Aromanian from Macedonia/Northern Epiri

[Pribislav]

He said to me that he is predominantly of Epiro-Aromanian origin from area west of Bitola and Northern Epirus.

His haplogroup is J2a1b1-M92.


Dodecad K12 Admixture Proportions.


Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_European 30,45
2 Caucasus 27,86
3 Atlantic_Med 26,41
4 Southwest_Asian 8,01
5 Gedrosia 4,18
6 Siberian 1,87
7 Northwest_African 1
8 South_Asian 0,22

Single Population Sharing:
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5,17
2 Bulgarian (Yunusbayev) 6,14
3 Romanians (Behar) 6,28
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10,75
5 Greek (Dodecad) 13,01
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15,22
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 15,55
8 TSl30 (Metspalu) 15,57
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16,1
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 18,92
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19,58
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19,64
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19,67
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19,77
15 Hungarian (Behar) 20,07
16 German (Dodecad) 24,64
17 French (Dodecad) 25,zz
18 French (HGDP) 25,58
19 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25,86
20 Baleares (1000Genoms) 26,13


puntalDNAL K13 Global Oracle

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance:
1 Macedonian 3,44
2 Bulgarian 3,84
3 Kosovar 5,46
4 Montenegrin 5,55
5 Romanian 5,7
6 Albanian 6,9
7 Greek_Thessaly 6,81
8 Italian_Tuscan 6,9
9 Serbian 7,48
10 Italian_Bergamo 9,38
11 Bosnian 11,11
12 Greek_Central 11,7
13 Italian_Abruzzo 12,33
14 Croatian 12,82
15 Moldavian 13,24
16 Spaniard 13,73
17 French 14,13
18 Hungarian 15,48
19 German_South 15,84
20 Slovene 16,06


Eurogenes K13
https://i.imgur.com/U8bUAds.jpg


puntDNAL K13 Global 4-Ancestors Oracle

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian 3,668
2 Bulgarian 4,121
3 Kosovar 5,902
4 Montenegrin 6,013
5 Romanian 6,184
6 Albanian 6,398
7 Greek_Thessaly 7,391
8 Italian_Tuscan 7,414
9 Serbian 8,135
10 Italian_Bergamo 10,058
11 Bosnian 12,117
12 Greek_Central 12,764
13 Italian_Abruzzo 13,404
14 Croatian 13,987
15 Moldavian 14,423
16 Spaniard 14,842
17 French 15,382
18 Hungarian 16,890
19 German_South 17,241
20 Slovene 17,535

[Livin]

It seems like a normal balkan person.I think from Romania down to Greek_Thessaly the people are close!

[Pribislav]

It seems like a normal balkan person.I think from Romania down to Greek_Thessaly the people are close!

Do you know how common his haplogroup is in Greece and in which part is most common?

[Faklon]

Do you know how common his haplogroup is in Greece and in which part is most common?

Don't know particularly for this subclade but I recall Aromanians scoring high in J2.

[Livin]

Do you know how common his haplogroup is in Greece and in which part is most common?

Vlachs(aromanian) have high amounts of j2a1b1 if i am not wrong in whole balkans.Even some serbs with this haplo are probably Aromanians.Some J2b clades inclunding!

[Pribislav]

Vlachs(aromanian) have high amounts of j2a1b1 if i am not wrong in whole balkans.Even some serbs with this haplo are probably Aromanians.Some J2b clades inclunding!

If I'm not wrong IncelSlayer carry same haplogroup/branch as this Aromanian guy.

[Livin]

If I'm not wrong IncelSlayer carry same haplogroup/branch as this Aromanian guy.

Very normal.Aromanians are mostly latinicized natives.They got also high amounts of R1b!

[Tauromachos]

J2a has more to do with Italy,Romans,Etruscans and Ancient Greeks(including Minoans) than with
Balkans

"Several common Italian J2a subclades are found mainly in the south of Italy (M319, M92, Z467, Z7671, all under L558) and are likely to be of Greek origin. The highest of J2a in Europe are found in Crete(32% of the population) and Calabria (26%). M319, one of the principal J2a1 subclades in Greece, Italy and Western Europe, reaches is maximum frequency in Crete (6-9%)."

"One fourth of the Vlach people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs) (isolated communities of Romance language speakers in the Balkans) belong to J2, considerably more thanthe average of Macedonia and northern Greece where they live. This, combined to the fact that they speak a language descended from Latin, suggests that they could have a greater part of Roman (or at least Italian) ancestry than other ethnic groups in the Balkans."

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

[Pribislav]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50,6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49,4% Hungarian (Behar) @ 1,98
2 64,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,17
3 66,2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,25
4 64,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36,4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,26
5 50,4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49,6% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,28
6 60,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 39,1% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,51
7 71,8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2,52
8 71,1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2,54
9 71,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,6% Mordovian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,58
10 66,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,6% Belarussian (Behar) @ 2,6
11 64,5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,63
12 66,3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,64
13 67,4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 32,6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2,68
14 71,3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,7% Lithuanian (Behar) @ 2,69
15 71,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 20,9% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,71
16 66,2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2,73
17 62,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,4% Ukrainian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,76
18 63,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,77
19 69,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30,3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2,81
20 71,2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,8% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,85

[Tauromachos]

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50,6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49,4% Hungarian (Behar) @ 1,98
2 64,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,17
3 66,2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,25
4 64,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36,4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,26
5 50,4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49,6% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,28
6 60,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 39,1% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,51
7 71,8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2,52
8 71,1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2,54
9 71,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,6% Mordovian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,58
10 66,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,6% Belarussian (Behar) @ 2,6
11 64,5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,63
12 66,3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,64
13 67,4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 32,6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2,68
14 71,3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,7% Lithuanian (Behar) @ 2,69
15 71,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 20,9% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,71
16 66,2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2,73
17 62,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,4% Ukrainian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,76
18 63,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,77
19 69,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30,3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2,81
20 71,2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,8% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,85

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50,6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49,4% Hungarian (Behar) @ 1,98
2 64,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,17
3 66,2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,25
4 64,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36,4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,26
5 50,4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49,6% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,28
6 60,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 39,1% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,51
7 71,8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2,52
8 71,1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2,54
9 71,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,6% Mordovian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,58
10 66,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,6% Belarussian (Behar) @ 2,6
11 64,5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,63
12 66,3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,64
13 67,4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 32,6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2,68
14 71,3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,7% Lithuanian (Behar) @ 2,69
15 71,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 20,9% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,71
16 66,2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2,73
17 62,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,4% Ukrainian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,76
18 63,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,77
19 69,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30,3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2,81
20 71,2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,8% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,85

[Pribislav]

#Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50,6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 49,4% Hungarian (Behar) @ 1,98
2 64,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,17
3 66,2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,25
4 64,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 36,4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,26
5 50,4% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49,6% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,28
6 60,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 39,1% Hungarian (Behar) @ 2,51
7 71,8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,2% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2,52
8 71,1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2,54
9 71,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,6% Mordovian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,58
10 66,4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,6% Belarussian (Behar) @ 2,6
11 64,5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35,5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2,63
12 66,3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2,64
13 67,4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 32,6% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2,68
14 71,3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,7% Lithuanian (Behar) @ 2,69
15 71,9% Greek (Dodecad) + 20,9% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,71
16 66,2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33,8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2,73
17 62,6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,4% Ukrainian (Yunusbayev) @ 2,76
18 63,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 37,3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2,77
19 69,7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30,3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2,81
20 71,2% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28,8% FIN30 (1000Genoms) @ 2,85

Your point is Slavic admixture in this guy, I see.

All Vlachs are Slavic influenced. Aromanians are less Slavic than Romanians and Vlachs from Serbia. Aromanians are probably Slavic influenced on the same level as Greeks from Macedonia (Greek one).
Aromanians have 15% I2a1b2a1 and 10,1% R1a on average, plus 3,4% I1 and 2,4% I2-M223. These "northern" haplogroups are reflected on autosomal.

[Seya]

Close results to mine. I always get bulgarian or macedonian (when possible) on the first place.

[Pribislav]

He said to me that he is predominantly of Epiro-Aromanian origin from area west of Bitola and Northern Epirus.

His haplogroup is J2a1b1-M92.


Dodecad K12 Admixture Proportions.


Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_European 30,45
2 Caucasus 27,86
3 Atlantic_Med 26,41
4 Southwest_Asian 8,01
5 Gedrosia 4,18
6 Siberian 1,87
7 Northwest_African 1
8 South_Asian 0,22

Interesting is almost 2% Siberian in this guy on K12b dodecad.

For Romanians and Moldavian even higher Asian score is normal, they have more Turkic influence than sourronding nations (from Cumans mostly).

Southern Balkanite Vlachs were in contact with Pechenegs which settled to Macedonia in late 11th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians#Origins

[Kouros]

Interesting is almost 2% Siberian in this guy on K12b dodecad.

That's not really out of the ordinary for most Balkanites though, what's more interesting is he scores a full 1% Northwest African.

[Livin]

Interesting is almost 2% Siberian in this guy on K12b dodecad.

For Romanians and Moldavian even higher Asian score is normal, they have more Turkic influence than sourronding nations (from Cumans mostly).

Southern Balkanite Vlachs were in contact with Pechenegs which settled to Macedonia in late 11th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians#Origins

Just a noise...!

It might also be regular steppe thing .

[Pribislav]

Just a noise...!

It might also be regular steppe thing .

Some Greek users here are proud of 0% Siberian and Turkic among Greeks.
They say there is no Mongoloid blood in Greeks, neither Slavic, neither African... pure Med supermen. :)

[Pribislav]

He ploting more northern than Albanian users here whose results I have seen, and than Albanians from other forums.

[Livin]

q
Some Greek users here are proud of 0% Siberian and Turkic among Greeks.
They say there is no Mongoloid blood in Greeks, neither Slavic, neither African... pure Med supermen. :)

Slavic admixture in Greece exists in a big grade,anyone who denys it...it’s blind or fanatic.With exception Pontic Greeks who are pure west asians,Cypriots who are levant like people and greek islanders all the other regions have an amount of slavic admixture.You can see it also from Ydna,let’s be honest here.

[Pribislav]

Close results to mine. I always get bulgarian or macedonian (when possible) on the first place.

Are you from Wallachia?

[Kaspias]

Can you post Eurogenes K13 results?

[Seya]

Are you from Wallachia?

Dobrogea

[Pribislav]

Can you post Eurogenes K13 results?

On other forum he posted only Single Population Sharing of Eurogenes K13.

https://i.imgur.com/U8bUAds.jpg

[Pribislav]

I know this guy from one Serbian forum. He is present there for years. He live in Canada and use Serbian, but mostly writes on English.
Guy has huge knowledge about Vlachs of Greece, and his posts are mostly obout history of southern Balkanite Vlachs.
I thought that he is diasporian Serb until yesterday, regardless of his interest for Vlachs. I said to him on Serbian "your shifted quite southern from Serbian averagre", and he said to me also on Serbian "because I am not of Serbian origin" and said for Aromanian origin.

[Voskos]

Albanian ydna.

[Voskos]

J2a1b very common among cham albanians.

[Pribislav]

Dobrogea

What is your Siberian score?

Did you putted your results here on forum?

[Aspirin]

For Romanians and Moldavian even higher Asian score is normal, they have more Turkic influence than sourronding nations (from Cumans mostly).


I don't think so. It's seems what you love very much to portret others from Croatians to Romanians how you want. But since you are Serb, this make sense.

[Seya]

What is your Siberian score?

Did you putted your results here on forum?

I have more siberian and east asian than this guy...this is the only difference. The distance i get from my first population sharing result is around 7-8

[Seya]

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[Pribislav]

I don't think so. It's seems what you love very much to portret others from Croatians to Romanians how you want. But since you are Serb, this make sense.

Mongoloid dna is little higher in Romania, Moldavia and Bulgaria than in former Yogoslavia.
https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1481992930259.gif

[Voskos]

All of east europe has mongoloid dna even some islanders from greece.

[Voskos]

It came with slavs and finno ugers.

[Pribislav]

I have more siberian and east asian than this guy...this is the only difference. The distance i get from my first population sharing result is around 7-8

That is logical.
Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Cumans, Pechenegs, Magyars and Tatars were present in Romania. Some of them had permanent settlements.

Turkic people few time attacked Balkans, but they were not inhabitants of Balkans (except few Bulgars in northeastern Bulgaria) unlike Romania and Moldavia.

[Aspirin]

Mongoloid dna is little higher in Romania, Moldavia and Bulgaria than in former Yogoslavia.

LMAO, you clearly said, what only Romanians and Moldavians have "high" Turkic admixture, not others, now you say what Bulgarians too. I don't even deny Asian influence, but "how" you interpret this, just show your nationalistic bias towards neighbour nations.

[IncelSlayer]

Albanian ydna.

No its not you imbecile, J2a is under 5% in Albania and most of it ain't even M92.

http://i63.tinypic.com/1pw083.jpg

[Pribislav]

LMAO, you clearly said, what only Romanians and Moldavians have "high" Turkic admixture, not others, now you say what Bulgarians too. I don't even deny Asian influence, but "how" you interpret this, just show your nationalistic bias towards neighbour nations.

OK.
Not high, but little higher than Yugos.

Serbs are usualy 0,5 - 1% Siberian (some Serbs score 0%).

Serbian recorder in Siberian score (from what I know) score 1,53% Siberian.
He is full Serb from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udbina
https://i.imgur.com/QurAEqu.png

[Harkonnen]

It came with slavs and finno ugers.

In most of East Europe East Asian has Turkic source.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Just a noise...!

It might also be regular steppe thing .

2% Asian is not noise for sure. Mongoloid ancestry and common in Balkans

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

All of east europe has mongoloid dna even some islanders from greece.

I do not.

[Pribislav]

2% Asian is not noise for sure. Mongoloid ancestry and common in Balkans

I agree.

Noise is 0,1% or something.

[Aspirin]

In the Balkans, Romania, Hungary, Moldova and Ukraine, mongoloid influence is from Nomads, between Russians, part of Ukrainians, Belarusians is mostly from Finno-Ugric people.

[Harkonnen]

In the Balkans, Romania, Hungary, Moldova and Ukraine, mongoloid influence is from Nomads, between Russians, part of Ukrainians, Belarusians is mostly from Finno-Ugric people.

Actually in most of Russia it comes from Turkic peoples too. The closest Finno-Ugrians Belarusians have had contact with were Southern Estonians who don't have surpluss East Asian, so the little Belarusians have comes from Turkics.

[Tauromachos]

Your point is Slavic admixture in this guy, I see.

All Vlachs are Slavic influenced. Aromanians are less Slavic than Romanians and Vlachs from Serbia. Aromanians are probably Slavic influenced on the same level as Greeks from Macedonia (Greek one).
Aromanians have 15% I2a1b2a1 and 10,1% R1a on average, plus 3,4% I1 and 2,4% I2-M223. These "northern" haplogroups are reflected on autosomal.

No my point is that his primarily population in almost every instance is Sicilian
and where its not and not Jewish neither it is Greek

You see?

[Tauromachos]

J2a1b very common among cham albanians.

J2a doesn't come from Albanians and certainly not from Slavs

You as a Cretan should know

[Pribislav]

No my point is that his primarily population in almost every instance is Sicilian
and where its not and not Jewish neither it is Greek

You see?

Yes I see, and what is conclusion?

[Tauromachos]

Yes I see, and what is conclusion?

Figure out yourself

J2a is certainly not Slavic

This should be understandable even to your Peasant brain.

[Pribislav]

Figure out yourself

J2a is certainly not Slavic

This should be understandable even to your Peasant brain.

I never said that J2a is Slavic.

What a fuck autosomal have to do with haplogroup?

You first speak about autosomal and now you put y dna in story and insult me, arogant imbecile!

[Ujku]

What is this northen Epirus ? ??? I hope you don't mean southern Albania.

[Tauromachos]

What is this northen Epirus ? ??? I hope you don't mean southern Albania.

https://i.imgur.com/Cuw1rif.gif?noredirect

[Pribislav]

What is this northen Epirus ? ??? I hope you don't mean southern Albania.

Probably southern Albania.

About his origin he told me this: "My origin is from Northern Macedonia (west of Bitola), and Northern Epirus. I am mostly of Epiro-Aromanian origin."

[Ujku]

https://i.imgur.c.gif?noredirect

pustogeros

[Ujku]

Probably southern Albania.

About his origin he told me this: "My origin is from Northern Macedonia (west of Bitola), and Northern Epirus. I am mostly of Epiro-Aromanian origin."

Typical grecophone vlach from Albania. Useless thank god most left for Greece.

[Tauromachos]

Typical grecophone vlach from Albania. Useless thank god most left for Greece.

Grecophone Vlach is an oxymoron a contradiction in itself

There is no distinct Vlach entity in Greece except of language

[Ujku]

Grecophone Vlach is an oxymoron a contradiction in itself

There is no distinct Vlach entity in Greece except of language

The funny thing is that most of them look Albo af and claim themselves to be descendants of Leonidhas lol

[Tauromachos]

The funny thing is that most of them look Albo af and claim themselves to be descendants of Leonidhas lol

I don't know what they look like

But there have always been Orthodox Greek speaking people in your country(Probably longer than Shqiptar language and identity exists) and Ancient Epiros(North and South) was a Greek speaking
region not even Illyrian.

[Voskos]

I do not.

neither do i at least on eurogenes no mong for me.

[Voskos]

i see a hotspot of M92 ydna haplogroup in modern albania https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paolo_Francalacci/publication/40027804/figure/fig5/AS:601667611394082@1520460145536/Frequency-distribution-maps-for-the-haplogroup-J-Legend-a-J1-M267-b-J2-M172-c.png

[IncelSlayer]

J2a has more to do with Italy,Romans,Etruscans and Ancient Greeks(including Minoans) than with
Balkans

"Several common Italian J2a subclades are found mainly in the south of Italy (M319, M92, Z467, Z7671, all under L558) and are likely to be of Greek origin. The highest of J2a in Europe are found in Crete(32% of the population) and Calabria (26%). M319, one of the principal J2a1 subclades in Greece, Italy and Western Europe, reaches is maximum frequency in Crete (6-9%)."

"One fourth of the Vlach people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs) (isolated communities of Romance language speakers in the Balkans) belong to J2, considerably more thanthe average of Macedonia and northern Greece where they live. This, combined to the fact that they speak a language descended from Latin, suggests that they could have a greater part of Roman (or at least Italian) ancestry than other ethnic groups in the Balkans."

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

There are over 15 subclades of J2a in Italy(L70,PF5008,S25258,Z7700.M319,L210,PF5169,YP8 79,6048,Z7671,FGC35503,Z6057,PF5172),I don't know about other 14 J2a subclades, but M92 has nothing to do with Italy or Etruscans, its almost entirely of Byzantine origin there(M92>CTS2906).some of it might've arrived during Bronze Age(M92>Z515).The regions where M92 is found in Italy follows the Exarchate of Ravenna, Caserta,Napoli and Sicilia(Messina,Palermo,Agrigento),Puglia,Calabria , Marche and center Emilia-Romagna.


Do you know how common his haplogroup is in Greece and in which part is most common?

Peaks in Constantinople,oldest variants are around Aegean, M92 origin seems to be around Bosphorus.It was found in a wealthy eastern roman stationed in Nederlands.
During Byzantine era it spread in Balkans,Italy,Anatolia and surroundings.There's a whole village in China which tested for M92 and the TMRC is recent,around Byzantine era, same in Iran, due to eastern roman merchants who settled there.The M92 in jews seems as well to be very recent,the TMRC of the subclade is in the last couple hundred of years.


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Those old maps have no basis in reality.

Here's a newer one from 2018.
https://www.poreklo.rs/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/karta-6.png

Check the Albanian dna project, J2a is around 3%, most of it aint even M92.M92 in Albania is virtually non-existent.

[Pribislav]

His puntDNAL K13.

Single Population Sharing:

#Populatin (source) Distance
1 Macedonian 3.44
2 Bulgarian 3.84
3 Kosovar 5.46
4 Montenegrin 5.55
5 Romanian 5.7
6 Albanian 5.9
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.81

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian @ 3.668
2 Bulgarian @ 4.121
3 Kosovar @ 5.902
4 Montenegrin @ 6.013
5 Romanian @ 6.185
6 Albanian @ 6.398
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.391

[xripkan]

His puntDNAL K13.

Single Population Sharing:

#Populatin (source) Distance
1 Macedonian 3.44
2 Bulgarian 3.84
3 Kosovar 5.46
4 Montenegrin 5.55
5 Romanian 5.7
6 Albanian 5.9
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.81

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian @ 3.668
2 Bulgarian @ 4.121
3 Kosovar @ 5.902
4 Montenegrin @ 6.013
5 Romanian @ 6.185
6 Albanian @ 6.398
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 7.391

Could you post his Eurogenes K15 single and mixed (2) mode population oracle?

[Pribislav]

Could you post his Eurogenes K15 single and mixed (2) mode population oracle?

https://i.imgur.com/L60GXLc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W6r1ysM.jpg

[Pubiczar]

Basically Macedonian and Bulgarian like!
Too bad that Aromanians historically have been such cucks that played under the Greek drums for too long and even self willingly dismissed their roots and culture in order to be "Hellenes" :D
Fucking cucks

[catgeorge]

Can't even interpret results. This man is paleobalkan Thracian.

[catgeorge]

East Med and Atlantic is very high and North Sea is higher than Baltic.

This is not anything strange for a Thracian person.

[Pribislav]

Basically Macedonian and Bulgarian like!
Too bad that Aromanians historically have been such cucks that played under the Greek drums for too long and even self willingly dismissed their roots and culture in order to be "Hellenes" :D
Fucking cucks

You ploting close to this guy. It's logical, both of you are Aromanians. :)

[Aromanian]

Aromanians have been “cucks” because we ve never had a state and we have always been “victims” of propaganda , with greece and romania claiming us. Obviously aromanians identify with the state they live in because noone has the time to explain to everyone what “aromanins” are. We ve been “cucks” but we ve managed to keep our language alive for many years without a state. Aromanians even tried to form the Principality of Pindus under the Vlach roman Legion but that again was influenced by romanian propaganda. We can’t help but be cucks when we re literally everywhere (cincars “machedons” cobenj and vlaxoi); forming an aromanian state is impossible so we identify with our “host” nations and contribute to them.

[Pribislav]

Aromanians have been “cucks” because we ve never had a state and we have always been “victims” of propaganda , with greece and romania claiming us. Obviously aromanians identify with the state they live in because noone has the time to explain to everyone what “aromanins” are. We ve been “cucks” but we ve managed to keep our language alive for many years without a state. Aromanians even tried to form the Principality of Pindus under the Vlach roman Legion but that again was influenced by romanian propaganda. We can’t help but be cucks when we re literally everywhere (cincars “machedons” cobenj and vlaxoi); forming an aromanian state is impossible so we identify with our “host” nations and contribute to them.

Aromanian state in the borders like on this video with capital in Bitola might be solution for Aromanians in future.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5WIoMNErBM

[Aromanian]

Oh I wish; it would be a great solution but I doubt it will ever happen.

[dosas]

Aromanian state in the borders like on this video with capital in Bitola might be solution for Aromanians in future.


You and what army? Aromanians in Greece are ultra-patriotic (for Greece).

[Papastratosels26]

Aromanians must create an nation North of Greece.

[Pribislav]

Aromanians must create an nation North of Greece.

You think part of Fyrom and Albania to became Aromania?