Uyghurs: What is their real Mongoloid / Caucasian admixture on average ?

[ButlerKing]

My question is are they more Mongoloid or more Caucasian ???"

What is their real AVERAGE DNA ??????????????????????????

On here it seems they are only 43% Mongoloid

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dna-and-genetics-of-turkic-people.jpg

Only here like maybe 32-42% Mongoloid
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

But on here they are like 40-72% Mongoloid ( that's a huge difference )
http://i63.tinypic.com/23m3cqx.jpg



Like even here on they seem to be 45-70% Mongoloid

http://i50.tinypic.com/2inluu.jpg

[Leto]

Uyghur (n=12)

East_Asian 30.23%
Siberian 14.82%
Southeast_Asian 4.65%

Total 49.7%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h7yXUn5ZUNQM34ItjKLHMr-1HovxDPjf16jnJl-0r5Y/edit#gid=0

[Smeagol]

Around half and half.

[ButlerKing]

Uyghur (n=12)

East_Asian 30.23%
Siberian 14.82%
Southeast_Asian 4.65%

Total 49.7%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h7yXUn5ZUNQM34ItjKLHMr-1HovxDPjf16jnJl-0r5Y/edit#gid=0

Is that really the average or one of the average ?

This is what DNA from Wikipedia says

" The Uyghurs are a Eurasian population with Eastern and Western Eurasian anthropometric and genetic traits. Uyghurs are thus one of the many populations of Central Eurasia that can be considered to be genetically related to Caucasoid and East Asian populations. However, various scientific studies differ on the size of each component.[140]

One study, using samples from Hetian (Hotan) only, found that Uyghurs have 60 per cent European ancestry and 40 per cent East Asian ancestry.[141]

A further study showed slightly greater European component (52 per cent European) in the Uyghur population in southern Xinjiang, but slightly greater East Asian component (47 per cent European) in the northern Uyghur population.

[142] Another study used a larger sample of individuals from a wider area, and found only about 30 per cent European component to the admixture.[143]

[ButlerKing]

Around half and half.

Source ???

We still have evidence surviving descendants of almost pure Tocharian Uyghurs

1 Uyghur sample being 90% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
1 Uyghur sample being 85% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
1 Uyghur sample being 77% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
3 Uyghur sample being 70-75% Caucasoid/west Eurasian
7 Uyghur samples being 60-69% Caucasoid west Eurasian

Is already proof ancient Tocharian/Iranians of Tarm Basin were most of them were 85-90% Caucasoid/west Eurasian on average, with some being 77% in the past.

So the Caucasoid/and predominately Caucasoid Tocharians intermixing with invaders Mongoloid/and predominately Mongoloid Uyghurs
Which formed the modern day Northern Uyghurs being anything 30%, 35,% 48% Caucasoid/west Eurasian while Southern Uyghurs are 52, 60%, 68% Caucasoid West Eurasian on average.

( ONLY PROBLEM IS I DON'T KNOW THE DAMN AVERAGE DNA FOR THEM )

CEU = Central European
UIG = Uighur


http://i63.tinypic.com/wk45n9.jpg


According to the paper by Li et al.:

... the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century AD. The Uyghur Empire was originally located in Mongolia and conquered the Tocharian tribes in Xinjiang. Tocharians such as Kroran have been shown by archaeological findings to appear phenotypically similar to northern and central Europeans, whereas the Orkhon Uyghur people were clearly Mongolians. The two groups of people subsequently mixed in Xinjiang to become one population, the present Uyghurs. We do not know the genetic constitution of the Tocharians, but if they were similar to western Siberians, such as the Khanty, admixture would already be biased toward similarity with East Asian populations.

[Smeagol]

Seems they vary a lot.

[Blondie]

Uyghurs were white indo-eropeans (tocharians) later they were assimilated by turks. The modern uyghur population is white-turk mixed.

[ButlerKing]

Uyghur (n=12)

East_Asian 30.23%
Siberian 14.82%
Southeast_Asian 4.65%

Total 49.7%

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h7yXUn5ZUNQM34ItjKLHMr-1HovxDPjf16jnJl-0r5Y/edit#gid=0

Also do you have an average DNA test for Turkmen because I'm seriously doubting they have only 20.9% Mongoloid

A lot of these Turkmen look exactly like the Kazakhs, Kyrgyz who are generally 60-80% Mongoloid

Look at them....
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ba6ae73c55b3cbaf9d0782c170469bf4
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c10fe68bef7cea912777da01914c1912
http://www.karakalpak.com/images/shekpen04.jpg
https://www.abqjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/f01_jd_20jan_4turk.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6XNnfi0qrkU/TRpOGCE8G0I/AAAAAAAACK8/mag-Kjl-DHM/s640/TUMENHBRS_image0017.jpg

[Leto]

Turkmens in Turkmenistan are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid. My mom lived in the Turkmen SSR and she said they were not really 'gooks' (slant-eyed).

[Leto]

Uyghurs were white indo-eropeans (tocharians) later they were assimilated by turks. The modern uyghur population is white-turk mixed.
I think what you mean is the Tocharians and other Indo-Iranian groups of the Tarim basin. The Uyghurs were never white.

[ButlerKing]

Turkmens in Turkmenistan are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid. My mom lived in the Turkmen SSR and she said they were not really 'gooks' (slant-eyed).

Here are Turkmen and they look gook.

https://yytm.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/turkmen-girls.jpg
https://previews.123rf.com/images/velirina/velirina1406/velirina140600113/29153978-ashgabat-turkmenistan-august-26-portrait-of-two-old-unidentified-laughing-asian-men-oriental-bazaar-.jpg

[Blondie]

I think what you mean is the Tocharians and other Indo-Iranian groups of the Tarim basin. The Uyghurs were never white.

They were white, uyghurs have indo-european origins.

[Leto]

Looks do not always reflect admixture. Bashkirs are rarely over 40% East Eurasian, yet they often look pretty Mongoloid. I mean to a Russian eye they look more Asian than European and I assume to a French or English eye even more so.

This young woman doesn't look European either

Her father is white, from the Midwest of the US which is heavily Germanic as far as I know, and her mother is Japanese


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HXEyDCcano

AncestryDNA Results:

50% Japan

41% Germanic Europe
7% Sweden
2% Ireland, Wales & Scotland


23andme Results:

East Asian & Native American 50%
- Japanese 47.0%
- Korean 1.0%
- Broadly Japanese & Korean 1.3%
- Broadly Northern Asian & Native American 0.1%
- Broadly East Asian & Native American 0.6%

European 49.9%
- French & German 31.4%
- Scandinavian 4.2%
- British & Irish 2.7%
- Eastern European 1.8%
- Broadly Northwestern European 6.9%
- Broadly Southern European 0.8%
- Broadly European 2.2%

Unassigned 0.1%
Now imagine if Germans or Britons colonized an island of Japan 200 years ago and immediately strated to mix with the locals. What would their descendants look like 200 years (~8 generations) later?

[Pandur]

https://ocbj.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2018/07/30/Uygur_Cenk_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3 fa67d9af9d

[Leto]

Here are Turkmen and they look gook.
Turkmens are basically a mix of Uzbek-like Turkics and Persians. Uzbeks are around 30-40% East Eurasian.

[ButlerKing]

Looks do not always reflect admixture. Bashkirs are rarely over 40% East Eurasian, yet they often look pretty Mongoloid. I mean to a Russian eye they look more Asian than European and I assume to a French or English eye even more so.

This young woman doesn't look European either

Now imagine if Germans or Britons colonized an island of Japan 200 years ago and immediately strated to mix with the locals. What would their descendants look like 200 years (~8 generations) later?


No one in history had ever colonized Japan, they only been occupied by allies.
To make a race 100 million slanty eyes into white you have to sacrifise 100 million white immigrants.

[ButlerKing]

Turkmens are basically a mix of Uzbek-like Turkics and Persians. Uzbeks are around 30-40% East Eurasian.

I beg to differ most Uzbeks study I've seen the lowest on average was 39% East Eurasian highest was 49.8% East Eurasian ( although there are individuals reaching over 56-59% )

You are lowering their East Eurasian admixtures way too much.

[Leto]

No would in history had ever colonized Japan, they only been occupied by allies.
To make a race 100 million slanty eyes into white you have to sacrifise 100 million white immigrants.
Lol. Did you understand what I actually meant? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENED? Do you know the word 'hypothetically'?

[sailormoon]

On average, it's 60% European and 40% East Asian. The proportion of East Asian ancestry in UIG individuals ranges from 15.7% to 59.7%, and the proportion of European ancestry in UIG individuals ranges from 40.3% to 84.3% (Xu et al. 2008).

https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0002929708001663-gr5.jpg
Figure 5. Summary Plot of Individual Admixture Proportions



The results of individual admixture proportions estimated from 83 AIMs. Each individual is represented by a single vertical line broken into two colored segments, with lengths proportional to each of the two inferred clusters. Red indicates East Asian ancestry proportion, and blue indicates European ancestry proportion. The predefined population IDs (CHB, UIG, and CEU) are presented on the abscissa. The ordinate indicates the proportion unit.

With the assumption that East Asian and European populations were the only two parental populations, STRUCTURE provided the probability of an allele being derived from either the East Asian cluster or the European cluster. The natural logarithms of the probability ratio (LnPR) that an allele was derived from the East Asian cluster over the European cluster were estimated, and the results are depicted in Figure 7. The results provide information on the ancestry of the chromosome segments for each individual (see Supplemental Data for details). As expected, the UIG haplotypes showed contributions from both parental populations (Figure 7). The contribution from European ancestry was greater than that from East Asian ancestry in UIG. The mean contributions of ancestry were 60% (minimum 40.3% and maximum 84.3%) from European ancestry and 40% (minimum 15.7% and maximum 59.7%) from East Asian ancestry.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708001663

[Leto]

Roxana Saberi is half Persian, half Japanese. This is her with her parents. About 50% East Eurasian.
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_620/public/fieldimages/12/0115/saberis.jpg?itok=rgnLUk36

[ButlerKing]

Lol. Did you understand what I actually meant? WHAT IF THAT HAPPENED? Do you know the word 'hypothetically'?

Yes but it doesn't sound realistic. Hypothetically you could have use weaker nations with low population rather than Japanese.

Do you what it means to change 100 million Japanese to white looking it means sending at least 300 million

100 million mix so they look 50% white, another 100 million so they look 75% white, and finally another 100 million so that they look 88% white ( by the time they are 88% white it be extremely hard to find Asian features)

[ButlerKing]

Roxana Saberi is half Persian, half Japanese. This is her with her parents. About 50% East Eurasian.
https://www.grandforksherald.com/sites/default/files/styles/16x9_620/public/fieldimages/12/0115/saberis.jpg?itok=rgnLUk36

Yet the Turkmen women here look more Mongoloid than her ( She looks Thai ) what the heck....

http://35aqobgy79qkq7w3vokgfa6l-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/96730090-Turkmenistan-woman-in-scarf-MBehar-618-pixels.jpg

[Leto]

Yes but it doesn't sound realistic. Hypothetically you could have use weaker nations with low population rather than Japanese.

Do you what it means to change 100 million Japanese to white looking it means sending at least 300 million

100 million mix so they look 50% white, another 100 million so they look 75% white, and finally another 100 million so that they look 88% white ( by the time they are 88% white it be extremely hard to find Asian features)
Dude, you must be very dumb. None of that shit is relevant here, to this discussion. My point is that if Japs and Western Euros mixed for 200 years, their descendants would probably still look more Asian than European. Prob'ly like lighter Central Asians (Central Asia has a lot of 'dark' blood, they're not just European + East Asian).

[Leto]

Yet the Turkmen women here look more Mongoloid than her ( She looks Thai ) what the heck....

Because mixing started in Central Asia many many centuries ago (long before it started in Central and South America) whereas Roxana Saberi has two parents of different races.

[ButlerKing]

Dude, you must be very dumb. None of that shit is relevant here, to this discussion. My point is that if Japs and Western Euros mixed for 200 years, their descendants would probably still look more Asian than European. Prob'ly like lighter Central Asians (Central Asia has a lot of 'dark' blood, they're not just European + East Asian).

But why the heck you use British and German when their asses got defeated by Japanese in WW1 and WW2 many times ?

Maybe you should have use Singapore . A rich country but are considered weak and spineless with a low population of 5 million.

[Leto]

But why the heck you use British and German when their asses got defeated by Japanese in WW1 and WW2 many times ?

Maybe you should have use Singapore . A rich country but are considered weak and spineless with a low population of 5 million.
Politics and history don't fucking matter when we talk about fucking genes! Hypothetically you can mix anyone with anything.

[ButlerKing]

Because mixing started in Central Asia many many centuries ago (long before it started in Central and South America) whereas Roxana Saberi has two parents of different races.

Yes there was mixing but Central Asia in past as proven to be Caucasoid and predominately Caucasoid with minor Mongoloid and they were Indo-European population. Although there is also a minority Mongoloid and predominate Mongoloid already existed population properly the original Turks in all Central Asia. It is after after the Mongol-Turkic invasion they shifted to Mongoloid, predominately Mongoloid, Half Mongoloid, to Caucasoid with Substantial Mongoloid admixture.



Anyway these Turkmen couldn't just be less than 50% Mongoloid.

(Women on the right is a foreigner )
https://photos.smugmug.com/Asia/Turkmenistan/People-of-Turkmenistan/i-XKh4mQN/0/95e85c8a/O/1147404789_9958b04f68_o.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Turkmen_woman.jpg/1200px-Turkmen_woman.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Politics and history don't fucking matter when we talk about fucking genes! Hypothetically you can mix anyone with anything.


You must have some realisticness in your hypothetically logic. It's like saying changing India 1.2 billion population to European looking when there aren't even enough Europeans to do that.

British, German population was not even 1/2 of Japan back than and that's even when you combined both of them.

[Teutonski]

I agree with ButlerKing

Uyghurs are mongloid subhumans

[Phenix]

Around 50%

[ButlerKing]

Around 50%


Show me evidence.

[Teutonski]

Show me evidence.

What percantage mongloid classifies a person as subhuman to you?

[Phenix]

Show me evidence.

Nothing to show you, just an an approximation of many charts and statistic tables showing more or less the figure above, and following a comparison with neibhoring population like Kirghiz and Kazakh, if you want, go test them all and do the ultimate statistic the world has ever seen.

[ButlerKing]

Nothing to show you, just an an approximation of many charts and statistic tables showing more or less the figure above, and following a comparison with neibhoring population like Kirghiz and Kazakh, if you want, go test them all and do the ultimate statistic the world has ever seen.


I'm guessing it ranges from region to region, city to city.

Many charts and studies show 40% ,48 , 52%, 70% for average. So in other words they don't have average DNA study.

[Marmara]

What percantage mongloid classifies a person as subhuman to you?

One drop is enough to make someone a subhuman chink.

[ButlerKing]

Dude, you must be very dumb. None of that shit is relevant here, to this discussion. My point is that if Japs and Western Euros mixed for 200 years, their descendants would probably still look more Asian than European. Prob'ly like lighter Central Asians (Central Asia has a lot of 'dark' blood, they're not just European + East Asian).

I just realized Central Asia ' dark' blood could be from South Asian DNA, there is a low but significant low frequencies of South Asian from 3-7%. Thai people also have substantial South Asian DNA. Although they are more like a mixture of Asian Mongoloid with Australoid Negrito / South Asian blood running in their body 18-24%.

Turkmen seem to have the highest South Asian blood a few reaching 9-15% at times (although most are less than 6%). Maybe that's why that women look Thai

[Rgvgjhvv]

I agree with ButlerKing

Uyghurs are mongloid subhumans

You are a true miserable cunt. I wouldn't expect any more from you though so at least you're consistent


EDIT: Someone said you're trolling. I don't buy it from other posts I've read from you. Unless you're literally trolling 100% of the time.

I fucking hate this forum, lol

[ButlerKing]

You are a true miserable cunt. I wouldn't expect any more from you though so at least you're consistent

Are you ethnic Uzbek ? I read that many people say Uzbek and Uyghur share the same origin.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Are you ethnic Uzbek ? I read that many people say Uzbek and Uyghur share the same origin.

Yes

[ButlerKing]

Yes

So you feel offended that he said " Mongoloid subhuman ".

[Rgvgjhvv]

So you feel offended that he said " Mongoloid subhuman ".

So offended

[Chelubey]

What is their real AVERAGE DNA ??????????????????????????

On here it seems they are only 43% Mongoloid


I will try to explain it.
Turkic peoples are something like Latin Americans. Average value is often not applicable to them and does not make sense, such as average Cuban or Brazilian. Turkic peoples did not mix gradually, but incorporated whole nations of differant race into themselves .
Therefore, regional specifics are still preserved, so even often group photos are not a good indicator . As I remember, Uighurs have on average 4-5% of the Chinese haplogroup O, but some groups of Uigurs have up to 20%. Probably the latter will be noticeably different from other Uigurs. You just have to understand it finally.

[ButlerKing]

I will try to explain it.
Turkic peoples are something like Latin Americans. Average value is often not applicable to them and does not make sense, such as average Cuban or Brazilian. Turkic peoples did not mix gradually, but incorporated whole nations of differant race into themselves .
Therefore, regional specifics are still preserved, so even often group photos are not a good indicator . As I remember, Uighurs have on average 4-5% of the Chinese haplogroup O, but some groups of Uigurs have up to 20%. Probably the latter will be noticeably different from other Uigurs. You just have to understand it finally.

Haplogroup O is not just Chinese. The Koreans, Japanese, Southeast Asian, Mongolian and many Central Asian have it. Ancient Yugurs also had many haplogroup O.

Uyghurs generally have from 13.7% to 22.8% Haplogroup O. 4-5% is too extremely low, never seen Uyghur study with that low O haplogroup



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[Hashoeva]

Turkmens are basically a mix of Uzbek-like Turkics and Persians. Uzbeks are around 30-40% East Eurasian.uzbeks are between 40 to 50% or more. 30% for uzbek is too low.

[Karkurdu]

Uyghurs were white indo-eropeans (tocharians) later they were assimilated by turks. The modern uyghur population is white-turk mixed.

STFU girl.

[Hashoeva]

Uyghurs were white indo-eropeans (tocharians) later they were assimilated by turks. The modern uyghur population is white-turk mixed. yeah yeah, all ancient nations were white indo-europeans until they mixed bla bla and the ancient egyptians were also white indo-europeans until they mixed with black-africans and arabs which destroyed the ancient egyptian civilation yes?

[Blondie]

yeah yeah, all ancient nations were white indo-europeans until they mixed bla bla and the ancient egyptians were also white indo-europeans until they mixed with black-africans and arabs which destroyed the ancient egyptian civilation yes?

Ancient egyiptians were afro-asiatic, related to arabs and jews.

[Leto]

uzbeks are between 40 to 50% or more. 30% for uzbek is too low.
It is not. Uzbeks are diverse, a lot of Tajiks were assimilated by Uzbeks in the past. On Anthrogenica a man posted his Uzbek wife's results, she is an Uzbek from Tashkent region and between 30 and 34% East Eurasian on GEDmatch.

[Leto]

yeah yeah, all ancient nations were white indo-europeans until they mixed bla bla and the ancient egyptians were also white indo-europeans until they mixed with black-africans and arabs which destroyed the ancient egyptian civilation yes?
Not all but the original Indo-European and Indo-Aryan groups were kind of white. Multiple DNA samples prove it.

[Governor]

Uygurs originally from Siberia, North Of Mongolia.Central Asia originally home to the Indo-Europeans&Indo-Iranians.

[Chelubey]

Haplogroup O is not just Chinese. The Koreans, Japanese, Southeast Asian, Mongolian and many Central Asian have it. Ancient Yugurs also had many haplogroup O.

Uyghurs generally have from 13.7% to 22.8% Haplogroup O. 4-5% is too extremely low, never seen Uyghur study with that low O haplogroup



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I am not a big fan of genetics . I saw a study of enthusiasts 2-3 years ago. According to their conclusions, at least a part of the Turkic subclades of hg O have recent Chinese ancestors. Given that the haplogroup O is quite rare among the Turkic peoples, I think that ultimately 90% of the representatives of this haplogroup among the Turkic people would have recent Chinese / Korean ancestry. We need more deep testing of representatives of this haplogroup among Turkic people to make more reliable conclusions.

[Chelubey]

https://yfull.com/tree/O-A16433/
As I understand it, the common ancestor of the Chinese and Tatar (having a haplogroup O) lived 2500 years ago.

[Roy]

They were white, uyghurs have indo-european origins.

They have some of that ancestry but overall you're wrong. Their white looking ancestors were not Uyghur yet. Turkic is more essential.

[Roy]

https://yfull.com/tree/O-A16433/
As I understand it, the common ancestor of the Chinese and Tatar (having a haplogroup O) lived 2500 years ago.

I thought it would be more distant.

[Leto]

They're Sogdian and Turco-Mongol. Something like that. The Sogdians were a fascinating culture IMO.

[Annihilus]

Turkics started out by mixing of caucasoids and mongoloids, there is no before that.