sardinians and corsicans dont look alike

[grecoroman]

do you think sardinians and corsicans look alike??



average sardinian phenotype
https://i.postimg.cc/G3DVkM3B/11.png




average corsican phenotype
https://i.postimg.cc/SxRGGsLZ/22.png

[Marco94]

Corsica was settled by Etruscans and Ligures, and later people from Tuscany. The Corsican language itself is considered a dialect of Tuscan, according to what I’ve read. Sardinia on the other hand seems to have been settled by people from Sicily, Apulia and the Aegean, with less people from Central/Northern Italy than Corsica.

But genetically both are very similar, so maybe it’s just a small difference.

[Tauromachos]

Corsicans more Napolitan and Roman

Sardinians more Sicilian and Calabrian

[grecoroman]

Corsica was settled by Etruscans and Ligures, and later people from Tuscany. The Corsican language itself is considered a dialect of Tuscan, according to what I’ve read. Sardinia on the other hand seems to have been settled by people from Sicily, Apulia and the Aegean, with less people from Central/Northern Italy than Corsica.

But genetically both are very similar, so maybe it’s just a small difference.

interesting!!! i heard that modern day sardinians are the clossest population geneticly to neolithic farmers

[Marco94]

interesting!!! i heard that modern day sardinians are the clossest population geneticly to neolithic farmers

They were genetically isolated for a long time and are considered one of the genetic "islands" of Europe. Pretty interesting. I've also heard that Sardinian is the closest Romance language to Latin.

[Mens-Sarda]

Corsicans more Napolitan and Roman

Sardinians more Sicilian and Calabrian

Sardinia has been isolated for millennia, it has nothing to do with Sicilians and Calabrians or Apulians. Sardinians are more western mediterranean Iberian-like people. According to ancient fonts and to genetic studies, there were at least two main ethnicities in Sardinia, one related to the Megalithic cultures present in northern Iberia and southern France, and they probably spoke a language related to Basque, as we can see from the traces of a Basque-like substratum present in Sardinian language and toponyms. The second ethnicity was related to the Aegean / Anatolian world, in particular to the Cycladic civilization.


During the prehistoric age both islands were populated by the same people, as discovered by genetic studies, the southern half of Corsica was even colonized by Sardinian Nuragic civilization, leaving many archaeological sites with remains of megalithic towers, totally similar to those present in Sardinia (Nuraghes). For all the Roman age both islands spoke the same dialect of vulgar Latin, called Insular Latin. Which eventually evolved in actual Sardinian and in ancient Corsican. However Corsican language started to diverge from Sardinian around IX-Xth century, when the island fell under the sphere of influence of the Republic of Pisa, which brought on the island its Italic Vulgar Latin, which merged with old Corsican creating the current Corsican language, which sounds like a sort of archaic Italian, but with its own vocabulary mostly derived from the old Insular Latin, with about 50% of it in common only with Sardinian and unknown in Italian.

About the look of Corsicans, let's say that in the northern half of the island, (the area that had more contacts with the continent) in that area they are surely more similar to Tuscans in general, but in the southern areas of the island, beyond the mountains, they are similar to Sardinians.

P.S.


I've added some pictures of Corsican people to give you an idea of the average look. They are all Corsican nationalists.



Petru Alessandri
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/alessandri.jpg

Ghjuvan Maria Pittiloni
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/pitiloni.jpg

Anghjulu Maria Pais (Sardinian surname)
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/AngeMariePais2.jpg

Antone Pais (brother of that above)
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/AnthonyPais01.jpg

Marcu Antone Colleoni
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Colleoni2.jpg

Paulu Istria
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/PaulIstria.jpg

Ghjaseppu Nasica
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nasica.jpg

Ghjulianu Alessandrini
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Alessandrini.jpg

Yvan Colonna
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/colonna.jpg

Alanu Ferrandi
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/FerrandiAlanu.jpg

Dumenicu Pasqualaggi
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/dume-pasqualaggi-000.jpg

Petru Tumasgiu Fili
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/FILI.jpg

Eric Marras (Sardinian surname)
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/eric-Maras.jpg

Dumenicu Casimiri
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Casimiri1.jpg

Thierry Casolasco
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CASO.jpg

Thierry Gonzalez
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Gonzalez7.jpg

Carlu Santoni
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/charles_santoni.jpg

Didier Maranelli
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MARANELLI200401.jpg

Marcellu Istria
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/MarcelIstria2005a.jpg

Olivieru Peretti
http://www.corsicainfurmazione.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/OlivierPe.jpg

[Visage pâle]

Corsican don't have olive skin and many are light eyed. Really they looks like french.

[MinervaItalica]

Corsican don't have olive skin and many are light eyed. Really they looks like french.

Corsicans are not Med right?

[Visage pâle]

Corsicans are not Med right?

There are meds with fair skin.

[PT Tagus]

Is coarse-mediterranid phenotype related to these types?

[grecoroman]

Corsican don't have olive skin and many are light eyed. Really they looks like french.

corsicans could only pass among latin southern french, but not among central/northern germanic french

[Licantropo]

Genetically Corsicans are close to Tuscans as far as i know. I think a bit more south and western shifted though.

[grecoroman]

Genetically Corsicans are close to Tuscans as far as i know. I think a bit more south and western shifted though.

what about sardinians ???

[Licantropo]

what about sardinians ???

They are more western shifted than Corsicans and almost parallel to them on a plot but isolated i think.

[Percivalle]

Genetically Corsicans are close to Tuscans as far as i know. I think a bit more south and western shifted though.


Corsicans are roughly 75% Tuscan + 25% Sardinian or 70 and 30. Corsicans are distinct from Sardinians (but there are my Corsicans who have a stronger Sardinian-shift) and from the Italian mainlanders either, but are close to the latter.


Corsica was settled by Etruscans and Ligures, and later people from Tuscany. The Corsican language itself is considered a dialect of Tuscan, according to what I’ve read.


Corsicans originally were similar to Sardinians, and Sardinians and Corsicans are still today very friend. In Corsica also many people from Liguria, Corsica was under the Republica of Genoa for many centuries. Now Corsica is full of migrants from anywhere, also many non Euros from France.

[grecoroman]

sardinian faces
https://i.postimg.cc/nctQXDDq/11.png



corsican faces
https://i.postimg.cc/XYPjyRzt/22.png

[Mens-Sarda]

Who are the Sardinians players? If it's the formation of Cagliari, 90% of them are not Sardinians. In those pictures I can only recognise Ragatzu, which has gypsy origins, even his surname is a fake Sardinian surname, probably a Sardized surname, since the word Ragazzo doesn't exist in Sardinian language.

[grecoroman]

Who are the Sardinians players? If it's the formation of Cagliari, 90% of them are not Sardinians. In those pictures I can only recognise Ragatzu, which has gypsy origins, even his surname is a fake Sardinian surname, probably a Sardized surname, since the word Ragazzo doesn't exist in Sardinian language.

since when did sardinia have gypsies???

[grecoroman]

Who are the Sardinians players? If it's the formation of Cagliari, 90% of them are not Sardinians. In those pictures I can only recognise Ragatzu, which has gypsy origins, even his surname is a fake Sardinian surname, probably a Sardized surname, since the word Ragazzo doesn't exist in Sardinian language.

Nicolò Barella. Nicola Murru. Dimitri Bisoli. Matteo Mancosu. Daniele Ragatzu. Andrea Cocco. Francesco Pisano. Davide Arras. Giuseppe Mastinu. Francesco Bombagi. Roberto Biancu

[Marolinepint]

Nicolò Barella. Nicola Murru. Dimitri Bisoli. Matteo Mancosu. Daniele Ragatzu. Andrea Cocco. Francesco Pisano. Davide Arras. Giuseppe Mastinu. Francesco Bombagi. Roberto Biancu

Dimitri Bisoli's father is northern Italian.

[gıulıoımpa]

Corsica had much much more influence from Ligurians , Tuscans and then French… has more of a continental look

[barkoo]

I'd say Corsicans look halfway between Tuscans and South East French/median French, they tend to be quite robust on average. Sardinians would be a transitional type between Catalans and Sicilians with a more Med features input like.

[Mens-Sarda]

since when did sardinia have gypsies???

Since always?

There are gypsy camps in the area of Alghero-Porto Torres, and near Cagliari in the town of Selargius (place of origin of Ragatzu). Maybe there are others but I can't remember. Selargius in the first half of the XXth century became the headquarters of the itinerant luna park owners, and most of them were of gypsy origin from Campania and Sicily. from there they moved with their luna parks towards the various villages of Sardinia for the patronal holidays; now it's also full of abusive camps inhabited by "normal" gypsies as we know them.

[Mens-Sarda]

Nicolò Barella. Nicola Murru. Dimitri Bisoli. Matteo Mancosu. Daniele Ragatzu. Andrea Cocco. Francesco Pisano. Davide Arras. Giuseppe Mastinu. Francesco Bombagi. Roberto Biancu

Nicolò Barella - not Sardinian surname
Nicola Murru - Sardinian
Dimitri Bisoli - not Sardinian
Matteo Mancosu - Sardinian
Daniele Ragatzu - Sardized foreign surname
Andrea Cocco - Sardinian
Francesco Pisano - Italianized version of the surname Pisanu
Davide Arras - Sardinian
Giuseppe Mastinu - Sardinian
Francesco Bombagi - not Sardinian
Roberto Biancu - Sardinian

P.S.
Most of the Sardinians in the pictures are from southern Sardinia, except Davide Arras, Giuseppe Mastinu, and Roberto Biancu which are from northern Sardinia.

[grecoroman]

Nicolò Barella - not Sardinian surname
Nicola Murru - Sardinian
Dimitri Bisoli - not Sardinian
Matteo Mancosu - Sardinian
Daniele Ragatzu - Sardized foreign surname
Andrea Cocco - Sardinian
Francesco Pisano - Italianized version of the surname Pisanu
Davide Arras - Sardinian
Giuseppe Mastinu - Sardinian
Francesco Bombagi - not Sardinian
Roberto Biancu - Sardinian

P.S.
Most of the Sardinians in the pictures are from southern Sardinia, except Davide Arras, Giuseppe Mastinu, and Roberto Biancu which are from northern Sardinia.

Theyr from Sassari

[Mens-Sarda]

Theyr from Sassari

Barella, Bisoli and Bombagi may be born in Sardinia but they don't have Sardinian surnames (Italian surnames stick out in Sardinia like a lighthouse in the night), so they are at maximum half Sardinians, or not Sardinians at all, probably their parents are public employees or something similar who work in Sardinia.

https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/BARELLA

https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/BISOLI

https://www.mappadeicognomi.it/index.php?sur=bombagi&s=Genera

[Dna8]

Sardinians are perceived as more "paleo" by my eye..

[templumForasticus]

Alizée pare più buia che la gente da... la Cerdegna

[Mens-Sarda]

Alizée pare più buia che la gente da... la Cerdegna

Podimus bidere zente que Alizée in totas duas isulas.

[templumForasticus]

Questo dove essere tuo dialetto insular. Interesante. "Tuas duas" me ricorda "tous les deux" dal francese. Non esiste un motto esatto in spagnolo, magari "las dos", ma non "todos los dos".

[Visage pâle]

Alizée pare più buia che la gente da... la Cerdegna

I don't think she's 100% corsican.

[Mens-Sarda]

Questo dove essere tuo dialetto insular. Interesante. "Tuas duas" me ricorda "tous les deux" dal francese. Non esiste un motto esatto in spagnolo, magari "las dos"

Sardinian language! not dialect. It's totally unrelated to Italian, except both are Romance languages, but the affinity ends here. In Spanish don't you use also "in ambas islas"? (in both islands). We also have the same expression in Sardinian I can say "in ambas isulas" or "in totas duas isulas". While in Italian "in entrambe le isole" or "in tutte e due le isole".

[Mens-Sarda]

I don't think she's 100% corsican.

Probable, her surname Jacotey is not Corsican, apparently her grandfather was not Corsican, and there is no trace of this surname in Corsica before 1945.

http://www.namespedia.com/img/France/Jacotey.jpg

[Ibericus]

Sardinians are genetically more of an isolated population (they are like a relic of European Neolithic farmers) whereas Corsicans can be modeled as 80-85% Tuscan and 15-20% Sardinians, as can be seen on this genetic PCA plot :

https://i.ibb.co/pwKzSBr/dacoceltic.png

[templumForasticus]

En Ambas islas o entrambas islas. En las dos islas. Jamás "En todas las dos islas"

[Licantropo]

Sardinian language! not dialect. It's totally unrelated to Italian, except both are Romance languages, but the affinity ends here. In Spanish don't you use also "in ambas islas"? (in both islands). We also have the same expression in Sardinian I can say "in ambas isulas" or "in totas duas isulas". While in Italian "in entrambe le isole" or "in tutte e due le isole".

We can also say in "Ambedue le isole" in Italian.

[Mens-Sarda]

We can also say in "Ambedue le isole" in Italian.

I was forgetting this. Curiously in Sardinia when speaking Italian we never use this, we tend to use the 1:1 translation of the equivalent Sardinian expressions.

[templumForasticus]

Inoltre, ho audito speso "a noi due" (à nous deux en français); come mai voi l'usate tanto?

[Mens-Sarda]

Inoltre, ho audito speso "a noi due" (à nous deux en français); come mai voi l'usate tanto?

Non saprei, è un modo di dire normale in Italiano. Potrebbe essere tradotto come "to both of us".



Penso spesso a noi due. - I think often about us
A noi due non ci piace il pesce. - Both of us don't like fish.
A noi due! - Now we solve it between us.


La stessa espressione può anche essere usata in Sardo (con le dovute differenze).



Penso meda a nois duos. - I think often about us

A nois duos no nos piàghet su pische. - Both of us don't like fish.

A nois duos! - Now we solve it between us.

[templumForasticus]

Non saprei, è un modo di dire normale in Italiano. Potrebbe essere tradotto come "to both of us".
[I]


Penso spesso a noi due. - I think often about us
A noi due non ci piace il pesce. - Both of us don't like fish.
A noi due! - Now we solve it between us.



Questo, questo senso. É quella roba talmente frequente, talmente audita, che non esiste in spagnolo