Turks or greeks?

[Deneb]

Both beyond to the same nationality. I've chosen the darkest and lightest player of the team.

https://i.ibb.co/2WVvmk1/1.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)
https://i.ibb.co/ftL9v6B/2.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[PT Tagus]

Greeks

[Crimson Winds]

Greeks

+1

[Aspirin]

First one looks Northern European, second one looks Middle Eastern

[Catarinense1998]

Greeks.

[Kess]

Greeks

[Blondie]

Turks, the first guy is ex janissary.

[Kaspias]

Turks, the first guy is ex janissary.

stfu

[Pausanias]

Turks, the first guy is ex janissary.

The janissaries were kidnapped Greek children.

[Blondie]

The janissaries were kidnapped Greek children.

Janissaries came from every ex ottoman area not just from Greece.

[Kaspias]

Marrying and making child was forbidden for Janissaries. 30 IQ people annoy me.

[Dna8]

Turks

[Blondie]

Marrying and making child was forbidden for Janissaries. 30 IQ people annoy me.

Murder is also forbidden and there are millions of killer, don't make me laught.

[Kaspias]

Murder is also forbidden and there are millions of killer, don't make me laught.

Well you're talking about Ottomans - Islam country. Their only option in order to make babies is marrying, and it is not legal. So according to you every blue eyed blonde people are ex-janissary in Turkey. Should i make troll compilation from your posts? Fuck off and learn, then make comment.

[Blondie]

So according to you every blue eyed blonde people are ex-janissary in Turkey.

This is not my opinion, i never said that.

[Vožd]

Both guys are Med, first is just light.
Greeks.

[cyberlorian]

Greeks

[cyberlorian]

Turks, the first guy is ex janissary.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=22381&dateline=1547907853

[Blondie]

Well you're talking about Ottomans - Islam country. Their only option in order to make babies is marrying, and it is not legal. So according to you every blue eyed blonde people are ex-janissary in Turkey. Should i make troll compilation from your posts? Fuck off and learn, then make comment.

By the way you are interesting person. If i say nordish looking turks are Janissaries than i'm "troll", but if you say this unbelievable bullshit "r1a haplogroup is turkic not indoeuropean" than you are not troll right? So pls be quiet :)

[Kaspias]

By the way you are interesting person. If i say nordish looking turks are Janissaries than i'm "troll", but if you say this unbelievable bullshit "r1a haplogroup is turkic not indoeuropean" than you are not troll right? So pls be quiet :)

R1a is indo european ofc. Wtf are you saying? Only Z93 is Turkic branch, do you know what subclade means? "Pls be quiet :)"

[Satem]

It can be tricky one so I will say Turks

[Livin]

The second guy is definetly Greek

[Blondie]

Only Z93 is Turkic branch, do you know what subclade means? "Pls be quiet :)"

R1a-z93 not turkic you troll but iranic (indo-european). Every r1a branch indo-european.

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect.

Maternal lineages in South Asia are, however, overwhelmingly pre-Indo-European. For instance, India has over 75% of "native" mtDNA M and R lineages and 10% of East Asian lineages. In the residual 15% of haplogroups, approximately half are of Middle Eastern origin. Only about 7 or 8% could be of "Russian" (Pontic-Caspian steppe) origin, mostly in the form of haplogroup U2 and W (although the origin of U2 is still debated). European mtDNA lineages are much more common in Central Asia though, and even in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. This suggests that the Indo-European invasion of India was conducted mostly by men through war. The first major settlement of Indo-Aryan women was in northern Pakistan, western India (Punjab to Gujarat) and northern India (Uttar Pradesh), where haplogroups U2 and W are the most common today."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-european-indo-iranian-migrations-1100x481.jpg

https://indo-european.eu/tag/r1a-z93/

Who is the troll? You, right?

[Crimson Winds]

Overwhelming majority of Janissaries before the 17th century were Slavs and Albanians from mountainous areas and they had insignificant numbers which almost none effect on modern Turkish population considering they didn't allowed to have children before retirement. There was only around twelve thousand Janissaries during the reign of Suleyman the Magnificant. Though numbers are increased in 17th century they did not much change Turkish gene pool since most Janissaries were Turkish plus some Albanian and Abkhaz by that time. Most people on this forum is very ignorant about Turkish history yet speaking like an expert which makes me crazy.

[Blondie]

Overwhelming majority of Janissaries before the 17th century were Slavs and Albanians from mountainous areas and they had insignificant numbers which almost none effect on modern Turkish population considering they didn't allowed to have children before retirement. There was only around twelve thousand Janissaries during the reign of Suleyman the Magnificant. Though numbers are increased in 17th century they did not much change Turkish gene pool since most Janissaries were Turkish plus some Albanian and Abkhaz by that time. Most people on this forum is very ignorant about Turkish history yet speaking like an expert which makes me crazy.

When turks steal and claim central asian iranic/indo-european history it makes me angry :)

[Crimson Winds]

When turks steal and claim central asian iranic/indo-european history it makes me angry :)

:picard2:

[Papastratosels26]

Greeks

[Kaspias]

R1a-z93 not turkic you troll but iranic (indo-european). Every r1a branch indo-european.

"Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.

The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.

Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.

The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.

The Indo-Iranian migrations have resulted in high R1a frequencies in southern Central Asia, Iran and the Indian subcontinent. The highest frequency of R1a (about 65%) is reached in a cluster around Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and northern Afghanistan. In India and Pakistan, R1a ranges from 15 to 50% of the population, depending on the region, ethnic group and caste. R1a is generally stronger is the North-West of the subcontinent, and weakest in the Dravidian-speaking South (Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh) and from Bengal eastward. Over 70% of the Brahmins (highest caste in Hindusim) belong to R1a1, due to a founder effect.

Maternal lineages in South Asia are, however, overwhelmingly pre-Indo-European. For instance, India has over 75% of "native" mtDNA M and R lineages and 10% of East Asian lineages. In the residual 15% of haplogroups, approximately half are of Middle Eastern origin. Only about 7 or 8% could be of "Russian" (Pontic-Caspian steppe) origin, mostly in the form of haplogroup U2 and W (although the origin of U2 is still debated). European mtDNA lineages are much more common in Central Asia though, and even in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. This suggests that the Indo-European invasion of India was conducted mostly by men through war. The first major settlement of Indo-Aryan women was in northern Pakistan, western India (Punjab to Gujarat) and northern India (Uttar Pradesh), where haplogroups U2 and W are the most common today."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/indo-european-indo-iranian-migrations-1100x481.jpg

https://indo-european.eu/tag/r1a-z93/

Who is the troll? You, right?

i don't bother myself to read your claims anymore but i have a suggestion. Let's open a thread so people can vote which one of us troll?

[Mr.G]

Greeks

[Thracian]

Turks, the first guy is ex janissary.

Well. When I saw his face I thought he could be a Balkan Turk from Yugoslavia or a Serb (Muslim one) live in Turkey. I have a friend looks like him.

Janissary think is little bit complex. Unlike some Turks claim that they couldn't be marry until 47 I am highly doubt it. Jannisaries became more powerful and even they killed some Ottoman kings. Y-DNA may be helpful but again there were many families changed their religion to get rid off heavy taxes. Also R1a-Z93 is common in Central Asian Turks. So, clades are more helpful than just R1a, R1b etc...

[Blondie]

Well. When I saw his face I thought he could be a Balkan Turk from Yugoslavia or a Serb (Muslim one) live in Turkey. I have a friend looks like him.

Janissary think is little bit complex. Unlike some Turks claim that they couldn't be marry until 47 I am highly doubt it. Jannisaries became more powerful and even they killed some Ottoman kings. Y-DNA may be helpful but again there were many families changed their religion to get rid off heavy taxes. Also R1a-Z93 is common in Central Asian Turks. So, clades are more helpful than just R1a, R1b etc...

Yes because turks have settled there and they assimilated the local iranic population. But it doesn't mean r1a z93 is turkic.

[CommonSense]

Both guys are Med, first is just light.
Greeks.

I agree

[Rgvgjhvv]

I could never imagine that first guy being an ethnic Greek. The second guy easily though

[Hithaeglir]

None of them looks particularly Greek.They exist as phenotypes but as outliers :)

[turkojew]

turks

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[Karkurdu]

When turks steal and claim central asian iranic/indo-european history it makes me angry :)

You are just a stupid kid who thinks she has anything to do with any kind of Iranics. Your profile info is a joke. Fits for a 17 yo confused kiddo. :)

[Dorian]

turks

[Blondie]

You are just a stupid kid who thinks she has anything to do with any kind of Iranics. Your profile info is a joke. Fits for a 17 yo confused kiddo. :)

Said the turkish speaker hittite-greek mix :cool:

[Crimson Winds]

Never understand why mixing becomes assimilation when the topic is about Turkics.

[Deneb]

Greeks


+1


Greeks.


Greeks


Both guys are Med, first is just light.
Greeks.


Greeks


The second guy is definetly Greek


Greeks


Greeks


I agree


I could never imagine that first guy being an ethnic Greek. The second guy easily though


None of them looks particularly Greek.They exist as phenotypes but as outliers :)



Right. They are Greeks


https://i.ibb.co/bHT4CWR/1.jpg (https://ibb.co/0BT06DV)
https://i.ibb.co/M2CdrTv/1.jpg (https://ibb.co/X2CH1BQ)

[Dorian]

So the blond guy a west Cretan,not that weird.

[Tellerin]

Greeks

+1

[Pausanias]

Janissaries came from every ex ottoman area not just from Greece.

Mostly from Greece.

[Tauromachos]

Greeks since none of them looks Turkish

If they turn out to be Turks they would be very atypical ones