Who looks more alike: Turks and Pakistanis or Irish and Greeks?

[Myanthropologies]

Excluding Pashtuns, do Turks and Pakistanis look more alike, or do Greek and Irish people look more alike? Although Turks look nothing like Pakistanis, Greeks look quite far from the Irish on average, too.

[Tooting Carmen]

Greeks and Irish look at least a little more alike than do Turks and non-Pashtun Pakistanis. If the comparison were with Greeks and Scandinavians I'd say they'd be on par, but Irish people can on occasion look pseudo-Mediterranean themselves.

[tipirneni]

Pakistani is a different base stock from Turk. Where as Greek & Irish diverged from base stock with different mixes.

[kleenex]

No Greeks and Irish don't look that significantly different particularly if were talking mainland Greeks. Your idea of Greek phenotypes is based on Islanders or Pontic Greeks. My half Irish/German wife could pass as Greek.

[Tooting Carmen]

No Greeks and Irish don't look that significantly different particularly if were talking mainland Greeks. Your idea of Greek phenotypes is based on Islanders or Pontic Greeks. My half Irish/German wife could pass as Greek.

Even mainland Greeks are still among the darkest and most Mediterranean-looking Europeans as a group.

[Tooting Carmen]

Imo even the French are fairly easy to tell apart from any British Isles nationality as a group, let alone Greeks.

[Myanthropologies]

No Greeks and Irish don't look that significantly different particularly if were talking mainland Greeks. Your idea of Greek phenotypes is based on Islanders or Pontic Greeks. My half Irish/German wife could pass as Greek.

They look different enough that you can tell them apart on average.

[Rgvgjhvv]

No Greeks and Irish don't look that significantly different particularly if were talking mainland Greeks. Your idea of Greek phenotypes is based on Islanders or Pontic Greeks. My half Irish/German wife could pass as Greek.

Lol come on man, that's silly. Of course we look a lot different than the Irish. If that isn't the case for yourself personally, it is definitely an exception to the norm.

[kleenex]

Even mainland Greeks are still among the darkest and most Mediterranean-looking Europeans as a group.

Not sure about that. I'm no more "dark" than the Anglos (who were fairly swarthy) I grew up with in the South.

[Myanthropologies]

Not sure about that. I'm no more "dark" than the Anglos (who were fairly swarthy) I grew up with in the South.

It's not a matter of coloring though, but facial features. Greeks are not even dark at all.

[Cristiano viejo]

Turks and pakis. The doubts offends.

[kleenex]

It's not a matter of coloring though, but facial features. Greeks are not even dark at all.

Greeks in the US had to endure a lot of shit for a 100 years from the establishment so are sort of sensitive. In terms of facial features there are a lot of Atlanto Med Greeks and Atlantid type Irish (med types) so yes there is an anthropological connection.

[KingOf]

Greeks in the US had to endure a lot of shit for a 100 years from the establishment so are sort of sensitive. In terms of facial features there are a lot of Atlanto Med Greeks and Atlantid type Irish (med types) so yes there is an anthropological connection.

1 in 20 (5%) of Irish can pass as Mainland Greeks individually at best imo
and since deviding Greeks is so loved here i will make it 4% for Islands and 1% for Pontians
we don't look similar at all imo but still more similar than Turks/Pakistanis

[Myanthropologies]

Greeks in the US had to endure a lot of shit for a 100 years from the establishment so are sort of sensitive. In terms of facial features there are a lot of Atlanto Med Greeks and Atlantid type Irish (med types) so yes there is an anthropological connection.

I totally understand that, racism really sucks. But that doesnt mean there is anything wrong with Greeks and Irish looking different. They don't look racially different, they just look ethnically different, if that makes sense. There is obviously some overlap between Greeks and Irish as they are both white European populations, but they still have their own unique looks. Greeks and Irish probably look the same to all non-Europeans (besides West Asians) anyways.

[tipirneni]

Greek - Irish
Punjabi - Pathan

[Grace O'Malley]

Greeks and Irish look at least a little more alike than do Turks and non-Pashtun Pakistanis. If the comparison were with Greeks and Scandinavians I'd say they'd be on par, but Irish people can on occasion look pseudo-Mediterranean themselves.

I found this fst distance table for another thread and Irish and Greeks are actually very distant genetically. Swedes and Danes are actually closer to Greeks than the Irish are.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/13159664/79/images/15/FST+Genetic+Distance+between+19+European+Populatio ns+%28x+10%2C000%29.jpg

[Sikeliot]

I found this fst distance table for another thread and Irish and Greeks are actually very distant genetically. Swedes and Danes are actually closer to Greeks than the Irish are.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/13159664/79/images/15/FST+Genetic+Distance+between+19+European+Populatio ns+%28x+10%2C000%29.jpg



Dated 1994. Just throwing that out there, it may not be accurate. Also, this is before Cypriots or Pontic Greeks were realized by geneticists to be a separate cluster. I doubt those Greeks in that study are mainlanders.

[Sikeliot]

I found this fst distance table for another thread and Irish and Greeks are actually very distant genetically. Swedes and Danes are actually closer to Greeks than the Irish are.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/13159664/79/images/15/FST+Genetic+Distance+between+19+European+Populatio ns+%28x+10%2C000%29.jpg



Dated 1994. Just throwing that out there, it may not be accurate. Also, this is before Cypriots or Pontic Greeks were realized by geneticists to be a separate cluster. I doubt those Greeks in that study are mainlanders.

[Grace O'Malley]

Dated 1994. Just throwing that out there, it may not be accurate. Also, this is before Cypriots or Pontic Greeks were realized by geneticists to be a separate cluster. I doubt those Greeks in that study are mainlanders.

It's Cavalli-Sforza and it still shows the Irish as being the most distant whether they are mainlanders or Pontic Greeks are in the cluster. It's not really surprising when you think they are opposite ends of Europe. If there are other distance plots done by scientists please post.

Here's another one but Greeks are closer to Irish than Swedes in this one.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3343/5815310162_b536dd4de5_b.jpg

[Kamal900]

I guess Greeks and Irish considering that there are the so called "dark Irish" who can pass in Greece and so on.

[Grace O'Malley]

I guess Greeks and Irish considering that there are the so called "dark Irish" who can pass in Greece and so on.

I think Greeks and Irish look more alike than Turks and Pakistanis but I don't think "dark Irish" i.e. Irish with dark hair necessarily can pass in Greece.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/26400000/Andrea-the-corrs-26422788-437-480.jpg
https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2016/10/11642569-high-res-poldark-682x920.jpg

Maybe other's might disagree.

[Phenix]

Imo even the French are fairly easy to tell apart from any British Isles nationality as a group, let alone Greeks.

Still closer to each other than Turks and Pakistanis specially Punjabis.


I found this fst distance table for another thread and Irish and Greeks are actually very distant genetically. Swedes and Danes are actually closer to Greeks than the Irish are.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/13159664/79/images/15/FST+Genetic+Distance+between+19+European+Populatio ns+%28x+10%2C000%29.jpg

Checking the table I found a highly doubtful proximity between Belgians and Italians, but you point is valid, Greeks and Irish live in two opposite corners of Europe, so the genetic distance separating them could be the farthest.

[Tooting Carmen]

Still closer to each other than Turks and Pakistanis specially Punjabis.

I am not saying otherwise.

[Phenix]

I am not saying otherwise.

Just to make sure, I wonder who are the five who voted opposite.

[lonewolfcypriot]

Greek and Irish especially Mainlanders

[lameduck]

why exclude Pashtuns . On topic Pakistan is a massive country

This is ethnic/linguistic break down of Pakistan according to latest census(2017), as you can see even ethnicites of Pakistan run in size of country
https://i.imgur.com/4qMg78I.jpg

On topic i would say Pashtuns and other West and North Pakistanis will have a pull toward turkey(East) and East Pakistanis have a pull toward Subcontinent

But Greek and Irish look more alike because there is a European Look.


some pictures of Pashtun and other North Pakistanis
https://i0.wp.com/pamirtimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chitral-Musharraf-Rally-1.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1
https://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/12/586433faefb36.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/large/2015/12/567eef9286ff0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vUmSQz6.png
https://khybernews.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/parachinar-protest.jpg


Pictures from Punjab/Sindh

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FTR16H/epa04088446-people-and-relatives-attend-the-funeral-prayer-of-eight-FTR16H.jpg
https://www.minhaj.net/images-db10/2018/PAT-youth-motorcycle-rally_23-March-2018_1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrlAtXcAAXtl-.jpg
https://cdn-blogs.tribune.com.pk/2017/09/57025-funeraljpg-1505559627-467-640x480.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/a8e89b9715302a0f3d9e2314b425e26f110e875b.jpg
https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/52/68/80/500_F_152688007_SJcvZlsfYCGjRkQwnCDVvoqmpocjRqWk.j pg

[Khamzat]

why exclude Pashtun . On topic Pakistan is a massive country

This is ethnic/linguistic break down of Pakistan according to latest census(2017), as you can see even ethnicites of Pakistan run in size of country
https://i.imgur.com/4qMg78I.jpg

On topic i would say Pashtuns and other West and North Pakistanis will have a pull toward turkey(East) and East Pakistanis have a pull toward Subcontinent

But Greek and Irish look more alike because there is a European Look.


some pictures of Pashtun and other North Pakistanis
https://i0.wp.com/pamirtimes.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chitral-Musharraf-Rally-1.jpg?w=1024&ssl=1
https://i.dawn.com/primary/2016/12/586433faefb36.jpg
http://i.dawn.com/large/2015/12/567eef9286ff0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vUmSQz6.png
https://khybernews.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/parachinar-protest.jpg


Pictures from Punjab/Sindh

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FTR16H/epa04088446-people-and-relatives-attend-the-funeral-prayer-of-eight-FTR16H.jpg
https://www.minhaj.net/images-db10/2018/PAT-youth-motorcycle-rally_23-March-2018_1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJNrlAtXcAAXtl-.jpg
https://cdn-blogs.tribune.com.pk/2017/09/57025-funeraljpg-1505559627-467-640x480.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/a8e89b9715302a0f3d9e2314b425e26f110e875b.jpg
https://as1.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/52/68/80/500_F_152688007_SJcvZlsfYCGjRkQwnCDVvoqmpocjRqWk.j pg
Do you know why the percentage of Punjabi’s has dropped 6 percent in the last 20 years? From 44% to 38%.

[Marmara]

Greek and Irish, but it's not a smart comparision.

[lameduck]

Do you know why the percentage of Punjabi’s has dropped 6 percent in the last 20 years? From 44% to 38%.

most punjabis are getting urban and hence they have lot lower birth rates than Pashtuns and other North Pakistanis who are rural. As you can see percentage of Seraikis(South Punjabis) have also increased since it is mostly rural region. Bloch percentage decrease is most alarming to me, with Afghan migration in Baluchistan demography of Baluchistan is already disturbed against Balochs. But good thing is that lot of balochs speak seraiki as well and live in seraiki region of country.

[Thambi]

I'd say greeks and irish, even after pashtuns are included. Many pashtuns can pass as turks, but overall europeans look very similar facial features wise imo disregarding hair and eye colors.

[Smeagol]

Irish and Greeks obviously. Turks and Pakis (Indians) aren't even the same race due to the heavy Australoid admixture in Indians.

[KingOf]

I think Greeks and Irish look more alike than Turks and Pakistanis but I don't think "dark Irish" i.e. Irish with dark hair necessarily can pass in Greece.

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/26400000/Andrea-the-corrs-26422788-437-480.jpg
https://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2016/10/11642569-high-res-poldark-682x920.jpg

Maybe other's might disagree.

man passes fine but woman looks a bit off

[Thambi]

Irish and Greeks obviously. Turks and Pakis (Indians) aren't even the same race due to the heavy Australoid admixture in Indians.

Pakistanis aren't the same as Indians lol. They look quite different overall. Also, australoid isn't that heavy in an average pakistani's pheno.

Not just that but turks have a decent amount of mongoloid as well, about 20% in some areas of Turkey so that also adds in to the difference between turks and pakistanis.

[Smeagol]

Pakistanis aren't the same as Indians lol. They look quite different overall. Also, australoid isn't that heavy in an average pakistani's pheno.

Not just that but turks have a decent amount of mongoloid as well, about 20% in some areas of Turkey so that also adds in to the difference between turks and pakistanis.

Pakis are just muslim Indians. They've only been separated since after World War II.

[Thambi]

Pakis are just muslim Indians. They've only been separated since after World War II.

the indic pakistanis are similar to northwest indians and nw indians themselves are noticeably different from vast majority of indians from other regions. yes they are closer to indians than to turks obviously but they still are as different from indians as greeks are from irish or scandinavians, if not more.

if you saw the percentages posted by lameduck, there are significant non indic set of populations in western and northern pakistan who look more like western/central asians. they look closer to turks than they do to most indians.

[Marmara]

the indic pakistanis are similar to northwest indians and nw indians themselves are noticeably different from vast majority of indians from other regions. yes they are closer to indians than to turks obviously but they still are as different from indians as greeks are from irish or scandinavians.

if you saw the percentages posted by lameduck, there are significant non indic set of populations in western and northern pakistan who look more like western/central asians. they look closer to turks than they do to most indians.

Pashtuns don't look like West Asians, the images Lameduck posted were Pashtun Pakistanis and they look extremely different as a group.

[Thambi]

Pashtuns don't look like West Asians, the images Lameduck posted were Pashtun Pakistanis and they look extremely different as a group.

Yes as a group they dont look west asian proper but they look closer to west asians than to south asians overall imo.

[21993]

Irish and Greeks because they both are heavily influenced by Early Neolithic Farmer phenotypes.

[PaleoEuropean]

Even mainland Greeks are still among the darkest and most Mediterranean-looking Europeans as a group.

Unless you count Sicilians but they look more Arab.

[Kyp]

i'd say Irish and Pakis

[Grace O'Malley]

Just out of interest I thought I'd look at the genetic distance with some of these populations.

I've added some populations to gain context.

718 Greek:Average Turkish_Kayseri_Averaged Averaged 9.23
754 Greek:Average Basque_French_Averaged Averaged 9.387
758 Greek:Average Libyan_Jew_Averaged Averaged 9.398
773 Greek:Average Turkish_Adana_Averaged Averaged 9.455
792 Greek:Average Tunisian_Jew_Averaged Averaged 9.549
802 Greek:Average German_East_Averaged Averaged 9.59
806 Greek:Average Czech_Averaged Averaged 9.597
859 Greek:Average Basque_Spanish_Averaged Averaged 9.806
861 Greek:Average Druze_Averaged Averaged 9.815
918 Greek:Average Lebanese_Muslim_Averaged Averaged 9.989
934 Greek:Average Lebanese_Druze_Averaged Averaged 10.028
939 Greek:Average Slovakian_Averaged Averaged 10.052
969 Greek:Average Dutch_Averaged Averaged 10.131
973 Greek:Average English_Averaged Averaged 10.138
994 Greek:Average Turkish_Balikesir_Averaged Averaged 10.209
1003 Greek:Average Turkish_Trabzon_Averaged Averaged 10.227
1058 Greek:Average Turkish_Aydin_Averaged Averaged 10.375
1067 Greek:Average Lebanese_Christian_Averaged Averaged 10.4
1101 Greek:Average Scottish_Averaged Averaged 10.474
1132 Greek:Average Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 10.544
1163 Greek:Average Armenian_Averaged Averaged 10.609
1176 Greek:Average Welsh_Averaged Averaged 10.635
1184 Greek:Average Shetlandic_Averaged Averaged 10.647
1198 Greek:Average Georgian_Jew_Averaged Averaged 10.676
1223 Greek:Average Irish_Averaged Averaged 10.739
1232 Greek:Average Syrian_Averaged Averaged 10.77
1266 Greek:Average Kumyk_Averaged Averaged 10.856
1294 Greek:Average Sardinian_Averaged Averaged 10.915
1312 Greek:Average Adygei_Averaged Averaged 10.964
1412 Greek:Average Assyrian_Averaged Averaged 11.196
1419 Greek:Average Polish_Averaged Averaged 11.214
1443 Greek:Average Ukrainian_Averaged Averaged 11.255
1460 Greek:Average Azeri_Dagestan_Averaged Averaged 11.306
1493 Greek:Average Cherkes_Averaged Averaged 11.381
1515 Greek:Average Swedish_Averaged Averaged 11.424
1588 Greek:Average Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 11.567

Pakistan is split into different tribes so I've used Balochi

693 Balochi:Average Kurdish_Averaged Averaged 12.399
771 Balochi:Average Turkish_Adana_Averaged Averaged 13.696
793 Balochi:Average Chechen_Averaged Averaged 13.877
807 Balochi:Average Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh_Averaged Averaged 14.019
809 Balochi:Average North_Ossetian_Averaged Averaged 14.03
824 Balochi:Average Karachay_Averaged Averaged 14.216
845 Balochi:Average Turkish_Kayseri_Averaged Averaged 14.426

[Cristiano viejo]

Turks and Pakis IMO. Same skin colour, many times same features. Even culturally (Islam, poverty, lack of civil rights, etc).

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wow this is Kleenex's dream thread wth

[Tooting Carmen]

Turks and Pakis IMO. Same skin colour, many times same features. Even culturally (Islam, poverty, lack of civil rights, etc).

Not really. Pakistanis are on average several shades darker than Turks and with different features. In fact, when I was in Istanbul there were lots of Indian and Pakistani tourists, and the vast majority of the time they were easy to tell apart from the Turks.

[Cristiano viejo]

Not really. Pakistanis are on average several shades darker than Turks and with different features. In fact, when I was in Istanbul there were lots of Indian and Pakistani tourists, and the vast majority of the time they were easy to tell apart from the Turks.

Both populations are brown, that is what I am saying. Both have Asian features.

[Tooting Carmen]

Both populations are brown, that is what I am saying. Both have Asian features.

Actually, I'd say that at least 20-25% of Turks look White/near-White. For that matter, there are even some Pakistanis who do, but the percentage is extremely miniscule by comparison.

[lameduck]

Not really. Pakistanis are on average several shades darker than Turks and with different features. In fact, when I was in Istanbul there were lots of Indian and Pakistani tourists, and the vast majority of the time they were easy to tell apart from the Turks.

yeah most Turks I have seen pretty much look similar to Europeans to me.

btw skin tone map I got from Anthroscape (what is your opionion about it) , according to it part of Pakistan is even lighter than many Middle eastern regions.

https://i.imgur.com/gL2Jcvs.png

[Tooting Carmen]

yeah most Turks I have seen pretty much look similar to Europeans to me.

btw skin tone map I got from Anthroscape (what is your opionion about it) , according to it part of Pakistan is even lighter than many Middle eastern regions.

https://i.imgur.com/gL2Jcvs.png

I wouldn't go so far as to say an outright majority of Turks can pass as Europeans, but a large minority definitely do. As for that map, I do think that many Gulf Arabs are as dark as Pakistanis (and compared to Pashtuns, possibly more so).

[Cristiano viejo]

I wouldn't go so far as to say an outright majority of Turks can pass as Europeans, but a large minority definitely do. As for that map, I do think that many Gulf Arabs are as dark as Pakistanis (and compared to Pashtuns, possibly more so).

That is like saying a minority of North Africans pass as Europeans to claim they overlap with Europeans :rolleyes:
It is ridiculous. We are not talking about a minority but about a whole. And as a whole, Turks are brown.

[Tooting Carmen]

That is like saying a minority of North Africans pass as Europeans to claim they overlap with Europeans :rolleyes:
It is ridiculous. We are not talking about a minority but about a whole. And as a whole, Turks are brown.

I agree that most Turks are dark-skinned, but a lot more pass in Europe than do North Africans and it's not even close.

[Nurzat]

Who looks more alike: Turks and Pakistanis or Irish and Greeks?

neither. all the 4 regions have very different types. as a group they cannot pass as the other.

[Cristiano viejo]

I agree that most Turks are dark-skinned, but a lot more pass in Europe than do North Africans and it's not even close.
North Africans are irrelevant in this debate and does not mean anything, I just named them to show it is ridicolous speaking about a tiny percentage of the total population of any country.

[lameduck]

That is like saying a minority of North Africans pass as Europeans to claim they overlap with Europeans :rolleyes:
It is ridiculous. We are not talking about a minority but about a whole. And as a whole, Turks are brown.

I think Brown is relative, compared to Pakis turks are White , but compared to Swedes turks are brown.

[Tooting Carmen]

I think Brown is relative, compared to Pakis turks are White , but compared to Swedes turks are brown.

Now that's silly as well - we may as well say that, compared to Nigerians, Pakistanis are White. xD

[Cristiano viejo]

I think Brown is relative, compared to Pakis turks are White , but compared to Swedes turks are brown.

Compared with any European, Turks are brown.

[Anxiety]

Turks and Pakis IMO. Same skin colour, many times same features. Even culturally (Islam, poverty, lack of civil rights, etc).

Not at all. The majority of us are white. Some have a darker complexion. There is no pshyical resemblance between us. The only connection would be Islam.


Both populations are brown, that is what I am saying. Both have Asian features.

Then why am I white? ��


Actually, I'd say that at least 20-25% of Turks look White/near-White. For that matter, there are even some Pakistanis who do, but the percentage is extremely miniscule by comparison.

75 White would be more accurate.

[Cristiano viejo]

Not at all. The majority of us are white. Some have a darker complexion. There is no pshyical resemblance between us. The only connection would be Islam.
It is some European populations (Spaniards, Italians, Romanians etc) who have some ones with a darker complexion, not Turks. Turks, plus being dark, have clear Asian features.



Then why am I white? ��
Are you? :rolleyes:



75 White would be more accurate.

LOL

[lameduck]

Not at all. The majority of us are white. Some have a darker complexion. There is no pshyical resemblance between us. The only connection would be Islam.



Then why am I white? ��



75 White would be more accurate.

My grandmother was watching Turkish drama in Pakistan and some people were saying Islamic stuff like Allah hu Akbar and Asslam alaiukum etc,she said to me how can Muslims be so light skinned lol

[Kivan]

Compared with any European, Turks are brown.

If the intention is trolling, let's do it well.

Random Turks:
http://www.tedbursa.k12.tr/fotogaleri/bolumler/beden2.jpg
https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/600x600/54470846_cxa-HIUP9hERWlmrsxzIg5m6wjZ69K2QhG7Rb4V-2BE.jpg
https://abload.de/img/27579910_338169270033qpkwq.jpg
http://www.zmo.org.tr/resimler/bizden/orj/45506_17_09_45.jpg


Random Spaniards:
https://unseennewmexico.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/3333333333.jpg?w=820&h=312&crop=1
https://www.thelocal.es/userdata/images/article/18fff524c3877a845eb88053f4493582928bc3291b536c3748 fa637b55cf153b.jpg
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2016.07/original/577fdf51c46188c76c8b45b8.jpg
https://i.redd.it/76kvqmn75jfz.jpg


Thank God, i'm not White.

[The Blade]

Greeks and Irish, despite the significant difference in their average look, are more similar than Turks and people of Pakistan.

[MinervaItalica]

Greeks and Irish, despite the significant difference in their average look, are more similar than Turks and people of Pakistan.

Shouldn't you leave TA like you stated in your thread?

[lameduck]

If the intention is trolling, let's do it well.

Random Turks:
http://www.tedbursa.k12.tr/fotogaleri/bolumler/beden2.jpg
https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/600x600/54470846_cxa-HIUP9hERWlmrsxzIg5m6wjZ69K2QhG7Rb4V-2BE.jpg
https://abload.de/img/27579910_338169270033qpkwq.jpg
http://www.zmo.org.tr/resimler/bizden/orj/45506_17_09_45.jpg


Random Spaniards:
https://unseennewmexico.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/3333333333.jpg?w=820&h=312&crop=1
https://www.thelocal.es/userdata/images/article/18fff524c3877a845eb88053f4493582928bc3291b536c3748 fa637b55cf153b.jpg
https://cdni.rt.com/files/2016.07/original/577fdf51c46188c76c8b45b8.jpg
https://i.redd.it/76kvqmn75jfz.jpg


Thank God, i'm not White.
These people are good representative of Turks I have seen.

[The Blade]

Shouldn't you leave TA like you stated in your thread?
I decided not to for several factors. Do you care?

[MinervaItalica]

I decided not to for several factors. Do you care?

Just curious.

[The Blade]

Just curious.
I want to diversify and think I still have what to contribute with.

[Anxiety]

It is some European populations (Spaniards, Italians, Romanians etc) who have some ones with a darker complexion, not Turks. Turks, plus being dark, have clear Asian features.

Haha you have never been to Turkey before have you. :lmao
Sorry to dissapoint you but this condescending narrative that you are desperately trying to paint, is not gonna work. Whatever personal issues you have with us, is your problem. :wink


Are you? :rolleyes:

Dont be surprised if Im whiter than you :)

https://media1.giphy.com/media/BLEQB0bBC4Sozcd4w7/giphy.gif

[Zoro]

Similarity is not just based on skin color it’s also based on facial features. So whereas many turks can have the same skin shade as Europeans but their facial features make them stand out so when comparing turks and north West Pakistanis there is overlap in facial features

As an example with Kurds which probably applies to Turks too. Alot of Kurdish girls these days color their hair blond and put a ton of makeup to make their skin white but when they try to mix in a gathering of northern Europeans I can immediately spot them based on the size and shape of their eyes their nose cheeks etc.

[itilvolga]

Turks and Pakis IMO. Same skin colour, many times same features. Even culturally (Islam, poverty, lack of civil rights, etc).

You are mentally ill.

[Anxiety]

Similarity is not just based on skin color it’s also based on facial features. So whereas many turks can have the same skin shade as Europeans but their facial features make them stand out so when comparing turks and north West Pakistanis there is overlap in facial features

Can you show me an example of a Turk and Pakistani next to each other who look a like? I am curious.

[lameduck]

Can you show me an example of a Turk and Pakistani next to each other who look a like? I am curious.

Three guy on left are Turks and four guys on right are Pakis(1 Pashtuns, 3 Punjabis) , still I think differences are clear lighter skinned Pakistanis look lighter skinned Pakistanis for most part

https://www.suchtv.pk/media/k2/items/cache/695a24d8b4e460c088f60b33ede67070_XL.jpg

[Thambi]

Three guy on left are Turks and four guys on right are Pakis(1 Pashtuns, 3 Punjabis) , still I think differences are clear lighter skinned Pakistanis look lighter skinned Pakistanis for most part

https://www.suchtv.pk/media/k2/items/cache/695a24d8b4e460c088f60b33ede67070_XL.jpg

only the short guy 2nd to most right looks different. The rest six look like they belong to the same group imo

[Prinses]

You people with obsession for Turks are SICK. Everyday in the top threads there is something about Turks/Turkey

[lameduck]

literally only the short guy 2nd to most right looks different. The rest six look like they belong to the same group.

there is some resemblance between humans since all Humans belong to same specie e.g British guy among Pakis even he doesn't look like a different species. Personally I see more similarities between Pakis and Chinse than MENA(Turks , Arabs, Iranians)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77SHU9lUjlQ

[lameduck]

You people with obsession for Turks are SICK. Everyday in the top threads there is something about Turks/Turkey

easy no Pakistani has opened this thread lol , educated Pakistanis actually look down on MENA region.

[Bigsaul]

Pakistanis and Turks look world apart from each other.

[Prinses]

easy no Pakistani has opened this thread lol , educated Pakistanis actually look down on MENA region.

I don’t care who look down on MENA region and about your ‘educated Pakistanis’. I talk about TA members as a whole. Everytime I check the top threads there is something about Turkey or Turks.

Where does this huge interest come from?

[Bornoz]

easy no Pakistani has opened this thread lol , educated Pakistanis actually look down on MENA region.

Why would people that took a proper education look down on an area or nation?
It is a very ignorant behavior

[Dorian]

Can you show me an example of a Turk and Pakistani next to each other who look a like? I am curious.

https://cb2.scene7.com/is/image/CB2/AcaciaWoodMirrorRndLrgSHF16

[Ayetooey]

Most south asians can only pass in south asia, even the paler ones. Where as Greeks/Irish can in uncommon cases share phenotypes. All Europeans have the same admix just in different proportions so I'd say Greeks/Irish.

[Anxiety]

What is important is that we Turks vary a lot in pyshical features like skin color. Mainly based on the region in Anatolia that we live in. For example people from the west coast like Izmir tend to be more european and white similar to Greeks/Balkan compared to people from Gaziantep on the south-east who tend to look more like Iranian/Armenians/Syrians. Our ethnic background also needs to be considerated just like different groups of Pakistani's are mentioned. And there is a big community of Kurds who also identify as Turks.
So this whole comparing thing is just pointless.


Three guy on left are Turks and four guys on right are Pakis(1 Pashtuns, 3 Punjabis) , still I think differences are clear lighter skinned Pakistanis look lighter skinned Pakistanis for most part

I wonder what part of Turkey they are from.

[lameduck]

Pakistanis and Turks look world apart from each other.

Obviously even many Fellow MeNas can't pass in Turkey let alone people outside of region.

[lameduck]

I don’t care who look down on MENA region and about your ‘educated Pakistanis’. I talk about TA members as a whole. Everytime I check the top threads there is something about Turkey or Turks.

Where does this huge interest come from?

Yeah I agree btw sorry for my harsh tone , I love Turkey and its people , imo Turkey is biggest victim of orientalism on this board

[Bigsaul]

Obviously even many Fellow MeNas can't pass in Turkey let alone people outside of region.

Turkey is a large country with clear regional differences. The South-East has many people can pass as Arab and other ME. The Western part has both stronger Central Asiatic influence and Balkan and low Middle Eastern.

[Anxiety]

I don’t care who look down on MENA region and about your ‘educated Pakistanis’. I talk about TA members as a whole. Everytime I check the top threads there is something about Turkey or Turks.

Where does this huge interest come from?

I noticed it too. I just joined a couple of hours ago and I already have to deal with a couple of low lives who have a negative obsession with Turks and Turkey.
They must be so miserable.

[Bornoz]

I noticed it too. I just joined a couple of hours ago and I already have to deal with a couple of low lives who have a negative obsession with Turks and Turkey.
They must be really miserable.

Sen daha hiç bi şey görmedin ya :lol:

[Dorian]

I noticed it too. I just joined a couple of hours ago and I already have to deal with a couple of low lives who have a negative obsession with Turks and Turkey.
They must be so miserable.

https://cb2.scene7.com/is/image/CB2/AcaciaWoodMirrorRndLrgSHF16

[Anxiety]

I already have a #1 fan who stalks me around :))

[Dorian]

I already have a #1 fan who stalks me around :))
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=24530&dateline=1559560509
https://www.sccpre.cat/mypng/detail/106-1069430_blushing-png-blush-emoji.png

[lameduck]

What is important is that we Turks vary a lot in pyshical features like skin color. Mainly based on the region in Anatolia that we live in. For example people from the west coast like Izmir tend to be more european and white similar to Greeks/Balkan compared to people from Gaziantep on the south-east who tend to look more like Iranian/Armenians/Syrians. Our ethnic background also needs to be considerated just like different groups of Pakistani's are mentioned. And there is a big community of Kurds who also identify as Turks.
So this whole comparing thing is just pointless.



I wonder what part of Turkey they are from.

I agree vast majority of pakis can't pass anywhere in turkey, humanity is diverse hence beautiful, there is nothing wrong with it.

[lameduck]

Why would people that took a proper education look down on an area or nation?
It is a very ignorant behavior

I will give a candid reply to you , when I joined these boards I saw many MENA people being very salty toward Pakistan and South Asia in general because Europeans will lump them as pakis or something , they will continously deny diversity of Pakistan and stuff.

[itilvolga]

I noticed it too. I just joined a couple of hours ago and I already have to deal with a couple of low lives who have a negative obsession with Turks and Turkey.
They must be so miserable.

Allah şimdiden kolaylık versin, foruma girmeden bi yarım saat önce antidepresan al ki akıl sağlığını yitirmeyesin.

[Anxiety]

Allah şimdiden kolaylık versin, foruma girmeden bi yarım saat önce antidepresan al ki akıl sağlığını yitirmeyesin.

Tesekkur ederim. Ihtiyacim olacak sanirim.
O degilde, benim merak ettigim burda moderatorler falan yok mu? Hiç kimse mudahele etmiyor. Ortam çok toxic.

[Zoro]

Most south asians can only pass in south asia, even the paler ones. Where as Greeks/Irish can in uncommon cases share phenotypes. All Europeans have the same admix just in different proportions so I'd say Greeks/Irish.

I think you’re referring to the Indians who have alot of Onge or SE Asian mix. The N Indians and Pakistanis who don’t can easily pass in Iran Iraq Gulf or S Kurdistan and visa versa

For example these 3 are former Iraqi president Saddam, Indian film actor Shatrughan Sinha, and Afghan singer Ustad Mangal. There’s quite a bit of resemblance

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Here are a couple of Iraqis that can pass in many parts of India and Pakistan. Of course there are thousands more like this. Even many of my relatives can easily pass in Pakistan and N India. I just don’t like to post many pictures of my relatives ( I have a couple posted in another thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291199-Post-your-South-Central-Asian-score-from-Eurogenes-K36/page8
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[Bornoz]

I will give a candid reply to you , when I joined these boards I saw many MENA people being very salty toward Pakistan and South Asia in general because Europeans will lump them as pakis or something , they will continously deny diversity of Pakistan and stuff.

I think we should choose the people that we give credit their words carefully in such cases.
People that you are mentioning were internet trolls most probably. This forum attracts such creatures as you know

[itilvolga]

Tesekkur ederim. Ihtiyacim olacak sanirim.
O degilde, benim merak ettigim burda moderatorler falan yok mu? Hiç kimse mudahele etmiyor. Ortam çok toxic.

Evet burada biraz özgür bir ortam var ve kurallara aykırı olmadığı sürece kimseyi banlamıyorlar. Bazen kurallara aykırı olsa bile banlamıyorlar, orası ayrı. Ağızlarının payını vermekten çekinme, yoksa tepene çıkarlar haberin olsun.

[lameduck]

I think we should choose the people that we give credit their words carefully in such cases.
People that you are mentioning were internet trolls most probably. This forum attracts such creatures as you know

Yeah bro I agree also most such people were Iranians

[Bigsaul]

I think you’re referring to the Indians who have alot of Onge or SE Asian mix. The N Indians and Pakistanis who don’t can easily pass in Iran Iraq Gulf or S Kurdistan and visa versa

For example these 3 are former Iraqi president Saddam, Indian film actor Shatrughan Sinha, and Afghan singer Ustad Mangal. There’s quite a bit of resemblance

88452
88453
88454

Here are a couple of Iraqis that can pass in many parts of India and Pakistan. Of course there are thousands more like this. Even many of my relatives can easily pass in Pakistan and N India. I just don’t like to post many pictures of my relatives ( I have a couple posted in another thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291199-Post-your-South-Central-Asian-score-from-Eurogenes-K36/page8
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Troll

[lameduck]

I think you’re referring to the Indians who have alot of Onge or SE Asian mix. The N Indians and Pakistanis who don’t can easily pass in Iran Iraq Gulf or S Kurdistan and visa versa

For example these 3 are former Iraqi president Saddam, Indian film actor Shatrughan Sinha, and Afghan singer Ustad Mangal. There’s quite a bit of resemblance

88452
88453
88454

Here are a couple of Iraqis that can pass in many parts of India and Pakistan. Of course there are thousands more like this. Even many of my relatives can easily pass in Pakistan and N India. I just don’t like to post many pictures of my relatives ( I have a couple posted in another thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291199-Post-your-South-Central-Asian-score-from-Eurogenes-K36/page8
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We have many Middle eastern students in Pakistan and they are very easy to tell apart from Pakistanis of all groups, pigmentation is not race.

[Anxiety]

Evet burada biraz özgür bir ortam var ve kurallara aykırı olmadığı sürece kimseyi banlamıyorlar. Bazen kurallara aykırı olsa bile banlamıyorlar, orası ayrı. Ağızlarının payını vermekten çekinme, yoksa tepene çıkarlar haberin olsun.

Anladim. Ozaman hodri meydan bakalim :)

[Cristiano viejo]

If the intention is trolling, let's do it well.
It is you who is trolling. I dont need to do cherrypicking.


Thank God, i'm not White.
Dont worry, you are not and no one considers you so.

[Zoro]

We have many Middle eastern students in Pakistan and they are very easy to tell apart from Pakistanis of all groups, pigmentation is not race.

Sure you can once they open their mouths and of course some by just looking at them but if you can tell apart all of them then you are gifted. Maybe I’ll post some sometime to see how you do.

[Cristiano viejo]

Haha you have never been to Turkey before have you.
I neither have been in Nigeria and do know they are black.


Dont be surprised if Im whiter than you :)

Oh yes, I would be veeeeeeeeeeery surprised.

[Mikael19]

I think you’re referring to the Indians who have alot of Onge or SE Asian mix. The N Indians and Pakistanis who don’t can easily pass in Iran Iraq Gulf or S Kurdistan and visa versa

For example these 3 are former Iraqi president Saddam, Indian film actor Shatrughan Sinha, and Afghan singer Ustad Mangal. There’s quite a bit of resemblance

88452
88453
88454

Here are a couple of Iraqis that can pass in many parts of India and Pakistan. Of course there are thousands more like this. Even many of my relatives can easily pass in Pakistan and N India. I just don’t like to post many pictures of my relatives ( I have a couple posted in another thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?291199-Post-your-South-Central-Asian-score-from-Eurogenes-K36/page8
88455
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Ustad mangal is a pashtun from laghman, Afghanistan. I think the OP said excluding Pashtuns

https://i.ibb.co/HH97Ddf/mangal-singer-74fdc6c6-4c3a-4e87-9643-a78c8dd54c2-resize-750.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/phXc6Gy/hqdefault-1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
ammonium sulfate in water (https://aluminumsulfate.net/ammonium-sulfate)

His piercing green eyes were quite popular with the ladies back in the day

[Gangrel]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=24530&dateline=1559560509
https://www.sccpre.cat/mypng/detail/106-1069430_blushing-png-blush-emoji.png

lmao

[Anxiety]

I neither have been in Nigeria and do know they are black.

Which still does not prove anything other than that you are deflecting the argument out of lack of knowledge. Poor you.
That is like saying, "I have never been a Gucci store but I know I can buy clothes there". Lmao. Are you brain dead?

[Grace O'Malley]

People might know these already but there are 3 Finance Ministers in this picture Greek, Spanish and Irish. Is it obvious which is which?

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Yanis.jpg

[Mikael19]

People might know these already but there are 3 Finance Ministers in this picture Greek, Spanish and Irish. Is it obvious which is which?

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Yanis.jpg

Side profiles aren't really helpful, but Irish, Greek, Spanish?L to R

The Irish with the brachy skull as well as the Spanish. The Greek has potruding profile, with a meso skull?