Istrian Croats - Slavs mixed with Italians ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do you see Italian admixture in these Slavs or not ? Istria is multi-ethnic region in western part of Croatia. These are from relatively small town.

http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Pula.jpg
http://www.kzz.hr/sadrzaj/novosti/zupanijska-natjecanja-matematika/%C5%BEn%20-%20matematijka%20s%C5%A11590.png
https://www.ipazin.net/wp-content/uploads/gssjd-eu-projekt-2016.jpg
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/1.jpg
https://www.ipazin.net/wp-content/uploads/prijem-u%C4%8Denika2-2017.jpg

[Blondie]

For sure, ex roman area.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/U%C4%8Denici-%C5%A0kole.jpg
https://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/U%C4%8Denici-prvih-razreda.jpg
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Sudionici-natjecanja.jpg
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/poduzetnici-u-%C5%A1koli-2017-1.jpg
https://www.ipazin.net/wp-content/uploads/dsti2832665.jpg
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Svi-sudionici-finala.jpg
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Roditelji.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

For sure, ex roman area.

Yeah, they looks kinda different than other Croats. Same applies for Istrian Slovenes.

[Licantropo]

Where do they plot?? If they plot with other Croats case is closed.

[Ayetooey]

23andme matched me with Istria, so I shall eagerly follow this thread to see how my brothers and sisters are rated.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Where do they plot?? If they plot with other Croats case is closed.

no idea tbh

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

23andme matched me with Istria, so I shall eagerly follow this thread to see how my brothers and sisters are rated.

Istrian Anthem. It's great actually :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HHAZf6d4ko

[Licantropo]

Btw they have a too visible Slavic vibe to look Italian.

So no, in any case they still look far more Croatian for me.

[Blondie]

Yeah, they looks kinda different than other Croats.

I don't think that. I see alpinid, dinarid, med and partly nordish types, they can pass everywhere in Croatia and these peoples are lighter than most of italians.

[Ayetooey]

Istrian Anthem. It's great actually :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HHAZf6d4ko

https://i.imgflip.com/29xun7.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't think that. I see alpinid, dinarid, med and partly nordish types, they can pass everywhere in Croatia and these peoples are lighter than most of italians.

I see some oddly westernish types (''atlanto-med'') and even some nords look kinda western. But that's minority among them

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

current situation of ethnic Italians in Istria.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Istria-Italians-1991.gif

There are also Slovene (in the north) and Istro-Romanian community (northeast) but it's small amount of people overall.

[Licantropo]

I don't think that. I see alpinid, dinarid, med and partly nordish types, they can pass everywhere in Croatia and these peoples are lighter than most of italians.
LOL
I missed the autistic comment.
As far as general complexion goes, if you put the school pics compared to a Venetians one nobody would rise a brow. It's mostly the features that would stick out.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Small part of Istria belongs to Slovenia also. These are from Croatian part, middle of the county.

[Blondie]

I see some oddly westernish types (''atlanto-med'') and even some nords look kinda western. But that's minority among them

Yes i mean atlanto-med, by the way italians have very unique face type, easily recognisable.

[Blondie]

LOL
I missed the autistic comment.
As far as general complexion goes, if you put the school pics compared to a Venetians one nobody would rise a brow. It's mostly the features that would stick out.

North italians have significant germanic admixture but they are still mediterraneans/latins. The med admixture is very common in Italy:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

Croats are clearly lighter than north italians.

[Joso]

Alpines, baltids, dinarids and pontids mainly. possible some nordid influence too. Some of them can pass as Northern Italians but the majority seens to be baltid or something like that, so they look more Slavic, i think.

[CommonSense]

I don't see anything Italian about their appearance. Standard Croatian faces, IMO.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yes i mean atlanto-med, by the way italians have very unique face type, easily recognisable.

they're Med shifted compared to north Croats. Prom night:
http://www.gssjd.hr/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/maturalna-03.jpg

or maybe it's just the light.

[Licantropo]

North italians have significant germanic admixture but they are still mediterraneans/latins. The med admixture is very common in Italy:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Mediterranean-admixture.gif

Croats are clearly lighter than north italians.

Maybe but this set of pics wouldn't stick out everyhwere, im sorry if it disappoint you.
They wouldn't stick out in central Italy either.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't see anything Italian about their appearance. Standard Croatian faces, IMO.

what about fitting in Serbia ? Oddly tho these don't have Balkan vibe to me despite lot of dark hair

[CommonSense]

what about fitting in Serbia ? Oddly tho these don't have Balkan vibe to me despite lot of dark hair

They fit considerably better than the Slavonians you posted, but they would still be off as a group. The guys look short and quite gracile which would also make them stand out.

[Blondie]

Maybe but this set of pics wouldn't stick out everyhwere, im sorry if it disappoint you.
They wouldn't stick out in central Italy either.

Autosomal genetic map, North Italians have much more (S. Euro) med admixture:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png/1280px-WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png

[Mens-Sarda]

Perhaps some of them could have Italian ancestry, but I don't think that it's very common. We have to consider that after WWII, about 95% of the Italian population in Istria (around 350.000) was forced to flee when the region was given to Yugoslavia. Most of Istria remained practically empty, and the empty villages and cities were repopulated with Croatians and Slovenes coming from other areas far away from the coast.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Perhaps some of them could have Italian ancestry, but I don't think that it's very common. We have to consider that after WWII, about 95% of the Italian population in Istria (around 350.000) was forced to flee when the region was given to Yugoslavia. Most of Istria remained practically empty, and the empty villages and cities were repopulated with Croatians and Slovenes coming from other areas far away from the coast.

These aren't from such town. Central Istria was always Croatian majority. That's why I avoided posting cities on western coast, lot of Slavs there aren't even Istrian native.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Istrian census 1910. Red Italians, Yellow Slavs (mostly Croats with small amount of Slovenes)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Istria_census_1910.PNG

[ixulescu]

They look more like Slovenes as a group. Possibly more R1b.

[Licantropo]

Autosomal genetic map, North Italians have much more (S. Euro) med admixture:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png/1280px-WestEurasia_admixture_crop.png

What part of my comment saying "as far as complexion goes this set of pics wouldn't stand out anywhere in North and central Italy" you don't get exactly?
I don't care if they are more northern shifted, that is a thing for the large audience of autistics from TA , the OP sets would pass easy as far as complexion goes.


North Italians haven't significant German admxiture btw, in case Gallic\Celtic.