Greek Islands/Cretan 23andme results after the update and the "Italian" vs "Greek/Balkan"

[Sikeliot]

Some of these score as much Italian, as some of the Sicilians/Calabrians I have. The amount of West Asian is roughly equal to their range.

I really wonder if these people have specific regions of Italy showing up since they score so much Italian.

Crete:
https://i.imgur.com/70Q26oq.png

Crete:
https://i.imgur.com/3w11bb5.png

Naxos, Cyclades:
https://i.imgur.com/wHpIobb.png

Kalymnos, Dodecanese:
https://i.imgur.com/kC7E0oE.png

Chios, North Aegean:
https://i.imgur.com/SZsITBy.png

Chios/Samos, North Aegean:
https://i.imgur.com/3FRPGvE.png

[Rgvgjhvv]

This is my sister-in-law's results. Her mother is from Sparta, and her father from Central-Western Greece.

http://i65.tinypic.com/vc5dg.png

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zogj75.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/2nh3w1v.png

I can't take any of these results seriously.

[Luke35]

My wife, Samos.

European
92.3%
Greek & Balkan
72.4%
Greece, Albania, + 1 more
Italian
13.8%
Italy
Eastern European
1.0%
Broadly Southern European
4.7%
Broadly European
0.3%
Western Asian & North African
5.9%
Western Asian
5.7%
Turkey
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.2%
South Asian
0.4%
Broadly South Asian
0.4%
Sub-Saharan African
0.2%
Sudanese
0.2%
Unassigned
1.2%

Italy
Highly Likely Match
Italy has 20 administrative regions, and we found the strongest evidence of your ancestry in the following 7 regions.
Basilicata
Campania
Sicily
Calabria
Abruzzo
Apulia
Friuli-Venezia Giulia

[Sikeliot]

My wife, Samos.

European
92.3%
Greek & Balkan
72.4%
Greece, Albania, + 1 more
Italian
13.8%
Italy
Eastern European
1.0%
Broadly Southern European
4.7%
Broadly European
0.3%
Western Asian & North African
5.9%
Western Asian
5.7%
Turkey
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.2%
South Asian
0.4%
Broadly South Asian
0.4%
Sub-Saharan African
0.2%
Sudanese
0.2%
Unassigned
1.2%

Italy
Highly Likely Match
Italy has 20 administrative regions, and we found the strongest evidence of your ancestry in the following 7 regions.
Basilicata
Campania
Sicily
Calabria
Abruzzo
Apulia
Friuli-Venezia Giulia



100% Samos, right?

Samos speaks a Greek dialect close to that of northern Greece. This could have arrived from the mainland and explain the genetics there being a bit different from other islands.

[Luke35]

100% Samos, right?

Samos speaks a Greek dialect close to that of northern Greece. This could have arrived from the mainland and explain the genetics there being a bit different from other islands.

100% Samos. For many generations.

[xripkan]

This is my sister-in-law's results. Her mother is from Sparta, and her father from Central-Western Greece.

http://i65.tinypic.com/vc5dg.png

http://i67.tinypic.com/1zogj75.png

http://i64.tinypic.com/2nh3w1v.png

I can't take any of these results seriously.

I have also 9,2% Italian likely match with ancestry from these three regions but for me it is first apulia (deep blue) and then Calabria and Sicily. This 23andme update made things more clear about the Italian results. If it was from north regions it could indicate some ancestry but now it must be just genetic similarity.

[Tauromachos]

100% Samos, right?

Samos speaks a Greek dialect close to that of northern Greece. This could have arrived from the mainland and explain the genetics there being a bit different from other islands.

Hahaha idiot

Samos culture is very Islandish and Western Asia Minor Greek
I don't know about their dialect but what you claim is pathetic

This is a folk song from Samos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPTsrv5YNKI

[Papastratosels26]

100% Samos, right?

Samos speaks a Greek dialect close to that of northern Greece. This could have arrived from the mainland and explain the genetics there being a bit different from other islands.Probably.

[Papastratosels26]

Also in Lesvos

[Rgvgjhvv]

I have also 9,2% Italian likely match with ancestry from these three regions but for me it is first apulia (deep blue) and then Calabria and Sicily. This 23andme update made things more clear about the Italian results. If it was from north regions it could indicate some ancestry but now it must be just genetic similarity.

I agree, definitely

[Rgvgjhvv]

Hahaha idiot

Samos culture is very Islandish and Western Asia Minor Greek
I don't know about their dialect but what you claim is pathetic

This is a folk song from Samos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPTsrv5YNKI

A new theory every month almost, he keeps it spicy for the fans

[Mingle]

I have also 9,2% Italian likely match with ancestry from these three regions but for me it is first apulia (deep blue) and then Calabria and Sicily. This 23andme update made things more clear about the Italian results. If it was from north regions it could indicate some ancestry but now it must be just genetic similarity.

My guess is that the way this thing works is they pinpoint a region to where your ancestry is from based off of your relative finder results. If you have relatives in common from a certain region (done based on chromosomal sharing segments), then they assume you have ancestry from there even though the reason you match with that person is because they may have ancestry from your region. So Greeks getting South Italian regions on their 23andMe is likely indicative of Greek ancestry in those parts of South Italy.

[Tauromachos]

A new theory every month almost, he keeps it spicy for the fans

Yeah he does

But i'm not one of his biggest fans as you probably know :)

[Dunai]

What I notice are the pretty significant Middle Eastern components with them, at least for average European standards. I wonder if there is a major or minor difference between mainland Greeks and Greek Islanders?

[Papastratosels26]

What I notice are the pretty significant Middle Eastern components with them, at least for average European standards. I wonder if there is a major or minor difference between mainland Greeks and Greek Islanders?The majority of Mainland have Slavic Dna and the islanders west Asian DNA.As far I saw in results here.

[Dunai]

The majority of Mainland have Slavic Dna and the islanders west Asian DNA.As far I saw in results here.

Yes, Modern Greeks definitely absorbed many Balkan Slavs, Vlachs and Albanians (Arvanites) during the centuries.

[Tauromachos]

Yes, Modern Greeks definitely absorbed many Balkan Slavs, Vlachs and Albanians (Arvanites) during the centuries.

Balkan Slavs,
i wouldn't say many

About Vlachs(the Greek ones) it is debatable if they realy came from somewhere else or if they descend from a group of Ancient
people native to Greece.

Arvanites and Vlachs in Greece are certainly more than Balkan Slavs

[Papastratosels26]

Yes, Modern Greeks definitely absorbed many Balkan Slavs, Vlachs and Albanians (Arvanites) during the centuries.Yeah it's a nature of time that Greeks changed at some part. Although Greeks descent from Ancients but due the time absorbed a lot of foreign blood. Imo

[Peterski]

They must be confused by these results. They probably think they are descended from Venetian settlers or something.

[Sikeliot]

What I notice are the pretty significant Middle Eastern components with them, at least for average European standards. I wonder if there is a major or minor difference between mainland Greeks and Greek Islanders?

The islands score similarly to southern Italians (except for the "Balkan/Greek" is higher still in these islanders) while the people from the mainland score less Italian and almost no Middle East.

[kleenex]

Some of these score as much Italian, as some of the Sicilians/Calabrians I have. The amount of West Asian is roughly equal to their range.

I really wonder if these people have specific regions of Italy showing up since they score so much Italian.

Crete:
https://i.imgur.com/70Q26oq.png

Crete:
https://i.imgur.com/3w11bb5.png

Naxos, Cyclades:
https://i.imgur.com/wHpIobb.png

Kalymnos, Dodecanese:
https://i.imgur.com/kC7E0oE.png

Chios, North Aegean:
https://i.imgur.com/SZsITBy.png

Chios/Samos, North Aegean:
https://i.imgur.com/3FRPGvE.png

Ok to put things in perspective I (Mainland Greeks) got 89 percent Balkan and 8 percent Italian so obviously the Italian is picking up something Eastern shifted.

[Sikeliot]

Ok to put things in perspective I (Mainland Greeks) got 89 percent Balkan and 8 percent Italian so obviously the Italian is picking up something Eastern shifted.

The Italian component seems to be something indigenous to the Aegean islands that is not of mainland Greek origin.

[Tauromachos]

The Italian component seems to be something indigenous to the Aegean islands that is not of mainland Greek origin.

How can it be Italian anyway

Is it shared by all Italians from North till South?

[Voskos]

The Italian is not real. Why would someone from Samos or Chios, or even Central Greece score Italian? On the other hand many of my matches from Crete carry Italian Y-DNA, especially R1b-U152.

[Sikeliot]

The Italian is not real. Why would someone from Samos or Chios, or even Central Greece score Italian? On the other hand many of my matches from Crete carry Italian Y-DNA, especially R1b-U152.

The "Italian" in the Aegean islands is just ancient DNA that is shared with Italy. Mainland Greeks score lower Italian which means that there is a difference.

[catgeorge]

The "Italian" in the Aegean islands is just ancient DNA that is shared with Italy. Mainland Greeks score lower Italian which means that there is a difference.

Islanders have more "Anatolian" input
Mainlanders have more "Paleobalkan" input.

Vast majority of R1b and R1a in Greece is from the Pontic Steppes.

[Sikeliot]

Islanders have more "Anatolian" input
Mainlanders have more "Paleobalkan" input.


The "Italian" component is more linked to the former than the latter.

[catgeorge]

The "Italian" component is more linked to the former than the latter.

The Italian component you are referring to is not Sicilian.

The Greek component in Italians is a transition from Aceramic to Thessalian Neolithic as supported by serious scientists not pseudo scientific nonsense you like spewing on every anthropological website

This does not discount the fact Islanders have higher degrees of "Anatolian" and the Italian component merely means a shared component and could be a factor of human movements to the Islands during the middle ages. There is absolute no evidence of its age other than analysing the Y DNA subclades. Low IQ ape.

[Sikeliot]

The Italian component you are referring to is not Sicilian.

The Greek component in Italians is a transition from Aceramic to Thessalian Neolithic as supported by serious scientists not pseudo scientific nonsense you like spewing on every anthropological website

This does not discount the fact Islanders have higher degrees of "Anatolian" and the Italian component merely means a shared component and could be a factor of human movements to the Islands during the middle ages. There is absolute no evidence of its age other than analysing the Y DNA subclades. Low IQ ape.


The way you speak to and about me is unacceptable and I will not tolerate it any more. I have been passively ignoring it for too long, but you are going to change the way you speak to me.

[catgeorge]

The way you speak to and about me is unacceptable and I will not tolerate it any more. I have been passively ignoring it for too long, but you are going to change the way you speak to me.

When you stop spreading nonsense about Greeks I will, till then you better smarten the fuck up.