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Ford

01-29-2019, 01:33 PM

I thought I would share my results, considering I'm apparently unusually northern shifted for a Serb. So I would be interested in hearing some of your opinions.

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I posted some gedmatch results, just ask if you wish to see any other calculator.
MDLP K16

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 28.69
2 Neolithic 26.93
3 NorthEastEuropean 25.17
4 Steppe 18.02
5 Siberian 0.44
6 Oceanic 0.41
7 Amerindian 0.22
8 NearEast 0.11
9 EastAfrican 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.64
2 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.67
3 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.87
4 Serbian (Serbia) 3.88
5 Croat (Croatia) 3.91
6 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.07
7 Moldavian (Molodva) 5.28
8 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.38
9 Slovenian (Slovenia) 5.6
10 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.88
11 Austrian (Austria) 6.27
12 Hungarian (Hungary) 6.31
13 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.49
14 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.82
15 German (SouthGermany) 7.02
16 Romanian (Gorj) 7.1
17 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 7.14
18 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 7.23
19 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 7.25
20 Slovak (Slovakia) 7.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 43.2% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 2.67
2 51.8% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 48.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 2.7
3 69.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 30.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) @ 2.8
4 56.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 43.8% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.82
5 75.2% Serbian (Serbia) + 24.8% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.86
6 70.6% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 29.4% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 2.89
7 65.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 34.6% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.9
8 59% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 41% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.92
9 62.1% Pole (EastPoland) + 37.9% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 2.92
10 77.8% Serbian (Serbia) + 22.2% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 2.94
11 76.3% Serbian (Serbia) + 23.7% Pole (Wroclaw) @ 2.96
12 69.1% Serbian (Serbia) + 30.9% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.97
13 83.2% Serbian (Serbia) + 16.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.97
14 86.7% Serbian (Serbia) + 13.3% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 3
15 60.6% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 39.4% Sorb (Lusatia) @ 3.01
16 74.6% Serbian (Serbia) + 25.4% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 3.02
17 57.9% Macedonian (Macedonia) + 42.1% Pole (EastPoland) @ 3.04
18 53.9% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 46.1% Slovak (Slovakia) @ 3.04
19 73.2% Serbian (Serbia) + 26.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 3.04
20 62.4% Pole (EastPoland) + 37.6% Albanian (Albania) @ 3.04

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 3.854539
2 Bosnian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 4.038792
3 Serbian_Serbia @ 4.118640
4 Croat_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 4.192144
5 Croat_Croatia @ 4.334373
6 Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 5.389372
7 Moldavian_Molodva @ 5.697990
8 Romanian_Apuseni @ 5.727920
9 Slovenian_Slovenia @ 6.242860
10 Hungarian_Budapest @ 6.421731
11 Austrian_Austria @ 6.842128
12 Macedonian_Macedonia @ 6.945813
13 Hungarian_Hungary @ 7.016224
14 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 7.495748
15 Romanian_Gorj @ 7.625525
16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria @ 7.790899
17 Cossack_Zaporozhie @ 7.836177
18 German_SouthGermany @ 7.927525
19 German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 8.359827
20 Slovak_Slovakia @ 8.732854

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_Bulgaria +50% German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 2.944204

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_Bulgaria +25% German_Germany +25% Pole_EastPoland @ 2.687589

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Pole_EastPoland @ 2.687589
2 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Pole_Wroclaw @ 2.733495
3 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Pole_WestPoland @ 2.771724
4 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Ukrainian_Ukraine @ 2.777834
5 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Pole_Poland @ 2.793736
6 Belarusian_Belarus + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany @ 2.802535
7 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Hungarian_Hungary @ 2.830187
8 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Sorb_Lusatia @ 2.838026
9 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Slovak_Slovakia @ 2.848085
10 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Hungarian_Budapest @ 2.873049
11 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Hungarian_Budapest + Serbian_Serbia @ 2.879262
12 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Lithuanian_Lithuania @ 2.881099
13 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Hungarian_Budapest @ 2.885290
14 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Hungarian_Hungary @ 2.886053
15 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Dutch_Netherlands + Hungarian_Budapest + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.941544
16 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) @ 2.944204
17 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Ukrainians_west_WestUkraine @ 2.949589
18 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + English_Kent + Hungarian_Budapest @ 2.952915
19 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Hungarian_Budapest + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.953450
20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + Ukrainians_east_EastUkraine @ 2.953762

MDLP World-22

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 48.51
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 29.25
3 West-Asian 10.82
4 Near_East 6.96
5 North-European-Mesolithic 1.86
6 Melanesian 1.04
7 Paleo-Siberian 0.59
8 North-Amerind 0.46
9 North-Siberean 0.44
10 East-Siberean 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (derived) 2.42
2 Croatian (derived) 3.67
3 Hungarian (derived) 4.51
4 Serbian (derived) 5.1
5 Austrian (derived) 6.51
6 Slovenian (derived) 6.68
7 German_V (derived) 6.84
8 Croatian_V (derived) 7.91
9 German (derived) 7.99
10 Macedonian (derived) 8.3
11 Montenegrin (derived) 8.43
12 CEU_V (derived) 8.77
13 German-North (derived) 9.76
14 Czech (derived) 10.07
15 Bulgarian (derived) 10.73
16 German-South (derived) 10.81
17 Slovakian (derived) 11.3
18 Welsh (derived) 11.81
19 Swedish (derived) 12.02
20 CEU (derived) 12.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.4% Montenegrin (derived) + 21.6% Estonian (derived) @ 1.44
2 51.7% Croatian_V (derived) + 48.3% Montenegrin (derived) @ 1.55
3 51.2% Croatian_V (derived) + 48.8% Macedonian (derived) @ 1.57
4 71.5% Montenegrin (derived) + 28.5% Russian_V (derived) @ 1.6
5 78.8% Macedonian (derived) + 21.2% Estonian (derived) @ 1.65
6 61.6% Serbian (derived) + 38.4% Croatian_V (derived) @ 1.65
7 80.1% Montenegrin (derived) + 19.9% Latvian (derived) @ 1.67
8 71.7% Macedonian (derived) + 28.3% Polish_V (derived) @ 1.7
9 89.8% Croatian (derived) + 10.2% Jew_Romania (derived) @ 1.71
10 87.3% Croatian (derived) + 12.7% Ashkenazim_V (derived) @ 1.71
11 57.8% Croatian_V (derived) + 42.2% Bulgarian (derived) @ 1.71
12 73.8% Macedonian (derived) + 26.2% Polish (derived) @ 1.71
13 65.9% Montenegrin (derived) + 34.1% Ukrainian_V (derived) @ 1.72
14 70.1% Macedonian (derived) + 29.9% Belarusian_V (derived) @ 1.72
15 93.6% Croatian (derived) + 6.4% Jew_Syria (derived) @ 1.73
16 67.2% Montenegrin (derived) + 32.8% Ukrainian-Center (derived) @ 1.73
17 93.5% Croatian (derived) + 6.5% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 1.73
18 74.4% Montenegrin (derived) + 25.6% Russian_Center (derived) @ 1.74
19 89.1% Slovenian (derived) + 10.9% Druze (derived) @ 1.75
20 93.3% Croatian (derived) + 6.7% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 1.75

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bosnian_derived @ 2.568228
2 Croatian_derived @ 4.091994
3 Hungarian_derived @ 4.975319
4 Serbian_derived @ 5.670816
5 Austrian_derived @ 7.180972
6 Slovenian_derived @ 7.519295
7 German_V_derived @ 7.528358
8 German_derived @ 8.926614
9 Croatian_V_derived @ 8.959685
10 Macedonian_derived @ 9.384109
11 Montenegrin_derived @ 9.499947
12 CEU_V_derived @ 9.743199
13 German-North_derived @ 10.949601
14 Czech_derived @ 11.427254
15 German-South_derived @ 12.014334
16 Bulgarian_derived @ 12.182642
17 Slovakian_derived @ 12.825169
18 Welsh_derived @ 13.073769
19 Swedish_derived @ 13.433619
20 CEU_derived @ 13.523591

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian_V_derived +50% Macedonian_derived @ 1.598686

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian_derived +25% Latvian_derived +25% Swiss_derived @ 1.369806

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Italian_North_derived + Russian_South_derived @ 1.140258
2 Gagauz_derived + Italian_North_derived + Latvian_derived + Serbian_derived @ 1.141738
3 Croatian_derived + German-South_derived + Greek_East_derived + Latvian_derived @ 1.147345
4 Gagauz_derived + Latvian_derived + Macedonian_derived + Swiss_derived @ 1.148037
5 Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Italian_North_derived + Polish_V_derived @ 1.167792
6 Croatian_derived + Greek_North_derived + Latvian_derived + Swiss_derived @ 1.194409
7 Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Italian_North_derived + Ukrainian-East_derived @ 1.200097
8 Croatian_derived + Gagauz_derived + Italian-North_derived + Latvian_derived @ 1.208016
9 Bosnian_derived + German-South_derived + Greek_Center_derived + Latvian_derived @ 1.235158
10 Croatian_V_derived + Estonian_derived + Gagauz_derived + Kosovar_derived @ 1.238735
11 Croatian_derived + Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Hungarian_derived @ 1.247630
12 Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Italian_North_derived + Russian_cossack_derived @ 1.248652
13 Gagauz_derived + Latvian_derived + Montenegrin_derived + Swiss_derived @ 1.250311
14 Croatian_V_derived + Gagauz_derived + Swiss_derived + Ukrainian-Center_derived @ 1.254452
15 German-North_derived + Greek_East_derived + Lithuanian_V_derived + Montenegrin_derived @ 1.257434
16 Croatian_V_derived + German-South_derived + Greek_Center_derived + Russian_derived @ 1.260629
17 Bosnian_derived + German-South_derived + Greek_East_derived + Latvian_derived @ 1.267234
18 Greek_North_derived + Italian_North_derived + Latvian_derived + Slovenian_derived @ 1.273207
19 CEU_V_derived + Greek_East_derived + Lithuanian_derived + Montenegrin_derived @ 1.273424
20 Belarusian_derived + CEU_V_derived + Greek_North_derived + Montenegrin_derived @ 1.287207

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.38
2 North_Atlantic 25.46
3 West_Med 17.15
4 East_Med 14.18
5 West_Asian 7.54
6 Siberian 2.07
7 Red_Sea 0.88
8 Oceanian 0.29
9 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.83
2 Serbian 5.66
3 Croatian 6.36
4 Hungarian 8.14
5 Romanian 8.64
6 Bulgarian 10.47
7 Austrian 12.03
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.5
9 East_German 12.74
10 South_Polish 13.15
11 Ukrainian 13.45
12 Polish 16.68
13 Southwest_Russian 16.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.43
15 West_German 18.58
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.72
17 Greek_Thessaly 19.01
18 Estonian_Polish 19.02
19 Belorussian 19.66
20 South_Dutch 19.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Ukrainian + 33.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.64
2 58.8% Ukrainian + 41.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.84
3 57.7% Southwest_Russian + 42.3% Tuscan @ 2.91
4 69.7% Ukrainian + 30.3% South_Italian @ 2.94
5 61.8% Romanian + 38.2% Ukrainian @ 2.99
6 56.7% Bulgarian + 43.3% Ukrainian @ 3
7 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Estonian @ 3.04
8 63.4% Ukrainian + 36.6% Tuscan @ 3.1
9 59.5% South_Polish + 40.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
10 64.3% Croatian + 35.7% Bulgarian @ 3.12
11 77.3% Croatian + 22.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.16
12 56.1% Bulgarian + 43.9% South_Polish @ 3.18
13 70% Romanian + 30% Estonian_Polish @ 3.2
14 86.5% Croatian + 13.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.21
15 66.5% Ukrainian + 33.5% Central_Greek @ 3.21
16 86.5% Croatian + 13.5% Italian_Jewish @ 3.22
17 83.7% Croatian + 16.3% Ashkenazi @ 3.22
18 55.4% Greek_Thessaly + 44.6% Estonian @ 3.23
19 67.5% Ukrainian + 32.5% East_Sicilian @ 3.28
20 65.9% Ukrainian + 34.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.28

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 5.460488
2 Serbian @ 6.339153
3 Croatian @ 7.164285
4 Hungarian @ 9.262178
5 Romanian @ 9.804680
6 Bulgarian @ 11.932232
7 Austrian @ 13.825752
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 14.247296
9 East_German @ 14.681418
10 South_Polish @ 14.964316
11 Ukrainian @ 15.304626
12 Polish @ 18.980711
13 Southwest_Russian @ 19.086596
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 19.705996
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 21.241308
16 West_German @ 21.300117
17 Estonian_Polish @ 21.576273
18 Greek_Thessaly @ 21.662573
19 Belorussian @ 22.274843
20 Tatar @ 22.413229

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Ukrainian @ 3.690812

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% North_Italian @ 3.117296

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.593321
2 Bulgarian + Southwest_Russian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.716232
3 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.756770
4 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.794629
5 Bulgarian + Kargopol_Russian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.842223
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.855395
7 Bulgarian + Russian_Smolensk + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.876896
8 Erzya + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.888038
9 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.903277
10 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.911127
11 Bulgarian + Croatian + Erzya + North_Italian @ 2.920545
12 Romanian + Southwest_Russian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.933570
13 Belorussian + Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.933889
14 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.937145
15 Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 2.949969
16 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Tuscan + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.951545
17 Erzya + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Polish @ 2.966962
18 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + Tuscan + Ukrainian @ 2.972930
19 Greek_Thessaly + Kargopol_Russian + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.978162
20 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + North_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.986502

puntDNAL K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 43.19
2 SW_Europe 33.45
3 West_Asia 13.56
4 SW_Asia 5.3
5 Siberia 2.58
6 NE_Asia 0.61
7 East_Africa 0.61
8 Oceania 0.55
9 South_Asia 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.48
2 Bosnian 4.05
3 Hungarian 4.46
4 Slovene 4.73
5 Moldavian 4.9
6 German_South 6.21
7 Serbian 6.23
8 Slovak 6.28
9 Belgian 7.24
10 English 7.27
11 Scottish 8
12 French 8.23
13 Orcadian 8.48
14 Irish 8.68
15 Montenegrin 8.83
16 Utahn_European 8.94
17 German_North 9.43
18 Romanian 10.17
19 Ukrainian 11.1
20 Macedonian 11.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.1% Croatian + 3.9% Dolgan @ 1.33
2 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Yakut @ 1.34
3 95.1% Croatian + 4.9% Selkup @ 1.39
4 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Koryak @ 1.48
5 97% Croatian + 3% Nganasan @ 1.51
6 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Tuvinian @ 1.51
7 95.2% Croatian + 4.8% Altaian @ 1.61
8 96.5% Croatian + 3.5% Chukchi @ 1.65
9 79.6% Utahn_European + 20.4% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.65
10 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Mongolian @ 1.8
11 87.4% Croatian + 12.6% Tatar @ 1.81
12 55.1% Italian_Bergamo + 44.9% Mordovian @ 1.86
13 96.4% Croatian + 3.6% Oroqen @ 1.95
14 80.2% Irish + 19.8% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.99
15 90.3% Croatian + 9.7% Chuvash @ 2.03
16 96.6% Croatian + 3.4% Eskimo @ 2.04
17 80.6% Orcadian + 19.4% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.05
18 83.1% English + 16.9% Turkish_Aydin @ 2.1
19 80.2% Utahn_European + 19.8% Balkar @ 2.2
20 96.7% Croatian + 3.3% Daur @ 2.21

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Croatian @ 3.673473
2 Bosnian @ 4.302438
3 Hungarian @ 4.795394
4 Slovene @ 5.124344
5 Moldavian @ 5.267063
6 German_South @ 6.649084
7 Serbian @ 6.728366
8 Slovak @ 6.803898
9 Belgian @ 7.806579
10 English @ 7.861756
11 Scottish @ 8.642786
12 French @ 8.829542
13 Orcadian @ 9.183771
14 Irish @ 9.412863
15 Montenegrin @ 9.574781
16 Utahn_European @ 9.722517
17 German_North @ 10.283325
18 Romanian @ 11.057658
19 Ukrainian @ 12.095859
20 Macedonian @ 12.104553

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +50% Mordovian @ 2.711550

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Sicilian +25% Mordovian @ 1.694273

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 French_Basque + German_North + Lithuanian + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.320369
2 French_Basque + German_North + Latvian + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.416600
3 French_Basque + Polish + Swedish + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.423867
4 Estonian + French_Basque + German_North + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.455939
5 Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.522796
6 Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.525905
7 Estonian + French_Basque + Turkish_Aydin + Ukrainian @ 1.533606
8 Irish + Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.556502
9 Estonian + French_Basque + Norwegian + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.560750
10 French_Basque + Russian + Swedish + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.568776
11 Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.576518
12 French_Basque + Irish + Latvian + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.588971
13 English + Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.606789
14 French_Basque + Lithuanian + Norwegian + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.607511
15 Irish + Italian_Sicilian + Mordovian + Orcadian @ 1.615850
16 French + Greek_Central + Mordovian + Scottish @ 1.616473
17 Belgian + German_South + Greek_Central + Mordovian @ 1.618779
18 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian + Swedish @ 1.619127
19 Albanian + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian + Swedish @ 1.638193
20 French_Basque + Norwegian + Polish + Turkish_Aydin @ 1.638285

MiloshN

01-29-2019, 01:36 PM

Balkan man :)

Ford

01-29-2019, 02:02 PM

Eurogenes K36
Population
Armenian 1.45
Central_Euro 10.04
East_Balkan 7.76
East_Central_Euro 15.39
Eastern_Euro 9.59
Fennoscandian 8.79
French 3.84
Iberian 7.41
Italian 10.28
Near_Eastern 5.85
North_Atlantic 4.20
North_Caucasian 3.85
North_Sea 6.19
West_Med 5.35

https://i.imgur.com/r7O44wt.png

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 02:04 PM

I think your results are typical for northeastern Bosnia mate, no matter are you Serb , Bosniak or Croat. Probably natives from there are more northern shifted than say Herzegovina or Central Bosnia.
why ? because it's extension of Panonnian Plain and open area to invaders unlike rest of Bosnia which is sheltered by dinaric alps.

In my opinion northeastern Bosnia and Slavonia should be genetically pretty similar.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 02:16 PM

Low Germanic is the first thing I notice

You similar with me on FTDNA and K36

Luke35

01-29-2019, 02:31 PM

Ford

01-29-2019, 02:43 PM

Maybe slightly higher Slavic input than is typical for your background?

You were shifted a bit north on the K15 plot right? That plot is not the end all be all, seems like nobody plots right on their ethnicity square on that thing and some (Impaler, etc) are quite distant.

Yeah, that's correct about K15. I could add that I generally plot on the very edge of the Serbian clusters in PCA plots by ph2ter on anthrogenica.

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 02:45 PM

Interesting how many people from Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia have Moldova (no matter what part) as the closest population to them.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 02:54 PM

did you try DNA land bruv ?

Interesting how many people from Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia have Moldova (no matter what part) as the closest population to them.

I noticed that too.

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 02:55 PM

Post K12b dodecad.

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 02:55 PM

did you try DNA land bruv ?

Soon.

Ford

01-29-2019, 02:58 PM

Post K12b dodecad.

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43
2 Atlantic_Med 26.71
3 Caucasus 20.66
4 Southwest_Asian 4.76
5 Gedrosia 2.96
6 Siberian 1.46
7 Northwest_African 0.41
8 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 6.71
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.85
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.83
5 German (Dodecad) 13.29
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.73
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.88
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 20.63
9 French (Dodecad) 21.05
10 Polish (Dodecad) 21.1
11 French (HGDP) 21.31
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 22.07
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.31
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.33
15 English (Dodecad) 22.53
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.55
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 22.9
18 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 22.91
19 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.44
20 Norwegian (Dodecad) 23.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.92
2 52.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 47.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.93
3 53.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.26
4 50.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 49.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.4
5 80% Hungarians (Behar) + 20% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.48
6 50.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.49
7 83.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
8 64.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.52
9 83.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.52
10 66.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.65
11 87.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 12.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.68
12 55.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.73
13 50.3% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.75
14 59.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.78
15 51.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 48.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
16 64.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
17 56.5% Polish (Dodecad) + 43.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.82
18 50.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.89
19 55.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.91
20 55.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.93

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarians_Behar @ 7.383418
2 Romanians_Behar @ 10.879699
3 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 13.030885
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 13.148797
5 German_Dodecad @ 14.668662
6 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 20.604773
7 Dutch_Dodecad @ 21.902542
8 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 22.430296
9 French_Dodecad @ 22.945374
10 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.069046
11 French_HGDP @ 23.197088
12 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.079370
13 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.433371
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 24.521133
15 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 24.566778
16 English_Dodecad @ 24.793613
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 24.979416
18 Swedish_Dodecad @ 25.431641
19 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 25.792725
20 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 26.394262

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Dodecad +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Dodecad +25% TSI30_Metspalu +25% TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.786705
2 Greek_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad @ 0.900380
3 North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 0.906229
4 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.915388
5 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.941452
6 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.948825
7 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.984347
8 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.984638
9 Russian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830
10 Belorussian_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP @ 0.993936
11 C_Italian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 0.994504
12 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.008269
13 Russian_B_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.016361
14 Greek_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP @ 1.037249
15 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Russian_B_Behar + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.037705
16 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.038526
17 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.059908
18 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.063155
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.079696
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 1.082271

Ford

01-29-2019, 03:01 PM

did you try DNA land bruv ?

I noticed that too.

https://i.imgur.com/0tIc7po.png

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:03 PM

https://i.imgur.com/0tIc7po.png

Damn you get lot of Italian man, connected to your Roman haplogroup ? I doubt DNA land is accurate though

CommonSense

01-29-2019, 03:05 PM

Too bad Jana isn't here anymore. She'd probably argue that you being northern shifted is a result of partial Croatian ancestry :roll:

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 03:10 PM

Dodecad K12b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43
2 Atlantic_Med 26.71
3 Caucasus 20.66
4 Southwest_Asian 4.76
5 Gedrosia 2.96
6 Siberian 1.46
7 Northwest_African 0.41
8 East_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 6.71
2 Romanians (Behar) 9.85
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.83
5 German (Dodecad) 13.29
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.73
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.88
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 20.63
9 French (Dodecad) 21.05
10 Polish (Dodecad) 21.1
11 French (HGDP) 21.31
12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 22.07
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.31
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.33
15 English (Dodecad) 22.53
16 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.55
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 22.9
18 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 22.91
19 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.44
20 Norwegian (Dodecad) 23.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.92
2 52.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 47.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.93
3 53.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.26
4 50.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 49.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.4
5 80% Hungarians (Behar) + 20% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.48
6 50.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.49
7 83.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.52
8 64.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.52
9 83.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.52
10 66.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 33.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.65
11 87.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 12.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.68
12 55.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 44.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.73
13 50.3% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.75
14 59.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 40.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.78
15 51.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 48.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
16 64.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 35.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.79
17 56.5% Polish (Dodecad) + 43.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.82
18 50.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.89
19 55.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.91
20 55.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.93

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarians_Behar @ 7.383418
2 Romanians_Behar @ 10.879699
3 Bulgarian_Dodecad @ 13.030885
4 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev @ 13.148797
5 German_Dodecad @ 14.668662
6 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 20.604773
7 Dutch_Dodecad @ 21.902542
8 Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 22.430296
9 French_Dodecad @ 22.945374
10 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.069046
11 French_HGDP @ 23.197088
12 O_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.079370
13 N_Italian_Dodecad @ 24.433371
14 Kent_1000Genomes @ 24.521133
15 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 24.566778
16 English_Dodecad @ 24.793613
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 24.979416
18 Swedish_Dodecad @ 25.431641
19 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 25.792725
20 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 26.394262

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Dodecad +50% TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Dodecad +25% TSI30_Metspalu +25% TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.786705
2 Greek_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad @ 0.900380
3 North_Italian_HGDP + O_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 0.906229
4 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.915388
5 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.941452
6 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + Tuscan_HGDP @ 0.948825
7 Belorussian_Behar + Russian_HGDP + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.984347
8 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.984638
9 Russian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 0.989830
10 Belorussian_Behar + C_Italian_Dodecad + Mordovians_Yunusbayev + North_Italian_HGDP @ 0.993936
11 C_Italian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_B_Behar @ 0.994504
12 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.008269
13 Russian_B_Behar + Russian_Dodecad + TSI30_Metspalu + TSI30_Metspalu @ 1.016361
14 Greek_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_HGDP @ 1.037249
15 C_Italian_Dodecad + North_Italian_HGDP + Russian_B_Behar + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.037705
16 C_Italian_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.038526
17 O_Italian_Dodecad + Polish_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad + Tuscan_HGDP @ 1.059908
18 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad + Ukranians_Yunusbayev @ 1.063155
19 C_Italian_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + N_Italian_Dodecad + Russian_Dodecad @ 1.079696
20 Bulgarians_Yunusbayev + Greek_Dodecad + Mixed_Slav_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad @ 1.082271

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 55.47
2 Atlantic_Med 23.07
3 Caucasus 13.57
4 Gedrosia 2.99
5 Southwest_Asian 1.97
6 Siberian 1.71
7 East_Asian 0.46
8 East_African 0.44
9 South_Asian 0.29
10 Southeast_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 8.02
2 Polish (Dodecad) 8.1
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.58
4 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 10.34
5 German (Dodecad) 12.69
6 Russian (Dodecad) 13.35
7 Belorussian (Behar) 13.48
8 Russian_B (Behar) 14.17
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 14.58
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 15.08
11 Russian (HGDP) 15.5
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 17.77
13 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 19.33
14 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.26
15 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.29
16 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 22.37
17 Lithuanians (Behar) 22.56
18 Romanians (Behar) 22.61
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.99
20 English (Dodecad) 23.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 37.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.4
2 81.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 18.7% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.52
3 73.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.4% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.61
4 75.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.8% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.62
5 74.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 25.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.64
6 74.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.65
7 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.67
8 74.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.7
9 57.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.8% German (Dodecad) @ 1.73
10 71.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 28.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.73
11 56.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 43.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.74
12 75.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.4% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.75
13 68.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 31.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.79
14 74% Hungarians (Behar) + 26% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.8
15 80.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 19.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.81
16 66% Russian_B (Behar) + 34% French (HGDP) @ 1.82
17 79.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 20.6% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.83
18 83.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.84
19 74% Russian (Dodecad) + 26% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.88
20 75.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 24.5% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.88

Ford

01-29-2019, 03:10 PM

Damn you get lot of Italian man, connected to your Roman haplogroup ? I doubt DNA land is accurate though

DNA land is pretty shit, my results differ dramatically depending on raw data used. 23andme's v5 gives me 36% Northwest Euro. Don't know how much the haplogroup comes into play, but I can add that from my Y37 results, I only have 2 matches at a 37 marker lever, one of which belongs to another subclade.

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 03:11 PM

Too bad Jana isn't here anymore. She'd probably argue that you being northern shifted is a result of partial Croatian ancestry :roll:

She know for Ford's results (K13 and K12b). I sented link to her on other forum.

She said: "This Serb is quite northern shifted."

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 03:14 PM

She know for Ford's results (K13 and K12b). I sented link to her on other forum.

She said: "This Serb is quite northern shifted."

Kingdom of Hungary shifted..

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 03:17 PM

Kingdom of Hungary shifted..

Jana is only little more northern shifted than Ford, and she has German and norhwestern Croatian ancestors.

She got I think 44,5 North_European on Dodecad.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 03:34 PM

Jana is only little more northern shifted than Ford, and she has German and norhwestern Croatian ancestors.

She got I think 44,5 North_European on Dodecad.

There was Saxons with origin in Saxony living in Kingdom of Hungary

I even seen Saxon church from somewhere in Yugoslavia in this forum posted

The reality a lot of Balkaners could assimilate Saxons in middle age, same with my father family and they did. I have some low Germanic admixture in my DNA 14.4%. 6.4% is show as Saxony Germany, the other 8% Scandinavian (mother side is more likely bulk of Scandinavian)

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:36 PM

Jana is only little more northern shifted than Ford, and she has German and norhwestern Croatian ancestors.

She got I think 44,5 North_European on Dodecad.

Jana is part southeastern Serb bro. She scores Pirot as region of ancestry on 23andme lol

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 03:36 PM

Jana is only little more northern shifted than Ford, and she has German and norhwestern Croatian ancestors.

She got I think 44,5 North_European on Dodecad.

Judging by her photos, she looks fully Northern Euro.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:39 PM

DNA land is pretty shit, my results differ dramatically depending on raw data used. 23andme's v5 gives me 36% Northwest Euro. Don't know how much the haplogroup comes into play, but I can add that from my Y37 results, I only have 2 matches at a 37 marker lever, one of which belongs to another subclade.

DNA Land is shit for me too, I get high Balkan there and I don't get it nowhere else. Peterski told me even ethnic Poles get weird results like that though. Wouldn't take it as very reliable test.

Dick

01-29-2019, 03:39 PM

Soon.

You're probably I2a-Din

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:41 PM

You're probably I2a-Din

That, or R1a

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 03:42 PM

Jana is part southeastern Serb bro. She scores Pirot as region of ancestry on 23andme lol

Her Serbian ancestors are from Lika (Momčilović family). Her great-great-grandfather was Lika Serb.

Momčilovići from Lika are R1a-M458.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:45 PM

Her Serbian ancestors are from Lika (Momčilović family). Her great-great-grandfather was Lika Serb.

Momčilovići from Lika are R1a-M458.

Interesting, I guess they came to Lika from Torlak region and that's why she gets Pirot.

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 03:46 PM

You're probably I2a-Din

50/50

I can be R1a, or maybe E-V13 xD

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 03:49 PM

Interesting how many people from Bosnia, Serbia and Croatia have Moldova (no matter what part) as the closest population to them.

Of course. Not only Romania is Balkan, but Moldova as well.
I know the narrative in Moldova is nowhere near accepting this simple fact.

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 03:50 PM

Interesting, I guess they came to Lika from Torlak region and that's why she gets Pirot.

Momčilovići once had surname Bursać.
Bursaći are recorded in western Bosnia in 16th century. Milan Karanović wrote for Bursaći that they were in Bosnia before Ottomans ("Turčin ih je zatekao u Bosni").
Both are probably related with Tesla family (also R1a-M458). All of them celebrate Đurđevdan and have same y dna.

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 03:52 PM

Of course. Not only Romania is Balkan, but Moldova as well.
I know the narrative in Moldova is nowhere near accepting this simple fact.

I specified Moldova, Wallachia (Muntenia/Oltenia) as you can see, not so much.

Lucas

01-29-2019, 03:52 PM

Why Jana was banned?

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 03:53 PM

Why Jana was banned?

She was not banned, she decided to leave.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 03:55 PM

Her Serbian ancestors are from Lika (Momčilović family). Her great-great-grandfather was Lika Serb.

Momčilovići from Lika are R1a-M458.

I was supposed to run her in my calculator, then she got banned from anthrogenica for argue with me that she 65% Slavic and the rest Balkan. She was complaining that Croatians have 0% Germanic admixture and they ban her because she was only one out of around 50 users I ran in my calculators that was complaining and trying undermine my work

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 03:56 PM

I specified Moldova, Wallachia (Muntenia/Oltenia) as you can see, not so much.

Wallachia just as much. Not with the same Balkan regions though.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 03:58 PM

Of course. Not only Romania is Balkan, but Moldova as well.
I know the narrative in Moldova is nowhere near accepting this simple fact.

Not really man, Moldovans cluster closer to us Southern Slavs who don't cluster with Romanians or Bulgarians.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 04:00 PM

Not really man, Moldovans cluster closer to us Southern Slavs who don't cluster with Romanians or Bulgarians.

Bulgarians are South Slavs and live in the proper Balkans, what are you talking about?

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:01 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:02 PM

Bulgarians are South Slavs and live in the proper Balkans, what are you talking about?

We don't cluster anywhere near Bulgarians lmao, much closer to Western Slavs. There is no south slavic genetics man.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 04:05 PM

Lmao Jana is weird person. She teached me a lot about genetics though, and gave me good recommendations which test to try.

I read some of her post, she knows more history than genetics, but history can be made into propaganda where genetics can not.

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 04:06 PM

Wallachia just as much. Not with the same Balkan regions though.

Most closest Balkan populations to Moldavians (both from today RM, and Moldova region from Romania) are Western Balkanites, Serbs, Bosnians and Croatians. Wallachians are close to Bulgarians, Macedonians and Greeks. Since Moldavians are half Slavs, half Balkanites, this make sense.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 04:08 PM

We don't cluster anywhere near Bulgarians lmao, much closer to Western Slavs. There is no south slavic genetics man.

That's normal.
Bulgarians are the only Slavs that crossed Romania during migration.
The others went round it.

Western Balkan Slavs migrated around the Northern Carpathians, and entered Pannonia in Slovakia (like the Mongols did).
That's why they're closer to (South) Western Slavs, but also have some similarities with the Moldovans.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:08 PM

I read some of her post, she knows more history than genetics, but history can be made into propaganda where genetics can not.

Wouldn't agree about that though. It's correct Croats have very low Germanic DNA. It was just a political propaganda during WW2 because NDH allied with Germans, nothing more.

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 04:10 PM

There was Saxons with origin in Saxony living in Kingdom of Hungary

I even seen Saxon church from somewhere in Yugoslavia in this forum posted

The reality a lot of Balkaners could assimilate Saxons in middle age, same with my father family and they did. I have some low Germanic admixture in my DNA 14.4%. 6.4% is show as Saxony Germany, the other 8% Scandinavian (mother side is more likely bulk of Scandinavian)

There are some Serbs which carry R1b-U106 and I2-M223 and they are mostly from areas where Saxon miners lived in middle age (Kosovo, Kopaonik).
One Serb from near Kopaonik who carry I2-M223 have matches in Germany in y dna.
Dick's haplogroup probably came with Saxon miners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons_in_medieval_Serbia

Saxon church is in one village on Kopaonik mountain in Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopaonik

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 04:12 PM

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 04:18 PM

Sorry, you skip your cousins Western and Southern Ukrainians, Eastern Hungarians

I speak about genetical conection with Balkan Slavs, and most closest to us are Western Balkan Slavs. Of course biggest part of Slavic influence is from Ruthenians (aka today Ukrainians), especially the Western ones, some Slavic DNA is from Hungarians (Csango people).

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 04:22 PM

Wouldn't agree about that though. It's correct Croats have very low Germanic DNA. It was just a political propaganda during WW2 because NDH allied with Germans, nothing more.

No some Croats from Pannonia have high Germanic, higher in Slovenia most places

I can show some genetic data result if you want

Poles like me are low Germanic, LukaszM I seen in other forum is only Pole who is seen with lower Germanic than me couple %. There is also Krabat like Peterski 40% Germanic..

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:25 PM

No some Croats from Pannonia have high Germanic, higher in Slovenia most places

I can show some genetic data result if you want

Poles like me are low Germanic, LukaszM I seen in other forum is only Pole who is seen with lower Germanic than me couple %. There is also Krabat like Peterski 40% Germanic..

I wasn't speaking about northern Croats but Croats in general. wtf is Krabat, are you trolling or something ? Funny how strongly Germanic Peterski is, he don't like Germans very much.

To put it short: Slovenes, North Croats : Slavic + German + Illyrian

rest of Croats (also Bosniaks, Bosnian and Croatian Serbs) : Slavic + Illyrian

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 04:27 PM

I speak about genetical conection with Balkan Slavs, and most closest to us are Western Balkan Slavs. Of course biggest part of Slavic influence is from Ruthenians (aka today Ukrainians), especially the Western ones, some Slavic DNA is from Hungarians (Csango people).

Vlachs, Saxons, Slavs, Jews maybe some other stuff but I don't want offend your nationalism too much

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 04:27 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:29 PM

Some islanders probably have Greeko-Roman influence.

Some Dalmatian islands have high J2.

Yeah, probably. Some chink is in there too lol

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 04:32 PM

Mingle

01-29-2019, 04:36 PM

I was supposed to run her in my calculator, then she got banned from anthrogenica for argue with me that she 65% Slavic and the rest Balkan. She was complaining that Croatians have 0% Germanic admixture and they ban her because she was only one out of around 50 users I ran in my calculators that was complaining and trying undermine my work

Croats are around 65% Slav though. Kind of weird that they banned her for that. And IIRC you grouped Croats together with Albos and Greeks under some "Mediterranean" category when they are genetically very distant so it made sense for her to object to it. She wasn't the only user to object to it, but she was the only one that argued with you.

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 04:41 PM

Mingle

01-29-2019, 04:43 PM

I wasn't speaking about northern Croats but Croats in general. wtf is Krabat, are you trolling or something ? Funny how strongly Germanic Peterski is, he don't like Germans very much.

To put it short: Slovenes, North Croats : Slavic + German + Illyrian

rest of Croats (also Bosniaks, Bosnian and Croatian Serbs) : Slavic + Illyrian

I would replace Illyrian with "Southern European/Balkan", North Croat with "Northwest Croat" (Slavonians are mostly of Bosnian origin if I'm not mistaken), and add Hungarians to that first row. Otherwise, it seems accurate.

I don't think Poles are "strongly Germanic". They're still easily closer to East Slavs than to the easternmost Germans. Maybe some southern Poles are an exception to this.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 04:46 PM

I would replace Illyrian with "Southern European/Balkan", North Croat with "Northwest Croat" (Slavonians are mostly of Bosnian origin if I'm not mistaken), and add Hungarians to that first row. Otherwise, it seems accurate.

I don't think Poles are "strongly Germanic". They're still easily closer to East Slavs than to the easternmost Germans. Maybe some southern Poles are an exception to this.

Peterski is western Pole iirc

Mingle

01-29-2019, 04:48 PM

Peterski is western Pole iirc

Western Poles are closer to East Slavs than they are to East Germans. They're close enough to form a single cluster.

Pribislav

01-29-2019, 04:49 PM

Yeah, probably. Some chink is in there too lol

These places have the highest J2 in Croatia.
- Island Pašman 16,6%
- Island Cres 14,1%
- Island Krk 10,8%
- Island Ugljan 10,2%
- Osijek 10,2%

Posted by Jana https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=73500213&postcount=3853

Aspirin

01-29-2019, 05:06 PM

Vlachs, Saxons, Slavs, Jews maybe some other stuff but I don't want offend your nationalism too much

Nationalist? Where? Under word Balkanites I mean of course Vlach people. Here came and other people from Balkans under pressure of Ottomans, especially many Serbs. Saxons was mostly urban population, their presence was big from XIVth to XVIth centuries, but big impact on local population in terms of genetics I don't know if they had, they don't really loved to mix. Their influence is seen in local architecture, wich is very big, and they introduced here viticulture. Most of the Jews came here in the last 200-250 years, from Poland and Russia/Ukraine. After WW2, they are very few here, impact on local genetics is very minimal, more minimal than Saxons. Ruthenians and Hungarians (Csango) was biggest minorites who lived here.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 05:39 PM

Most closest Balkan populations to Moldavians (both from today RM, and Moldova region from Romania) are Western Balkanites, Serbs, Bosnians and Croatians. Wallachians are close to Bulgarians, Macedonians and Greeks. Since Moldavians are half Slavs, half Balkanites, this make sense.

I would agree with this approximation: half Balkanites, half Slavs.

But Romanians are not necessarily further from Western Balkans than Moldovans, see this chart published in a PLOS One paper last year:

South Moldovans: Md-K, North Moldovans: Md-S, Romanians: Ro, Serbs: Se, Croats: Cr, Bosnians: Bo
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0053731.g002&type=large

How sampling is done still affects the results a lot.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 05:56 PM

I would agree with this approximation: half Balkanites, half Slavs.

But Romanians are not necessarily further from Western Balkans than Moldovans, see this chart published in a PLOS One paper last year:

South Moldovans: Md-K, North Moldovans: Md-S, Romanians: Ro, Serbs: Se, Croats: Cr, Bosnians: Bo
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0053731.g002&type=large

How sampling is done still affects the results a lot.

this looks like Y DNA clustering

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 05:58 PM

this looks like Y DNA clustering

that's what it is

please don't give me the bullshit that autosomal DNA clusterings are more valid.

Not a Cop

01-29-2019, 05:59 PM

that's what it is

please don't give me the bullshit that autosomal DNA clusterings are more valid.

They are.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 05:59 PM

that's what it is

please don't give me the bullshit that autosomal DNA clusterings are more valid.

Lmao ofcourse they are. Y dna tells no more than 1% of your ancestry dude

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 06:43 PM

Lmao ofcourse they are. Y dna tells no more than 1% of your ancestry dude

Dude, you have no idea what you talking about.
Y chromosome is the only part of the DNA that gets passed fully from the male parent to the male child. All the rest of the DNA is a mishmash from both parents. This is the reason why we can build extremely precise phylogenetic trees on Y-DNA, and we cannot do the same with autosomal DNA.

Clusterings you get with autosomal DNA are a shit method for studying ancestry, compared to the clades of the phylogenetic tree. Autosomal DNA can only tell whether populations have acquired similar mutations. That's it. No deep ancestry can be assessed with it.

Dick

01-29-2019, 06:50 PM

Ydna clustering is odd. There’s a lot of people that wouldn’t even cluster to their respective ethnicities

Dick

01-29-2019, 06:52 PM

Lmao ofcourse they are. Y dna tells no more than 1% of your ancestry dude

It’s good for us balkaners to find out which tribe/clan our ancestors belonged to. As for other euros it dosnt really matter.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 06:59 PM

Dude, you have no idea what you talking about.
Y chromosome is the only part of the DNA that gets passed fully from the male parent to the male child. All the rest of the DNA is a mishmash from both parents. This is the reason why we can build extremely precise phylogenetic trees on Y-DNA, and we cannot do the same with autosomal DNA.

Clusterings you get with autosomal DNA are a shit method for studying ancestry, compared to the clades of the phylogenetic tree. Autosomal DNA can only tell whether populations have acquired similar mutations. That's it. No deep ancestry can be assessed with it.

Completely wrong. But I guess you have no clue about genetics. According to your retarded views I would cluster with Dutch and Germans and Dick would cluster with Scandinavians.
Autosomal is your entire ancestry, it shows what you are made of and which populations are similar to you.

Not a Cop

01-29-2019, 06:59 PM

It’s good for us balkaners to find out which tribe/clan our ancestors belonged to. As for other euros it dosnt really matter.

I believe it will be the same as we get more data and genealogical info, it's possible on Balkans as most people still know their tribe/clan allegation.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 06:59 PM

Ydna clustering is odd. There’s a lot of people that wouldn’t even cluster to their respective ethnicities

Clusterings are bad with both ydna and adna, for different reasons.
YDNA clades are solid though.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 07:00 PM

Ydna clustering is odd. There’s a lot of people that wouldn’t even cluster to their respective ethnicities

His countryman Daco Roman would cluster with Kosovo on tha map lmao, just because he is E-V13, even though his Romanian side is for sure different from Albanians.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 07:03 PM

His countryman Daco Roman would cluster with Kosovo on tha map lmao, just because he is E-V13, even though his Romanian side is for sure different from Albanians.

Then you go deeper in the tree, until it branches out.
There nothing more solid in ancestry than YDNA clades. No guesswork there.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 07:04 PM

Then you go deeper in the tree, until it branches out.
There nothing more solid in ancestry than YDNA clades. No guesswork there.

Looks like you're coping with the fact Romanians and Moldovans are genetically different people.

Dick

01-29-2019, 07:04 PM

I believe it will be the same as we get more data and genealogical info, it's possible on Balkans as most people still know their tribe/clan allegation.

Not in my case. I don’t belong to any clan but I kinda knew this before I did a ydna test

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 07:11 PM

Looks like you're coping with the fact Romanians and Moldovans are genetically different people.

Any subgroup of one ethnicity is somewhat different from another, what are you talking about?

Btw, the PLOS One paper I talked about earlier, found no significant differences between Romanians and Moldovans. But also no significant differences between Romanians and Moldovans (grouped together) and Balkanites, and no significant difference between Moldovans and East Slavs living nearby Moldova :D

All these local differences are small, whether some like it or not.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 07:13 PM

Any subgroup of one ethnicity is somewhat different from another, what are you talking about?

Btw, the PLOS One paper I talked about earlier, found no significant differences between Romanians and Moldovans. But also no significant differences between Romanians and Moldovans (grouped together) and Balkanites, and no significant difference between Moldovans and East Slavs living nearby Moldova :D

All these local differences are small, whether some like it or not.

ydna is irrelevant, keep trolling dude. there's big gap between Romania and Moldova on PCA charts, average Bosnian is closer to Moldovans than Wallachians are. You're just trying to distort the facts to fit your agenda.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 07:15 PM

ydna is irrelevant, keep trolling dude. there's big gap between Romania and Moldova on PCA charts, average Bosnian is closer to Moldovans than Wallachians are. You're just trying to distort the facts to fit your agenda.

Why is ydna irrelevant for studying ancestry?
Can you formulate an intelligent argument?

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 07:16 PM

Why is ydna irrelevant for studying ancestry?
Can you formulate an intelligent argument?

It shows only your direct male ancestor and nothing else, dumbass. American nigger with slave owner ydna will cluster with Brits on Ydna charts lmao. On autosomal that will never happen because it covers entire genome.

ixulescu

01-29-2019, 07:24 PM

It shows only your direct male ancestor and nothing else, dumbass. American nigger with slave owner ydna will cluster with Brits on Ydna charts lmao. On autosomal that will never happen because it covers entire genome.

Of course, that's the meaning of patrilineal ancestry. It can actually point to an European male ancestor.
adna won't necessarily be able to do that. adna only quantifies the allele distribution in a population. Similar allele frequencies can result without crossing ancestry lines.

Not a Cop

01-29-2019, 08:12 PM

Not in my case. I don’t belong to any clan but I kinda knew this before I did a ydna test

But doesn't your Y comes from some NW euro sourse?

Tschaikisten

01-29-2019, 08:57 PM

It shows only your direct male ancestor and nothing else, dumbass. American nigger with slave owner ydna will cluster with Brits on Ydna charts lmao. On autosomal that will never happen because it covers entire genome.

Yeah, it's ''very important'' to know who was your great-grandmother's great granfather, and does she haved some Vlach or Nordic input from her great-grandfathers maternal side. :rofl_002:Retarded as fuck.

This is Europe/Balkans, not fucking New World. We know where we generally cluster, but Y-DNA can tell us much more, espessialy about our direct male ancestors.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 09:53 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 09:54 PM

Yeah, it's ''very important'' to know who was your great-grandmother's great granfather, and does she haved some Vlach or Nordic input from her great-grandfathers maternal side. :rofl_002:Retarded as fuck.

This is Europe/Balkans, not fucking New World. We know where we generally cluster, but Y-DNA can tell us much more, espessialy about our direct male ancestors.

Only dinaric Talibans and Albanians care about y dna so much, in that you're similar. what are you talking about dude, before dna test i had no idea how will i cluster and it came as huge suprise.

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 09:58 PM

Set in the mid 17th century during thirty yeArs war, the story follows life of "Krabat" a 14 year old Wendish beggar boy living in eastern Saxony

Tschaikisten

01-29-2019, 09:59 PM

Only dinaric Talibans and Albanians care about y dna so much, in that you're similar. what are you talking about dude, before dna test i had no idea how will i cluster and it came as huge suprise.

You have thinked that you will cluster with Scandinavians, or Greeks, or Arabs? Don't make me laugh.

Of course that other lines of family are important (I have tested maternal cousin Y-DNA) and that autosomal matches could be useful for geneaological research of that lines, but your direct line is most useful and thankful for researching.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 10:01 PM

You have thinked that you will cluster with Scandinavians, or Greeks, or Arabs? Don't make me laugh.

Of course that other lines of family are important (I have tested maternal cousin Y-DNA) and that autosomal matches could be useful for geneaological research of that lines, but your direct line is most useful and thankful for researching.

Yeah, my Y dna points to non paternal event or rape, I'm really thrilled to learn more about it man.

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 10:02 PM

Set in the mid 17th century during thirty yeArs war, the story follows life of "Krabat" a 14 year old Wendish beggar boy living in eastern Saxony

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krabat_(novel)

aha, a fantasy novel

Tschaikisten

01-29-2019, 10:04 PM

Yeah, my Y dna points to non paternal event or rape, I'm really thrilled to learn more about it man.
Also there could be non-paternal events in other lines, but you will harder determine it, or literally there is no chance for it. Autosomal dna can not tell you about that, especially when rapists have same autosomal picture like in this region.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-29-2019, 10:06 PM

Also there could be non-paternal events in other lines, but you will harder determine it, or literally there is no chance for it. Autosomal dna can not tell you about that, especially when rapists have same autosomal picture like in this region.

what's your mother side ydna ?

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 10:07 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krabat_(novel)

aha, a fantasy novel

Krabat is Sorbian folkhero

Tschaikisten

01-29-2019, 10:11 PM

what's your mother side ydna ?

Grandpa from my maternal side died last year before I was going to test him, so I must find some cousin from that side for test. Year before cousin from my maternal's grandma side is tested (I have payed test), he's R1a-Z280>YP951 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP951/).

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 10:55 PM

Croats are around 65% Slav though. Kind of weird that they banned her for that. And IIRC you grouped Croats together with Albos and Greeks under some "Mediterranean" category when they are genetically very distant so it made sense for her to object to it. She wasn't the only user to object to it, but she was the only one that argued with you.

I think you talk about my trial calculators..

This NEW calculator K10 Balto Slavic and works best for ALL Europeans, if you have Global 25 coordinates I can send result, no problem.

K10 Balto Slavic statistics:

Component peaks in

North African - Ethiopian Jew 66%
Anatolian Pontic - Iraqi Jew 87%
Central Asian - Uzbek 74%
South Balkan - Montenegrin 70%
Mediterranean Islander - Maltese, Ashkenazi Jew 77%
Iberian and Italian Peninsulas - French South 77%
Pannonian and Bessarabian- Hungarian, Moldovan 46%
Balkan - Serbian, Croatian 70%
Northwest European - Irish 93%
Baltic - Lithuanian 95%

(Cumansky) @ 1.0811

52.8 Baltic
21.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
13.2 Balkan
7.4 South Balkan
3.2 Northwest European
1.4 North African
0.8 Central Asian

(Portuguese) @ 2.2719

50 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
35.4 Mediterranean Islander
10.2 Northwest European
4.4 North African

(British, Irish) @ 1.7352

90.6 Northwest European
3.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
2.4 Baltic
2.2 Mediterranean Islander
1.4 Balkan

(Albanian) @ 3.4905

33.6 South Balkan
21.6 Balkan
16.6 Anatolian Pontic
15.8 Mediterranean Islander
12.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas

(Scottish) @ 0.7527

94.2 Northwest European
2.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.6 Baltic
0.8 Central Asian
0.8 Balkan

(Romanian) @ 1.1472

50 South Balkan
30 Pannonian and Bessarabian
7.4 Balkan
5.2 Baltic
4.6 Central Asian
3.2 Northwest European

(Bulgarian) @ 2.0856

41.4 South Balkan
24.6 Anatolian Pontic
12.8 Central Asian
5.8 Balkan
5.4 Northwest European
4.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
3.2 Mediterranean Islander
2.6 North African

(Croatian) @ 0.8801

35.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
22.4 Baltic
20.2 Balkan
15.6 Northwest European
6 South Balkan

(Cossack Ukrainian Academic Sample) @ 1.0972

56.4 Baltic
34 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.2 Balkan
2.4 Central Asian
2 Northwest European

(Cossack Kuban Academic Sample) @ 2.1286

60 Baltic
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
11.6 Northwest European
6 Central Asian
4.2 South Balkan
2.4 Balkan

(Balkan Turk) @ 1.8362

36.6 Anatolian Pontic
32 Balkan
8.2 South Balkan
8.2 Mediterranean Islander
6.8 Central Asian
6.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 North African

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 10:59 PM

I think you talk about my trial calculators..

This NEW calculator K10 Balto Slavic and works best for ALL Europeans, if you have Global 25 coordinates I can send result, no problem.

you still haven't sent to me

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 11:07 PM

you still haven't sent to me

My bad computer not working so cannot use R, for Webrunner nMonte not loading in phone or other device, I try to dig some Lithuanian samples now..

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 11:12 PM

My bad computer not working so cannot use R, for Webrunner nMonte not loading in phone or other device, I try to dig some Lithuanian samples now..

Strange. Website is working fine for me. Your calc is there but it is not publicly available, right?

Lemgrant

01-29-2019, 11:19 PM

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 11:25 PM

German @ 0.3124

62.2 Northwest European
13.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
6.6 Baltic
6.6 Balkan
5 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
4.4 South Balkan
1.6 Mediterranean Islander

Scythian Ukraine 009 @ 4.0361

52.4 Baltic
15.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
11.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
8.2 Northwest European
7.4 Balkan
5.2 South Balkan

Scythian Ukraine 010 @ 3.6713

26.2 Balkan
24.2 Baltic
17.4 Northwest European
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
10 South Balkan
6.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas

Scythian Ukraine 011 @ 7.4036

58.2 Northwest European
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12.4 Anatolian Pontic
10.8 Central Asian
1.4 Baltic
1.4 North African

Kipchak @ 2.9297

74.6 Central Asian
6.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.8 Anatolian Pontic
5.4 Northwest European
2.4 South Balkan
1.8 Baltic
1.8 North African
1.6 Balkan

Avar Hungary Szolad @ 1.1872

50.8 Baltic
34.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
9.2 Northwest European
4.2 South Balkan
1.6 Balkan

Slovak 77 @ 1.1912

43.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
34.2 Baltic
12.8 South Balkan
6.6 Northwest European
3.2 Balkan

Polish 10 @ 2.2895

32.4 Baltic
30 Pannonian and Bessarabian
21.6 Northwest European
10.2 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
5 South Balkan
0.8 North African

Ukrainian 11 @ 1.1732

40 Baltic
25.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
17.6 Balkan
8.2 Northwest European
6.8 South Balkan
1.6 Central Asian

Ukrainian 21 @ 1.4293

56.4 Baltic
31.6 Balkan
9.4 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.6 South Balkan

Russian Orel 89 @ 1.1161

47.4 Baltic
37.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
8.8 Balkan
2.8 South Balkan
2.2 Northwest European
1.6 Central Asian

Lithuanian E2 @ 1.7893

83.4 Baltic
10.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
3.4 Balkan
1.6 South Balkan
0.8 Northwest European

Mordovian 10 @ 2.8382

61.4 Baltic
24.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12.8 Central Asian
0.8 Balkan
0.8 South Balkan

(Bosnian Serb) @ 1.3671

40.8 South Balkan
24.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
23.4 Balkan
10 Baltic
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Northwest European

Cumansky

01-29-2019, 11:29 PM

Bulgarian H2 @ 1.8426

58.8 Balkan
31.8 Mediterranean Islander
7 Anatolian Pontic
2.4 South Balkan

Slovenian 147 @ 1.2261

38.6 Balkan
26.6 Baltic
18 Pannonian and Bessarabian
9.2 Northwest European
6.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas

Croatian 140 @ 1.3158

70 Balkan
18.4 Northwest European
4.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.4 South Balkan
2.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.8 Mediterranean Islander
0.8 North African

Romanian G408 @ 1.3712

62.4 South Balkan
18.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12 Balkan
3.4 Mediterranean Islander
1.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Anatolian Pontic
0.8 Central Asian
0.8 North African

Bosnian 13 @ 1.1518

46.4 South Balkan
25.8 Balkan
19.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
6.8 Baltic
1.8 Anatolian Pontic

Montenegrin 5 @ 0.4806

70.2 South Balkan
14 Balkan
10.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.4 Northwest European
1.6 Mediterranean Islander
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Central Asian

Macedonian 6 @ 1.3851

65.8 Balkan
10.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
8.4 Anatolian Pontic
8.2 South Balkan
6.8 Mediterranean Islander

Serbian 5 @ 1.4158

67.4 Balkan
13.2 South Balkan
10.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.2 Northwest European
1.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.6 Baltic
0.8 Anatolian Pontic

Greek 10 @ 1.9987

44.2 South Balkan
21.6 Anatolian Pontic
21.2 Mediterranean Islander
13 Balkan

Albanian 230 @ 2.1459

38.2 Mediterranean Islander
26.4 South Balkan
25 Balkan
5.2 Anatolian Pontic
5.2 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas

Moldovan 748 @ 1.5262

41.2 Balkan
22.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
10.8 Anatolian Pontic
8.6 South Balkan
7.4 Northwest European
3.2 Mediterranean Islander
2.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
2.4 Central Asian
1.4 Baltic

Ford

01-29-2019, 11:42 PM

so 23andme rendered you mostly Bosnian/Croatian and not Serbian...?

In a sense, yes. Their matching system is based on ancestral locations of DNA relatives, which gives me Bosnia, Croatia and Greece as "likely" matches and Serbia and Romania as "possible" matches.

Dick

01-29-2019, 11:50 PM

But doesn't your Y comes from some NW euro sourse?
Yeah

In a sense, yes. Their matching system is based on ancestral locations of DNA relatives, which gives me Bosnia, Croatia and Greece as "likely" matches and Serbia and Romania as "possible" matches.

Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

Lemgrant

01-30-2019, 12:03 AM

Yeah

Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

:icon_lol:

Cumansky

01-30-2019, 12:12 AM

Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

In that case you get some Montenegrin in this calc (South Balkan) or (North African)

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 05:34 AM

Looks like you're coping with the fact Romanians and Moldovans are genetically different people.

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in averege for Moldavia are included citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...

Mingle

01-30-2019, 05:48 AM

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in sample for Moldavia are taken citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...Moldova's position on PCA plots makes sense given their geography. I don't think that Slavs are included in it. When collecting autosomal samples, then capital regions are avoided as these regions tend to have a mixture of many different ethnicities, at least that's what some users on Anthrogenica said. So if the samples wre collected from rural Moldova, then the chances of Slavs being included are low. But there were cases of Gyspsies and Jews being included in these so everything is possible.

The main reason for the difference between Moldova and Romania is because the Romanian sample is based off of Romanians from Southern Romania (Wallachia) and thus not representative for Romamians as a whole. Romania is a big country, bigger than Yugoslavia was, so it's expected that it has some genetic diversity. Then you have the Republic of Moldova which is even further north than Romania.

The genetic (autosomal) distance between Moldovans and South Romanians is similar to the genetic distance between Bosnians and Bulgarians. The geographic distance between Moldova and Romania is probably also similar to the geographic distance between Bosnia and Bulgaria.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 06:08 AM

Moldova's position on PCA plots makes sense given their geography. I don't think that Slavs are included in it. When collecting autosomal samples, then capital regions are avoided as these regions tend to have a mixture of many different ethnicities, at least that's what some users on Anthrogenica said. So if the samples wre collected from rural Moldova, then the chances of Slavs being included are low. But there were cases of Gyspsies and Jews being included in these so everything is possible.

The main reason for the difference between Moldova and Romania is because the Romanian sample is based off of Romanians from Southern Romania (Wallachia) and thus not representative for Romamians as a whole. Romania is a big country, bigger than Yugoslavia was, so it's expected that it has some genetic diversity. Then you have the Republic of Moldova which is even further north than Romania.

The genetic (autosomal) distance between Moldovans and South Romanians is similar to that between Bosnians and Bulgarians. The geographic distance between Moldova and Romania is probably also similar to the geographic distance between Bosnia and Bulgaria.

All genetic avereges which I see for Europe are by countries, not by ethnicities. For researches for Moldova for example it's normal to be taken samples of citizens of Moldova and Moldova is known as multi-ethnic country.
Or other example, all researches for Serbia autosomal and y dna is not equal as for ethnic Serbs. Serbia (without Kosovo) has 20% minorities and majority of them are more southern shifted than ethnic Serbs: Sandžakians, non-Serb Montenegrins, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Gypsies... Their samples make that country Serbia ploting more southern than ethnic Serbs. As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
Averages should be created by ethnicities, not countries. Can you imagine autosomal average for USA or Brazil? That would be horor, both are multi-racial contries.

Leto

01-30-2019, 06:39 AM

All genetic avereges which I see for Europe are by countries, not by ethnicities. For researches for Moldova for example it's normal to be taken samples of citizens of Moldova and Moldova is known as multi-ethnic country.
Or other example, all researches for Serbia autosomal and y dna is not equal as for ethnic Serbs. Serbia (without Kosovo) has 20% minorities and majority of them are more southern shifted than ethnic Serbs: Sandžakians, non-Serb Montenegrins, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Gypsies... Their samples make that country Serbia ploting more southern than ethnic Serbs. As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
Averages should be created by ethnicities, not countries. Can you imagine autosomal average for USA or Brazil? That would be horor, both are multi-racial contries.
Um, I think you're being wrong here. Those are the averages for ethnic groups, not for countries. German means ethnic German, English means ethnic English, Russian means ethnic Russian, etc. Most (if not all) of those reference populations were made of samples taken from people who stated at least 4 grandparents as being of the same ethnicity. However it is definitely true that some references do not represent their countries accurately.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 06:53 AM

Um, I think you're being wrong here. Those are the averages for ethnic groups, not for countries. German means ethnic German, English means ethnic English, Russian means ethnic Russian, etc. Most (if not all) of those reference populations were made of samples taken from people who stated at least 4 grandparents as being of the same ethnicity.

Even Mortimer can declared self as Serb if he feels like that, regardlees he is more than 50% Gypsy. He can say that he is Serb, but his autosomal result don't have any sense for ethnic Serbs.

I wonder why every single Serb whose results I have seen here (I have seen 7-8 ) are more northern ploting than "Serbian" average? Obvious something is wrong with Serbian average...

This map show % of I2a1b2a1 in Europe. 35% is in Serbia yes that is true, but ethnic Serbs have 37% I2a1b2a1 on sample of 2500. I2a1b2a1 fell for 2% due to minorities.
https://forum.krstarica.com/cache-img/5/5/556e1f90b7209685d591910910cc9564.jpg

Leto

01-30-2019, 06:56 AM

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Bulgarians. Tatars are very few actually.

Moldova in 1989:
64.5% Moldovans
13.8% Ukrainians
13% Russians
3.5% Gagauz
2% Bulgarians
1.5% Jews
1.7% others

And in 2014 (excl. Transnistria):
75.1% Moldovans
7% Romanians
6.6% Ukrainians
4.6% Gagauz
4.1% Russians
1.9% Bulgarians
1% others

Leto

01-30-2019, 07:00 AM

Even Mortimer can declared self as Serb if he feels like that, regardlees he is more than 50% Gypsy. He can say that he is Serb, but his autosomal result don't have any sense for ethnic Serbs.

I wonder why every single Serb whose results I have seen here (I have seen 7-8 ) are more northern ploting than "Serbian" average? Obvious something is wrong with Serbian average...

Mortimer is half Gypsy, he doesn't have 4 grandparents that are/were Serbs. Like I said, sometimes averages are based on samples that poorly represent their populations.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 07:02 AM

Bulgarians. Tatars are very few actually.

Moldova in 1989:
64.5% Moldovans
13.8% Ukrainians
13% Russians
3.5% Gagauz
2% Bulgarians
1.5% Jews
1.7% others

And in 2014:
75.1% Moldovans
7% Romanians
6.6% Ukrainians
4.6% Gagauz
4.1% Russians
1.9% Bulgarians
1% others

11% Russians+Ukrainians is enough to make Moldavian average quite northern than Romanian one, and give fake picture that Romanians and Moldavians are very different autosomally.
I bealive that Latin speaking Moldavians are just little more northern than Romanian average, and same as northern Romanians (from Bukovina, Transylvania).

Leto

01-30-2019, 07:05 AM

15% Russians/Ukrainians is enough to make Moldavian average quite northern than Romanian one, and give fake picture that Romanians and Moldavians are very different autosomally.
I bealive that Latin speaking Moldavians are just little more northern than Romanian average, and same as northern Romanians (from Bukovina, Transylvania).
I'm pretty sure people who identify as Russian/Ukrainian or half those ethnicities were not included in the Moldovan reference population.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 07:17 AM

Only dinaric Talibans and Albanians care about y dna so much, in that you're similar. what are you talking about dude, before dna test i had no idea how will i cluster and it came as huge suprise.

Croatia and Croatian nation are in the hands of Croatian "Dinaric Talibans" from Herzegovina and Dalmatian Hinterland for decades.
Deal with it! :)

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 10:20 AM

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in averege for Moldavia are included citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...

Minorities are not included in statistics.

Croatia and Croatian nation are in the hands of Croatian "Dinaric Talibans" from Herzegovina and Dalmatian Hinterland for decades.
Deal with it! :)

Not forever.

Aspirin

01-30-2019, 10:25 AM

Poor Pribislav, so badly want to niggerized an ethnicity who is more North shifted than his, because don't fit his agenda.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 10:41 AM

Poor Pribislav, so badly want to niggerized an ethnicity who is more North shifted than his, because don't fit his agenda.

I'm defending Romanian interests. :)
I see Moldavians (Latin speaking) as Romanians in denial. You guys remind me on Montenegrins, who are Serbs in denial.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 10:49 AM

Not forever.

Northern and northwestern Croatians are not capable to lead Croatian nation as "Dinaric Taliban" Croatians.

Same is in Serbian case. Vojvodinians and Torlaks are not capable as Dinaric Serbs who are elite in Serbian nation for centuries.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 10:53 AM

Northern and northwestern Croatians are not capable to lead Croatian nation as "Dinaric Taliban" Croatians.

Same is in Serbian case. Vojvodinians and Torlaks are not capable as Dinaric Serbs who are elite in Serbian nation for centuries.

Lmao, Tuđman and Tito were both northwest Croats. You can't have sucessful nation if it's led by people from most backward and ottoman influenced parts.
These people care for their kin only , are highly corrupted and have more of tribal than national well-being in mind.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 11:06 AM

Lmao, Tuđman and Tito were both northwest Croats. You can't have sucessful nation if it's led by people from most backward and ottoman influenced parts.
These people care for their kin only , are highly corrupted and have more of tribal than national well-being in mind.

Tuđman was s Jew. Tito was of unknown origin.

Croatian Dinaric Talibans: Ante Starčević, Ante Pavelić, Maks Luburić, don Ivan Šarić, Mile Budak, Krunoslav Draganović, Tomislav Filipović ("fra satan"), Andrija Artuković, Jure Francetić, Gojko Šušak, Ante Gotovina, Mate Boban, Blaž Kraljević, Ante Trumbić, Milka Planinc, Ivan Meštrović, Mate Granić, Miljenko Hrkač, Zdravko Mamić, Milan Bandić, Ivica Todorić, Ivo Josipović, Stipe Mesić, Zoran Milanović, Marko Perković Tompson...

There is no Zagorci in Croatian political and economic elite, and very few in intelectual elite.

IncelSlayer

01-30-2019, 11:25 AM

11% Russians+Ukrainians is enough to make Moldavian average quite northern than Romanian one, and give fake picture that Romanians and Moldavians are very different autosomally.
I bealive that Latin speaking Moldavians are just little more northern than Romanian average, and same as northern Romanians (from Bukovina, Transylvania).

There's a shit ton more russians/ukraineans in R.Moldova than 11% but just like gypsies they declare themselves under this new "moldovan" banner.
Around a quarter are rus/ukr and from the rest of romanians there most have atleast one rus/ukr relative down the line.

Aspirin

01-30-2019, 11:31 AM

I'm defending Romanian interests. :)
I see Moldavians (Latin speaking) as Romanians in denial. You guys remind me on Montenegrins, who are Serbs in denial.

Nah man, you just consider Romanians subhumans, I know your animalic hate especially to Vlachs, and the fear to not be related to them. And Moldavians since are more North shifted, of course don't fit you agenda of average nigger subhumans like you consider Romanians. This is the short explanation of your defending.

And Moldavian identity is older than today Romanian, which is very politized. Majority of Moldavians in RM did not identify themselves as Romanians, is a XIXth century concept under influence of French Revolution ideas. Today Romanian identity is just Wallachian one, in mentality, language and many others aspects. Even the name Romania was applied before 1859 only to Wallachia.

Dna8

01-30-2019, 11:31 AM

The majority of old timers I've spoken with say they could never quite place Tito's accent..

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 11:33 AM

There's a shit ton more russians/ukraineans in R.Moldova than 11% but just like gypsies they declare themselves under this new "moldovan" banner.
Around a quarter are rus/ukr and from the rest of romanians there most have atleast one rus/ukr relative down the line.

You mean Romanians in denial from Moldova so called national Moldavians trying to moldavized Russians, Ukrainians, Gagauz, Gypsies, Bulgarians... who are Moldavian citizens.

In Montenegro anti-Serbian national Montentenegins are brainwashed Serbs. They trying to montenegrized rest of Serbs in Montenegro who are still Serbs, and Muslims/Bosniaks, Gypsies and Croatians. Only Albanians are untouched with montenegrization.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 11:42 AM

Nah man, you just consider Romanians subhumans, I know your animalic hate especially to Vlachs, and the fear to not be related to them. And Moldavians since are more North shifted, of course don't fit you agenda of average nigger subhumans like you consider Romanians. This is the short explanation of your defending.

And Moldavian identity is older than today Romanian, which is very politized. Majority of Moldavians in RM did not identify themselves as Romanians, is a XIXth century concept under influence of French Revolution ideas. Today Romanian identity is just Wallachian one, in mentality, language and many others aspects. Even the name Romania was applied before 1859 only to Wallachia.

Wrong.
Romanians and Serbs are very friendly nations.

Modern Romania was created in 1859, so what? Have you ever heard for Ţara Românească?

Why Vlachs from eastern Serbia called themselves Rumani much before 1859?

Leto

01-30-2019, 11:58 AM

There's a shit ton more russians/ukraineans in R.Moldova than 11% but just like gypsies they declare themselves under this new "moldovan" banner.
Around a quarter are rus/ukr and from the rest of romanians there most have atleast one rus/ukr relative down the line.
In Moldova about 80% of kids go to Romanian-medium schools. I really doubt Russians would send their kids to non-Russian schools. There was a mass outflow of Russians and Russian speakers from the newly independent republics after 1991. Hell, even a lot of ethnic Moldovans keep going to Russia for work.

Aspirin

01-30-2019, 12:11 PM

Wrong.
I consider Romanians for very friendly nation towards the Serbs.

Modern Romania was created in 1859, so what? Have you ever heard for Ţara Românească?

Why Vlachs from eastern Serbia called themselves Rumani much before 1859?

Modern Romania is just Wallachia (Romania) who profited from terriotial losses of Moldova, and anexed this Principality. The people who made this was leftist subhumans, pro-Gypsy rights, who studied in French universities, from where they brought all this leftist degeneracy full of French Revolution ideas. This creation was made in blood, since in Moldova was a strong anti-Unionist movement, some Moldavians was killed by Wallachians and local Unionists. Today Moldavians from Romania are considered second class citizens, and Moldova is a periferic province without any investitions. We from RM was already part of Romania from 1918 to 1940, and Romanains traited us like properly subhumans, most of the elders who lived in that period, majority of them hate Romanians, and I understand why.

Vlachs from Eastern Serbia are bordering with Wallachia, this is the answer. In Wallachia "Rumun" was term for Serfs.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 12:25 PM

Tuđman was s Jew. Tito was of unknown origin.

Lmao Tuđman was not a Jew. Tito origin is well known, he was half Croat half Slovene like me, only difference his father was Croat and mother Slovenian.

ixulescu

01-30-2019, 12:29 PM

Modern Romania is just Wallachia (Romania) who profited from terriotial losses of Moldova, and anexed this Principality. The people who made this was leftist subhumans, pro-Gypsy rights, who studied in French universities, from where they brought all this leftist degeneracy full of French Revolution ideas. This creation was made in blood, since in Moldova was a strong anti-Unionist movement, some Moldavians was killed by Wallachians and local Unionists. Today Moldavians from Romania are considered second class citizens, and Moldova is a periferic province without any investitions. We from RM was already part of Romania from 1918 to 1940, and Romanains traited us like properly subhumans, most of the elders who lived in that period, majority of them hate Romanians, and I understand why.

Moldova had no options 150 years ago. It was to become either a poor peripheral gubernia in the Russian empire or part of Romania.

There was some political opposition to the Union in Moldova, because Russia and Austro-Hungary financed it.
Of course Russia and Austro-Hungary were against the union, both had territories claimed by Romania.

Regular folk in Moldova were enthusiastic unionists, this is why the integration of the two countries worked flawlessly. Moldova was by no means the poor sister in the old Romania. This is a phenomenon of the last 30 years, where most investment was made either in Transylvania or in the capital. Today, except for the capital, Wallachia is just as poor as Moldova.

And btw, the harshness of the interwar Romanian rule is Soviet propagandistic nonsense. If Romanians were so harsh with the Moldovans, Moldovans would not have fled in the hundreds of thousands to Romania when the Soviets came in. Spare me of that bullshit.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 12:30 PM

This creation was made in blood, since in Moldova was a strong anti-Unionist movement, some Moldavians was killed by Wallachians and local Unionists.

Same thing happened with Montenegro man, which was forcefully united with Serbia and occupied. Montenegrins consider themself Serbs and they are, but their country has very old tradition as indipendent realm and much of their elite was killed by pro-Serbian elements, as well as local Montenegrin dynasty Petrović was forced to abdicate after Montenegro was annexed by Serbia.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 12:31 PM

Modern Romania is just Wallachia (Romania) who profited from terriotial losses of Moldova, and anexed this Principality. The people who made this was leftist subhumans, pro-Gypsy rights, who studied in French universities, from where they brought all this leftist degeneracy full of French Revolution ideas. This creation was made in blood, since in Moldova was a strong anti-Unionist movement, some Moldavians was killed by Wallachians and local Unionists. Today Moldavians from Romania are considered second class citizens, and Moldova is a periferic province without any investitions. We from RM was already part of Romania from 1918 to 1940, and Romanains traited us like properly subhumans, most of the elders who lived in that period, majority of them hate Romanians, and I understand why.

Vlachs from Eastern Serbia are bordering with Wallachia, this is the answer. In Wallachia "Rumun" was term for Serfs.

Vlachs from eastern Serbian are settlers from Banat (around Timisoara) and Oltenia in period 1718-1739. They brought own original name Rumani 140 years before unification of Wallachia and Moldova in Romania.
Serbs call them Vlachs, and that does not exist on their language. Vlachs (Rumani) from eastern Serbia say for themselves on their language: "Eu sunt Rumân."

Dna8

01-30-2019, 12:34 PM

Vlachs from eastern Serbian are settlers from Banat (around Timisoara) and Oltenia in period 1718-1739. They brought own original name Rumani 140 years before unification of Wallachia and Moldova in Romania.
Serbs call them Vlachs, and that does not exist on their language. Vlachs (Rumani) from eastern Serbia say for themselves on their language: "Eu sunt Rumân."

But they don't think of themselves as Romanians or Romanian-Serbians or Serbians of Romanian descent..

I post this for nuance's sake..

Voskos

01-30-2019, 12:39 PM

Some hunnic magyar ancestry.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 12:41 PM

Same thing happened with Montenegro man, which was forcefully united with Serbia and occupied. Montenegrins consider themself Serbs and they are, but their country has very old tradition as indipendent realm and much of their elite was killed by pro-Serbian elements, as well as local Montenegrin dynasty Petrović was forced to abdicate after Montenegro was annexed by Serbia.

Idiot!
Parlament in Podgorica proclaimed unification of Montenegro with kingdom of Serbia in 1918. There was no any Serbian occupation. How Serb can occupy themselves? Montenegro was more Serbian state than Serbia in that time.
King Nikola was removed by local Serbs from Montenegro, not by Belgrade. In that time he was refugee in France. He escaped from Montenegro in 1916 when AU occupied Montenegro.
It was normal that king Petar Karađorđević became ruler of new state because Serbia defeated AU and king Petsr was in the battles. On the other hand Montenegro was not defeated AU, and Nikola escaped as coward.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 01:38 PM

Idiot!
Parlament in Podgorica proclaimed unification of Montenegro with kingdom of Serbia in 1918. There was no any Serbian occupation. How Serb can occupy themselves? Montenegro was more Serbian state than Serbia in that time.
King Nikola was removed by local Serbs from Montenegro, not by Belgrade. In that time he was refugee in France. He escaped from Montenegro in 1916 when AU occupied Montenegro.
It was normal that king Petar Karađorđević became ruler of new state because Serbia defeated AU and king Petsr was in the battles. On the other hand Montenegro was not defeated AU, and Nikola escaped as coward.

Don't make us laugh. Serbia didn't defeat anyone, you were defeated and moved remnants of your army to Corfu. It was your allies that defeated Austro-Hungary.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 01:45 PM

Don't make us laugh. Serbia didn't defeat anyone, you signed capitaluation and moved remnants of your army to Corfu. It was your allies that defeated Austro-Hungary.

Serbia gave significant contribution in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Front

When Serbia broke backbone of Bulgarian army in 1918 German kaiser was very angry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kaymakchalan

Don't forget how Serbia humiliated AU on Cer and Kolubara!

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 01:47 PM

Serbia gave significant contribution in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Front

When Serbia broke bsckbonr of Bulgarian army in 1918 German kaiser was very angry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kaymakchalan

Don't forget how Serbia humiliated AU on Cer and Kolubara!

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 02:02 PM

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

These are the best warriors in WW1!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Živojin_Mišić

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepa_Stepanović

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY3Zubdkw7A

Ford

01-30-2019, 02:12 PM

Serbs fought honorably in WW1 mate. Nobody disputed that. It's just Serbia was too small to defeat Austro-Hungary on it's own. I'm not trying to undermine bravery of Serbian army.

You are undermining Serbia's effort, even it it's not your intention. Serbia could very well have defeated AU on its own if it wasn't for German (and later Bulgarian) support. The initial invasion of Serbia by AU was a total fiasco which is probably one of the reasons they took out their frustrations on civilians during the Serbian retreat. The allies didn't win the war for Serbia, Serbia won it together with their allies (without Serbs the Thessaloniki front maybe would have never been broken), just as AU together with her allies defeated Serbia in 1915.

Pribislav

01-30-2019, 02:13 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 02:26 PM

You are undermining Serbia's effort, even it it's not your intention. Serbia could very well have defeated AU on its own if it wasn't for German (and later Bulgarian) support. The initial invasion of Serbia by AU was a total fiasco which is probably one of the reasons they took out their frustrations on civilians during the Serbian retreat. The allies didn't win the war for Serbia, Serbia won it together with their allies (without Serbs the Thessaloniki front maybe would have never been broken), just as AU together with her allies defeated Serbia in 1915.

Serbia wouldn't stand much chance if Austro-Hungarian command didn't arrogantly underestimated them. Not because Serb soldiers were inferior (actually they had edge due to defending their homeland and having previous battle experience from Balkan wars) but simply because Serbia couldn't match Austro-Hungary in man power and industrial output (weapons productions etc). Austro-Hungarian army was not modernized but it still had superior logistics and technology compared to Serbia. Also larger pool of men and reserves to draft for war.

Most Serbs do agree without allied help to transport their troops to Corfu they would have even bigger losses. Serbs lost most men during retreat trough Albania, thousands of captured Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers that were retreating with them also left their bones there.

Ford

01-30-2019, 02:37 PM

Serbia wouldn't stand much chance if Austro-Hungarian command didn't arrogantly underestimated them. Not because Serb soldiers were inferior (actually they had edge due to defending their homeland and having previous battle experience from Balkan wars) but simply because Serbia couldn't match Austro-Hungary in man power and industrial output (weapons productions etc). Austro-Hungarian army was not modernized but it still had superior logistics and technology compared to Serbia. Also larger pool of men and reserves to draft for war.
Fair enough, although the fact still is that the situation would have been dramatically different if they weren't fortified by Germans and later the Bulgarian offensive from behind.

Most Serbs do agree without allied help to transport their troops to Corfu they would have even bigger losses. Serbs lost most men during retreat trough Albania, thousands of captured Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers that were retreating with them also left their bones there.
I do not deny this, we have many thanks to give to our allies at that time, but say to that our allies won the war for us is quite the claim. They played without a doubt a central part, but you made it sound as if Serbia was sitting idly on its ass for France and Britain to win the war, when the winning offensive was carried out by Serbia and its allies.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 02:40 PM

Fair enough, although the fact still is that the situation would have been dramatically different if they weren't fortified by Germans and later the Bulgarian offensive from behind.

I do not deny this, we have many thanks to give to our allies at that time, but say to that our allies won the war for us is quite the claim. They played without a doubt a central part, but you made it sound as if Serbia was sitting idly on its ass for France and Britain to win the war, when the winning offensive was carried out by Serbia and its allies.

Perhaps I put the words wrongly. Serbs played important part in winning coalition, but it's biggest players that played biggest roles. In my opinion without US involvement Central Powers (where German Empire was by far strongest player) could have ended on winning side.

Cumansky

01-30-2019, 03:23 PM

Question for all the "experts", do you consider Bogomils European?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 42.85
2 North_and_East_European 31.83
3 Middle_East 14.27
4 Caucaus_Parsia 9.76
5 Mesoamerican 1.01
6 Paleo_African 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian 5.31
2 Montenegrin 6.5
3 Serbian 6.51
4 Bulgarian 6.72
5 Bosnian 7.86
6 Gagauz 8.73
7 Croatian 9.45
8 Swiss 9.51
9 Provancal 10.66
10 German-South 10.94
11 Hungarian 11.08
12 Italian_North 11.15
13 Romania 11.61
14 Austrian 11.99
15 Croatian_V 12.53
16 Slovenian 12.74
17 German_V 13.13
18 Ashkenazim_V 13.23
19 French 13.41
20 Portugese 14.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% British + 19% Jew_Yemen @ 1.45
2 80.2% Orcadian + 19.8% Jew_Yemen @ 1.55
3 57.8% Swedish_V + 42.2% Jew_France @ 1.94
4 65.8% Czech + 34.2% Jew_France @ 2.09
5 69.3% Czech + 30.7% Jew_Morocco @ 2.11
6 67.2% German-North + 32.8% Jew_Morocco @ 2.13
7 60.2% Swedish_V + 39.8% Sephardim @ 2.16
8 64% Slovakian + 36% Jew_France @ 2.17
9 58.3% Swedish_V + 41.7% Jew_Italia @ 2.17
10 68.1% Czech + 31.9% Sephardim @ 2.23
11 66.4% Czech + 33.6% Jew_Italia @ 2.23
12 78.4% Croatian + 21.6% Jew_Morocco @ 2.25
13 74.1% Slovenian + 25.9% Jew_Libya @ 2.27
14 81.4% CEU + 18.6% Jew_Yemen @ 2.27
15 64.9% Swedish + 35.1% Jew_Tunisia @ 2.32
16 79.7% Croatian + 20.3% Jew_Libya @ 2.32
17 65.4% Croatian_V + 34.6% Sicilian @ 2.33
18 81.3% British + 18.7% Saudi @ 2.34
19 64.2% Swedish + 35.8% Jew_Morocco @ 2.35
20 61.6% Swedish_V + 38.4% Jew_Morocco @ 2.36

Insuperable

01-30-2019, 05:12 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

01-30-2019, 05:14 PM

Cool story. Not everyone had the privilege of being Austrian stable boys.

Austrians were better masters than Turks, I assure you.

Insuperable

01-30-2019, 05:15 PM

Austrians were better masters than Turks, I assure you.

I didn't say otherwise.

Leto

02-01-2019, 10:08 AM

As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
A Serb (female) that is close to the K13 reference

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M650062

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.95
2 North_Atlantic 27.71
3 West_Med 17.05
4 East_Med 13.31
5 West_Asian 9.5
6 Red_Sea 1.17
7 South_Asian 0.85
8 East_Asian 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.24
2 Moldavian 6.14
3 Romanian 6.68
4 Hungarian 7.02
5 Croatian 7.67
6 Bulgarian 9.26
7 Austrian 9.84
8 East_German 11.25
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.37
10 South_Polish 14.66
11 West_German 15.47
12 Ukrainian 15.57
13 South_Dutch 16.94
14 French 17.3
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.57
16 Polish 18.31
17 North_Italian 18.37
18 Southwest_Russian 19.35
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.54
20 North_German 19.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% Croatian + 26.7% Tuscan @ 1.75
2 55% Bulgarian + 45% East_German @ 1.8
3 51.6% North_Italian + 48.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
4 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% North_Italian @ 2.21
5 75.8% Serbian + 24.2% Croatian @ 2.24
6 76.2% Moldavian + 23.8% North_Italian @ 2.27
7 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.29
8 63.7% Romanian + 36.3% East_German @ 2.31
9 57% Ukrainian + 43% Tuscan @ 2.38
10 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.42
11 83.7% Serbian + 16.3% East_German @ 2.44
12 57.6% Hungarian + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.45
13 87.9% Serbian + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 2.46
14 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Polish @ 2.49
15 73% Serbian + 27% Moldavian @ 2.49
16 87.5% Serbian + 12.5% South_Polish @ 2.5
17 87.4% Serbian + 12.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.52
18 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% Croatian @ 2.52
19 59% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41% Tuscan @ 2.56
20 51.4% Romanian + 48.6% Hungarian @ 2.57

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 10:29 AM

Leto, he's troilling. All these north shifted Serbs come from Bosnia and Croatia lmao. Serbs from Serbia and Montenegro are much more southern shifted.

CommonSense

02-01-2019, 12:13 PM

Leto, he's troilling. All these north shifted Serbs come from Bosnia and Croatia lmao. Serbs from Serbia and Montenegro are much more southern shifted.

I am not more northern than the average for Serbia, in fact in that regard I'm completely normal. I only shift towards the east, that's why I plot close to Moldovans on some calculators. Only a quarter of my ancestry is from Serbia proper and I have some Croatian blood too. Decius who is 7/8 Croatian Serb + 1/8 Croat plots very similar to me on most calculators. Not all Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia have the same results, but those from Montenegro and eastern and southern Serbia certainly have less Slavic genetic components.

Leto

02-01-2019, 12:22 PM

I am not more northern than the average for Serbia, in fact in that regard I'm completely normal. I only shift towards the east, that's why I plot close to Moldovans on some calculators. Only a quarter of my ancestry is from Serbia proper and I have some Croatian blood too. Decius who is 7/8 Croatian Serb + 1/8 Croat plots very similar to me on most calculators. Not all Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia have the same results, but those from Montenegro and eastern and southern Serbia certainly have less Slavic genetic components.
Remember Bosniensis too.

CommonSense

02-01-2019, 12:29 PM

Remember Bosniensis too.

He has partial Gorani ancestry that's pulling him towards the southeast. But you're generally right because even without it he would be very close to our average.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 12:40 PM

That's normal.
Bulgarians are the only Slavs that crossed Romania during migration.
The others went round it.

Western Balkan Slavs migrated around the Northern Carpathians, and entered Pannonia in Slovakia (like the Mongols did).
That's why they're closer to (South) Western Slavs, but also have some similarities with the Moldovans.

Before hungarians and romanians the complete Carpathian Basin and Romania was full slavic land.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 12:43 PM

That's normal.
Bulgarians are the only Slavs that crossed Romania during migration.
The others went round it.

Western Balkan Slavs migrated around the Northern Carpathians, and entered Pannonia in Slovakia (like the Mongols did).
That's why they're closer to (South) Western Slavs, but also have some similarities with the Moldovans.

Autosomaly romanians are closer to bulgarians, macedonians, serbs:

http://greek-dna-sub-saharan-myth.org/images/genetics/novembre-fig1a.png

This is a complete balkanite population.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 12:46 PM

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 12:48 PM

Poles almost pure slavs:

https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/23andMe_East_European.png

Balts purest Slavs ?

Blondie

02-01-2019, 12:51 PM

Dude, you have no idea what you talking about.
Y chromosome is the only part of the DNA that gets passed fully from the male parent to the male child. All the rest of the DNA is a mishmash from both parents. This is the reason why we can build extremely precise phylogenetic trees on Y-DNA, and we cannot do the same with autosomal DNA.

Clusterings you get with autosomal DNA are a shit method for studying ancestry, compared to the clades of the phylogenetic tree. Autosomal DNA can only tell whether populations have acquired similar mutations. That's it. No deep ancestry can be assessed with it.

Y dna means nothing just the ancestry of male population. The autosomaly genetic is much better, because based on the complete population.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 12:52 PM

Balts purest Slavs ?

Balts and slavs originated from same population: balto-slavic.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 12:57 PM

Balts and slavs originated from same population: balto-slavic.

Slavs were probably more southern shifted though. East Euro peaks more north from Slavic urheimat that's the thing

Dick

02-01-2019, 12:59 PM

Before hungarians and romanians the complete Carpathian Basin and Romania was full slavic land.

Probably. I2a-Dinaric north is carpathian i think

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:00 PM

Tuđman was s Jew. Tito was of unknown origin.

Croatian Dinaric Talibans: Ante Starčević, Ante Pavelić, Maks Luburić, don Ivan Šarić, Mile Budak, Krunoslav Draganović, Tomislav Filipović ("fra satan"), Andrija Artuković, Jure Francetić, Gojko Šušak, Ante Gotovina, Mate Boban, Blaž Kraljević, Ante Trumbić, Milka Planinc, Ivan Meštrović, Mate Granić, Miljenko Hrkač, Zdravko Mamić, Milan Bandić, Ivica Todorić, Ivo Josipović, Stipe Mesić, Zoran Milanović, Marko Perković Tompson...

There is no Zagorci in Croatian political and economic elite, and very few in intelectual elite.

Tito was clearly croat.

Dick

02-01-2019, 01:00 PM

Slavs were probably more southern shifted though. East Euro peaks more north from Slavic urheimat that's the thing

yeah, everyone already had neolithic admixture before migrations, just how much is not sure

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:10 PM

Serbia wouldn't stand much chance if Austro-Hungarian command didn't arrogantly underestimated them. Not because Serb soldiers were inferior (actually they had edge due to defending their homeland and having previous battle experience from Balkan wars) but simply because Serbia couldn't match Austro-Hungary in man power and industrial output (weapons productions etc). Austro-Hungarian army was not modernized but it still had superior logistics and technology compared to Serbia. Also larger pool of men and reserves to draft for war.

Most Serbs do agree without allied help to transport their troops to Corfu they would have even bigger losses. Serbs lost most men during retreat trough Albania, thousands of captured Austro-Hungarian soldiers and officers that were retreating with them also left their bones there.

85% of austro-hungarian army was on primary russian front, only 15% of soldiers was in serbian front. Austria-Hungary had very powerful ground forces, the total size was 7,8 million soldier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Army

The A-H army was much bigger than british, american or italian army.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:14 PM

Probably. I2a-Dinaric north is carpathian i think

Romanians originated from Western balkans and hungarians from Volga. Modern Romania was home of bulgarians:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Old_Great_Bulgaria_and_migration_of_Bulgarians.png/800px-Old_Great_Bulgaria_and_migration_of_Bulgarians.png

Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldova was bulgarian slavic:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/bf/c0/13bfc06519f68bd361205c88aeef5e59.jpg

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:14 PM

85% of austro-hungarian army was on primary russian front, only 15% of soldiers was in serbian front. Austria-Hungary had very powerful ground forces, the total size was 7,8 million soldier:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Army

The A-H army was much bigger than british or italian army.

I know, equipment was outdated though.

Pribislav

02-01-2019, 01:21 PM

A Serb (female) that is close to the K13 reference

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit M650062

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.95
2 North_Atlantic 27.71
3 West_Med 17.05
4 East_Med 13.31
5 West_Asian 9.5
6 Red_Sea 1.17
7 South_Asian 0.85
8 East_Asian 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.47
11 Sub-Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.24
2 Moldavian 6.14
3 Romanian 6.68
4 Hungarian 7.02
5 Croatian 7.67
6 Bulgarian 9.26
7 Austrian 9.84
8 East_German 11.25
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.37
10 South_Polish 14.66
11 West_German 15.47
12 Ukrainian 15.57
13 South_Dutch 16.94
14 French 17.3
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.57
16 Polish 18.31
17 North_Italian 18.37
18 Southwest_Russian 19.35
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.54
20 North_German 19.71

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% Croatian + 26.7% Tuscan @ 1.75
2 55% Bulgarian + 45% East_German @ 1.8
3 51.6% North_Italian + 48.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.03
4 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% North_Italian @ 2.21
5 75.8% Serbian + 24.2% Croatian @ 2.24
6 76.2% Moldavian + 23.8% North_Italian @ 2.27
7 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.29
8 63.7% Romanian + 36.3% East_German @ 2.31
9 57% Ukrainian + 43% Tuscan @ 2.38
10 77.1% Croatian + 22.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.42
11 83.7% Serbian + 16.3% East_German @ 2.44
12 57.6% Hungarian + 42.4% Bulgarian @ 2.45
13 87.9% Serbian + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 2.46
14 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Polish @ 2.49
15 73% Serbian + 27% Moldavian @ 2.49
16 87.5% Serbian + 12.5% South_Polish @ 2.5
17 87.4% Serbian + 12.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.52
18 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% Croatian @ 2.52
19 59% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41% Tuscan @ 2.56
20 51.4% Romanian + 48.6% Hungarian @ 2.57

Look this one.

Serb from western Bosnia.

K15
Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.36
2 North_Sea 20.34
3 Atlantic 12.84
4 West_Med 12.75
5 Eastern_Euro 11.91
6 West_Asian 10.74
7 East_Med 7.28
8 Southeast_Asian 0.89
9 Red_Sea 0.75
10 Oceanian 0.12

#Population (source) Distance:
1 Moldavian 4.6
2 Croatian 6.82
3 Hungarian 7.58
4 Serbian 9.06
5 Romanian 9.58
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.03
7 Austrian 11
8 Ukrainian 11.21
9 South_Polish 11.31
10 Bulgarian 11.88
11 East_German 12.02
12 Polish 14.44
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.87
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.12
15 Southwest_Russian 15.62
16 Belorussian 17.2
17 Estonian_Polish 17.42
18 Finnish 18.2
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.24
20 West_German 18.51

https://i.imgur.com/ikneEnE.png

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:24 PM

Look this one.

Serb from western Bosnia.

since when are Serbs outside of Serbia representative of all Serbs ? :rolleyes: This one is closer to average Croats than average Serbs and we know why. Western Bosnia was Croatian land before Ottoman conquest.

if you dislike real Serbs, you can always declare as orthodox Croat bruv.

Moje ime

02-01-2019, 01:28 PM

since when are Serbs outside of Serbia representative of all Serbs ? :rolleyes: This one is closer to average Croats than average Serbs and we know why.

I must agree with this. Don't know why Pribislav always shows some results out of average Serbian result. He should show my results since they are most average Serbian results here. :cool:

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:31 PM

I must agree with this. Don't know why Pribislav always shows some results out of average Serbian result. He should show my results since they are most average Serbian results here. :cool:

He don't like the fact most of Serbs are more southern shifted than his kin from Dalmatia and Bosnia.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:31 PM

since when are Serbs outside of Serbia representative of all Serbs ? :rolleyes: This one is closer to average Croats than average Serbs and we know why. Western Bosnia was Croatian land before Ottoman conquest.

if you dislike real Serbs, you can always declare as orthodox Croat bruv.

Bosnia was part of Hungarian Kingdom or hungarian vassal state in the medieval age, the locals were mostly croats.

http://www.slovak-republic.org/pictures/historical-maps/hungary-map-1300.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Oligarchs_in_the_Kingdom_of_Hungary.png

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:33 PM

Pribislav made fun of me because I'm dark haired while he's blond. Dude is a nordicist lmao

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:36 PM

Pribislav made fun of me because I'm dark haired while he's blond. Dude is a nordicist lmao

What's a wrong with nordicist? :D

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:37 PM

What's a wrong with nordicist? :D

Serbs are very far from nordic looking.

Pribislav

02-01-2019, 01:37 PM

since when are Serbs outside of Serbia representative of all Serbs ? :rolleyes: This one is closer to average Croats than average Serbs and we know why. Western Bosnia was Croatian land before Ottoman conquest.

if you dislike real Serbs, you can always declare as orthodox Croat bruv.

I did not said that this guy is Serbian average. I just show to Leto result which was not posted here earlier.

Moje ime has right, her results are approximately about Serbian average in comparation what is currently known as Serbian average.

Guy with Slovenian/German origin speak about medieval Croatian lands. :rotfl:

Pribislav

02-01-2019, 01:43 PM

Pribislav made fun of me because I'm dark haired while he's blond. Dude is a nordicist lmao

I am not obssesed with nazism and nordicism as you.

On other forum Jana "provoke" me that I look very Croatian, because I look more northern than how she imagine Serbs.
Interesting phenomenon is Croatian idiotic claim about Serbs as mix of Vlachs and Turks, and even Gypsies somethimes. That is pure ustashian anti-Serbian propaganda.

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:44 PM

I am not obssesed with nazism and nordicism as you.

On other forum Jana "provoke" me that I look very Croatian, because I look more northern than how she imagine Serbs.
Interesting phenomenon is Croatian idiotic claim about Serbs as mix of Vlachs and Turks, and even Gypsies somethimes. That is pure ustashian anti-Serbian propaganda.

You are troll.

Leto

02-01-2019, 01:47 PM

Leto

02-01-2019, 01:48 PM

Serbs are very far from nordic looking.
Once upon a time there was a really Nordic looking Serb on TA. No kidding.

Dick

02-01-2019, 01:50 PM

Once upon a time there was a really Nordic looking Serb on TA. No kidding.

Minesweeper? he looks like Dolph Lundgren

Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

02-01-2019, 01:50 PM

Once upon a time there was a really Nordic looking Serb on TA. No kidding.

You can find uber nordics even in Turkey bro, it's average we are talking about. Anyway i like my dark hair light eyes combination, girls usually prefer it to blonds.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 01:50 PM

Once upon a time there was a really Nordic looking Serb on TA. No kidding.

There are nordid looking peoples in every european nation.

Leto

02-01-2019, 01:51 PM

Minesweeper? he looks like Dolph Lundgren
Probably him. I don't remember. That member may no longer be active anyway. I'd like to see his DNA results if he is still around.

Leto

02-01-2019, 01:52 PM

You can find uber nordics even in Turkey bro, it's average we are talking about.
I'm not arguing about it, just made a remark.

Dick

02-01-2019, 01:53 PM

Probably him. I don't remember. That member may no longer be active anyway. I'd like to see his DNA results if he is still around.

I thought it's specific Snps that gives a person certain features, pigmentation etc not actual ancestry though

Leto

02-01-2019, 01:55 PM

I thought it's specific Snps that gives a person certain features, pigmentation etc not actual ancestry though
Sure. But the frequency of those traits does differ across ethnic and geographic groups.

Dick

02-01-2019, 01:57 PM

Sure. But the frequency of those traits does differ across ethnic and geographic groups.

True but even siblings can look different. it all depends

Pribislav

02-01-2019, 01:58 PM

Send me your photo, I'll tell if you are dark by East Slavic standards.

OK

Leto

02-01-2019, 02:03 PM

True but even siblings can look different. it all depends
Two brothers, Tunisian father, Austrian mother
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fa/ce/45/face45ed3481c6532a810df2c596c8be.jpg

Ford

02-01-2019, 03:01 PM

True but even siblings can look different. it all depends

Such is the case with me and my brother. I'm pretty dark while he's super light, looks like an Austrian or something.

Dick

02-01-2019, 03:09 PM

Such is the case with me and my brother. I'm pretty dark while he's super light, looks like an Austrian or something.

Yeah my sis is skinny with big boobs like a typical Baltic and I’m Black

Ford

02-01-2019, 03:12 PM

Yeah my sis is skinny with big boobs like a typical Baltic and I’m Black

:rofl:

Leto

02-01-2019, 03:16 PM

Yeah my sis is skinny with big boobs like a typical Baltic and I’m Black
You do look Jamaican, bruh.

Leto

02-01-2019, 03:17 PM

Such is the case with me and my brother. I'm pretty dark while he's super light, looks like an Austrian or something.
Dark in terms of hair and eye color? I doubt you are dark-skinned in winter.

Ford

02-01-2019, 03:24 PM

Dark in terms of hair and eye color? I doubt you are dark-skinned in winter.

Yes, basically, although I don't tan that well so I have pretty much the same tone all year round.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 03:26 PM

Romanians originated from Western balkans and hungarians from Volga. Modern Romania was home of bulgarians:

Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldova was bulgarian slavic:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/13/bf/c0/13bfc06519f68bd361205c88aeef5e59.jpg

Not this shit again. Romanians didn't migrate from anywhere.

Yes, First Bulgarian empire dominated the lands North of Danube, including the territory of today's Transylvania.
However, Bulgarians didn't live there, their presence was solely military. The population of Transylvania in 10th century comprised of Vlachs and West and South Slavs, some settled, some still migrating, but no Bulgarians. The only places where compact historic populations of Bulgarians lived in past or present Romanian lands are Northern Dobrogea and Bugeac.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 04:01 PM

Not this shit again. Romanians didn't migrate from anywhere.

Yes, First Bulgarian empire dominated the lands North of Danube, including the territory of today's Transylvania.
However, Bulgarians didn't live there, their presence was solely military. The population of Transylvania in 10th century comprised of Vlachs and West and South Slavs, some settled, some still migrating, but no Bulgarians. The only places where compact historic populations of Bulgarians lived in past or present Romanian lands are Northern Dobrogea and Bugeac.

You are wrong, because romanians have latin origin and the latin language is not native in this area. Romanians are descedants of the romanized west balkanite population (vlachs).

Procopius greek historian wrote:

"The River Ister (Danube) flows down from the mountains in the country of the Celts, who are now called Gauls; and it passes through a great extent of country which for the most part is altogether barren, though in some places it is inhabited by barbarians who live a kind of brutish life and have no dealings with other men. When it gets close to Dacia, for the first time it clearly forms the boundary between the barbarians, who hold its left bank, and the territory of the Romans, which is on the right."
Peri Ktismaton (Buildings), Book IV, 9-10.

There was no latin speaker population in the lands on other side of the Danube namely, in Dacia.

Jordanes wrote:

""I mean ancient Dacia, which the race of the Gepids now possess. This Gothia, which our ancestors called Dacia and now, as I have said, is called Gepidia, was then bounded on the east by the Roxolani, on the west by the Yazyg, on the north by the Sarmatians and Basternae and on the south by the river Danube. The Yazyg are separated from the Roxolani by the Aluta river only."
Getica, XII, 73-74.

The old chronicles didn't mentioned any survivor dacian or latin population in the modern Romania.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 06:12 PM

You are wrong, because romanians have latin origin and the latin language is not native in this area. Romanians are descedants of the romanized west balkanite population (vlachs).

[unrelated quotes]

The old chronicles didn't mentioned any survivor dacian or latin population in the modern Romania.

That's absolute nonsense. Roman cities in Dacia were inhabited and had a Roman life until 7th century, when they were (mysteriously) abandoned. These cities show traces of all major events that happened in the Roman empire, including the persecution of Christians and finally the adoption of Christianity as a state religion.

These cities were not affected by Huns and Gepids. They probably payed tribute, or who knows what happened. By 7th century all of these cities were abandoned, in a period that coincides with the establishment of the Avar Khaganate in this area.

Latin speakers were very much alive and well on the territory of Romania between 2nd and 7th century. Then there is a period of merging cultures, in which the Vlach element remains dominant, probably because Vlachs were numerically superior in the area, especially in the highlands:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/20100217005035%21A_view_on_6th_to_8th_cent.jpg

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:29 PM

That's absolute nonsense. Roman cities in Dacia were inhabited and had a Roman life until 7th century, when they were (mysteriously) abandoned. These cities show traces of all major events that happened in the Roman empire, including the persecution of Christians and finally the adoption of Christianity as a state religion.

These cities were not affected by Huns and Gepids. They probably payed tribute, or who knows what happened. By 7th century all of these cities were abandoned, in a period that coincides with the establishment of the Avar Khaganate in this area.

Latin speakers were very much alive and well on the territory of Romania between 2nd and 7th century. Then there is a period of merging cultures, in which the Vlach element remains dominant, probably because Vlachs were numerically superior in the area, especially in the highlands:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/20100217005035%21A_view_on_6th_to_8th_cent.jpg

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:: rotfl::rotfl: You edited it in Paint? :D

There were no latin speakers in Dacia in this time, every old chronicler refute that.

Procopius greek historian wrote:
"The River Ister (Danube) flows down from the mountains in the country of the Celts, who are now called Gauls; and it passes through a great extent of country which for the most part is altogether barren, though in some places it is inhabited by barbarians who live a kind of brutish life and have no dealings with other men. When it gets close to Dacia, for the first time it clearly forms the boundary between the barbarians, who hold its left bank, and the territory of the Romans, which is on the right."

Jordanes:
"I mean ancient Dacia, which the race of the Gepids now possess. This Gothia, which our ancestors called Dacia and now, as I have said, is called Gepidia, was then bounded on the east by the Roxolani, on the west by the Yazyg, on the north by the Sarmatians and Basternae and on the south by the river Danube. The Yazyg are separated from the Roxolani by the Aluta river only."
Getica, XII, 73-74.

But sorry i know the romanian natinalists know better than Jordanes and Procopius :D

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 06:37 PM

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There were no latin speakers in Dacia in this time, every old chronicler refute that.

Procopius greek historian wrote:
"The River Ister (Danube) flows down from the mountains in the country of the Celts, who are now called Gauls; and it passes through a great extent of country which for the most part is altogether barren, though in some places it is inhabited by barbarians who live a kind of brutish life and have no dealings with other men. When it gets close to Dacia, for the first time it clearly forms the boundary between the barbarians, who hold its left bank, and the territory of the Romans, which is on the right."

Jordanes:
"I mean ancient Dacia, which the race of the Gepids now possess. This Gothia, which our ancestors called Dacia and now, as I have said, is called Gepidia, was then bounded on the east by the Roxolani, on the west by the Yazyg, on the north by the Sarmatians and Basternae and on the south by the river Danube. The Yazyg are separated from the Roxolani by the Aluta river only."
Getica, XII, 73-74.

But sorry i know the romanian natinalists know better than Jordanes and Procopius :D

Neither historians explicitly state that there weren't Latin speakers living North of Danube, but that doesn't matter anyway because we have actual archaeological evidence of Latinophones' presence.

How come we have Christian churches in Romania, built between 4th to 6th centuries? - 35 churches unearthed so far.

Were Celts, Goths, Gepids or whatever, building churches at that time? do you think they were Christian in the 4th century? are you that stupid?

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:38 PM

That's absolute nonsense.

"Roman cities in Dacia were inhabited and had a Roman life until 7th century"

Proof?

"These cities were not affected by Huns and Gepids. "

Proof?

"Latin speakers were very much alive and well on the territory of Romania between 2nd and 7th century. "

All old sources deny it.

"because Vlachs were numerically superior in the area"

There were no vlachs in this area. Just ostrogoths:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png/1024px-Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png

Huns:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Late_Roman_Migration_Period_deutsch.svg/2050px-Late_Roman_Migration_Period_deutsch.svg.png

Visigoths:

https://www.shorthistory.org/images/Germanic-Migrations-378-439.jpg

Bulgars:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Bulgar_subsequent_migrations_in_Europe..jpg

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:43 PM

Neither actually traveled to see the cities North of Danube, so your point is moot because we have the actual archaeological evidence of Latinophones presence.
If the Romans would have left in 200s AD, then we wouldn't have Christian churches in Romania, built between 4th to 6th centuries, but we do - 35 churches unearthed so far.

Were Celts, Goths, Gepids or whatever building churches at that time? do you think they were Christian in the 4th century? are you that stupid?

Not just latins were christians lol but germanic tribes (goths, gepids) and partly huns too:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23037831?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 06:47 PM

"Roman cities in Dacia were inhabited and had a Roman life until 7th century"

Proof?

Because we have the ruins of these cities, and they are dated as such.

Look here stupid, one of the Christian churches built in Romania between 4th and 6th century:

https://www.trecator.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Cetatea-Sucidava-2-1024x678.jpg

who were building these churches, aliens?

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:49 PM

Because we have the ruins of these cities, and they are dated as such.

Look here stupid, one of the Christian churches built in Romania between 4th and 6th century:

https://www.trecator.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Cetatea-Sucidava-2-1024x678.jpg

who were building these churches, aliens?

Dude, gepids, goths and partly huns were christians too :D

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23037831?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 06:51 PM

Not just latins were christians lol but germanic tribes (goths, gepids) and partly huns too:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23037831?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Oh yeah, huns were building churches in Roman towns.
You are delusional beyond belief.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:54 PM

Ulfilas, or Wulfila, was the son or grandson of Christians from Sadagolthina (near Parnassus[4][5]) in Cappadocia who had been taken captive by the Goths. In 337 or 341, Ulfilas was sent by Arian emperor Constantius II to preach to the Goths in their language, and became the first bishop of the (Arian Christian) Goths. By 348, one of the (pagan) Gothic kings (reikos) began persecuting the Christian Goths, and Ulfilas and many other Christian Goths,[6] fled to safety within the Roman Empire's borders.

Between 348 and 383, Ulfilas translated the Bible into the Gothic language.[7][8] Thus some Arian Christians in the west used the vernacular languages, in this case including Gothic and Latin, for services, as did Christians in the eastern Roman provinces, while most Christians in the western provinces used Latin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianisation_of_the_Germanic_peoples

"In addition to these pagan beliefs, there are numerous attestations of Huns converting to Christianity and receiving Christian missionaries."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

Blondie

02-01-2019, 06:56 PM

Oh yeah, huns were building churches in Roman towns.
You are delusional beyond belief.

Why not? And Dacia was not roman in the hun age.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 07:00 PM

Blondie

02-01-2019, 07:14 PM

There's no material proof that Huns and Goths living in Romania were Christian between 4th and 7th century.
First Germanic people Christianized en-masse and living outside the Roman empire were the Franks in 6th century and Saxons in the 7th century. They were thousands of kilometers away from Romania.

Stop spewing bullshit.
These are Roman churches, built in Roman towns, centuries after the Aurelian withdrawal.

I linked many proof for that, don't you read?

"The first wave of the Great Migrations, (300 to 500) brought the influence of migratory tribes, especially the Germanic tribes. The Visigoths established a kingdom north of Danube and Transyilvania between 270-380.
In 380 a new power reached Transylvania, the Huns. They drow back every Germanic people from the Carpathian Basin except the Gepids. The Alans, Vandals, Quads left the region toward the Roman Empire. The Huns extended their rule over Transylvania after 420. After the disintegration of Attila's empire, Transylvania was inhabited by the remnants of various Hunnic, and a Germanic tribe, the Gepids. The Transyilvanain Gepids had a semiindependent status inside the Kingdom of Gepids, but this relative autonomy came to an end in the late 6th century. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history_of_Transylvania

Goths, huns were christians:

"Ulfilas, or Wulfila, was the son or grandson of Christians from Sadagolthina (near Parnassus[4][5]) in Cappadocia who had been taken captive by the Goths. In 337 or 341, Ulfilas was sent by Arian emperor Constantius II to preach to the Goths in their language, and became the first bishop of the (Arian Christian) Goths. By 348, one of the (pagan) Gothic kings (reikos) began persecuting the Christian Goths, and Ulfilas and many other Christian Goths,[6] fled to safety within the Roman Empire's borders.

Between 348 and 383, Ulfilas translated the Bible into the Gothic language.[7][8] Thus some Arian Christians in the west used the vernacular languages, in this case including Gothic and Latin, for services, as did Christians in the eastern Roman provinces, while most Christians in the western provinces used Latin."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianisation_of_the_Germanic_peoples

"In addition to these pagan beliefs, there are numerous attestations of Huns converting to Christianity and receiving Christian missionaries."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

The problem is you look down these peoples, and you think every not latin not roman people were primitive savages with low IQ who built nothing, that's not true.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 07:32 PM

^ Do you understand the concept of a Roman town?
The church I posted earlier is in a Roman town.

Are you saying Huns built the church in a Roman town, are you this fucking stupid?

Otherwise yeah, some bishops were sent to Christianize Goths early, and some converted, but were forced to flee to the Roman empire. There was no en-masse conversion of Goths before Franks in the 6th century. And more importantly, there's no material proof that Christian Goths lived in Romania between 4th and 7th century.

If you have material proof show it to me. Put up or shut up.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 07:51 PM

Bitch, do you understand the concept of a Roman town?
The church I posted earlier is in a Roman town.

Are you saying Huns built the church in a Roman town, are you this fucking stupid?

Otherwise yeah, some bishops were sent to Christianize Goths early, and some converted, but were forced to flee to the Roman empire. There was no en-masse conversion of Goths before Franks in the 6th century. And more importantly, there's no material proof that Christian Goths lived in Romania between 4th and 7th century.

If you have material proof show it to me. Put up or shut up.

1. I'm not bitch

2. You said this churches built in 4-7 century:

"There's no material proof that Huns and Goths living in Romania were Christian between 4th and 7th century."

So it cannot be older or you don't know what are you talking about.

3. Goths, huns lived there in this time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history_of_Transylvania

"The East Germanic Goths and Gepids, who lived in sedentary communities, were the first new arrivals. The Goths dominated Moldavia and Wallachia from the 290s, and parts of Transylvania from the 330s. Their power collapsed under attacks by the nomadic Huns in 376. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania_in_the_Early_Middle_Ages

Other source:
http://www.elib.hu/03400/03407/html/24.html

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 08:02 PM

You said this churches built in 4-7 century:

"There's no material proof that Huns and Goths living in Romania were Christian between 4th and 7th century."

So it cannot be older or you don't know what are you talking about.

More precisely, this church was build in the 6th century in a Roman town.
This means that there was a Latinophone population living there in the 6th century.

Unless of course, Huns built the church in a Roman town, which is most idiotic argument Hungarian nationalists offered me in a while.
In reality, Huns sacked the city once (5th century), but it was rebuilt. The church was raised afterwards.

Blondie

02-01-2019, 08:11 PM

More precisely, this church was build in the 6th century in a Roman town.
This means that there was a Latinophone population living there in the 6th century.

Unless of course, Huns built the church in a Roman town, which is most idiotic argument Hungarian nationalists offered me in a while.
In reality, Huns sacked the city once (5th century), but it was rebuilt. The church was raised afterwards.

1. There was no Roman Empire in 6. century, it was destroyed in 5. century by goths.

2. This is the Eastern Roman Empire:

http://byzantineap.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/7/6/26768043/7772672_orig.jpg

Romania was not latin area, so there were no roman towns in Transylvania in 6. century.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 08:15 PM

of course, I'm talking about Eastern Roman Empire, how hard was to figure that out?

Aspirin

02-01-2019, 08:19 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/vjwACwDxB0hZ6/giphy.gif

Blondie

02-01-2019, 08:21 PM

of course, I'm talking about Eastern Roman Empire, how hard was to figure that out?

But Transylvania was not a part of Eastern Roman Empire, neither Wallachia or Moldova, only a little part of Dobruja, and there was no latin speaker population in the lands on other side of the Danube, Procopius wrote:

"The River Ister (Danube) flows down from the mountains in the country of the Celts, who are now called Gauls; and it passes through a great extent of country which for the most part is altogether barren, though in some places it is inhabited by barbarians who live a kind of brutish life and have no dealings with other men. When it gets close to Dacia, for the first time it clearly forms the boundary between the barbarians, who hold its left bank, and the territory of the Romans, which is on the right".
Peri Ktismaton (Buildings), Book IV, 9-10.

ixulescu

02-01-2019, 10:06 PM

But Transylvania was not a part of Eastern Roman Empire, neither Wallachia or Moldova, only a little part of Dobruja, and there was no latin speaker population in the lands on other side of the Danube

Writing the same nonsense all over again doesn't make it true.
See in the map below the territories held by the Roman Empire North of Danube during Constantine the Great rule (4th century), which contradicts directly what you said.

And not only that: Roman towns existed outside the area explicitly claimed by the Romans, like Apulum for instance, which was most likely continuously inhabited during the early Middle Age.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Limes_Orientalis_337_AD_png.PNG/1024px-Limes_Orientalis_337_AD_png.PNG

Blondie

02-02-2019, 01:14 AM

Writing the same nonsense all over again doesn't make it true.
See in the map below the territories held by the Roman Empire North of Danube during Constantine the Great rule (4th century), which contradicts directly what you said.

And not only that: Roman towns existed outside the area explicitly claimed by the Romans, like Apulum for instance, which was most likely continuously inhabited during the early Middle Age.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/Limes_Orientalis_337_AD_png.PNG/1024px-Limes_Orientalis_337_AD_png.PNG

So the romanians nationalists knows better than old chroniclers? This is all romanian sources... What is the proof of these population was latin speaker? Nothing... Dacia was home of goths, huns and gepids in 4-5. dentury:

"By 376 a new wave of migratory people, the Huns, reached Transylvania, triggering conflict with the Visigothic kingdom.[citation needed] Hoping to find refuge from the Huns, Fritigern (a Visigothic leader) appealed to the Roman emperor Valens in 376 to be allowed to settle with his people on the south bank of the Danube. However, a famine broke out and Rome was unable to supply them with food or land. As a result, the Goths rebelled against the Romans for several years. The Huns fought the Alans, Vandals, and Quadi, forcing them toward the Roman Empire. Pannonia became the centre during the peak of Attila's reign (435–453).[15]
After Attila's death, the Hunnic empire disintegrated. In 455 the Gepids (under king Ardarich) conquered Pannonia, allowing them to settle for two centuries in Transylvania.[15] Their rule ended with attacks by the Lombards and Avars in 567.[15] Very few Gepid sites (such as cemeteries in the Banat region) after 600 remain; they were apparently assimilated by the Avar empire. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania

The local dacian population was assimilated by huns and goths, gepids, there is no proof for dacian-vlach connection who lived 600-700 years later there...

Kaspias

05-11-2019, 05:56 PM

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Largest segment = 8.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.2 cM (0.228 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.2

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

542795 SNPs used for this comparison.

Ford

05-11-2019, 06:08 PM

RenaRyuguu

10-23-2019, 10:11 PM

bump

Leto

06-11-2020, 05:30 PM

Sorry, Ford, for bumping this shit :D

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