Mediterranean Islands PCA -- Eurogenes K15. Sicily, Crete, Dodecanese, etc

[Sikeliot]

Thank you to Erikl86 on Anthrogenica.

As expected, Dodecanese, Sicilians from Palermo and Messina, and Calabrians plot equally south, but the Dodecanese shift a bit toward Cyprus and Anatolia/Caucasus, and the Sicilians/Calabrians are going in a direction aligned with Arabia and North Africa.

North Aegean and Cyclades plot between South Italians and mainland Greeks, close to the "Central Greek" cluster.

Greek Cypriots shift toward the Aegean and South Italy, Turkish Cypriots toward the Levant.

Cretans bridge the gap between North Aegean and Dodecanese.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wwnkog.png

[lonewolfcypriot]

Thank you to Erikl86 on Anthrogenica.

As expected, Dodecanese, Sicilians from Palermo and Messina, and Calabrians plot equally south, but the Dodecanese shift a bit toward Cyprus and Anatolia/Caucasus, and the Sicilians/Calabrians are going in a direction aligned with Arabia and North Africa.

North Aegean and Cyclades plot between South Italians and mainland Greeks, close to the "Central Greek" cluster.

Greek Cypriots shift toward the Aegean and South Italy, Turkish Cypriots toward the Levant.

Cretans bridge the gap between North Aegean and Dodecanese.

http://i65.tinypic.com/wwnkog.png

WOW! :muslim:

[Sikeliot]

Essentially Dodecanese and Sicily/Calabria are sister regions separated by an east/west gradient, caused by the North African and Arabian input in Sicily/Calabria and higher Caucasus in Dodecanese.

Looks to me like Cyclades and North Aegean have not been immune to Slavic input, as they shift north from these, toward mainland Greeks.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Remember Central Greek is an islander reference point. There's a user here named Mr.G, his wife's family is also from Samos and her father plots near the S. Italian reference point, while her mother is just above the Central Greek one. Again, you're taking this whole 'Slavic' migration thing way too literally.

Most Greeks will obviously not plot with Southern Italians because we are not Italian - we are Greek. If anything the Central Greek plot can be considered the purest one, anyone shifting more south or north is some ancient shite

[Tauromachos]

Remember Central Greek is an islander reference point. There's a user here named Mr.G, his wife's family is also from Samos and her father plots near the S. Italian reference point, while her mother is just above the Central Greek one. Again, you're taking this whole 'Slavic' migration thing way too literally.

Most Greeks will obviously not plot with Southern Italians because we are not Italian - we are Greek. If anything the Central Greek plot can be considered the purest one, anyone shifting more south or north is some ancient shite

No there are Mainland Greeks who plot with this Central Greek cluster too


Greeks and Italians are related people anyway

Any person with some knowledge of history and mythology(Greek and Roman) with half connection
to his brain should be able to grasp this

The difference between Islanders and Mainland Greeks is overrated
and if Islanders are closer to Mainland Greeks it doesn't come from Slavic input

Sikeliot is just an idiot in this regard

Its always the same

He claims what he says here is some new discovery when he has already posted exactly the same
thing a dozen of times

Sicilians,Dodecanese,Calabrians plot together

Sicilians shift to Arabia and Levant,
Dodecanese to West Asia and Caucasus

Some Islanders shift to Mainland Greece because of Slavic input(according to him)

Nothing new at all

[Rgvgjhvv]

No there are Mainland Greeks who plot with this Central Greek cluster too


Yes from Mani from what I've seen.

But yeah I'm also tiring from these kind of comparisons too. It's becoming a bit boring

[catgeorge]

We don't plot with Poland, Bosnia, Croatia and Ukraine.

We have Paleobalkanic input and dont plot with the above nations and they don't plot with us.

[Sikeliot]

Remember Central Greek is an islander reference point. There's a user here named Mr.G, his wife's family is also from Samos and her father plots near the S. Italian reference point, while her mother is just above the Central Greek one. Again, you're taking this whole 'Slavic' migration thing way too literally.

You are also North Aegean and plot near Central Greek, no?

I do think Central Greek should be treated as representative of North Aegeans and Cyclades in a broad sense because that's basically who plots there along with some Maniots. But that whole cluster is definitely closer to mainland Greeks than are the Dodecanese, Sicilians, or Calabrians is my point and I think that has to do with migration from the mainland over the millennia as well as less historical intrusive Near Eastern input.

[Tauromachos]

You are also North Aegean and plot near Central Greek, no?

I do think Central Greek should be treated as representative of North Aegeans and Cyclades in a broad sense because that's basically who plots there along with some Maniots. But that whole cluster is definitely closer to mainland Greeks than are the Dodecanese, Sicilians, or Calabrians is my point and I think that has to do with migration from the mainland over the millennia as well as less historical intrusive Near Eastern input.


http://explorethemed.com/ethnicarchaic.asp?c=1
http://explorethemed.com/Images/Maps/EthnicArchaic936.jpg

[nightrider+]

The most interesting part is "Turkish Cypriots", basically imports from all over the Muslim world. Looks like many of them are neither Turkish nor Cypriots.

[lonewolfcypriot]

The most interesting part is "Turkish Cypriots", basically imports from all over the Muslim world. Looks like many of them are neither Turkish nor Cypriots.

The reason why some of them plot southwards towards the Levant is because they have SSA admixture. Back in those days, the ottomans brought slaves from Sudan to Cyprus who were employed as servants by rich Muslim families. There was no discrimination like they had in the West and they were treated as equals. Somewhere down my paternal line I have a black ancestor. They are just as Turkish as we are