Thousands Of Dads Left Shocked As DIY Paternity Tests Soar

[The Lawspeaker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBszUaeokY

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[Dick]

NPEs have been going on since the dawn of time

[ixulescu]

thousands of how many tested? what's the percentage?

[The Lawspeaker]

thousands of how many tested? what's the percentage?

The video doesn't mention that but the number, in itself, is quite shocking. I think paternity tests should be made standard as a prerequisite for reporting the birth of a child.

[ixulescu]

The video doesn't mention that but the number, in itself, is quite shocking. I think paternity tests should be made standard as a prerequisite for reporting the birth of a child.

I don't think so. It's better for the child to be raised by a family instead of a single parent.

I have no idea how much of a problem this really is. And the magnitude of this issue most likely differs from country to country.
So before I explode in anger I'll wait for some statistics.

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't think so. It's better for the child to be raised by a family instead of a single parent.

I have no idea how much of a problem this really is. And the magnitude of this issue most likely differs from country to country.
So before I explode in anger I'll wait for some statistics.
I think that those men who raise someone else's children without their knowledge have, effectively, been the victims of fraud and, yes, those children should be given to the mother who then has to give the victim of fraud due compensation (both financially and emotionally). She should receive no handouts from the State and no money from her ex.

[ixulescu]

I think that those men who raise someone else's children without their knowledge have, effectively, been the victims of fraud and, yes, those children should be given to the mother who then has to give the victim of fraud due compensation (both financially and emotionally). She should receive no handouts from the State and no money from her ex.

This punishes the child more than the perpetrator.

The best thing is to choose the marriage partner wisely.
I don't want the state to solve every domestic problem.

[The Lawspeaker]

This punishes the child more than the perpetrator.

The best thing is to choose the marriage partner wisely.
I don't want the state to solve every domestic problem.

No. It would punish the perpetrator. The child can always be taken away and be awarded to other parents with the mother still being held financially responsible.
The State has been used to crush fathers (and men in general), now let the State be used to exact justice.

[Phenix]

Most shocking info of the day, and to continue the good news flow, some countries forbid paternity tests (like France) forcing men to accept cuckolding alloparenting. Ultimate humiliation form designed just for you, I read in an old statistic that the paternity fraud are somewhat in the range of 1% to 5% around the world.

Nearly half of men who take paternity test are not the real father

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/paternity-test-father-bioclinics-group-12399580

One in 50 British fathers unknowingly raises another man's child

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/one-in-50-british-fathers-unknowingly-raise-another-mans-child/

[ixulescu]

The State has been used to crush fathers (and men in general)

True, that's why I want the least amount of state intervention in domestic disputes.

[Ülev]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegony_(pregnancy)

[The Lawspeaker]

True, that's why I want the least amount of state intervention in domestic disputes.

Which should continue the cucking of men.

[The Lawspeaker]

Most shocking info of the day, and to continue the good news flow, some countries forbid paternity tests (like France) forcing men to accept cuckolding alloparenting. Ultimate humiliation form designed just for you, I read in an old statistic that the paternity fraud are somewhat in the range of 1% to 5% around the world.

Nearly half of men who take paternity test are not the real father

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/business-news/paternity-test-father-bioclinics-group-12399580

One in 50 British fathers unknowingly raises another man's child

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/parenting/one-in-50-british-fathers-unknowingly-raise-another-mans-child/

It wouldn't surprise me if MGTOW was exploding in countries like France and the UK..

[Phenix]

I don't want the state to solve every domestic problem.

And I don't want the state to be.
But for statists what's the state's role if not to insure justice, equitability, and defending moral values?

Would you accept with me that in an ultra-liberal anarchic society, killing a cheater is morally justified?

[Dacul]

Not one of these threads again....
Ethnicity and behavior is given by the human spirit not by the genes.

[Phenix]

Not one of these threads again....
Ethnicity and behavior is given by the human spirit not by genes.

It's about sexual cheating, paternity frauds, and the establishment of a tyrannical pornocracy (gynocracy was too soft apparently).

[ixulescu]

Which should continue the cucking of men.

Right now many laws are biased against men, and so is prosecution. The justice system needs serious change.

However, the system should also protect the minors. And it's a simple fact that children are less negatively affected when raised by a single mother rather than a single father. In this respect, men will take some pain to accommodate children needs.

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

that girl i mentioned a few weeks ago , still hasn't been back in touch with me

and i reckon it's a 50:50 i'm the dad of her daughter born in december

how can i get a paternity test done on the kid...if she doesnt want to get in touch ?

[The Lawspeaker]

Right now many laws are biased against men, and so is prosecution. The justice system needs serious change.

However, the system should also protect the minors. And it's a simple fact that children are less negatively affected when raised by a single mother rather than a single father. In this respect, men will take some pain to accommodate children needs.

The system will then protect minors by awarding them to responsible parents who then take care of them. At the expense of the mother (who also has to pay off the "father"). What you suggest is to do what we do now: to punish husbands who have been cheated on.

[ixulescu]

The system will then protect minors by awarding them to responsible parents who then take care of them. At the expense of the mother (who also has to pay off the "father"). What you suggest is to do what we do now: to punish fathers.

The outcome of child institutionalization is always worse than being raised by a single mother. That's not a solution.

And make no mistake, being single mother is no walk in the park.

[Phenix]

It wouldn't surprise me if MGTOW was exploding in countries like France and the UK..

It will.
https://i.imgur.com/K7J0tRZ.png

[The Lawspeaker]

The outcome of child institutionalization is always worse than being raised by a single mother. That's not a solution.

And make no mistake, being single mother is no walk in the park.

You don't need to tell me that. So, you propose that the victims of paternal fraud are still to be held responsible for the illegitimate spawn's well-being. In other words: for you fraud is o.k when there is a female perpetrator and a male victim.

[ixulescu]

You don't need to tell me that. So, you propose that the victims of paternal fraud are still to be held responsible for the illegitimate spawn's well-being. In other words: for you fraud is o.k when there is a female perpetrator and a male victim.

No, what I disagree with are state mandated paternity tests.
Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.

However, once the cat is out of the bag all bets are off.

[The Lawspeaker]

No, what I disagree with are state mandated paternity tests.
Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.

However, once the cat is out of the bag all bets are off.

You proved my point here: you want the man to be held responsible for his wife's philandering and her illegitimate spawn. You, sir, are a cuck.

[Phenix]

No, what I disagree with are state mandated paternity tests.
Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.

However, once the cat is out of the bag all bets are off.

Would you answer my previous questions? I am interested in knowing your thoughts about it.

[ixulescu]

You proved my point here: you want the man to be held responsible for his wife's philandering and her illegitimate spawn. You, sir, are a cuck.

Thanks :)
Like I said, mind who your partner with. Complaining in court is too late, you've been cucked already.

[The Lawspeaker]

Thanks :)
Like I said, mind who your partner with. Complaining in court is too late, you've been cucked already.

Not exactly. I don't think you know how many people can hide their true selves and women are better at that game than anyone else. Particularly since they have the full backing of the State (particularly in countries like France) to cover their arses.

[KMack]

No, what I disagree with are state mandated paternity tests.
Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.

However, once the cat is out of the bag all bets are off.

Totally against that. However if a woman claims X is the Dad, then X of course can challenge that with a DNA test. Married or not.

[ixulescu]

Not exactly. I don't think you know how many people can hide their true selves and women are better at that game than anyone else.

dude, seriously. you've been cucked by the anti-cuck movement. relax.

[The Lawspeaker]

dude, seriously. you've been cucked by the anti-cuck movement. relax.

Evidently the available figures and the laws in question disagree with you. The problem is there. Deal with it.

[ixulescu]

Evidently the available figures and the laws in question disagree with you. The problem is there. Deal with it.

If you're talking about laws, like divorce laws, I'm with you.
But state involvement on who's cheating on who, no, I'm against it.

You think only women cheat?
How about a dude takes a paternity test and a state maintained DNA database matches him with the child of a different woman. What then?

[The Lawspeaker]

If you're talking about laws, like divorce laws, I'm with you.
But state involvement on who's cheating on who, no, I'm against it.

You think only women cheat?
How about a dude takes a paternity test and a state maintained DNA database matches him with the child of a different woman. What then?

You don't agree because you propose that nothing changes If he would have a child with another woman then his wife should have the full right to divorce him and to claim damages from him (of course). But we're talking about female cheating here.

[ixulescu]

You don't agree because you propose that nothing changes If he would have a child with another woman then his wife should have the full right to divorce him and to claim damages from him (of course). But we're talking about female cheating here.

I already mentioned I want the divorce laws changed.
I disagreed with the mandatory paternity tests and more severe punishment for the mother, if she's going to be the parent raising the child.

But let's further see the consequences of mandatory paternity tests.
When it comes to cheating, it is generally agreed that more men cheat with fewer but more promiscuous women. Therefore, mandatory paternity tests will impact negatively more men than women. Are you up for this?

[Dacul]

Simple fact:
If a woman cheats her husband she is cheating her husband with another male.
Is that right or not?
Now, please do not come with non-sense like the males cannot abstain.
They surely can.

And to impregnate a woman you need to not use a condom either.

If character traits would have been passed by genes,lol,how come that from normal parents are born geniuses and from geniuses parents, normal people?

What if some male impregnate another woman's male and that male which was cheated divorce his wife.
And the cheating woman comes and asks the male that impregnated her financial assistance to raise the child?
Lol.

[The Lawspeaker]

I already mentioned I want the divorce laws changed.
I disagreed with the mandatory paternity tests and more severe punishment for the mother, if she's going to be the parent raising the child.

But let's further see the consequences of mandatory paternity tests.
When it comes to cheating, it is generally agreed that more men cheat with fewer but more promiscuous women. Therefore, mandatory paternity tests will impact negatively more men than women. Are you up for this?
You don't want anything changed because you propose to continue to do things as they are. And, no, it would effect women because they have to proof that their husband is the father.

[ixulescu]

You don't want anything changed because you propose to continue to do things as they are. And, no, it would effect women because they have to proof that their husband is the father.

More men cheat, but fewer times than cheating women, so more men will be found as cheaters if paternity test would be mandatory.

And why are you downvoting me? I thought we were having a conversation here.

[The Lawspeaker]

More men cheat, but fewer times than cheating women, so more men will be found as cheaters if paternity test would be mandatory.

And why are you downvoting me? I thought we were having a conversation here.

I don't think so. We were talking about the need for women to prove that their children are their husband's to begin with otherwise the husband might get charged for a child that isn't his. You know that some countries actually ban paternity tests and make the men pay for it anyway. So, understanding this, you don't want to see it changed because you rather continue the current policy. And, no, you are lying here when you say here that you want things changed while you don't. That's why you were downvoted because you were lying to us and you approve of pulling a man's leg. To use your own words:



Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.



In other words: you want men to be held responsible for a child that isn't his. And now you're trying to wiggle your way out ? In fact: women cheat equally as much if not more (https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/braun-are-women-cheating-more) but the legal heartaches (as doled out under law are ONLY for men to absorb) . Indeed.. in this generation: more women are likely to cheat (https://www.bustle.com/p/millennial-women-are-cheating-more-than-millennial-men-a-new-survey-finds-7873841).

[Phenix]

I disagreed with the mandatory paternity tests and more severe punishment for the mother, if she's going to be the parent raising the child.

What about laws forbidding paternity tests? women are grown adults with full rights, they can take care of themselves, aren't they equal after all? you didn't answer my previous enquiry, not kind from your part.

[ixulescu]

I don't think so. We were talking about the need for women to prove that their children are their husband's to begin with otherwise the husband might get charged for a child that isn't his. You know that some countries actually ban paternity tests and make the men pay for it anyway. So, understanding this, you don't want to see it changed because you rather continue the current policy. And, no, you are lying here when you say here that you want things changed while you don't. That's why you were downvoted because you were lying to us and you approve of pulling a man's leg. To use your own words:



In other words: you want men to be held responsible for a child that isn't his. And now you're trying to wiggle your way out ? In fact: in this generation most partners who cheat aren't men.. but women. (https://www.bustle.com/p/millennial-women-are-cheating-more-than-millennial-men-a-new-survey-finds-7873841)

You're super emotional about this topic.

Where do I say I want to continue the current policy? I explicitly said that I want the current policy changed.
You're putting words in my mouth, then accuse me of lying, liar.

Besides, you need to improve your comprehension. When I say:

Some of these families are salvageable as long as the truth remains unknown.

I'm talking about families where cheating happened, regardless of the gender of the person cheating.
My statement is not biased towards one sex or the other. My rule is: punish the cheater in a way that affects the child the least.

In regards to who cheats more, heterosexual intercourse always has the same total number of intercourses tied to both genders. It's just that one sex has more cheaters (as a percentage of the population), and the other sex has more frequent cheaters. It has always been the case that there are more male cheaters and fewer but more promiscuous women. That may vary by age cohort, like in the survey you found. But even there, the difference (11% women cheaters vs 10% male cheaters) was too small to be statistically significant, in other words most likely an artifact of survey sampling.

[The Lawspeaker]

You're super emotional about this topic.

Where do I say I want to continue the current policy? I explicitly said that I want the current policy changed.
You're putting words in my mouth, then accuse me of lying, liar.

Besides, you need to improve your comprehension. When I say:


I'm talking about families where cheating happened, regardless of the gender of the person cheating.
My statement is not biased towards one sex or the other. My rule is: punish the cheater in a way that least affects the child.

In regards to who cheats more, heterosexual intercourse always has the same total number of intercourses tied to both genders. It's just that one sex has more cheaters (as a percentage of the population), and the other sex has more frequent cheaters. It has always been the case that there are more male cheaters and fewer but more promiscuous women. That may vary by age cohort, like in the survey you found. But even there, the difference (11% women cheaters vs 10% male cheaters) was too small to be statistically significant, in other words most likely an artifact of survey sampling.

I am merely using your own words against you. And you were lying to us and that's now thrown in your face. The fact that you blow up over it shows that you were just found out. You are the weakest link, newbie, goodbye.

[ixulescu]

alright goodbye.

[Thorns]

lol he didn't blow up.

Anyways, I guess it's always a gamble when you sign your name to that kid if you haven't had a paternity test. Honestly if I found out years later a kid wasn't mine I'd probably still be their dad (though it would probably mess with my head big time). You can call it being cucked or whatever, I guess it is, in a way. But it's too late, you're already attached... unless the kid is a total disaster, then I might bail (half joking, but half serious).

Is any of it fair? Many things aren't fair, but it is what it is. There's always some risk unfortunately, it's a good idea to do your homework first. I'm not saying that men should be "cucks" or that women shouldn't be punished for what really amounts to fraud, I'm just saying that this is reality, if you aren't sure, then get a test.

It's news to me that such a thing is illegal in France, that's total bullshit.

[Ülev]

Многодетный россиянин сделал ДНК-тест: большинство детей — от любовника жены / Russian did a DNA test: most of the children are from his wife's lover
5:1

https://www.mk.ru/social/2019/01/15/mnogodetnyy-rossiyanin-sdelal-dnktest-bolshinstvo-detey-ot-lyubovnika-zheny.html

[Grace O'Malley]

That's the thing now with dna tests and they are only going to get more popular. People aren't going to be able to keep their secrets anymore so it is best to be honest from the start. Sperm donors aren't going to be able to keep their anonymity either.

[Ülev]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274472-Paternity-tests-on-the-rise-in-Greece-says-scientist