Should Islam be Banned in Europe and North America?

[Petros Agapetos]

Should Islam be banned in Europe, USA and Canada?

Michael Savage on Japan avoiding terror by keeping you-know-whom out, restricting them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_6b5CU0QQY

"The country is sinking...we do not need any more immigrants in the workforce,
what we need to do is train the unemployed to work in the workforce".

Why is there no Islamic terrorism in Japan?
Is Japan a racist society?

They do not have too many mosques in Japan.
Japan is fundamentally closed to Muslims.
The number of immigration permits to Muslims is near zero.
There are very few Muslims in Japan: 1 out of 100,000.
Even these Muslims who do have immigration permits have a low chance of becoming Japanese citizens.

In Japan, Japanese male doctors are actually allowed to touch their female patients. How is that possible?

Did you know the Quran is not considered a holy book in Japan?
Did you know that Muslim women do not get financial assistance for bearing a child?
Did you know there are no sharia courts in Japan and no trace of sharia in Japan?
Did you know that Japan officially forbids exhorting people to join Islam?
Did you know that any active promoter of Islam faces deportation or a jail sentence in Japan?

[Div]

OK WE GET IT YOU DON'T LIKE ISLAM!

[Myanthropologies]

How many times are you going to ask this question? Don't you get tired and bored of it?

I think the better question is

"Should Petros Agapetos be banned from making the same threads over and over again?"

[Myanthropologies]

Also, good job for voting on your own poll. Why don't you high-five yourself next time, too.

[Kivan]

No, these are democratic countries with freedom of speech. Everyone is free to believe(or not) in whatever they want, as long as they don't bother/interfere in the lives of other people, don't break the laws and don't mix politics with religion.

[StonyArabia]

Japan did not ban Islam, I know Turks and Iranians who live there. There are mosques in Japan, in the fact the first mosque was built by Tatar and Bashkir Muslims who went there. You can't ban religions in a so called democratic nations, because they ensure freedom of religion.


No, these are democratic countries with freedom of speech. Everyone is free to believe(or not) in whatever they want, as long as they don't bother/interfere in the lives of other people, don't break the laws and don't mix politics with religion.

Agreed

[Gründig]

Yes, It's ruining the world.

[Petros Agapetos]

Japan did not ban Islam, I know Turks and Iranians who live there. There are mosques in Japan, in the fact the first mosque was built by Tatar and Bashkir Muslims who went there. You can't ban religions in a so called democratic nations, because they ensure freedom of religion.



Agreed


One viral image (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/17/viral-image/viral-graphic-says-japan-keeps-out-radical-islam-t/) points to Japan as an example of a country that keeps out radical Islam by cracking down on all forms of Islam and its adherents, implying that this is a good model for the United States to follow. The graphic is a simple black-and-white block of text with the headline, "Japan keeps Islam at bay by putting restrictions on Islam and ALL Muslims." The graphic then mentions a variety of ways in which Japan supposedly keeps tight control over the Muslims in its midst:

http://i63.tinypic.com/2ajduea.jpg

• "Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims"

• "Permanent residency is not given to Muslims"

• "Propagation of Islam in Japan is banned"

• "In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught"

• "Japan is the only country in the world with a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries"

• "One cannot import a ‘Koran’ published in the Arabic language"

• "Muslims must follow Japanese law and language".

• "The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist, and unwilling to change their Muslim laws"

• "Muslims cannot even rent a house in Japan"

• "There is no sharia law in Japan"

There is a simple reason we never read about jihadi attacks in Japan. There are no Muslims there. No Muslims, no terrorists.
This is a significant data point in the public debate over Muslim immigration. Donald Trump, of course, has famously proposed a suspension of Islamic immigration until we can figure out a way to screen out jihadis.

Japan Shut Down Radical Islam Entirely… And Here’s the Simple Way They Did It (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/japan-shut-down-islam/)


The Japanese people are distinctly themselves which is reflected in their government, commerce and daily lives, and unlike many Western countries, they are not swayed by outside influence and political correctness.

As the influence of Islam is being spread across the globe through Muslim evangelism and immigration, Muslims remain persona non grata in Japan.

While Japan strives to maintain civil relationships with Islamic countries for economic reasons, inside the country, Muslims are required to practice their religion quietly in their own homes and are prohibited from overtly endeavoring to convert anyone to Islam.

Out of Japan’s nearly 127 million occupants, only 10,000 of them, less than one hundredth of a percent, are Muslims. Part of that has to do with their ban on Islamic evangelism but perhaps even more so on their ban of Muslim immigrants.

While America and other countries are importing Muslims in droves, Japan discourages their entrance into their country, usually only allowing those in who are there for business purposes.

[Petros Agapetos]

Donald Trump anounces his Muslim ban during the presidential campaign.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLgTF8FrYlU

US Supreme Court upholds Donald Trump's travel ban targeting Muslim nations (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0cQYR5J-s)

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACBaRVm1lVI

Dr. Michael Savage exlpains: Muslim migration to non-muslim countries

[Kaspias]

This is not only about this thread but i'm collecting your all insults to Islam.(17 post fow now) I don't mean your all posts about Islam, i mean just insults.

I can make a PDF with them then open a thread in order to show people how socialist atheist butthurt armenian act disgustingly. There is no muslim who insults Christians. At the same time you don't have right to do same.

You already deserved ban. This is more than troll. TA is not a propaganda tool. Even non-muslims annoyed. Enough.

[Petros Agapetos]

Islam is incompatible with European Civilization. We are at a zero-sum contest with Islam. Banning Islam will significantly benefit European Civilization. The West can adopt the Japanese model or devise their own way of dealing with Islam.In addition to banning the spread of Islam, an immigration ban should apply to Muslims. I don't see another way out unfortunately.

[Petros Agapetos]

SOURCE: https://www.meforum.org/5029/should-islam-be-banned-for-blasphemy

Islam is the only religion whose core texts actively and unequivocally defame other religions. Modern day Muslim scholars and sheikhs agree that it is permissible to defame and mock Christianity.

Consider Christianity alone: Koran 5:73 declares that "Infidels are they who say God is one of three," a reference to the Christian Trinity; Koran 5:72 says "Infidels are they who say God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary"; and Koran 9:30 complains that "the Christians say the Christ is the son of God … may God's curse be upon them!"

Considering that the word "infidel" (kafir) is one of Islam's most derogatory terms, what if a Christian book or Western cartoon appeared declaring that "Infidels are they who say Muhammad is the prophet of God—may God's curse be upon them"? If Muslims would consider that a great defamation against Islam—and they would, with the attendant rioting, murders, etc.—then by the same standard it must be admitted that the Koran defames Christians and Christianity.

Here is a particularly odious form of defamation against Christian sentiment, especially to the millions of Catholic and Orthodox Christians.
According to Islam's most authoritative Koranic exegetes, including the revered Ibn Kathir, Muhammad is in paradise married to and copulating with the Virgin Mary.

Similarly, consider how the Christian Cross, venerated among millions, is depicted—is defamed—in Islam: according to canonical hadiths, when he returns, Jesus ("Prophet Isa") will destroy all crosses; and Muhammad, who never allowed the cross in his presence, once ordered someone wearing a cross to "throw away this piece of idol from yourself." Unsurprisingly, the cross is banned and often destroyed whenever visible in many Muslim countries.

What if Christian books or Western movies declared that the sacred things of Islam—say the Black Stone in Mecca's Ka'ba—are "idolatry" and that Muhammad himself will return and destroy them? If Muslims would consider that defamation against Islam—and they would, with all the attendant rioting, murders, etc.—then by the same standard it must be admitted that Islamic teaching defames the Christian Cross.

[Prinses]

It shouldnt be banned. I live in a country where they care about the freendom of individuals and mostly west/north european countries are like that. As long as they don’t hardcore support Islam in a way that it’s triggering for the ethnic’s who live there it shouldn’t be a problem. If people behave and don’t cause drama and don’t show it too much in public it’s fine.

[itilvolga]

We have 2 Petros here and both are the same shit different colors. How nice.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQQhkDXpHDE

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGEKSOMOUo

Sam Harris on Trump's extreme vetting & Hillary Clinton's political correctness on Islam & jihadism

[Incal]

Why just Europe and North America? It should be banned everywhere (with the exception of the desert).

[lonewolfcypriot]

Your question is illogical. It is impossible to ban a religion because people will practice their religion secretly. Unless you suggest that we should adopt an SS police system like the Nazis.

[Armenian Bishop]

This is not only about this thread but i'm collecting your all insults to Islam.(17 post fow now) I don't mean your all posts about Islam, i mean just insults.

I can make a PDF with them then open a thread in order to show people how socialist atheist butthurt armenian act disgustingly. There is no muslim who insults Christians. At the same time you don't have right to do same.

You already deserved ban. This is more than troll. TA is not a propaganda tool. Even non-muslims annoyed. Enough.

I don't like his viewpoints about Socialism, Atheism, and other things: I don't agree with a number of things that Petros (the OP) proposes, but what you and others are doing in this Thread is wrong. There's no need to exercise bully tactics of intimidation. His dislike of Islam doesn't justify a ban, for Peet's Sake.

The Apricity doesn't lie under the shadow of censorship, as has been the case with Turkey, especially when it used Article 301 to shut up journalists, authors, politicians, public speakers and the media. As for the spread of Islam into America and Europe, he's simply expresses his viewpoint, whether it be right or wrong is another matter.

[Kaspias]

I don't like his viewpoints about Socialism, Atheism, and other things: I don't agree with a number of things that Petros (the OP) proposes, but what you and others are doing in this Thread is wrong. There's no need to exercise bully tactics of intimidation. His dislike of Islam doesn't justify a ban, for Peet's Sake.

The Apricity doesn't lie under the shadow of censorship, as was the case with Turkey, especially when it used Article 301 to shut up journalists, authors, politicians, public speakers and the media. As for the spread of Islam into America and Europe, he's simply expresses his viewpoint, whether it be right or wrong is another matter.So you agree TA can be used for propagandas? As you can see he proved my claims, this was my third warning to him but he hasn't replied me, he hasn't replied anyone. Just spamming his propaganda. In addition to this i stated "it is not about this thread". I aimed his insults to islam, not his writings or questions about Islam.

I won't take your words serious which is about Turkey, no need to pissing contest about an unrelated topic.

Another butthurt perhaps?

[Ayetooey]

No it shouldn’t be banned.

[Armenian Bishop]

So you agree TA can be used for propagandas? As you can see he proved my claims, this was my third warning to him but he hasn't replied me, he hasn't replied anyone. Just spamming his propaganda. In addition to this i stated "it is not about this thread". I aimed his insults to islam, not his writings or questions about Islam.

I won't take your words serious which is about Turkey, no need to pissing contest about an unrelated topic.

Another butthurt perhaps?

Um Nope, the reference to Turkey was about Article 301 that for a long time suppressed free speech there. Why? You may ask, because the threats and accusations about propaganda, etc, etc, look like a bullying tactic that amounts to censorship. I really don't see it as propaganda, but simply proposing his disapproval of Islam, in a number of different ways.

[lonewolfcypriot]

:popcorn:

[oszkar07]

Banning it in Europe and Nth America is possibly a bit radical as there already lots Muslims there and you cant just kick them all out.

However I would be in favour of keeping the level of Muslim immigration in these countries very low and with very thorough assesment for the ones who are let in. Its not as if all Muslim are bad people definitly not but there is no question there has been more terror attacks done in the name of this religion than any other.
In Europe countries with highest Muslim populations are also same countries with highest incidence of Terror attacks.

[Aspirin]

First, deport all Muslims, banning Islam will not help, need to fight with the cause, not with the consequence.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Too late for that.

[Creoda]

No, just Muslims.

[Smeagol]

Obviously yes. Actually all non-Christian religions should be banned in the West because religious diversity only causes division and trouble for a nation.

[arkas]

It would do more harm than good, the Muslims living in those countries will want to retaliate because their human rights are being restricted. Islam is not a religion I would ever want to follow but I wouldn't want to live in a country that strictly dictates what religion I can or can't follow.

[Smeagol]

Banning it in Europe and Nth America is possibly a bit radical as there already lots Muslims there and you cant just kick them all out.

Sure you could if we just stopped pretending these people have some human right to live here.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Isam is a good guy.

[Kaspias]

Um Nope, the reference to Turkey was about Article 301 that for a long time suppressed free speech there. Why? You may ask, because the threats and accusations about propaganda, etc, etc, look like a bullying tactic that amounts to censorship. I really don't see it as propaganda, but simply proposing his disapproval of Islam, in a number of different ways.

Neither this topic have any relevance with Turkey's media sitiation nor i'm a supporter of Turkey government. Why you insist to put Turkey forward?

Petros have obsessed with Islam for months, he insulted so many time. It is not only about this thread.

[Dorian]

Why did Turks&Albanians became defensive in this thread when at least on this forum they try to pass an image of atheism or non-radicalism?

[Kaspias]

Why did Turks&Albanians became defensive in this thread when at least on this forum they try to pass an image of atheism or non-radicalism?I can simply answer for myself.

I'm not atheist or very religious muslim. I consider myself as moderate, secular muslim. You mentioned radicalism but radicalist peple are uneducated desert rats, they are not muslim. They can't be.

Religion is good indicator of people's culture, therefore it is important and shouldn't be humiliated. You connected it to Islam but imagine i start to open spam threads everyday which claiming atheists will go to hell or Christian religion is fake etc. How would you or average person react? He is fucking spamming those shits for months, not a new thing.

Believe me i would give same react if he do same things against Christians.

About topic --> You can't ban a religion. In this sense an Armenian can be European but a Bosnian can't. Huh?

[oszkar07]

Sure you could if we just stopped pretending these people have some human right to live here.

So you would have kicked Muhamed Ali out of the USA ?, yeh I guess you probably would even if he wasnt Muslim.

No I dont agree , there has been Muslims living in America for a very long time, several of them would have served America loyaly in the armed forces. I dont think everyone who is a Muslim is automatically an anti western terrorist.
But unfortunatly there are several of those types within the religion hence I do agree with greatly reducing Muslim immigration to the New world and to Europe.

[oszkar07]

double post.

[Dorian]

I can simply answer for myself.

I'm not atheist or very religious muslim. I consider myself as moderate, secular muslim. You mentioned radicalism but radicalist peple are uneducated desert rats, they are not muslim. They can't be.

Religion is good indicator of people's culture, therefore it is important and shouldn't be humiliated. You connected it to Islam but imagine i start to open spam threads everyday which claiming atheists will go to hell or Christian religion is fake etc. How would you or average person react? He is fucking spamming those shits for months, not a new thing.

Believe me i would give same react if he do same things against Christians.

About topic --> You can't ban a religion. In this sense an Armenian can be European but a Bosnian can't. Huh?

I'm with you on the connection of religion-culture/tradition ,for that same reason I respect the one of my country although I'm indifferent to its content and I'd consider myself simply an agnostic.Plus it will always be a powerful conservative/nationalistic opposition.
So personally I wouldn't care about what an atheist says and I'd just ignore him(and op's most posts are ignored so why care) ,your average atheist is as ignorant&dogmatic as any religious fanatic thinking his glorified so-called rationalism&science is the path to a higher divine truth,I put them in the same basket with hypocritic vegans/feminists/egalitarians etc

Although there's a type of atheist that I don't like and it's the one who's also anti-national and whose motivation is to humiliate anything that constitutes of a nation's tradition.

Now from a nationalistic point of view,I wouldn't mind the banning of islam ,maybe an Armenian isn't European but your average European shares more with him than with a Bosnian Muslim,in this case I don't care about Bosnian genetics unless they become Christians or something.

[Smeagol]

So you would have kicked Muhamed Ali out of the USA?

If it was up to me, yes.


No I dont agree , there has been Muslims living in America for a very long time, several of them would have served America loyaly in the armed forces. I dont think everyone who is a Muslim is automatically an anti western terrorist.
But unfortunatly there are several of those types within the religion hence I do agree with greatly reducing Muslim immigration to the New world and to Europe.

There's no such thing as a good Muslim and their values are incompatible with the west. Every day you read of new terrorist attacks and other crimes committed by Muslims. Best to forcibly deport them all.

[cheekibreeki]

Why did Turks&Albanians became defensive in this thread when at least on this forum they try to pass an image of atheism or non-radicalism?

We could say the same about Greeks , all of you act like atheist but deep inside all of you are orthodox radical scum . The so called modern neo greeks killed and deported their own kind because they followed another religion .

[Kaspias]

I'm with you on the connection of religion-culture/tradition ,for that same reason I respect the one of my country although I'm indifferent to its content and I'd consider myself simply an agnostic.Plus it will always be a powerful conservative/nationalistic opposition.
So personally I wouldn't care about what an atheist says and I'd just ignore him(and op's most posts are ignored so why care) ,your average atheist is as ignorant&dogmatic as any religious fanatic thinking his glorified so-called rationalism&science is the path to a higher divine truth,I put them in the same basket with hypocritic vegans/feminists/egalitarians etc

Although there's a type of atheist that I don't like and it's the one who's also anti-national and whose motivation is to humiliate anything that constitutes of a nation's tradition.

Now from a nationalistic point of view,I wouldn't mind the banning of islam ,maybe an Armenian isn't European but your average European shares more with him than with a Bosnian Muslim,in this case I don't care about Bosnian genetics unless they become Christians or something.

Then why don't we call Europe as Crusaders? Ottomans were part of Europe, accordingly Balkan Muslims are European. Both culturally and genetically. You can see the difference between a Balkan Muslim and Middle Eastern Muslim. When Christianism spreaded across Europe, every ethnic mixed their own pagan culture with Christian religion. At the end they formed their own exclusive culture. Same process for muslims too, nothing is different.

I respect your opinion here actually, i just don't agree. Most of nationalists would think same. But i think genetic is more important factor than religion. Religion only should affect person's him/herself and everyone should be free in their choice.

[Gold-Shekel]

Lol, the Japanese are no measure of humanity. They're pagans who slaughtered thousands, millions, of Chinese (and other) people in horrific conditions (we're not talking beheading infront of a camera). It's like using India as a way to measure women's rights.

I like how you need to look elsewhere to find solutions instead of working with what you have.


OP is just mad that people constantly mistake him for a Muslim.

[Dorian]

We could say the same about Greeks , all of you act like atheist but deep inside all of you are orthodox radical scum . The so called modern neo greeks killed and deported their own kind because they followed another religion .

Lol,come with more original ways to try insulting me at least and read my other previous comment.
I don't care about religion but dats right,when you betray your religion ,you betray your nation too,you're a coward so no problem that we got rid of our weakest members while we also took back the most brave,disobedient&defiant ones who lived in wolf's mouth.

[Gold-Shekel]

Now from a nationalistic point of view,I wouldn't mind the banning of islam ,maybe an Armenian isn't European but your average European shares more with him than with a Bosnian Muslim,in this case I don't care about Bosnian genetics unless they become Christians or something.

The fuck you talking about? :picard1:

Sure an Armenian is closer to a Greek, but there aren't many Armenians chilling with Belgians here, they usually hang around their own kind, even with Turks, Chechens, Georgians and Russians. They share common History and influences, religion is very minimal in building of the way people behave, an Armenian Christian goes to an Armenian church, he is very much like Muslims in that aspect as he does not go to let's say, a Catholic church.

In fact Armenians and Georgians I know have a view of Belgium very similar to what North Africans and Turks have of Belgium, they see it as decadent Western degeneracy, that "Jesus unites us all" is bullshit, especially when most of Europe doesn't believe in Jesus anymore.

You're ignoring History and other influences and basing your reasoning on Religion alone, that doesn't work well. In reality, people from former Communist countries get along better together than people of the same religion because it shaped individuals way more and the only thing people of the same religion agree on is who "deserves" to be genocided, and that's not a good thing to have in common with someone.

[Dick]

Yes

[Dorian]

Then why don't we call Europe as Crusaders? Ottomans were part of Europe, accordingly Balkan Muslims are European. Both culturally and genetically. You can see the difference between a Balkan Muslim and Middle Eastern Muslim. When Christianism spreaded across Europe, every ethnic mixed their own pagan culture with Christian religion. At the end they formed their own exclusive culture. Same process for muslims too, nothing is different.

I respect your opinion here actually, i just don't agree. Most of nationalists would think same. But i think genetic is more important factor than religion. Religion only should affect person's him/herself and everyone should be free in their choice.

Of course if we use such a relativistic approach you're right but what could I say?
It is just that most nationalists approach it by the 4 elements of Herodotus "common language,common blood,common religion&common customs" although you'll see overlap with non-Europeans in some of these.

[Dorian]

The fuck you talking about? :picard1:

Sure an Armenian is closer to a Greek, but there aren't many Armenians chilling with Belgians here, they usually hang around their own kind, even with Turks, Chechens, Georgians and Russians. They share common History and influences, religion is very minimal in building of the way people behave, an Armenian Christian goes to an Armenian church, he is very much like Muslims in that aspect as he does not go to let's say, a Catholic church.

In fact Armenians and Georgians I know have a view of Belgium very similar to what North Africans and Turks have of Belgium, they see it as decadent Western degeneracy, that "Jesus unites us all" is bullshit, especially when most of Europe doesn't believe in Jesus anymore.

You're ignoring History and other influences and basing your reasoning on Religion alone, that doesn't work well. In reality, people from former Communist countries get along better together than people of the same religion because it shaped individuals way more and the only thing people of the same religion agree on is who "deserves" to be genocided, and that's not a good thing to have in common with someone.

Yeah no objection to these,that's the overlap I mentioned to Kaspias.

[Voskos]

Islam no. Muslims on the other hand yes.

[coolfrenchguy]

Islam have many ramifications,and haven't been reformed like in christianity,the wahhabism and the sunnitism is an archaic view ,but because you have so many currents in this religion,different ways of view and interpretations is difficult to generalized to all the believers,for example to my eyes only ,dervishs,sufists, ismaelians and the druzes are the true muslims,they are neoplatonists,metampsychosists,gnostics,esoterics, they are non political (exceptions for the druzes in relation of their geographical location with israel) they are only interrested by the cosmic link with god.they have not cult places,and is only on based on a true initiation,this vision of islam is very interresting.
but unfortunatly they are not the majority,remember 6% of the USA gross domestic product is saudian.
i'am not a big fan of iran,because is still human right problems; but even in iran some great cutivated theologists want seperate the charia law from the civic law.
and iranians are certainly on a way of transition,it's takes time.
banning the radical and archaic movements yes,no for the rest

[KMack]

You should post this question on social media acting like a British Citizen living in Britain. Troll the police on social media and what they say.

[Wanderer]

No. Nothing positive would be accomplished that way.

[Pandur]

listen you little brown fuck i've had enough of your spencerposting and how you keep spamming these fucking threads
also sam harris, christopher hitchens and bernie sanders are fucking retards as well as autism is unstoppable.

[Petros Agapetos]

German court bans mosque’s call to prayer
‘We are victims of our own tolerance in Europe’:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVc3sDLpBg

Austrian Chancellor Removes Radical Mosques and Imams – Western Governments Should Follow his Lead (https://www.defendevropa.com/2019/news/austrian-chancellor-removes-mosques/)

Sebastian Kurz, Austrian Chancellor and the world’s youngest leader at 31-years-old, announced Friday that he would shut down seven mosques and deport up to 60 Turkish backed radical imams and their families back to their homelands due to breaches of a law that bans ‘political Islam’.

The imams facing expulsion are all accused of receiving foreign capital.

The move taken by the 31-year-old Chancellor and Chairman of the Austrian People’s Party has enraged Turkish officials in Ankara.

Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache of the Freedom Party (FPÖ) expressed that this is “just the beginning” of a concerted effort to combat radical Islam and overseas funding of religious groups who aren’t socially compatible with Western democracy.

[lonewolfcypriot]

listen you little brown fuck i've had enough of your spencerposting and how you keep spamming these fucking threads
also sam harris, christopher hitchens and bernie sanders are fucking retards as well as autism is unstoppable.

It's not worth mentioning Richard Spencer name he's irrelevant.

[Pandur]

It's not worth mentioning Richard Spencer name he's irrelevant.

Richard Spencer is a closeted homosexual who beat his wife and left her for a satanist communist, I'm talking about Robert Spencer

[The Lawspeaker]

Banned and every symbol of it either converted or blown up.

[Thorns]

Yes

Your eloquent and thoughtful articulation is most captivating.

[Insuperable]

Yes.

[Thorns]

When in doubt, just google pictures of angry Muslims, if that's not enough, just try harder - and you should eventually reach the proper conclusion.

[♥ Lily ♥]

Yes, because the downright abusive and murderous and fascist Islamic ideology is extremely disrespectful to infidels and it's an offensive ideology to my western democratic culture.

Books such as Mein Kampf are banned in certain nations for inciting violence... yet extremely offensive and abusive books such as the koran (which demands its cult followers to torture and murder people,) aren't banned.

https://kennethharperfinton.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/12208604_980033425352897_7041136503211647923_n.jpe g

Why should we be forced to tolerate the intolerant towards us?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQOCcx5V9RI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1qpCtlh8

[Phenix]

No, no ideology should be banned, everything must be criticisable, islamic problem in Europe is related to immigration, stop the latter and the first will vanish.

[Teutone]

No since its clearly a part of Bosnian and Albanian cultural identity.

Wether I like it or not, as ethnopluralisr I respect it.

[Crn Volk]

Yes, and Australia

[Teutone]

Petros is a communist, hes not just in favor of banning religions, they have a history of killing millions of christians, burning churches and fighting christian ideals.

I rather would bann communism

[The Lawspeaker]

Petros is a communist, hes not just in favor of banning religions, they have a history of killing millions of christians, burning churches and fighting christian ideals.

I rather would bann communism

Ban both Islam and communism.

[Teutone]

Ban both Islam and communism.

No and I said why, I dont like but respect and accept that Islam in Europe is part of the Albanian and Bosniak identity.

[JohnSmith]

Ban both Islam and communism.

Why do you think like this? I am curious because freedom is important to Western values.

[Dacul]

No.
Look at Bosnians, Albanians, they are in theory Islamic as religion but in practice, they just try to follow some code of common sense morals :) .
Most if not all are drinking alcohol, while being Islamic religion and are even eating pig meat :) .
We just need Bosnian and Albanian Muslim preachers which will explain people how to follow this religion :) .
Trust me that in a few time, you will have Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia or Emirates starting to heavily drink alcohol and so on.

[The Lawspeaker]

Why do you think like this? I am curious because freedom is important to Western values.

You can't be tolerant towards those that want you dead and chucked into an unmarked grave. It's either the Leftist/Islamic alliance or us. Which one will you choose ?

[Teutone]

No.
Look at Bosnians, Albanians, they are in theory Islamic as religion but in practice, they just try to follow some code of common sense morals :) .
Most if not all are drinking alcohol, while being Islamic religion and are even eating pig meat :) .
We just need Bosnian and Albanian Muslim preachers which will explain people how to follow this religion :) .
Trust me that in a few time, you will have Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia or Emirates starting to heavily drink alcohol and so on.

Quite the opposite, we should stop Arabian influence on Bosnia, since radicalization is a real problem.

[JohnSmith]

You can't be tolerant towards those that want you dead and chucked into an unmarked grave. It's either the Leftist/Islamic alliance or us. Which one will you choose ?

I really think the Muslims in Europe are probably not like the ones here. There are plenty of tolerant enlighten Muslims out there. In college I had some Muslim friends and they were normal people that no way radical at all.

[The Lawspeaker]

I really think the Muslims in Europe are probably not like the ones here. There are plenty of tolerant enlighten Muslims out there. In college I had some Muslim friends and they were normal people that no way radical at all.

I think you should be wise to trust the judgement who has to share a neighbourhood with them.

[JohnSmith]

I think you should be wise to trust the judgement who has to share a neighbourhood with them.

Are you a Euroskeptic?

[The Lawspeaker]

Are you a Euroskeptic?

Has nothing to do with it but everybody in the right mind should be one.

[Teutone]

I really think the Muslims in Europe are probably not like the ones here. There are plenty of tolerant enlighten Muslims out there. In college I had some Muslim friends and they were normal people that no way radical at all.

There are friendly and not radical people in every ideology, who knows maybe your co worker is a grand wizard of the KKK on weekends, does that say anything about the KKK?

What is impossible for the avarage western idiot, is the fact that there is not just one Islam.

All terrorist attacks we witness in the west were done by wahabi/sunni muslims, meanwhile Shia Islam is responsible for none.

Therfor in my ideal country, if there were a shia minority id grant them completly freedom but quite the opposite for wahabis.

[JohnSmith]

Has nothing to do with it but everybody in the right mind should be one.

What do you think about what Thatcher said 30 years ago? I personally agree with her and think she was right it seems like every-time Europe tries to integrate it ends up becoming more divided.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TPpuIslzG4

[The Lawspeaker]

What do you think about what Thatcher said 30 years ago? I personally agree with her and think she was right it seems like every-time Europe tries to integrate it ends up becoming more divided.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TPpuIslzG4

Ach.. Thatcher the Milk Snatcher. A broken clock can be right twice a day.

[Petros Agapetos]

I would like to see Islam banned in all of Europe with the possible exception of Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia. It is not their fault that they have been Islamized. The blame lies with the Ottoman Empire.

By banning I mean:

1. Stopping the propagation of Islam, so that every active promoter of Islam gets a jail sentence or gets deported out of the country if they are foreign born; just like they do in Japan.

2. Stopping Muslims from coming into European countries. I salute President Trump's ban on a few Muslim countries, but it does not go far enough for me.

3. Teaching European citizens from a young age about Islamic conquests, as well as about the Koran, Hadith, and Islam in general, so that Europeans know why it is necessary to ban Islam and keep Muslims out.

[The Lawspeaker]

I would like to see Islam banned in all of Europe with the possible exception of Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia. It is not their fault that they have been Islamized. The blame lies with the Ottoman Empire.

By banning I mean:

1. Stopping the propagation of Islam, so that every active promoter of Islam gets a jail sentence or gets deported out of the country if they are foreign born; just like they do in Japan.

2. Stopping Muslims from coming into European countries. I salute President Trump's ban on a few Muslim countries, but it does not go far enough for me.

3. Teaching European citizens from a young age about Islamic conquests, as well as about the Koran, Hadith, and Islam in general, so that Europeans know why it is necessary to ban Islam and keep Muslims out.

4. Extent that one to any form of Leftism as well: it is not to be promoted but condemned as Leftists brought in Islamic migrants. It should be their day of reckoning as well.

[Marmara]

There are friendly and not radical people in every ideology, who knows maybe your co worker is a grand wizard of the KKK on weekends, does that say anything about the KKK?

What is impossible for the avarage western idiot, is the fact that there is not just one Islam.

All terrorist attacks we witness in the west were done by wahabi/sunni muslims, meanwhile Shia Islam is responsible for none.

Therfor in my ideal country, if there were a shia minority id grant them completly freedom but quite the opposite for wahabis.

Would you also grant freedom for them to cut themselves in Ashura day?


https://youtu.be/awlKYHz5Mv0

[Ruggery]

There are friendly and not radical people in every ideology, who knows maybe your co worker is a grand wizard of the KKK on weekends, does that say anything about the KKK?

What is impossible for the avarage western idiot, is the fact that there is not just one Islam.

All terrorist attacks we witness in the west were done by wahabi/sunni muslims, meanwhile Shia Islam is responsible for none.

Therfor in my ideal country, if there were a shia minority id grant them completly freedom but quite the opposite for wahabis.

Wait a minute, are you saying that healthy and good Muslims are Shiites?

The ones that produce the violations are the Sunnis?

[Petros Agapetos]

4. Extent that one to any form of Leftism as well: it is not to be promoted but condemned as Leftists brought in Islamic migrants. It should be their day of reckoning as well.

You are right, there is an Islamic-Lefitst Alliance.
Robert Spencer has written a book called "The Complete Infidel's Guide to Free Speech" (and Its Enemies)" in which he targets them. He is a counter-jihad leader.
He often says that Islam and Leftism are similar in that they are authoritarian dictatorships hell-bent on establishing an earthly paradise (Sharia in Islam, Utopia in Communism), and they both bring about this utopia by means of a Procrastean bed.
Procrastes was a Greek tryant. He had a bed. He would made his enemies lie on his bed: if they are taller than the bed their feet were cut until they fit. If they were too short, he wouuld stretch them until they fit the bed. Through Equity. Equality of Outcome.

[The Lawspeaker]

You are right, there is an Islamic-Lefitst Alliance.
Robert Spencer has written a book called "The Complete Infidel's Guide to Free Speech" (and Its Enemies)" in which he targets them. He is a counter-jihad leader.
He often says that Islam and Leftism are similar in that they are authoritarian dictatorships hell-bent on establishing an earthly paradise (Sharia in Islam, Utopia in Communism), and they both bring about this utopia by means of a Procrastean bed.
Procrastes was a Greek tryant. He had a bed. He would made his enemies lie on his bed: if they are taller than the bed their feet were cut until they fit. If they were too short, he wouuld stretch them until they fit the bed. Through Equity. Equality of Outcome.

I agree. And that's why the Left should be destroyed as well. They are collaborators and should thus be treated as such.

[Petros Agapetos]

Slovakia has also banned Islam. Check this video out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqyyos0iDgw

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to2fR8nes-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFmnz4ROEo
Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West, Pediga gathers 25,000 against Islam.

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

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[oszkar07]

It shouldnt be banned, it should be reduced and controlled by extreme reduction of any Islamic immigration.

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

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[Sebastianus Rex]

It will happen sooner or later.

[Petros Agapetos]

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Some of the highest support for stoning is found in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region. In Pakistan (89%) and Afghanistan (85%), more than eight-in-ten Muslims who want Islamic law as their country’s official law say adulterers should be stoned, while nearly as many say the same in the Palestinian territories (84%) and Egypt (81%). A majority also support stoning as a penalty for the unfaithful in Jordan (67%), Iraq (58%). However, support is significantly lower in Lebanon (46%) and Tunisia (44%), where less than half of those who support sharia as the official law of the land believe that adulterers should be stoned.

[Petros Agapetos]

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[Petros Agapetos]

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[rein]

Does Canada need more ethnic enclaves? Shouldn’t natives of Canada try increasing their birth rate from 1.60 to 2.00.

[rein]

Would you also grant freedom for them to cut themselves in Ashura day?


https://youtu.be/awlKYHz5Mv0

Seems like they’re using the dull side of the blade.

[wvwvw]

Rather ban (more) Muslims from entering Europe. Let's not forget that Islam is an Imperialistic tool,with an end goal to overun and conquer the west.

[Petros Agapetos]

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[wvwvw]

We could say the same about Greeks , all of you act like atheist but deep inside all of you are orthodox radical scum . The so called modern neo greeks killed and deported their own kind because they followed another religion .

No, you're an Albo scum. The Orthodox faith poses no danger to non-Orthodox lands. It does not seek to conquer and subjugate them.

Our faith is humanistic and not radical, precisely because it is Greek-influenced. Greeks took the fangs of radicalism out of Christianity.

No the Greeks deported *your kind* people who identified as Turks and Muslims, people that committed crimes against humanity against the Greeks.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqDHy3u9Yc

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8e2cj71CYE




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_nHf2XKwp4&t=265s

Look at the evidence.
Go to 7:30 (minute mark)

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgwAGugPZtU

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTJL9kLSDII&list=PLcn9JKUiagGRUJdfuFuKk4OWX3m1n79BF&index=4

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9re8N39jUNA

[Hungarian_master]

The Christianity should ban in North America, because they killed the Native Indians.

(This is half-joke :D)

[Hungarian_master]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4c/19/02/4c190265e98e4208143c724fef53fa1f--native-quotes-native-american-quotes.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/db/e0/24dbe055519831c0e2c08cb30bdf6976.jpg
https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/HlhMw09sMx_NdkoLCyR4y-7hA4g=/553x708/filters:fill(auto,1)/against-immigration-leaving-56a7549d3df78cf77294af8d.jpg

:D:joker000:

[Teutone]

Would you also grant freedom for them to cut themselves in Ashura day?


https://youtu.be/awlKYHz5Mv0

rather cut themselves than cut us

[Dunai]

No major religion, with a mass following should be banned (Scientology would be the only exception, that BS has to be ended), and I say this as a person who constantly enjoys to have a good laugh on the hypocrisies and contradictions of any religions. However I firmly do believe no religion should be state-funded, and find it highly distasteful when state and religion get intertwined, just like there is a strong tendency in this direction in my Hungary these days.

[Dunai]

No, you're an Albo scum. The Orthodox faith poses no danger to non-Orthodox lands. It does not seek to conquer and subjugate them.

Our faith is humanistic and not radical, precisely because it is Greek-influenced. Greeks took the fangs of radicalism out of Christianity.

No the Greeks deported *your kind* people who identified as Turks and Muslims, people that committed crimes against humanity against the Greeks.

Orthodox being Humanistic? :))) They are like one of the most fundamentalist, Medieval, homophobic, Nationalistic, misogynistic versions of Christianity. At least among certain Protestant denominations, like large parts of Lutherans, you can see Progressive ideals, like equality of sexes in the priesthood, acceptance of Gay marriage, not going on a fearmongering, inhumane campaign against Third-World immigrants.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/4c/19/02/4c190265e98e4208143c724fef53fa1f--native-quotes-native-american-quotes.jpg
:D:joker000:

Native Americans were originally Asians (Siberians) who emigrated to the Americas some 10,000 years ago. The native Americans are the first immigratns. These populations expanded south of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and rapidly throughout both North and South America, by 14,000 years ago. The earliest populations in the Americas, before roughly 10,000 years ago, are known as Paleo-Indians.

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[Hungarian_master]

Native Americans were originally Asians (Siberians) who emigrated to the Americas some 10,000 years ago. The native Americans are the first immigratns. These populations expanded south of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and rapidly throughout both North and South America, by 14,000 years ago. The earliest populations in the Americas, before roughly 10,000 years ago, are known as Paleo-Indians.

http://i68.tinypic.com/316t534.jpg

I wanted to fool! :D

[cheekibreeki]

No, you're an Albo scum. The Orthodox faith poses no danger to non-Orthodox lands. It does not seek to conquer and subjugate them.

Our faith is humanistic and not radical, precisely because it is Greek-influenced. Greeks took the fangs of radicalism out of Christianity.

No the Greeks deported *your kind* people who identified as Turks and Muslims, people that committed crimes against humanity against the Greeks.
I’m orthodox you silly Greek , I just hate radicals such as you who pretend to be atheist .

I just dislike the fact that many people in Balkan were killed in the name of Orthodox religion , mostly committed by radical Serbs and Greeks who gave our religion a bad reputation .

btw your levantine kind won’t scare me let alone deport me lol .

[Petros Agapetos]

I think it would be best if Islam were banned in all of Europe, with the exception of Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia.

Islam is a millitaristic fascist faith as well as a religion. Islam is more politics than religion. It is about spreading Islam to non-Muslim states by immigration or conquest.
Islam separates the world into the world of Islam (dar al Islam) and the world of war (dar al harb). According to Islam, the dar al Islam must always increase at the expense of the dar al harb.

The Year 1 in the Islamic Calendar is when Muhammad became a millitary, political leader of the Muslim community (hijra to Medina). This indicattes that Islam is inherently political in essence.

[Bostonia]

No. Because what will be next? Atheists? No thanks. The best way to inflame an idea is to try to squelch it. Religion as a whole is dying out, it's only a matter of time.

[Wanderer]

I think it would be best if Islam were banned in all of Europe, with the exception of Albania, Kosovo, and Bosnia.

Islam is a millitaristic fascist faith as well as a religion. Islam is more politics than religion. It is about spreading Islam to non-Muslim states by immigration or conquest.
Islam separates the world into the world of Islam (dar al Islam) and the world of war (dar al harb). According to Islam, the dar al Islam must always increase at the expense of the dar al harb.

The Year 1 in the Islamic Calendar is when Muhammad became a millitary, political leader of the Muslim community (hijra to Medina). This indicattes that Islam is inherently political in essence.

In contrast, it is unambiguously antithetical to Christ's teachings to spread our faith by violence. I'm not saying self-proclaimed Christians have never done this--but, to the extent it's been done, it's contravened Christian morals.

[Phenix]

No. Because what will be next? Atheists? No thanks. The best way to inflame an idea is to try to squelch it. Religion as a whole is dying out, it's only a matter of time.

Nicely said.

[Loki]

No. Because what will be next? Atheists? No thanks. The best way to inflame an idea is to try to squelch it. Religion as a whole is dying out, it's only a matter of time.

Oh, really? I think atheism is dying out. In fact, it really is only a matter of time. One day there will be zero atheists left, because everyone in heaven and hell would know that there is a God. So... you are deluded.

[Ayetooey]

Oh, really? I think atheism is dying out. In fact, it really is only a matter of time. One day there will be zero atheists left, because everyone in heaven and hell would know that there is a God. So... you are deluded.

Well said. Further more, what she said wasn't even factually correct. Religion is growing, not dying out.

[rein]

Well said. Further more, what she said wasn't even factually correct. Religion is growing, not dying out.

Don’t forget the church on Sunday.

[Loki]

Well said. Further more, what she said wasn't even factually correct. Religion is growing, not dying out.

Almost the only place where the Christian religion is under pressure is in the Unites States, Canada and Western Europe. Because they have widely accepted the satanic social order, and because their spiritual fight is intense because they were the original Christian strongholds. But Christianity is growing rapidly in almost all other parts of the world, even in the Islamic world... under persecution. But under persecution it actually grows the fastest. A sure sign that it is the only truth.

[Creoda]

Atheism is a death cult and an evolutionary dead end. Atheists are outbred by the religious, in the case of Europe that is Muslims; but that's of no concern to the average atheist leftist, who can only see white christians as a religious threat.

[Ayetooey]

Almost the only place where the Christian religion is under pressure is in the Unites States, Canada and Western Europe. Because they have widely accepted the satanic social order, and because they spiritual fight is intense because they were the original Christian strongholds. But Christianity is growing rapidly in almost all other parts of the world, even in the Islamic world... under persecution. But under persecution it actually grows the fastest. A sure sign that it is the only truth.

Indeed. Even in China, Christianity is surging. From 3 million in the 1980's, to upwards of 100 million in 2018/19

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

https://www.inkstonenews.com/china/christianity-protestant-church/article/2133812

[Ayetooey]

Atheism is a death cult and an evolutionary dead end. Atheists are outbred by the religious, in the case of Europe that is Muslims; but that's of no concern to the average atheist leftist, who can only see white christians as a religious threat.

Even in the USA, which lacks the same amount of Islamic immigration, Atheists will be outbred by Latino Christians.

[Phenix]

Well said. Further more, what she said wasn't even factually correct. Religion is growing, not dying out.

It depends on your point of view and population under study, for example the political elite is fanatically religious wherever you go, we live in a religiously charged epoch so to speak, but masses can either get more religious or secular depending on satisfaction from the elite and access to education, in Latin America people are fleeing churches like never before, in MENA a tiny irreligious breakthrough is observable, Western Europe is home of a zombie Catholicism and church attendance don't exceed 5% in Sunday, on the other hand Eastern Europe is rediscovering its religious past. So you can't throw a simple answer without establishing the demographic frontier.

[Ayetooey]

It depends on your point of view and population under study, for example the political elite is fanatically religious wherever you go, we live in a religiously charged epoch so to speak, but masses can either get more religious or secular depending on satisfaction from the elite and access to education, in Latin America people are fleeing churches like never before, in MENA a tiny irreligious breakthrough is observable, Western Europe is home of a zombie Catholicism and church attendance don't exceed 5% in Sunday, on the other hand Eastern Europe is rediscovering its religious past. So you can't throw a simple answer without establishing the demographic frontier.

Even within non secular populations, few actually describe themselves as "Athiests" though, at best secular, or non religious. Sure church attendence is low, but I doubt when probed these people would describe themselves as full blown Atheists. Most non believers from my experience still accept or flirt with the possibility of some form of higher power, and are more agonostic or simply confused. Actual numbers of fully fledged Athiests are low.

[Loki]

Indeed. Even in China, Christianity is surging. From 3 million in the 1980's, to upwards of 100 million in 2018/19

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10776023/China-on-course-to-become-worlds-most-Christian-nation-within-15-years.html

https://www.inkstonenews.com/china/christianity-protestant-church/article/2133812

Yes, China is rapidly becoming the world's foremost Christian country... it will surpass the United States soon.

[Loki]

It depends on your point of view and population under study, for example the political elite is fanatically religious wherever you go,

Erm... it's actually the opposite. The European elite, for example, is anti-Christian. And the American elite too...

[Loki]

Having said that, Islam cannot be regarded in the same light as Christianity or most other religions for that matter. I do think it wouldn't do any harm to ban Islam. It is a murderous and anti-God cult.

[Phenix]

Even within non secular populations, few actually describe themselves as "Athiests" though, at best secular, or non religious. Sure church attendence is low, but I doubt when probed these people would describe themselves as full blown Atheists. Most non believers from my experience still accept or flirt with the possibility of some form of higher power, and are more agonostic or simply confused. Actual numbers of fully fledged Athiests are low.

Correct, but where? in UK probably, do you have an experience with Chinese and Japanese on this subject? they are two big demographic power and their society is strongly atheist, Christians in China are less than half what web articles you linked claim.
It's truth that atheists are a minority within the irreligious categories, but look at it from another perspective, is not the world in a terrible shape because of how religious our epoch is?

[Ayetooey]

Correct, but where? in UK probably, do you have an experience with Chinese and Japanese on this subject? they are two big demographic power and their society is strongly atheist, Christians in China are less than half what web articles you linked claim.
It's truth that atheists are a minority within the irreligious categories, but look at it from another perspective, is not the world in a terrible shape because of how religious our epoch is?

Every article I've read on China has numbers at similar levels. It's difficult to know the true numbers, but it's clear after years of religious opression Christianity is surging in China. I would say the numbers are an underestimation if anything, people have more of a reason to lie about not being a Christian in China.

Japan still has historical religious and spirituality within its culture. It is one example of a highly secular/athieistic society, but Japan has strange social norms, especially in terms of relationships, and a high suicide rate, it is hardly a nation I'd like to follow or emulate culturally.

[Phenix]

Erm... it's actually the opposite. The European elite, for example, is anti-Christian. And the American elite too...

Don't add words to my speech please, I wrote "the elite are fanatically religious everywhere you go", not that they are Christian, I am in accord with on something, they are anti-christian in the West, religiously anti-christian to be exact, and mostly adhering to a reversed Catholicity claiming enlightenment, some sort of Luciferian cults, still they are religious, not atheist.

[Loki]

Christians in China are less than half what web articles you linked claim.


No, Christians in China are most likely above 100 million... because most Christian groups are congregating in secret, the house church movement in China alone is estimated to number around 80 million. I honestly think within a decade, or less, these numbers could double to around 200 million or more. Just take South Korea as a model... which is already a third Christian! And in China, Christianity is much more dynamic than it is even in South Korea nowadays...

[Phenix]

Every article I've read on China has numbers at similar levels. It's difficult to know the true numbers, but it's clear after years of religious opression Christianity is surging in China. I would say the numbers are an underestimation if anything, people have more of a reason to lie about not being a Christian in China.

Japan still has historical religious and spirituality within its culture. It is one example of a highly secular/athieistic society, but Japan has strange social norms, especially in terms of relationships, and a high suicide rate, it is hardly a nation I'd like to follow or emulate culturally.

For China, I'm sure the ruling party will deal with Christianity when best time come.

Japan Shintoism is a lifestyle, a mindset, and traditions, it can suit any religious thinking, as for emulating their model, it's funny coming from a Brit to say that, maybe a serious critique of Anglo-Saxon communitarian model will be better for the Five-Eyes nations, Japanese ill is curable, I wonder if the Western is. But you're half right Japanese are uncopyable.

[Loki]

Don't add words to my speech please, I wrote "the elite are fanatically religious everywhere you go", not that they are Christian, I am in accord with on something, they are anti-christian in the West, religiously anti-christian to be exact, and mostly adhering to a reversed Catholicity claiming enlightenment, some sort of Luciferian cults, still they are religious, not atheist.

Well... certainly... if you include Freemasonry cults as "religion". Organised atheism can also be considered a religion. And so can evolution. But to me, "religion" doesn't mean much... and doesn't tell me much either. I don't regard Christianity as a religion. Yes, perhaps traditional denominations can be regarded as such. But the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a religion. It is a truth and a lifestyle.

[Loki]

For China, I'm sure the ruling party will deal with Christianity when best time come.



lol.. they've been "dealing with it" for decades. The result? Explosive growth. And that is what the Christian faith does. Persecution is like throwing petrol onto a fire. It does not quench it but it has the opposite effect. You can also see what happened when Rome persecuted the early church. Before long, the church took over Rome... The reason for all this is because Christianity is not a manmade thing... but a spiritual power. And God can cause even the staunchest Communist government officials to become Christians, if he wanted.

[Phenix]

No, Christians in China are most likely above 100 million... because most Christian groups are congregating in secret, the house church movement in China alone is estimated to number around 80 million. I honestly think within a decade, or less, these numbers could double to around 200 million or more. Just take South Korea as a model... which is already a third Christian! And in China, Christianity is much more dynamic than it is even in South Korea nowadays...

Either we start with facts about ethno-religious-mathematics or stop this, even if they are 300 millions, I won't think they will take head of Chinese society, China is an empire not a nation, it will defend it's balance disregarding if this will coast a carnage, Muslims detention camps are a terribly good example.
Having worked around hundreds of Chinese and living near them, I can say no one is Christian in the majority proletarian class.

[Joso]

WTF is isam?

[Joso]

Either we start with facts about ethno-religious-mathematics or stop this, even if they are 300 millions, I won't think they will take head of Chinese society, China is an empire not a nation, it will defend it's balance disregarding if this will coast a carnage, Muslims detention camps are a terribly good example.
Having worked around hundreds of Chinese and living near them, I can say no one is Christian in the majority proletarian class.

China's populations is enormous, if many aren't, many can be.

[Joso]

Either we start with facts about ethno-religious-mathematics or stop this, even if they are 300 millions, I won't think they will take head of Chinese society, China is an empire not a nation, it will defend it's balance disregarding if this will coast a carnage, Muslims detention camps are a terribly good example.
Having worked around hundreds of Chinese and living near them, I can say no one is Christian in the majority proletarian class.

Also Chinese will not just say easily that they are Christian, because of repression

[Loki]

Either we start with facts about ethno-religious-mathematics or stop this, even if they are 300 millions, I won't think they will take head of Chinese society, China is an empire not a nation, it will defend it's balance disregarding if this will coast a carnage, Muslims detention camps are a terribly good example.
Having worked around hundreds of Chinese and living near them, I can say no one is Christian in the majority proletarian class.

Yeah, Rome was an empire too... lol.

Whether you met a Christian Chinese person yet or not, is irrelevant. There are 1.3 billion Chinese.

I'm not saying all Chinese will become Christians. Of course not. Good things are always more scarce.

[Phenix]

Well... certainly... if you include Freemasonry cults as "religion". Organised atheism can also be considered a religion. And so can evolution. But to me, "religion" doesn't mean much... and doesn't tell me much either. I don't regard Christianity as a religion. Yes, perhaps traditional denominations can be regarded as such. But the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a religion. It is a truth and a lifestyle.

Yes I consider the first group to be a religion antinomic to Catholicism, atheism is not in spite of being state propelled sometimes, the funniest example is the dechristianization of France in late 19th/early 20th century made by... fanatic free-masons. Evolution is a scientific theory nothing to do with the subject.
Christianity would have been much kinder if people like you ruled the church, sadly it's an institution more than a lifestyle, it's the basis of catholic zombification concept, Shintoism and Taoism are lifestyles.

[Ayetooey]

For China, I'm sure the ruling party will deal with Christianity when best time come.

Japan Shintoism is a lifestyle, a mindset, and traditions, it can suit any religious thinking, as for emulating their model, it's funny coming from a Brit to say that, maybe a serious critique of Anglo-Saxon communitarian model will be better for the Five-Eyes nations, Japanese ill is curable, I wonder if the Western is. But you're half right Japanese are uncopyable.
I don't know what that means. I don't support Britains social secularism or social models nor am I a fan of the church of England, I fully accept my views aren't in the majority here.

[Phenix]

I don't know what that means. I don't support Britains secularism or social models nor am I a fan of the church of England, I fully accept my views aren't in the majority here.

Good critiques come always from outside, don't they?

[Phenix]

Yeah, Rome was an empire too... lol.

Whether you met a Christian Chinese person yet or not, is irrelevant. There are 1.3 billion Chinese.

I'm not saying all Chinese will become Christians. Of course not. Good things are always more scarce.

My phrase was not a funny ending, nor a bluster, but rather a prediction of a bloodbath in China if Christianity continue to grow as you affirm.

[Loki]

Yes I consider the first group to be a religion antinomic to Catholicism, atheism is not in spite of being state propelled sometimes, the funniest example is the dechristianization of France in late 19th/early 20th century made by... fanatic free-masons. Evolution is a scientific theory nothing to do with the subject.
Christianity would have been much kinder if people like you ruled the church, sadly it's an institution more than a lifestyle, it's the basis of catholic zombification concept, Shintoism and Taoism are lifestyles.

Yeah, I'm allergic to institutional Christianity that is not spiritual but just a tradition of the country. To me that is Christianity that has lost its life-changing power, lost its flavour.

What happened in France was possible because they chased out all the Huguenots a century or so earlier, who were the spiritual pillars of the country.

[Loki]

My phrase was not a funny ending, nor a bluster, but rather a prediction of a bloodbath in China if Christianity continue to grow as you affirm.

Yes... that is quite possible.

[catgeorge]

Well Christianity is banned in Turkey.
Well Christianity is banned in North Cyprus

All Christians are ethnically cleansed and Agia Sofia is tuned into a relic dying.

The hypocrisy in Islam is disgusting. It spreads like infested cockroaches.

So my answer is an absolute yes and with brute force.

[Phenix]

Having said that, Islam cannot be regarded in the same light as Christianity or most other religions for that matter. I do think it wouldn't do any harm to ban Islam. It is a murderous and anti-God cult.

What's the limit to liberty of expression, and what censorship red lines to draw? this is a frequent question I ask, I want to know everyone's opinion about.


WTF is isam?

A death cult and rigid political system.

[Loki]

Well Christianity is banned in Turkey.


Really? I didn't know that...

[Loki]

What's the limit to liberty of expression, and what censorship red lines to draw? this is a frequent question I ask, I want to know everyone's opinion about.


That's a difficult question. Whilst it's easy to say "ban Islam", in practice it opens a can of worms... it's a slippery slope unfortunately. That's why most people don't like any religion to be banned... because the tables can always turn.

[Phenix]

Yeah, I'm allergic to institutional Christianity that is not spiritual but just a tradition of the country. To me that is Christianity that has lost its life-changing power, lost its flavour.

What happened in France was possible because they chased out all the Huguenots a century or so earlier, who were the spiritual pillars of the country.

Calvinism and Gallican Catholicism could have saved Christianity in France, but the triumph of Ultramontanism in mid 19th century after a series of counter-revolutions prefaced the destruction of Christianism, because it was rigid and anti-national in opposition to romantic nationalism of that era, Ultramontanism lost forever, and now the decadence and shame can nibble the rotting corpse of Vatican II.

[Loki]

Calvinism and Gallican Catholicism could have saved Christianity in France, but the triumph of Ultramontanism in mid 19th century after a series of counter-revolutions prefaced the destruction of Christianism, because it was rigid and anti-national in opposition to romantic nationalism of that era, Ultramontanism lost forever, and now the decadence and shame can nibble the rotting corpse of Vatican II.

Ultramontanism? :confused:

[Phenix]

That's a difficult question. Whilst it's easy to say "ban Islam", in practice it opens a can of worms... it's a slippery slope unfortunately. That's why most people don't like any religion to be banned... because the tables can always turn.

Youpi, we managed to get off the off-topic and resettle on the original subject, I think nothing must be censored as a fair first rule in political debate, although sure that Muslims won't act fair on this one, but banning Islam is counter productive, it will sent a terrible boost for them, and make anti-Islam look reactionary in the popular opinion, and why doing that anyway? to sustain the globalist system and fix it's faults to better muzzle the opposition afterwards? hell no!
I define as a disciple of the "destroy to rebuild" doctrine.

[Phenix]

Ultramontanism? :confused:

It's a branch of Catholic church wanting to subjugate the civil authority to papal and ecclesiastic one, pretty much the Italian/Spanish Catholicism, opposed to Gallicanism or the confederate French Catholicism I must say.

[Loki]

Youpi, we managed to get off the off-topic and resettle on the original subject, I think nothing must be censored as a fair first rule in political debate, although sure that Muslims won't act fair on this one, but banning Islam is counter productive, it will sent a terrible boost for them, and make anti-Islam look reactionary in the popular opinion, and why doing that anyway? to sustain the globalist system and fix it's faults to better muzzle the opposition afterwards? hell no!
I define as a disciple of the "destroy to rebuild" doctrine.

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

[Loki]

It's a branch of Catholic church wanting to subjugate the civil authority to papal and ecclesiastic one, pretty much the Italian/Spanish Catholicism, opposed to Gallicanism or the confederate French Catholicism I must say.

Oh, that's interesting... I didn't know about that. The name is rather misleading, though, since it reminds me of Montanism, which was a spiritual revival movement in the early church, kinda like early Pentecostals. Of course, sadly, they were labelled heretics by the Roman Catholic Church, and persecuted.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

+1!!!!

[Phenix]

Actually, the reality is that, in the Islamic world, Christianity is as good as banned... and we (our governments) need to take them up on that hypocrisy and demand equal treatment in their countries too. It's rather extraordinary that you won't find many Muslim voices in the West bemoaning the Muslim treatment of other religions in Islamic countries.

No need to equally treating those who don't participate in a crime by malignancy, the criminal inheritance and transmission of the fault are not European principles, neither in Greek logos or Christian charity, remember Europe is build on these two pillars, renouncing on them for security measures will sign an end for Europe even if guards its racial homogeneity, civilization is more than just a skin color or few rituals, it's a creed of intrinsic values.
To deal with this, one have to go chronologically, muslim problem in the West is a consequence of uncontrolled yet legal immigration, deal with this problematic under the regular jurisprudence and the islamic problem will go by itself, having studied the dilemma from various prisms, I can assure that Islam doesn't represent 1/10th of Western illness.


I don't know what that means. I don't support Britains social secularism or social models nor am I a fan of the church of England, I fully accept my views aren't in the majority here.

Here, I waited so one of you can give a wire and show you what communitarian societal model means, it's not a clear answer but a demonstration since both of you are Anglos, it didn't take much time, my critique of the British society is pushing reclusion and incessant divide withing the organic collectivity, transmission of the fault is the best example, very tribal and unsophisticated way of response (but efficient sometimes I admit). Let us not get off-topic again, I just hate to let some terms and concepts unexplained, I'll open a thread (with a poll) soon and discuss the subject wholly.

[Ayetooey]

No need to equally treating those who don't participate in a crime by malignancy, the criminal inheritance and transmission of the fault are not European principles, neither in Greek logos or Christian charity, remember Europe is build on these two pillars, renouncing on them for security measures will sign an end for Europe even if guards its racial homogeneity, civilization is more than just a skin color or few rituals, it's a creed of intrinsic values.
To deal with this, one have to go chronologically, muslim problem in the West is a consequence of uncontrolled yet legal immigration, deal with this problematic under the regular jurisprudence and the islamic problem will go by itself, having studied the dilemma from various prisms, I can assure that Islam doesn't represent 1/10th of Western illness.



Here, I waited so one of you can give a wire and show you what communitarian societal model means, it's not a clear answer but a demonstration since both of you are Anglos, it didn't take much time, my critique of the British society is pushing reclusion and incessant divide withing the organic collectivity, transmission of the fault is the best example, very tribal and unsophisticated way of response (but efficient sometimes I admit). Let us not get off-topic again, I just hate to let some terms and concepts unexplained, I'll open a thread (with a poll) soon and discuss the subject wholly.

What have you smoked and can I have some?

[Petros Agapetos]

Please vote on the poll.

[Petros Agapetos]

List the reasons why Islam should be banned in Europe, USA, and Canada.

I would ban the propagation of Islam - prostheletization - so that Islam does not spread. I would deport out of the country anyone who actively propagates Islam or even a jail sentence (as they do in Japan).

I would also urge that Western governments no longer take any more Muslim immigrants. In order for the ban to be successful it should target 15% - 25% of Muslims who are radical Muslims. Unfortunately, the majority of Muslims would be inconvenienced by this travel ban. But this is the only way to ensure we don't bring in people amongst whom there will be an unknowable number of people who wish us harm.

I would shut down Islamic schools for children. I wouldn't let Muslims brainwash their children into Islam.

[Anglojew]

Clearly

[The Lawspeaker]

Clearly

Starting last week. What am I saying ? They should have started it forty years ago or right after we sent the last Moor and Turk packing.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcucdpCKI8A
Robert Spencer Moment: If You Don’t Want to Assimilate, Don’t Come

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QC_qEyl0Q

American Muslims prefer sharia law over American law.
American Muslims want to criminalize insulting the prophet Muhammad.

[Petros Agapetos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MEQ2v-8CQE

[amXman]

example : i listen bob marley , wear same as bob marley , think same as bob marley smoke hachich same as bob ..etc
can u ban me from doing that ?!!!
since i dont harm u , u shouldnt harm me , u want me be ur doll , i can also make u my doll .
if u want blabla things, jesus is belong to the area that called arab and not to europ, why dont u ban christian and jews too ?!!
am originaly italian , and was jewish and now muslim , can you kick me from my ancestors land because am muslim ?!!

[Petros Agapetos]

Islam is not just a religion. It is first and foremost a political ideology.
The year 1 in the Islamic calendar is NOT

1. When Muhammad was born
2. When Muhammad died
3. When Muhammad became a prophet

Rather the first year is the year of the "Hijra" the immigration from Mecca to Medina. This is when Muhammad becomes a political and military leader of the Muslim community.
Islam is inherently political in its nature.

Just because Islam is a religion should not give it any special protections from fair criticism. We should think of Islam as a millitary, and socio-political ideology first and foremost, and only secondarily a religion. Islam is about establishing sharia law over non-Muslim states in order to subjugate, exile, convert, or kill non-believers, until all religion is for Allah.