Classify Ukrainian girl

[Aspirin]

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[Crimean]

Pontid-Med range.
Good looking one:thumb001:.

[nittionia]

agree with pontid med

[Aspirin]

Pontid-Med range.
Good looking one:thumb001:.

I think she is one of the best examples of Pontid, Med with a Slavo-Baltic touch, how a real Pontid need to look.

[ixulescu]

confused Romanian :D

[itilvolga]

Pontid

[Crimean]

I think she is one of the best examples of Pontid, Med with a Slavo-Baltic touch, how a real Pontid need to look.
That "Slavo-Baltic touch" is that same highlight that makes Pontid attractive. Заморские понтиды это уже совсем не тот компот:).

[KOZAK]

Pontid.

But she does not have natural hair? If it's dyed hair, then it is Pontid + baltid.

I mean the true ponid with black hair and dark brown eyes

[KOZAK]

Pontid.

But she does not have natural hair? If it's dyed hair, then it is Pontid + baltid.

I mean the true pontide with black hair and dark brown eyes

[Cumansky]

Pontid but not like Turkey something intermediate with minor Dinarid

[Aspirin]

Pontid.

But she does not have natural hair? If it's dyed hair, then it is Pontid + baltid.

I mean the true ponid with black hair and dark brown eyes

This is her natural hair color, and she have brown light eyes. She is from Krivoy Rog.

[Cumansky]

My female cousins from maternal side (Ukrainian) have similar appearance

My sister very similar but less Pontid not black hair only brown but she bleach gold color looks different

[Kivan]

Alpine-Med.

[KOZAK]

..

[PT Tagus]

Pontid

Beautiful girl.

[Aspirin]

sorry. but how i delete post ?

Хочешь удалить пост который повторился? Если да, то просто редактируй его, удалить его невозможно.

[Mr.G]

Pontid

[KOZAK]

https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432982/8cfb7/gAGaU5FpWag.jpg

She don't have natural hair. Look the melir on hair on the left shoulder.

In Ukraine so many girl haver painted hair.

I have not seen natural black hair in Ukrainian women for my life.

Everything is painted. You have a lot of clean pontid in Moldova and Romania than in Ukraine

[KOZAK]

ага

[Aspirin]

https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432982/8cfb7/gAGaU5FpWag.jpg

She don't have natural hair. Look the malier on hair on the left shoulder.

In Ukraine so many girl haver painted hair.

I have not seen natural black hair in Ukrainian women for my life.

Everything is painted. You have a lot of clean pontid in Moldova and Romania than in Ukraine

She don't have properly black hair, but dark brown.

https://pp.userapi.com/q5LQgZ3VaxiVQ__irQm7fXnXsEhPiUXdxDKTRA/s9eC03ClhOk.jpg

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[Sacrificed Ram]

Eastmed/Pontid with a slight armenoid tendence, and don't try discuss about armenoid tendencies with me because I'm part lebanese, I know well what is an armenoid tendence.

[Aspirin]

Eastmed/Pontid with a slight armenoid tendence, and don't try discuss about armenoid tendencies with me because I'm part lebanese, I know well what is an armenoid tendence.

If she have Armenoid influence, then I am Hallstatt Nordid.

[KOZAK]

Ты в вк нашел ей ?

[Aspirin]

Ты в вк нашел ей ?

Не, через гугл.

[Bogdan]

Pontid

[Sacrificed Ram]

If she have Armenoid influence, then I am Hallstatt Nordid.

Take me serious man, I said slight not in vain, slight because is almost imperceptible, I know well what is a pontid nose, they are not only too straight, but also extremely sharp. Her nose shows slight convexity.
https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432982/8cfa1/SjGhEgMa5ZQ.jpg

[Aspirin]

Take me serious man, I said slight not in vain, slight because is almost imperceptible, I know well what is a pontid nose, they are not only too straight, but also extremely sharp. Her nose shows slight convexity.
https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432982/8cfa1/SjGhEgMa5ZQ.jpg

She have very straight nose. And since when convex nose is equal with Armenoid? In Ukraine is related only with Dinaric influence, and this girl don't have anything Dinaric or even Armenoid in her look. Get lost with this pseudoscience.
https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432108/8915c/QpT4jcJaycQ.jpg

[Sacrificed Ram]

She have very straight nose. And since when convex nose is equal with Armenoid? In Ukraine is related only with Dinaric influence, and this girl don't have anything Dinaric or even Armenoid in her look. Get lost with this pseudoscience.
https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432108/8915c/QpT4jcJaycQ.jpg

You are right, nose convexity isn't an armanoid exclusivity, but these big eyes are never european, also her alveolar structure discard her as dinaric.

[Cumansky]

She not pure Armeniod not even close to the hook you need, but Dinarid it just another word for disguise Armeniod and Vlach tendecies so technicaly Lebanese dude is not wrong but not exactly correct either

I see Dinarid bone structure in her, but most people don't, then again not everyone studied Ukraine population genetic

[Sacrificed Ram]

Her forehead isn't pontid (too inclined), her hair line isn't pontid (too back)...

[ixulescu]

Her forehead isn't pontid (too inclined), her hair line isn't pontid (too back)...

Pontids can have jet black hair, she's not even in that range.
She's not Armenoid at all.

[FinalFlash]

Pontid. Looks delicious.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Communism was a party! Everybody mixed with everybody, maybe she has a gypsy or jew ancestor, despite I already saw finno-uralics with armenoid features, meaning armenoid component is a very ancient component in that area, many scythian remains had J1 and J2 y-haplogroup, imagine the source of it...

[Aspirin]

Communism was a party! Everybody mixed with everybody, maybe she has a gypsy or jew ancestor, despite I already saw finno-uralics with armenoid features, meaning armenoid component is a very ancient component in that area, many scythian remains had J1 and J2 y-haplogroup, imagine the source of it...

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Sylvester-Stallone-Facepalm.gif

[Crimean]

Communism was a party! Everybody mixed with everybody, maybe she has a gypsy or jew ancestor, despite I already saw finno-uralics with armenoid features, meaning armenoid component is a very ancient component in that area, many scythian remains had J1 and J2 y-haplogroup, imagine the source of it...
My grandmother told me that under Stalin all the newborn children were blue-eyed blond giants, looked at 16 years right away and immidiately asked to work at the plants and factories.

[decordoba]

Pontid

[Papastratosels26]

AlpineMed pass in Greece

[Aspirin]

pass in Greece

Where?

[Sacrificed Ram]

My grandmother told me that under Stalin all the newborn children were blue-eyed blond giants, looked at 16 years right away and immidiately asked to work at the plants and factories.

Eh, there are a multitude of russians and ukrainians in Israel just because they claim they have a jew grandfather or something like, It proves that mixtures REALLY occurred during communism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nedZujN8okc

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Med

[Blondie]

Her forehead isn't pontid (too inclined), her hair line isn't pontid (too back)...

She is north pontid not armenoid :D

By the way ancient scythian subrace:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

She is north pontid not armenoid :D

By the way ancient scythian subrace:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

nothing northern about her. North Pontid is fantasy phenotype anyway

[Sacrificed Ram]

She is north pontid not armenoid :D

By the way ancient scythian subrace:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Your link just proves "Proto-Nordid" has Armenoid like features as convex nose and deep mandible.

This guy answers you WHY she isn't a pure pontid exemplar:


North-Pontids are supposed to have a longer and broader forehead, and Nordid admixture as well. I don't see such features in her face.

It among other features that exclude her as pure pontid exemplar as whole, despite predominance of this phenotype. I'm not trying to say she isn't Pontid, but that she just has some other influences.

[Blondie]

North Pontid is fantasy phenotype anyway

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

[Blondie]

Your link just proves "Proto-Nordid" has Armenoid like features as convex nose and deep mandible.

This guy answers you WHY she isn't a pure pontid exemplar:



It among other features that exclude her as pure pontid exemplar as whole, despite predominance of this phenotype. I'm not trying to say she isn't Pontid, but that she just has some other influences.

Proto-nordid is not armenoid omg, the first one has cromagnoid features.

[Kaspias]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

He is right btw :D Noone mentioned North Pontid except an USSR scientist. But i think we need this "North Pontid" type, just Pontid is not enough most of time if person want to get detailed taxonomy. But most reliable one would be classification with meta-types like med+alpine or alpine+nordid etc.

[Blondie]

He is right btw :D Noone mentioned North Pontid except an USSR scientist. But i think we need this "North Pontid" type, just Pontid is not enough most of time if person want to get detailed taxonomy. But most reliable one would be classification with meta-types like med+alpine or alpine+nordid etc.

North pontid is a "nordish" med type in my opinion.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

North Pontid, CM, East Med, East Nordic....all invented types. She's simply med. There's no reason for separate ''Pontid'' type because it has no metrical difference to meds found in southwestern Europe. It look different in some details yeah, but that's irrelevant to typology.

Nordic, Med, Dinaric, East Baltic and Alpine are enough to divide European phenotypes. She's got dark pigmentation and gracile features = she's a med.
North Pontid used by USSR anthropologists was some brachy type not even Nordic-Med mix. Pay more attention to Columela's posts, dude is most eduacted member about such stuff on this board.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

North Pontic is used by Soviet anthro (Bunak) and it was used as the name of a grouping of Russian sub-types with mixed or intermediate pigmentation and Meso to Brachycefalic mean (Ryazan-Pensa,Central Eastern, Polesian and Lower Oka).
Between Meso and Leptoprospic on Internet it has become (for some reason?) an extremely leptoprospic type (extremely longfaced), and this is an Internet invention that has become popular especially on amateur pages.

West Baltid: I don’t know of any anthropologist who used it so it is likely an Internet invention.

[Mr.G]

https://pp.userapi.com/c851432/v851432982/8cfb7/gAGaU5FpWag.jpg

She don't have natural hair. Look the melir on hair on the left shoulder.

In Ukraine so many girl haver painted hair.

I have not seen natural black hair in Ukrainian women for my life.

Everything is painted. You have a lot of clean pontid in Moldova and Romania than in Ukraine

I would describe here hair color as brown/black or near black. Looks like it could be natural but I'm not sure.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Proto-nordid is not armenoid omg, the first one has cromagnoid features.

I didn't say "Proto-Nordid" was Armenoid, but "Proto-Nordid" has some features like Armenoid.

[Sacrificed Ram]

A good ukrainian Pontid exemplar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4qsmdeYUTU

[Blondie]

I didn't say "Proto-Nordid" was Armenoid, but "Proto-Nordid" has some features like Armenoid.

Absolutely not.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Absolutely not.

Girl, you will stop to discuss with me and start to explain how yamnaya has almost 43% of iran chalcolithic DNA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture#Near_East_population

[Blondie]

Modern iranians are not related to proto iranic peoples who were clearly white europid with nordish looking. Today iranians are full middle easternes.

Scythian face reconstructions:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/c2/77/4fc277dfab3c68f6f773f8831aaeee4f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/3c/b5/843cb5a2af073d5f06cea017b785c33d.jpg

Ancient iranic racetype was proto-nordid:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Funny but you can find this racial type almost only in ex iranic areas: Ukraine, central asia, among kurds in Middle East and Iran but very rare.

"Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans. "

Originally kurgans were iranic graves.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Modern iranians are not related to proto iranic peoples who were clearly white europid with nordish looking. Today iranians are full middle easternes.

Scythian face reconstructions:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4f/c2/77/4fc277dfab3c68f6f773f8831aaeee4f.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/84/3c/b5/843cb5a2af073d5f06cea017b785c33d.jpg

Ancient iranic racetype was proto-nordid:
http://humanphenotypes.net/ProtoNordid.html

Funny but you can find this racial type almost only in ex iranic areas: Ukraine, central asia, among kurds in Middle East and Iran but very rare.

"Keyser et al. (2009) confirmed a high frequencies of blonde hair and green eyes in early Kurgans. "

Originally kurgans were iranic graves.

You are right, but I'm not talking about Proto-Iranics, Andronovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture) had even mongolic influence, I'm talking about Proto-Indo-Europeans.

[Aspirin]

Nordic, Med, Dinaric, East Baltic and Alpine are enough to divide European phenotypes. She's got dark pigmentation and gracile features = she's a med.

Lol, she is not swarthy at all, and her facial features looks very slavic, I don't see proper Southern European features in her look.


I didn't say "Proto-Nordid" was Armenoid, but "Proto-Nordid" has some features like Armenoid.

Get lost with this bullshit about Armenoids. Convex nose is mostly related to mountain area, not to the fuckin steppe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnBESmq2eo

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lol, she is not swarthy at all, and her facial features looks very slavic, I don't see Southern European features in her look.



Get lost with this bullshit about Armenoids. Convex nose is mostly related to mountain area, not to the fuckin steppe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnBESmq2eo

You don't need to look southern European to be Med. Meds are common pretty much everywhere except in Baltic region where they are more rare.
Her pigmentation is normal for med basin, do you think people there look like Arabs ?

[Blondie]

You are right, but I'm not talking about Proto-Iranics, Andronovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture) had even mongolic influence, I'm talking about Proto-Indo-Europeans.

Proto-Indoeropeans were not armenoid... and the PIE homeland was in East Europe:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a0/c3/b5/a0c3b5ebce73e7e9a77db1922d8415dc.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Atlantid is another invented type. Most ''atlantids'' are simply meds with western european vibe or Nordic-Med mx.

[Aspirin]

Her pigmentation is normal for med basin, do you think people there look like Arabs ?

Well, some yes. :D And not just in the med basin, but even northern.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Well, some yes. :D And not just in the med basin, but even northern.

* Shots fired

:D

[Sacrificed Ram]

Get lost with this bullshit about Armenoids. Convex nose is mostly related to mountain area, not to the fuckin steppe.

Was it what I explained, Yamnaya were genetically 43% Iran Chalcolithic then from iranian highlands, despite convex nose isn't necessarily from mountains, like arabs from plain desert have it (but even arabs are also Iran Chalcolithic influenced).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Yamna-en.svg/800px-Yamna-en.svg.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture#Near_East_population

[Aspirin]

Was it what I explained, Yamnaya were genetically 43% Iran Chalcolithic then from iranian highlands, despite convex nose isn't necessarily from mountains, like arabs from plain desert have it (but even arabs are also Iran Chalcolithic influenced).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Yamna-en.svg/800px-Yamna-en.svg.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture#Near_East_population

Dinaric influence in Europe is strictly related to mountain areas, Armenoid too. This is the reason why for example Hungarians lack of Dinaric traits, than Romanians, Slovakians, Serbians, Croatians. Even between swarthy individuals is not very well seen, and this is because Hungary is mostly located in Pannonian steppe, only Hungarians from North-East have more visible Dinaric traits who give them a Balkanoid vibe in their features, because this part of Hungary cover a part of mountainous area of Carpathians. In Ukraine, most of Dinarics are located in Western Ukraine, in the Carpathian region. In Central Ukraine such traits are very poor, and people with Dinaric traits here have roots mostly from Carpathian region.

https://i.imgur.com/590tGwh.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c830109/v830109392/876db/TxJ3CSlTnvM.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yeah agree dinarics are clearly connected to various mountain ranges. Most Croats live in plains though. Croatia is in majority flat country. Dinarics are common though, but most of people with such features originate from mountanious parts and Bosnia.
http://maps.maphill.com/croatia/maps/physical-map/shaded-relief-outside/physical-map-of-croatia-shaded-relief-outside.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Bosnia is very mountainous in comparison and full of dinarics. Only flat area are northern plains that are extension of wider Panonnian plain
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/bosnia-and-herzegovina-country-3d-render-topographic-map-border-frank-ramspott.jpg

Serbia is much flatter/fertile than Bosnia, only truly mountainous part is western and that's why it has more meds and less true dinarics in comparison with Bosnia.
Lot of Serbs originate from Bosnia or Montenegro so dinaric is prominent due to that.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Serbien_topo.png

Montenegro, full of dinarics and almost fully mountanious country
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/montenegro-country-3d-render-topographic-map-border-frank-ramspott.jpg

Slovenia
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/b1/13/c6b113702b67698761436b207af1fe1a.gif
Slovenia has some very tall mountains in western and northern parts which are part of eastern Alps but also lot of valleys in eastern and southern regions. Noric is maybe most common phenotype there, mix of dinaric and nordic traits

[Dick]

She looks very slavic no matter what her pigmentation color is

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

She looks very slavic no matter what her pigmentation color is

she fit nicely as Serb bruv. Pan-Slavic look

[Pandur]

Pontid, Med, vague Baltoid.

[Pandur]

she fit nicely as Serb bruv. Pan-Slavic look

I'd fully welcome her my dude.

[Dick]

she fit nicely as Serb bruv. Pan-Slavic look

Lol she’s too pretty to be from Western Europe I’d guess she was Slav right away if I saw her here

[Mr.G]

Dinaric influence in Europe is strictly related to mountain areas, Armenoid too. This is the reason why for example Hungarians lack of Dinaric traits, than Romanians, Slovakians, Serbians, Croatians. Even between swarthy individuals is not very well seen, and this is because Hungary is mostly located in Pannonian steppe, only Hungarians from North-East have more visible Dinaric traits who give them a Balkanoid vibe in their features, because this part of Hungary cover a part of mountainous area of Carpathians. In Ukraine, most of Dinarics are located in Western Ukraine, in the Carpathian region. In Central Ukraine such traits are very poor, and people with Dinaric traits here have roots mostly from Carpathian region.

https://i.imgur.com/590tGwh.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c830109/v830109392/876db/TxJ3CSlTnvM.jpg

That's very interesting, good maps. Both of my Hungarian grandparents were obviously Dinarid influenced. One had roots in far SW Hungary. The other in far NE Hungary.

[Davy Jones's Locker]

Pontid-Med range.
Good looking one:thumb001:.

Agree.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Dinaric influence in Europe is strictly related to mountain areas, Armenoid too. This is the reason why for example Hungarians lack of Dinaric traits, than Romanians, Slovakians, Serbians, Croatians. Even between swarthy individuals is not very well seen, and this is because Hungary is mostly located in Pannonian steppe, only Hungarians from North-East have more visible Dinaric traits who give them a Balkanoid vibe in their features, because this part of Hungary cover a part of mountainous area of Carpathians. In Ukraine, most of Dinarics are located in Western Ukraine, in the Carpathian region. In Central Ukraine such traits are very poor, and people with Dinaric traits here have roots mostly from Carpathian region.

https://i.imgur.com/590tGwh.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c830109/v830109392/876db/TxJ3CSlTnvM.jpg

And Baskid and Keltic types? Dinaromorphism isn't restricted to mountain areas, it exists throughout all costal area of Europe due migratory waves from Middle East.
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/lundraces-map18.jpg

[Crimean]

Eh, there are a multitude of russians and ukrainians in Israel just because they claim they have a jew grandfather or something like, It proves that mixtures REALLY occurred during communism.
They may not even have a drop of Jewish blood, they just managed to "beat the system". People with such a mentality are in any nation, for them the homeland is the place where they are better fed.

[Sacrificed Ram]

They may not even have a drop of Jewish blood, they just managed to "beat the system". People with such a mentality are in any nation, for them the homeland is the place where they are better fed.

Then are you saying that jews with their famous intelligence services like Mossad and others would not investigate if they really have some jewish ancestry? What is the interest of jews in pure russians? Race breeding or cannon fodder?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lol she’s too pretty to be from Western Europe I’d guess she was Slav right away if I saw her here

not my type

[Crimean]

Then are you saying that jews with their famous intelligence services like Mossad and others would not investigate if they really have some jewish ancestry? What is the interest of jews in pure russians? Race breeding or cannon fodder?
This is absolutely not secret information that Jews are constantly forced to "whitewash" their gene pool in order to suppress the dominant Semitic (Jewish-Semitic to be exact) genes. If this is not done, after 2 generations, the young Jews will look like this, so the special services close their eyes:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1zmz8s1.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/1h6ve0.jpg