Kashub ( ) 9.65
17 Sorb ( ) 10.49
18 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 11.38
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.88
20 German ( ) 11.91

Yes, I checked months ago (according to Dorkymon suggestion) Romanian samples from Behar which were used in MDLP (and other calcs). Two were clear Romanian Gypsies. Every calculator author didn't notice it and use them in Romanian averages always. Even Davidski did it initially in G25. This is why there are skewed often.

[Peterski]

Germans from Silesia are like a mix of ca. 35% Germans from East Germany + ca. 65% Poles:

Silesia_German

Polish_Wielkopolska,47
German_Saxony,35
Polish_Malopolska,18

And closest single populations (in this case they are closest to Polish-speaking Upper Silesians):

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Polish_Upper-Silesia
Polish_Wielkopolska
Polish_Malopolska
German_Saxony
Polish_Lubelskie
(...)

With other models (e.g. using only Eastern Poles) I get mixes closer to 50/50 of Saxony/Poles.