N1c in Balts came with Finnic admixture?

[Peterski]

Bronze Age Balts published so far were all R1a, but Early Medieval (MA) Balt DA171 (ca. 350-650 AD) had N1c. I tried to model DA171 autosomally as a mixture of Bronze Age (BA) Balts and modern Non-Baltic populations, to check if he had any extra admixture that possibly arrived together with N1c.

Here is a rather good model that I got:

Lithuania-MA (DA171):

Latvia-BA 52.5 %
Poland_Sudovia 20.5 %
Belarus_Vitebsk 18.6 %
Finland_Karelia 8.4 %
Lithuania-BA 0%

Map showing location of DA171 burial:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/54.453/28.459

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Before you ask, I wasn't using Global25 for this model. Is DA171 also available in Global25 spreadsheet?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Obviously lol

[Peterski]

Obviously lol

Nope, it is not so obvious, there is another theory according to which it came to the Baltic states from Scandinavia.

Swedes also have a lot of N1c. And I think that it is also due to their substantial Swedicized Finno-Ugric ancestry.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Nope, it is not so obvious, there is another theory according to which it came to the Baltic states from Scandinavia.

Swedes also have a lot of N1c. And I think that it is also due to their substantial Swedicized Finno-Ugric ancestry.

Lol. N1c comes from asia it isn't Balto Slavic marker but uralic. Original Balts Were R1a

[Peterski]

Lol. N1c comes from asia it isn't Balto Slavic marker but uralic. Original Balts Were R1a

But N1c is common in Sweden and for example the Rurikid dynasty was also N1c, at least according to one theory.

According to another theory Rurik was I2a but Ingegerd cheated on Yaroslav (I2a) with Olaf II who was N1c. See:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258329-I2a1b-CTS10228-Rurikids

[Peterski]

N1c comes from asia

Yes, but thousands of years ago. First N1c men probably entered Europe (after crossing the Ural Mountains) around year 5500 BC. Maybe later.

[Kaspias]

Baltic_IA: DA171: 3.8574

Baltic BA 95
Levanluhta IA 4
Altai IA 1

[Luke35]

Yes, but thousands of years ago. First N1c men probably entered Europe (after crossing the Ural Mountains) around year 5500 BC. Maybe later.

I'm N1c via Hungary. This was a 23andMe prediction. I have sent a sample to YSEQ. I'll report the results when they arrive.

[Aren]

But N1c is common in Sweden and for example the Rurikid dynasty was also N1c, at least according to one theory.

According to another theory Rurik was I2a but Ingegerd cheated on Yaroslav (I2a) with Olaf II who was N1c. See:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?258329-I2a1b-CTS10228-Rurikids

Swedish N1c is recent, from the Viking age and later on.

[Peterski]

Swedish N1c is recent, from the Viking age and later on.

How do you know this?

I mean we have Viking Age samples from Sigtuna with N1c, but we don't have any Iron/Bronze Age samples from Northern Sweden.

[Aren]

How do you know this?

I mean we have Viking Age samples from Sigtuna with N1c, but we don't have any Iron/Bronze Age samples from Northern Sweden.

Northern Sweden wasn't Swedish at that time. We do have a sample from southern Sweden just before the Viking era and that sample is I1.

[Peterski]

Northern Sweden wasn't Swedish at that time.

What about areas like Eastern Svealand, Gästrikland and Hälsingland?

[Aren]

What about areas like Eastern Svealand, Gästrikland and Hälsingland?

The Finnic adxmiture in Svealand is very recent as is indicated by the fact that this region of Sweden is quite diverse and the population hasn't really standardized yet. I've found people from Eastern Sweden scoring 100% Norwegian/Danish-like and others who can be modelled as 50-60% Finnish.