Croatian Eurogenes K15 PCA made by Jana

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Update:
http://oi64.tinypic.com/2q1hyky.jpg

Red = northwest Croats
Green = southern/Dalmatian Croats
Blue = southern/Herzegovina Croats

[Matxe92]

Im not Croat but how do i get myself on this PCA map? Id love to see where im at.

[Mingle]

Good post. Just a suggestion, she can give them different colors based on which region of Croatia they are from (e.g. purple for Dalmatia, red for NW Croatia, etc.).

Also, some more Croats that could be added (I don't know if she already included these): 1 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234771-Northwest-Croat-gedmatch) 2 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261195-Can-someone-post-bosnian-and-croatian-ged-match-results&p=5553722&viewfull=1#post5553722)

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[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Im not Croat but how do i get myself on this PCA map? Id love to see where im at.

Here you go mate: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Good post. Just a suggestion, she can give them different colors based on which region of Croatia they are from (e.g. purple for Dalmatia, red for NW Croatia, etc.).

Also, some more Croats that could be added (I don't know if she already included these): 1 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234771-Northwest-Croat-gedmatch) 2 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261195-Can-someone-post-bosnian-and-croatian-ged-match-results&p=5553722&viewfull=1#post5553722)

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Nah, she didn't. These don't post on forum.hr I think. Good idea man, I can do this myself.

[Matxe92]

Here you go mate: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Cheers man. Can't seem to get the calculation though? I made sure that it's 100 in total already. But nothing happens when i press calculate.

Any idea?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Cheers man. Can't seem to get the calculation though? I made sure that it's 100 in total already. But nothing happens when i press calculate.

Any idea?

You get cordinates, download the map and than open it in paint. Than you can place yourself on the map.

[Cumansky]

Plot these 2..

Bogomilovic

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.28
2 Baltic 17.49
3 West_Med 15.86
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 East_Med 12.69
6 Eastern_Euro 12.43
7 West_Asian 5.61
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.96
2 Romanian 7.15
3 Moldavian 8.23
4 Bulgarian 8.72
5 Croatian 9.96
6 Hungarian 10.02
7 Austrian 11.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
9 East_German 14.11
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.03
11 Greek 15.41
12 Ukrainian 15.75
13 North_Italian 15.76
14 South_Polish 15.95
15 Tuscan 16.68
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.48
17 French 17.49
18 West_German 18.26
19 Portuguese 18.29
20 Polish 18.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.18
2 51.5% Ukrainian + 48.5% Tuscan @ 4.28
3 58.4% Greek_Thessaly + 41.6% Polish @ 4.39
4 57.1% Ukrainian + 42.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.47
5 63.8% Ukrainian + 36.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.57
6 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Tuscan @ 4.57
7 84% Moldavian + 16% Sardinian @ 4.59
8 54.7% Greek_Thessaly + 45.3% South_Polish @ 4.61
9 58.9% Croatian + 41.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.63
10 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.63
11 52.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.2% Tuscan @ 4.63
12 57.6% Ukrainian + 42.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.68
13 53.1% Greek_Thessaly + 46.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.71
14 69.1% Moldavian + 30.9% North_Italian @ 4.75
15 58.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 4.82
16 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 4.89
17 65.5% Moldavian + 34.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.92
18 75.2% Moldavian + 24.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.93
19 64.3% Greek_Thessaly + 35.7% Estonian @ 4.97
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.97

Cumansky

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.56
2 North_Sea 25.55
3 Eastern_Euro 17.34
4 Atlantic 11.17
5 East_Med 6.9
6 West_Med 6.1
7 West_Asian 1.37
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Sub-Saharan 0.54
10 Amerindian 0.43
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 Southeast_Asian 0.04
13 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.35
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.51
3 South_Polish 8.03
4 Estonian 8.88
5 Polish 9.02
6 Southwest_Russian 9.93
7 Belorussian 10.09
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
10 Estonian_Polish 11.03
11 Lithuanian 11.06
12 Hungarian 11.89
13 Croatian 12.05
14 Finnish 12.21
15 Moldavian 12.66
16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
17 East_Finnish 13.44
18 Southwest_Finnish 13.99
19 Erzya 14.85
20 East_German 15.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% Estonian + 19.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.71
2 87% Estonian + 13% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.79
3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.87
4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.9
5 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Estonian @ 5.93
6 87.8% Estonian + 12.2% Cyprian @ 5.94
7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.98
8 77.5% Ukrainian + 22.5% Estonian @ 6.07
9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.13
10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
11 84.6% Estonian + 15.4% Central_Greek @ 6.17
12 85.8% Estonian + 14.2% South_Italian @ 6.18
13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
14 97.8% Ukrainian + 2.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.2
15 85% Estonian + 15% East_Sicilian @ 6.22
16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
17 89.7% Ukrainian + 10.3% Lithuanian @ 6.26
18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
19 98.2% Ukrainian + 1.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
20 84.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.8% Lithuanian @ 6.28

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Good post. Just a suggestion, she can give them different colors based on which region of Croatia they are from (e.g. purple for Dalmatia, red for NW Croatia, etc.).

Also, some more Croats that could be added (I don't know if she already included these): 1 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?234771-Northwest-Croat-gedmatch) 2 (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?261195-Can-someone-post-bosnian-and-croatian-ged-match-results&p=5553722&viewfull=1#post5553722)

I added person from Samobor also colored samples according to region they come from. Other person didn't post K15, too bad. What do you think ?

Green = Dalmatia
Red = northwest Croatia
Purple = Herzegovina

https://i.imgur.com/hQjUH0h.png


Plot these 2..

This if only for Croatians.

[Seya]

Just a curiosity...why she didn’t post it herself...her account is still active :rolleyes:

[Matxe92]

You get cordinates, download the map and than open it in paint. Than you can place yourself on the map.

There we go.

84522

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Just a curiosity...why she didn’t post it herself...her account is still active :rolleyes:

I wouldn't know, but I guess she prefers to read the forum without posting. On Croatian forums she does post very often.

[Cumansky]

I added person from Samobor also colored samples according to region they come from. Other person didn't post K15, too bad. What do you think ?

Green = Dalmatia
Red = northwest Croatia
Purple = Herzegovina

https://i.imgur.com/hQjUH0h.png



This if only for Croatians.

Bogomilovic is Dalmatian..

Post me too

[Seya]

I wouldn't know, but I guess she prefers to read the forum without posting. On Croatian forums she does post very often.

:lol: ok

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Bogomilovic is Dalmatian..

Post me too

no. Bogomilović is Serb also.

[Cumansky]

no. Bogomilović is Serb also.

Montenegrin*

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Montenegrin*

Are you stupid or something ? This is Croatian PCA not Montenegrin or Ukrainian. Get out of my thread dumbass.

[Cumansky]

Are you stupid or something ? This is Croatian PCA not Montenegrin or Ukrainian. Get out of my thread dumbass.

Proceed with your Krabat thread..

[Cumansky]

There we go.

84522

Can you plot the 2 samples I posted will be appreciate..

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Can you plot the 2 samples I posted will be appreciate..

Open another thread and stop spamming mine potato peasant.

[Cumansky]

Open another thread and stop spamming mine potato peasant.

STFU nazi bitch

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

STFU nazi bitch

Lmao, Banderists are turning in their graves bitch. Germans considered Ukrainians subhumans and you still sucked their dick moron.

[Cumansky]

Lmao, Banderists are turning in their graves bitch. Germans considered Ukrainians subhumans and you still sucked their dick moron.

Good we kill Banderists and leave to Poland. Learn some history Krabat..

[Leto]

Good we kill Banderists and leave to Poland. Learn some history Krabat..
What is Krabat?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Good we kill Banderists and leave to Poland. Learn some history Krabat..

https://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/vita-zaverukha.jpg
https://pp.vk.me/c622416/v622416568/2e00e/iXHdglSgKHY.jpg

[Cumansky]

Krabat is Sorbian folk hero

[Mingle]

I added person from Samobor also colored samples according to region they come from. Other person didn't post K15, too bad. What do you think ?

Green = Dalmatia
Red = northwest Croatia
Purple = Herzegovina

https://i.imgur.com/hQjUH0h.png

Looks good. The only thing is I'd crop out the area around where the Croatian samples cluster so that the image is zoomed in on them more.

I tried cropping it with the image you gave but it didn't appear bigger. Guess that it only works with the original image.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Looks good. The only thing is I'd crop out the area around where the Croatian samples cluster so that the image is zoomed in on them more.

I tried cropping it with the image you gave but it didn't appear bigger. Guess that it only works with the original image.

Zoomed in to the max, it's bit blurry though

https://i.imgur.com/VVd47hb.png

[black hole]

Lmao, Banderists are turning in their graves bitch. Germans considered Ukrainians subhumans and you still sucked their dick moron.




Bro, Ukrainians maybe "subhumans", but they are not cucked by immigrants. :)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Bro, Ukrainians maybe "subhumans", but they are not cucked by immigrants. :)

I got nothing against Ukrainians in fact their nationalists and ours are close. Thing is this dumbass Cumansky called me nazi bitch when in fact Ukrainians were biggest bitches around.
Freaking nazi death camps were patrolled by Ukrainian SS mate. And Germans officially planned to extreminate them after the war.
Croats weren't considered subhumans by Germans but Goths lmao so for us alliance with them made much more sense. For Ukrainians it didn't. Read Generalplan Ost and it will be clear why.

[black hole]

I got nothing against Ukrainians in fact their nationalists and ours are close. Thing is this dumbass Cumansky called me nazi bitch when in fact Ukrainians were biggest bitches around.
Freaking nazi death camps were patrolled by Ukrainian SS mate. And Germans officially planned to extreminate them after the war.
Croats weren't considered subhumans by Germans but Goths lmao so for us alliance with them made much more sense. For Ukrainians it didn't. Read Generalplan Ost and it will be clear why.




anyone could be behind that username. People are not patient and react very fast :D

[Matxe92]

Plot these 2..

Bogomilovic

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.28
2 Baltic 17.49
3 West_Med 15.86
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 East_Med 12.69
6 Eastern_Euro 12.43
7 West_Asian 5.61
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.96
2 Romanian 7.15
3 Moldavian 8.23
4 Bulgarian 8.72
5 Croatian 9.96
6 Hungarian 10.02
7 Austrian 11.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
9 East_German 14.11
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.03
11 Greek 15.41
12 Ukrainian 15.75
13 North_Italian 15.76
14 South_Polish 15.95
15 Tuscan 16.68
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.48
17 French 17.49
18 West_German 18.26
19 Portuguese 18.29
20 Polish 18.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.18
2 51.5% Ukrainian + 48.5% Tuscan @ 4.28
3 58.4% Greek_Thessaly + 41.6% Polish @ 4.39
4 57.1% Ukrainian + 42.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.47
5 63.8% Ukrainian + 36.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.57
6 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Tuscan @ 4.57
7 84% Moldavian + 16% Sardinian @ 4.59
8 54.7% Greek_Thessaly + 45.3% South_Polish @ 4.61
9 58.9% Croatian + 41.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.63
10 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.63
11 52.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.2% Tuscan @ 4.63
12 57.6% Ukrainian + 42.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.68
13 53.1% Greek_Thessaly + 46.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.71
14 69.1% Moldavian + 30.9% North_Italian @ 4.75
15 58.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 4.82
16 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 4.89
17 65.5% Moldavian + 34.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.92
18 75.2% Moldavian + 24.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.93
19 64.3% Greek_Thessaly + 35.7% Estonian @ 4.97
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.97

Cumansky

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.56
2 North_Sea 25.55
3 Eastern_Euro 17.34
4 Atlantic 11.17
5 East_Med 6.9
6 West_Med 6.1
7 West_Asian 1.37
8 Siberian 0.75
9 Sub-Saharan 0.54
10 Amerindian 0.43
11 Oceanian 0.25
12 Southeast_Asian 0.04
13 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 6.35
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 6.51
3 South_Polish 8.03
4 Estonian 8.88
5 Polish 9.02
6 Southwest_Russian 9.93
7 Belorussian 10.09
8 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.44
9 Russian_Smolensk 10.62
10 Estonian_Polish 11.03
11 Lithuanian 11.06
12 Hungarian 11.89
13 Croatian 12.05
14 Finnish 12.21
15 Moldavian 12.66
16 Kargopol_Russian 13.32
17 East_Finnish 13.44
18 Southwest_Finnish 13.99
19 Erzya 14.85
20 East_German 15.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% Estonian + 19.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.71
2 87% Estonian + 13% Libyan_Jewish @ 5.79
3 88.7% Estonian + 11.3% Samaritan @ 5.87
4 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.9
5 71.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.9% Estonian @ 5.93
6 87.8% Estonian + 12.2% Cyprian @ 5.94
7 89% Estonian + 11% Lebanese_Druze @ 5.98
8 77.5% Ukrainian + 22.5% Estonian @ 6.07
9 87% Estonian + 13% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.13
10 86.7% Estonian + 13.3% Italian_Jewish @ 6.15
11 84.6% Estonian + 15.4% Central_Greek @ 6.17
12 85.8% Estonian + 14.2% South_Italian @ 6.18
13 84.2% Estonian + 15.8% Ashkenazi @ 6.18
14 97.8% Ukrainian + 2.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 6.2
15 85% Estonian + 15% East_Sicilian @ 6.22
16 89% Estonian + 11% Palestinian @ 6.23
17 89.7% Ukrainian + 10.3% Lithuanian @ 6.26
18 88.8% Estonian + 11.2% Jordanian @ 6.27
19 98.2% Ukrainian + 1.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.28
20 84.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 15.8% Lithuanian @ 6.28


Here you are.

84527

[Ayetooey]

Cool map.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Cool map.

Somebody should make one for Serbs.

[MercifulServant]

Wtf that Andelko guy plots near south poles

[rein]

Wtf that Andelko guy plots near south poles

Kinda like Vlatko Vukovic who plots north of Serbian reference population.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Wtf that Andelko guy plots near south poles

He is most north shifted Croat by far.

[MercifulServant]

He is most north shifted Croat.

I didnt know South Slavs could plot that Northern.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I didnt know South Slavs could plot that Northern.

He ls lot more northern shifted than me and I am half Slovenian.

[Cumansky]

I didnt know South Slavs could plot that Northern.

Andelko..

(Croatian) @ 0.8801

35.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
22.4 Baltic
20.2 Balkan
15.6 Northwest European
6 South Balkan

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Kinda like Vlatko Vukovic who plots north of Serbian reference population.

Vlatko is a Bosniak not Serb. Bosnia is genetically between Croatia and Serbia but closer to Croatia. Bosnian Serbs and Croats also plot similar like him. Usually. There are exceptions though.

[Cumansky]

Here you are.

84527

Thanks, respect

[Mingle]

I didnt know South Slavs could plot that Northern.

IIRC, Pribislav said there was a Bosniak on Poreklo that plotted with Slovaks.

[Lucas]

Croat with all grandparents from Varazdin area. Place please:)

North_Sea 23.26 Pct
Atlantic 18.79 Pct
Baltic 18.59 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.77 Pct
West_Med 9.98 Pct
West_Asian 2.98 Pct
East_Med 7.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.98 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Matxe92]

Croat from all grandparents from Varazdin area. Place please:)

North_Sea 23.26 Pct
Atlantic 18.79 Pct
Baltic 18.59 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.77 Pct
West_Med 9.98 Pct
West_Asian 2.98 Pct
East_Med 7.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.98 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -


Give me the Y-axis and X-axis placements and i can do it.

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Croat with all grandparents from Varazdin area. Place please:)

North_Sea 23.26 Pct
Atlantic 18.79 Pct
Baltic 18.59 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.77 Pct
West_Med 9.98 Pct
West_Asian 2.98 Pct
East_Med 7.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.98 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Thanks man!

https://i.imgur.com/otfC4nf.png

Very northern shifted not far from Anđelko. He is between Czechs and Austrians.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

All 3 full NW Croats are more northern than me lol. I overlap most closely with Jana. I guess my 18th century ancestry from northeastern Bosnia did pull me bit south.

[Tschaikisten]

Where is Noliđ guy from? We plot same.

https://i.imgur.com/TcTxTkp.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Where is Noliđ guy from? We plot same.

https://i.imgur.com/TcTxTkp.png

Dalmatia for sure, which part I'm not sure. let me check

[Alenka]

Thanks man!

https://i.imgur.com/otfC4nf.png

Very northern shifted not far from Anđelko. He is closest to Czechs.
He also plots very close to that Slovene you recently posted. Not suprising since NW Croatian and Slovene have very similar language (Kajkavian). Even surnames are so similar, often even shared.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Noliđ is from Zagora (hinterland) it seem mate. He's R1b brother

[Tschaikisten]

Noliđ is from Zagora (hinterland) it seem mate. He's R1b brother

Makes sense. I have an relatively close match from that area, from Imotski.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He also plots very close to that Slovene you recently posted. Not suprising since NW Croatian and Slovene have very similar language (Kajkavian). Even surnames are so similar, often even shared.

Yes well spotted. Slovenes and northwest Croats are genetically more West Slavic, than South Slavic.

[Lucas]

Thanks man!

https://i.imgur.com/otfC4nf.png

Very northern shifted not far from Anđelko. He is between Czechs and Austrians.

Andelko also has some near Varazdin roots I heard.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Updated, haplogroups added and one dude from Zagreb is there. I'm not only Purger on PCA now! Even better, dude is R1b U106 just like me :D

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2q1hyky.jpg


Andelko also has some near Varazdin roots I heard.

He is from Zagorje I think, Varaždin is defacto part of Zagorje.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrvatsko_Zagorje

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

New update, lot of samples added lol

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2m5m0eq.jpg

[CommonSense]

New update, lot of samples added lol

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2m5m0eq.jpg

seems like you added some long lost catholic Serbs ;)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

seems like you added some long lost catholic Serbs ;)

She added them mate, these are samples with unknown origin, but they are Croats. xD

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

she added her husband also, dude's inside Croatian cluster

http://oi68.tinypic.com/29mlglk.jpg

[Leto]

she added her husband also, dude's inside Croatian cluster

Stears? Haha. That piece of shit was trolling and talking shit about Slavs bragging about how Western he is. Yet he got like 3-4% mongoloid on GEDmatch and 2% South Asian on some calcs and his first pop was Moldova, lol.

[CommonSense]

She added them mate, these are samples with unknown origin, but they are Croats. xD

I've never seen any ethnic Croats plot so close to the Serbian average like those bottom four (Max Soldo and the three yellow dots). All the samples I've seen so far were close to Hungarians or something, other than one guy from Dalmatia Pribislav posted and even he isn't like those four people, but more like intermediate between Serbs and Croats.

And what's with the guy who plots more eastern than Moldovans? :rofl_002: He must have some Russian ancestry...I guess it's possible since 30 000 of them lived in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and some even survived WW2 and were assimilated.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I've never seen any ethnic Croats plot so close to the Serbian average like those bottom four (Max Soldo and the three yellow dots). All the samples I've seen so far were close to Hungarians or something, other than one guy from Dalmatia Pribislav posted and even he isn't like those four people, but more like intermediate between Serbs and Croats.

And what's with the guy who plots more eastern than Moldovans? :rofl_002: He must have some Russian ancestry...I guess it's possible since 30 000 of them lived in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and some even survived WW2 and were assimilated.

Max Soldo is very northern for BiH Croat, he plots on Croatian dot. Southern shifted one is another guy. I don't know where she got these samples, I think from Anđelko.
Morohr is most southern shifted forum member bruv. He plots with these yellow boxes.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Stears? Haha. That piece of shit was trolling and talking shit about Slavs bragging about how Western he is. Yet he got like 3-4% mongoloid on GEDmatch and 2% South Asian on some calcs and his first pop was Moldova, lol.

Dude is very eastern shifted for a Magyar . she posted his Ancetrydna lol

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dhwabs.jpg

i guess he is magyarized East Slav or something. Got germanic ydna though

[CommonSense]

Max Soldo is very northern for BiH Croat, he plots on Croatian dot. Southern shifted one is another guy. I don't know where she got these samples, I think from Anđelko.
Morohr is most southern shifted forum member bruv. He plots with these yellow boxes.

Yeah, I mistook him for another (unknown) Bosnian Croat result. Still, do you know who that most eastern shifted guy is? His results are the most peculiar of all.

[Leto]

Dude is very eastern shifted for a Magyar . she posted his Ancetrydna lol

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dhwabs.jpg

i guess he is magyarized East Slav or something. Got germanic ydna though
Yep, that's the irony. He's not even as Western as the Magyar reference on GED. I mean there's nothing wrong with that, he's a white guy, no question but why troll and despise people that are not much different from yourself?

[Peterski]

Dude is very eastern shifted for a Magyar . she posted his Ancetrydna lol

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dhwabs.jpg

i guess he is magyarized East Slav or something. Got germanic ydna though

I think he is Szekely, Magyar from Romania.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yeah, I mistook him for another (unknown) Bosnian Croat result. Still, do you know who that most eastern shifted guy is? His results are the most peculiar of all.

No but I wonder too. There were East Slavs in Slavonia, maybe he's from there ?

[Peterski]

Yep, that's the irony. He's not even as Western as the Magyar reference on GED.

Stears has ancestry from this area IIRC:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székely_Land

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székelys

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I think he is Szekely, Magyar from Romania.

Yeah she mentioned he is from Transylvania.

[Peterski]

Yeah she mentioned he is from Transylvania.

They are genetically different than Hungarians "proper".

[Leto]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székely_Land
I've read about Szekely. Do you think Northern Hungary and the Northern Great Plain are the most 'Slavic' parts of Hungary?

[Peterski]

Stears is a very patriotic Hungarian despite plotting with Moldovans. Poles from Belarus and Lithuania are also very proud Polish patriots even though genetically they are way closer to Lithuanians and to Belarusians than to me (for example):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfg4Xo6zpDM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4tqowgA5wI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVuz45ylIks

Genetics has no importance for real-life ethnic identities.

[Peterski]

I've read about Szekely. Do you think Northern Hungary and the Northern Great Plain are the most 'Slavic' parts of Hungary?

I guess so (that they have Slavic blood), but I think that Szekelys might also have a higher percent of Proto-Magyar ancestry than for example Western Hungarians. They are just less mixed with Germans.

Proto-Magyars came from the east and they could have Mongoloid admixture (maybe that's why Stears has some Siberian).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I guess so (that they have Slavic blood), but I think that Szekelys might also have a higher percent of Proto-Magyar ancestry than for example Western Hungarians. They are just less mixed with Germans.

Proto-Magyars came from the east and they could have Mongoloid admixture (maybe that's why Stears has some Siberian).

could have ? They had mongoloid for sure lol. Jana wrote her husband is 4% mongoloid and that shifts him additionaly eastern.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Damn Istrian dude just posted his results he's western as fuck.

[Leto]

Damn Istrian dude just posted his results he's western as fuck.
Ask him to post K13 and Dod K12.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ask him to post K13 and Dod K12.

Dude scores zero west Asian lol but has actually high med.

[Mingle]

Stears? Haha. That piece of shit was trolling and talking shit about Slavs bragging about how Western he is. Yet he got like 3-4% mongoloid on GEDmatch and 2% South Asian on some calcs and his first pop was Moldova, lol.

Regardless of how he plots, posting him there kind of ruins the purpose of that. You may as well plot Bosniaks and western Serbs.


Stears? Haha. That piece of shit was trolling and talking shit about Slavs bragging about how Western he is. Yet he got like 3-4% mongoloid on GEDmatch and 2% South Asian on some calcs and his first pop was Moldova, lol.

Do you think he looks Slavic?

[Mingle]

Dude is very eastern shifted for a Magyar . she posted his Ancetrydna lol

http://oi66.tinypic.com/2dhwabs.jpg

i guess he is magyarized East Slav or something. Got germanic ydna though

He's half-Szekler (Transylvania Hungarian) so that shifts him a bit southeast I guess.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I added Istrian dude on my own but following Jana style. Look where he plots bros, he's more western than your average Czech.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/b4tiy0.jpg

[Pribislav]

could have ? They had mongoloid for sure lol. Jana wrote her husband is 4% mongoloid and that shifts him additionaly eastern.

Stears is half Szekely, his father was Szekely.

His mother is from western Hungary.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He's half-Szekler (Transylvania Hungarian) so that shifts him a bit southeast I guess.


Stears is half Szekely, his father was Szekely.

His mother is from western Hungary.

He's 100% East Euro tho and more east shifted than any Croat except that outlier who looks almost East Slavic.

[CommonSense]

I added Istrian dude on my own but following Jana style. Look where he plots bros, he's more western than your average Czech.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/b4tiy0.jpg

There are/were plenty of Italians in Istria. It's not that surprising.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

There are/were plenty of Italians in Istria. It's not that surprising.

Man, he gets zero West Asian lulz, I tought that's freaking impossible. I get like 10% lol
do Italians get any west Asian ? he say he's Croat, but for sure has some Italian blood imo

[Pribislav]

I added Istrian dude on my own but following Jana style. Look where he plots bros, he's more western than your average Czech.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/b4tiy0.jpg

Istrian guy is MoroHr from forum.hr, right?

[Mingle]

could have ? They had mongoloid for sure lol. Jana wrote her husband is 4% mongoloid and that shifts him additionaly eastern.

I don't remember him being 4% East Eurasian, it was more like 2% IIRC. He gets 1.89% EE (including Amerindian) on K15.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224584-STEARS-results&p=4716253&viewfull=1#post4716253

But I guess this is more than the Hungarian average and enough to shift him furthermore east (in addition to other components).

He also kept insulting Balkanites but he's genetically more Balkan-shifted than most Hungarians cause of his Szekler ancestry.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

On PCA Istrian dude looks half way between France and Serbia.

[Mingle]

Man, he gets zero West Asian lulz, I tought that's freaking impossible. I get like 10% lol
do Italians get any west Asian ? he say he's Croat, but for sure has some Italian blood imo

The Croat ethnogenesis happened in Dalmatia. Dalmatians probably have the most Old Croat blood. The Istrian is shifted west cause he has less Old Croat (Slavic) blood. Even if Northwest Croats have less Old Croat blood than Dalmatians, they have Pannonian Slavic blood that keeps them from being as western shifted as the Istrian.

[CommonSense]

Man, he gets zero West Asian lulz, I tought that's freaking impossible. I get like 10% lol
do Italians get any west Asian ? he say he's Croat, but for sure has some Italian blood imo

There's one guy among these samples who gets 0 west asian, so I guess it's possible but still an outlier:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239582-8-GEDmatch-results-from-North-Italy

[Leto]

Man, he gets zero West Asian lulz, I tought that's freaking impossible. I get like 10% lol
do Italians get any west Asian ? he say he's Croat, but for sure has some Italian blood imo
Jana claimed Italianos in Croatia were mostly assimilated Croats. Not sure about that but they sure aren't like the half Lebanese wogs our admin has been posting for years :lol: I think he should get more WA on K13, that was K15.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't remember him being 4% East Eurasian, it was more like 2% IIRC. He gets 1.89% EE (including Amerindian) on K15.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?224584-STEARS-results&p=4716253&viewfull=1#post4716253

But I guess this is more than the Hungarian average and enough to shift him furthermore east (in addition to other components).

He also kept insulting Balkanites but he's genetically more Balkan-shifted than most Hungarians cause of his Szekler ancestry.

you consider Moldova Balkan mate ? imo it's eastern Europe. This dude also gets Slavs and Balts on AncestryDNA, I don't think he has Balkan. he doesn't score it there, neither do I.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Istrian guy is MoroHr from forum.hr, right?

No, Moro is no.16 in yellow.

[Mingle]

you consider Moldova Balkan mate ? imo it's eastern Europe. This dude also gets Slavs and Balts on AncestryDNA, I don't think he has Balkan. he doesn't score it there, neither do I.Nah. By Balkan-shifted, I meant shifted towards the lands south of the Carpathians. I didn't say he was genetically a Balkanite, just that he was more shifted towards that region than the average Hungarian was. "Southern shifted" would have probably been a less confusing term I guess.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The Croat ethnogenesis happened in Dalmatia. Dalmatians probably have the most Old Croat blood. The Istrian is shifted west cause he has less Old Croat (Slavic) blood. Even if Northwest Croats have less Old Croat blood than Dalmatians, they have Pannonian Slavic blood that keeps them from being as western shifted as the Istrian.

Probably yeah. NW Croats are more western shifted than Dalmatians, check PCA. But also more northern shifted. There's some German in there just like Slovenians.
Dalmatians have more Balkan also.

[Leto]

Robocop is the only partial Italian from Croatia I know :D
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=11775&dateline=1544932516

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Jana claimed Italianos in Croatia were mostly assimilated Croats. Not sure about that but they sure aren't like the half Lebanese wogs our admin has been posting for years :lol: I think he should get more WA on K13, that was K15.

Nah I don't think so. There were lot of ethnic Italians on Croatian coast. They did try to forcefully Italianize Slavs during Mussolini though. Same happened in western Slovenia.

[Leto]

Nah I don't think so. There were lot of ethnic Italians on Croatian coast. They did try to forcefully Italianize Slavs during Mussolini though. Same happened in western Slovenia.
But they were like super Northern Italians genetically, nothing like Tuscany, let alone Southern Italy.

[IncelSlayer]

He's 100% East Euro tho and more east shifted than any Croat except that outlier who looks almost East Slavic.

Without his western hungarian mother he'd plot somewhere in Bulgaria or somewhere in S.Romania if we take the avg hungarian eu k15.He has both non-noise low caste gypsy admixture and mongoloid.

@ lol at Jana's including him in that PCA, she's really insecure, Stears is probably looking to move to Croatia in the future, because Hungary will become a gypsy shithole

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

But they were like super Northern Italians genetically, nothing like Tuscany, let alone Southern Italy.

Yeah Venetians and Friulians. Northeastern Italians are most northern shifted of the bunch.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Without his western hungarian mother he'd plot somewhere in Bulgaria or somewhere in S.Romania if we take the avg hungarian eu k15.He has both non-noise low caste gypsy admixture and mongoloid.

@ lol at Jana's including him in that PCA, she's really insecure, Stears is probably looking to move to Croatia in the future, because Hungary will become a gypsy shithole

He's in separate PCA mate, main one doesn't include him. Why do you think he has Gypsy admixture though ? I don't see it in his Ancestry report.

[Leto]

Stears is probably looking to move to Croatia in the future, because Hungary will become a gypsy shithole
Lately Hungary has been the most based EU country, they're really hard on Muzzrat and 3rd world mass migration and protect their identity unlike most other European states.

[Leto]

He's in separate PCA mate, main one doesn't include him. Why do you think he has Gypsy admixture though ? I don't see it in his Ancestry report.
I have his GM results

[Blondie]

Without his western hungarian mother he'd plot somewhere in Bulgaria or somewhere in S.Romania if we take the avg hungarian eu k15.He has both non-noise low caste gypsy admixture and mongoloid.

@ lol at Jana's including him in that PCA, she's really insecure, Stears is probably looking to move to Croatia in the future, because Hungary will become a gypsy shithole

There is much more gypsie in your country, Romania:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Roma_in_Europe_2007_map-fr.svg/690px-Roma_in_Europe_2007_map-fr.svg.png

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTROMA/Images/ECAmap.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/08/article-2245032-16694FB3000005DC-984_634x632.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mTEkqRb6kig/TdICrtbRoGI/AAAAAAAAAJI/KRq2F5RmDWY/s1600/BBC_europe_roma_population.gif

Get a life you stupid troll and don't harassing hungarians in your every comment.

[Blondie]

He's in separate PCA mate, main one doesn't include him. Why do you think he has Gypsy admixture though ? I don't see it in his Ancestry report.

He is a stupid retard hungarophobic romanian troll, don't you see?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I have his GM results

Is Magyar dude part Gypsy ? It's hard for me to believe it since he's 100% Eastern Euro on Ancestry lol

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He is a stupid retard hungarophobic romanian troll, don't you see?

He thinks you are Stears sock, and I Jana's lmao. One user told me that in private.

[Leto]

Is Magyar dude part Gypsy ? It's hard for me to believe it since he's 100% Eastern Euro on Ancestry lol
I doubt but who knows. See for yourself

HarappaWorld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 46.67
2 Mediterranean 20.75
3 Caucasian 15.79
4 Baloch 7.97
5 SW-Asian 4.17
6 Siberian 1.28
7 S-Indian 1.2
8 Beringian 1.16
9 American 0.64
10 San 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 4.57
2 slovenian (xing) 5.02
3 ukranian (yunusbayev) 11.88
4 romanian-a (behar) 13.35
5 n-european (xing) 13.58
6 utahn-white (hapmap) 15.15
7 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.42
8 utahn-white (1000genomes) 15.55
9 french (hgdp) 16.44
10 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.21
11 british (1000genomes) 17.47
12 belorussian (behar) 17.94
13 russian (behar) 18.19
14 orcadian (hgdp) 18.96
15 russian (hgdp) 20.66
16 chuvash (behar) 22.44
17 italian (hgdp) 23.13
18 lithuanian (behar) 25.64
19 spaniard (behar) 26.17
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.25


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


#
Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1
90.2% slovenian (xing) + 9.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
2
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% iranian (behar) @ 1.82
3
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.89
4
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% kurd (harappa) @ 1.94
5
92% slovenian (xing) + 8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 2.19
6
92.6% slovenian (xing) + 7.4% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 2.19
7
91.2% slovenian (xing) + 8.8% turkish (harappa) @ 2.21
8
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.22
9
91.4% slovenian (xing) + 8.6% azeri (harappa) @ 2.23
10
89.9% slovenian (xing) + 10.1% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.26
11
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% iranian-jew (behar) @ 2.3
12
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% syrian (behar) @ 2.31
13
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% iraq-jew (behar) @ 2.35
14
91.4% slovenian (xing) + 8.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.38
15
89.3% slovenian (xing) + 10.7% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.43
16
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.45
17
92.2% slovenian (xing) + 7.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.45
18
91.2% slovenian (xing) + 8.8% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.48
19
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% lebanese (behar) @ 2.48


Dodecad K7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 63.37
2 West_Asian 17.5
3 Southern 14.53
4 Siberian 2.68
5 South_Asian 1.57
6 African 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 6.16
2 French (HGDP) 10.55
3 Romanians (Behar) 11.07
4 French (Dodecad) 11.11
5 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 12.08
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.18
7 German (Dodecad) 12.22
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 12.61
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 12.96
10 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.08
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 13.17
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 13.46
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 13.77
14 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 13.8
15 English (Dodecad) 14.26
16 Argyll (1000Genomes) 15.18
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.27
18 British (Dodecad) 15.32
19 Irish (Dodecad) 15.42
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 15.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#
Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1
61% Romanians (Behar) + 39% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.04
2
88.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.18
3
89.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.21
4
60.6% Romanians (Behar) + 39.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.25
5
66.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 33.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.27
6
72.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.4% Turks (Behar) @ 1.29
7
62.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 37.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.3
8
67.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 32.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.31
9
67.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 32.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.35
10
62.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 37.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.38
11
67.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 32.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.4
12
72.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.4
13
58.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.43
14
69.6% Romanians (Behar) + 30.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.43
15
69.9% Romanians (Behar) + 30.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.44
16
83.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 16.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.45
17
72.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.47
18
72.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 27.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.47
19
68.1% Russian (Dodecad) + 31.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.49


Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.41
2 Atlantic_Med 23.95
3 Caucasus 17.17
4 Gedrosia 6.14
5 Southwest_Asian 3.56
6 Siberian 2.02
7 South_Asian 1.42
8 Northwest_African 1.05
9 East_African 0.24
10 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.49
2 German (Dodecad) 11.73
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.28
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.08
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.7
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.54
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.61
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.97
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.32
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.48
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.25
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.39
14 English (Dodecad) 21.47
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.51
16 French (Dodecad) 21.67
17 French (HGDP) 22.11
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.47
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.68
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
2 91% Hungarians (Behar) + 9% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.33
3 89.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 90.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
5 53% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
6 91.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.5
7 91.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
8 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.8
9 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.84
10 91.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.9
11 90.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.94
12 88.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.96
13 90.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.3% Turks (Behar) @ 3.01
14 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.02
15 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
16 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.11
17 55.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 44.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
18 93.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.2
19 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.2
20 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.22


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.22
2 North_Atlantic 28.2
3 West_Med 12.91
4 West_Asian 10.92
5 East_Med 10.62
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Siberian 1.89
8 Red_Sea 0.76
9 Amerindian 0.76
10 Northeast_African 0.47
11 East_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

1 Moldavian 4.71
2 Hungarian 5
3 Croatian 5.78
4 Serbian 6.88
5 Austrian 9.2
6 East_German 9.96
7 Romanian 10.29
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.15
9 South_Polish 11.4
10 Ukrainian 12.53
11 Bulgarian 12.86
12 Polish 15.14
13 Southwest_Russian 15.81
14 West_German 15.83
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.88
16 South_Dutch 17.33
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.41
18 Estonian_Polish 18.15
19 North_German 18.21
20 Belorussian 18.59


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Kabardin @ 2.29
2 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Balkar @ 2.38
3 90.3% Hungarian + 9.7% Adygei @ 2.42
4 89.5% Hungarian + 10.5% Kumyk @ 2.42
5 90.6% Hungarian + 9.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.43
6 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Chechen @ 2.58
7 90.5% Hungarian + 9.5% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.63
8 92.3% Hungarian + 7.7% Abhkasian @ 2.66
9 91.1% Hungarian + 8.9% Ossetian @ 2.66
10 90.2% Hungarian + 9.8% Lezgin @ 2.71
11 92% Hungarian + 8% Georgian @ 2.73
12 88.9% Hungarian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.73
13 93% Hungarian + 7% Makrani @ 2.78
14 90% Hungarian + 10% Tadjik @ 2.79
15 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% Brahui @ 2.8
16 91.2% Hungarian + 8.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.8
17 93.2% Hungarian + 6.8% Balochi @ 2.83
18 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Tabassaran @ 2.84
19 82.8% Moldavian + 17.2% North_German @ 2.85
20 90.5% Hungarian + 9.5% Turkmen @ 2.86

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I doubt but who knows. See for yourself

HarappaWorld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 46.67
2 Mediterranean 20.75
3 Caucasian 15.79
4 Baloch 7.97
5 SW-Asian 4.17
6 Siberian 1.28
7 S-Indian 1.2
8 Beringian 1.16
9 American 0.64
10 San 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 hungarian (behar) 4.57
2 slovenian (xing) 5.02
3 ukranian (yunusbayev) 11.88
4 romanian-a (behar) 13.35
5 n-european (xing) 13.58
6 utahn-white (hapmap) 15.15
7 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 15.42
8 utahn-white (1000genomes) 15.55
9 french (hgdp) 16.44
10 mordovian (yunusbayev) 17.21
11 british (1000genomes) 17.47
12 belorussian (behar) 17.94
13 russian (behar) 18.19
14 orcadian (hgdp) 18.96
15 russian (hgdp) 20.66
16 chuvash (behar) 22.44
17 italian (hgdp) 23.13
18 lithuanian (behar) 25.64
19 spaniard (behar) 26.17
20 tuscan (hapmap) 26.25


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


#
Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1
90.2% slovenian (xing) + 9.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 1.78
2
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% iranian (behar) @ 1.82
3
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 1.89
4
91.5% slovenian (xing) + 8.5% kurd (harappa) @ 1.94
5
92% slovenian (xing) + 8% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 2.19
6
92.6% slovenian (xing) + 7.4% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 2.19
7
91.2% slovenian (xing) + 8.8% turkish (harappa) @ 2.21
8
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.22
9
91.4% slovenian (xing) + 8.6% azeri (harappa) @ 2.23
10
89.9% slovenian (xing) + 10.1% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 2.26
11
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% iranian-jew (behar) @ 2.3
12
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% syrian (behar) @ 2.31
13
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% iraq-jew (behar) @ 2.35
14
91.4% slovenian (xing) + 8.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 2.38
15
89.3% slovenian (xing) + 10.7% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 2.43
16
92.7% slovenian (xing) + 7.3% assyrian (harappa) @ 2.45
17
92.2% slovenian (xing) + 7.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 2.45
18
91.2% slovenian (xing) + 8.8% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.48
19
91.9% slovenian (xing) + 8.1% lebanese (behar) @ 2.48


Dodecad K7

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 63.37
2 West_Asian 17.5
3 Southern 14.53
4 Siberian 2.68
5 South_Asian 1.57
6 African 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 6.16
2 French (HGDP) 10.55
3 Romanians (Behar) 11.07
4 French (Dodecad) 11.11
5 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 12.08
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.18
7 German (Dodecad) 12.22
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 12.61
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 12.96
10 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.08
11 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 13.17
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 13.46
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 13.77
14 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 13.8
15 English (Dodecad) 14.26
16 Argyll (1000Genomes) 15.18
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.27
18 British (Dodecad) 15.32
19 Irish (Dodecad) 15.42
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 15.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#
Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1
61% Romanians (Behar) + 39% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.04
2
88.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.18
3
89.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.21
4
60.6% Romanians (Behar) + 39.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.25
5
66.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 33.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.27
6
72.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.4% Turks (Behar) @ 1.29
7
62.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 37.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.3
8
67.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 32.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.31
9
67.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 32.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.35
10
62.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 37.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.38
11
67.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 32.2% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.4
12
72.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.4
13
58.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.43
14
69.6% Romanians (Behar) + 30.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.43
15
69.9% Romanians (Behar) + 30.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.44
16
83.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 16.6% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.45
17
72.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.47
18
72.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 27.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 1.47
19
68.1% Russian (Dodecad) + 31.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.49


Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.41
2 Atlantic_Med 23.95
3 Caucasus 17.17
4 Gedrosia 6.14
5 Southwest_Asian 3.56
6 Siberian 2.02
7 South_Asian 1.42
8 Northwest_African 1.05
9 East_African 0.24
10 Sub_Saharan 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.49
2 German (Dodecad) 11.73
3 Romanians (Behar) 13.28
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.08
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.7
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.54
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.61
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.66
9 Polish (Dodecad) 18.97
10 Swedish (Dodecad) 20.32
11 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.48
12 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.25
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.39
14 English (Dodecad) 21.47
15 Norwegian (Dodecad) 21.51
16 French (Dodecad) 21.67
17 French (HGDP) 22.11
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.47
19 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 22.68
20 Argyll (1000Genomes) 23.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.5% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
2 91% Hungarians (Behar) + 9% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.33
3 89.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 90.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
5 53% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.48
6 91.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.9% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.5
7 91.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.66
8 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.8
9 92% Hungarians (Behar) + 8% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.84
10 91.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.9
11 90.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.94
12 88.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.96
13 90.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.3% Turks (Behar) @ 3.01
14 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 3.02
15 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.09
16 90.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 9.5% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.11
17 55.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 44.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.17
18 93.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.2
19 92.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.5% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.2
20 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 3.22


Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.22
2 North_Atlantic 28.2
3 West_Med 12.91
4 West_Asian 10.92
5 East_Med 10.62
6 South_Asian 2.02
7 Siberian 1.89
8 Red_Sea 0.76
9 Amerindian 0.76
10 Northeast_African 0.47
11 East_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

1 Moldavian 4.71
2 Hungarian 5
3 Croatian 5.78
4 Serbian 6.88
5 Austrian 9.2
6 East_German 9.96
7 Romanian 10.29
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.15
9 South_Polish 11.4
10 Ukrainian 12.53
11 Bulgarian 12.86
12 Polish 15.14
13 Southwest_Russian 15.81
14 West_German 15.83
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.88
16 South_Dutch 17.33
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.41
18 Estonian_Polish 18.15
19 North_German 18.21
20 Belorussian 18.59


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 89.6% Hungarian + 10.4% Kabardin @ 2.29
2 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Balkar @ 2.38
3 90.3% Hungarian + 9.7% Adygei @ 2.42
4 89.5% Hungarian + 10.5% Kumyk @ 2.42
5 90.6% Hungarian + 9.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.43
6 89.9% Hungarian + 10.1% Chechen @ 2.58
7 90.5% Hungarian + 9.5% Afghan_Tadjik @ 2.63
8 92.3% Hungarian + 7.7% Abhkasian @ 2.66
9 91.1% Hungarian + 8.9% Ossetian @ 2.66
10 90.2% Hungarian + 9.8% Lezgin @ 2.71
11 92% Hungarian + 8% Georgian @ 2.73
12 88.9% Hungarian + 11.1% Nogay @ 2.73
13 93% Hungarian + 7% Makrani @ 2.78
14 90% Hungarian + 10% Tadjik @ 2.79
15 93.3% Hungarian + 6.7% Brahui @ 2.8
16 91.2% Hungarian + 8.8% Afghan_Pashtun @ 2.8
17 93.2% Hungarian + 6.8% Balochi @ 2.83
18 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Tabassaran @ 2.84
19 82.8% Moldavian + 17.2% North_German @ 2.85
20 90.5% Hungarian + 9.5% Turkmen @ 2.86


He does get little bit Indian though. But than you got uber north German dude Token who gets even more Indian than him. Idk, maybe minor Gypsy blood far back ?

[Blondie]

He thinks you are Stears sock, and I Jana's lmao. One user told me that in private.

I know it, this guy is spreading lies about me too in pm messages that "i am stears" etc... But i will save his all hungarian hater comments, i hope he will be banned again.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I know it, this guy is spreading lies about me too in pm messages that "i am stears" etc... But i will save his all hungarian hater comments, i hope he will be banned again.

do you hate me though ? :D

[Blondie]

do you hate me though ? :D

I don't hate you, why do you think it? :D

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't hate you, why do you think it? :D

You unfriended me because I am friends with Cristiano Viejo, remember ? It was hard ego blow girl :cry2

[IncelSlayer]

He's in separate PCA mate, main one doesn't include him. Why do you think he has Gypsy admixture though ? I don't see it in his Ancestry report.

Scores minor s.indian in almost all calculators and in Szekelyland live the most gypsies in Romania.


He thinks you are Stears sock, and I Jana's lmao.

No I don't.


I know it, this guy is spreading lies about me too in pm messages that "i am stears" etc...

Where's the proof?

[Blondie]

Where's the proof?

My pm messages are personal sorry.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Scores minor s.indian in almost all calculators and in Szekelyland live the most gypsies in Romania.

No I don't.

Where's the proof?

I guess he could have some Gypsy far back. And well my apologies dude, apparently somebody was trolling me in PM.

[Blondie]

I guess he could have some Gypsy far back. And well my apologies dude, apparently somebody was trolling me in PM.

Nobody was trolling with you, he is lying.

[Blondie]

You unfriended me because I am friends with Cristiano Viejo, remember ? It was hard ego blow girl :cry2

I send it again :)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Nobody was trolling with you, he is lying.

Idk but it's not really important. If Stears has some Gypsy it's really minor. Pretty sure Gypsy admixture in Romania and Bulgaria isn't very rare, and by that I mean mixes like Mortimer.
North Croatia has some Gypsy population, check this:

https://i.imgur.com/Ejhb1pZ.gif

5% H marker among ethnic Croats, it means some Gypsies did assimilate in our gene pool. No reason to deny the obvious, I prefer facts.

[Blondie]

Idk but it's not really important. If Stears has some Gypsy it's really minor. Pretty sure Gypsy admixture in Romania and Bulgaria isn't very rare, and by that I mean mixes like Mortimer.
North Croatia has some Gypsy population, check this:

https://i.imgur.com/Ejhb1pZ.gif

5% H marker among ethnic Croats, it means some Gypsies did assimilate in our gene pool. No reason to deny the obvious, I prefer facts.

Stears has mongoloic ancestry not gypsie. He is partly székely and székelys are pure descedants of huns.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I send it again :)

:flower

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Stears has mongoloic ancestry not gypsie. He is partly székely and székelys are pure descedants of huns.

That's quite badass lol

[Blondie]

That's quite badass lol

Ironic... :cool: If Stears would be here now i would be a neocuman romanian serbian idk impostor :D

[Cumansky]

NATO, here is my closest Croatian match (East shifted outlier for your chart, if you don't believe he Croatian I send you kit..)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.27
2 North_Sea 16.64
3 Atlantic 15.8
4 Eastern_Euro 14.52
5 East_Med 12.56
6 West_Med 10.38
7 West_Asian 8.71
8 Amerindian 0.62
9 Siberian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.5
2 Serbian 6
3 Croatian 6.56
4 Romanian 6.71
5 Bulgarian 8.51
6 Hungarian 8.61
7 Austrian 9.2
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.25
9 South_Polish 12.44
10 Ukrainian 12.93
11 East_German 13.47
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.93
13 Polish 14.97
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.01
15 Southwest_Russian 15.46
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.48
17 Greek 16.86
18 Belorussian 17.27
19 Estonian_Polish 17.4
20 Kargopol_Russian 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.1% Greek + 45.9% Estonian @ 2.41
2 70.7% Bulgarian + 29.3% Estonian @ 2.43
3 57.8% South_Polish + 42.2% Greek @ 2.45
4 65.3% Bulgarian + 34.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.63
5 56.8% Ukrainian + 43.2% Greek @ 2.65
6 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.67
7 61% Bulgarian + 39% Ukrainian @ 2.7
8 53.1% Polish + 46.9% Greek @ 2.72
9 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.72
10 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Polish @ 2.73
11 60.1% Bulgarian + 39.9% South_Polish @ 2.78
12 70.7% Romanian + 29.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.88
13 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Belorussian @ 2.92
14 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.92
15 68.1% Bulgarian + 31.9% Belorussian @ 2.95
16 64.7% Bulgarian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.95
17 77.3% Romanian + 22.7% Lithuanian @ 2.97
18 60.3% Polish + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 2.99
19 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Cyprian @ 3
20 69.4% Bulgarian + 30.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.01

[IncelSlayer]

My pm messages are personal sorry.

It is very easy to talk shit that you cant back up.This forum has clear rules you need to follow, next time when you do it I will make sure moderators are notified.

[Leto]

Stears has mongoloic ancestry not gypsie. He is partly székely and székelys are pure descedants of huns.


That's quite badass lol
As Turul Karom said: RISE, ALTAI!
https://i2.wp.com/expatmongolia.com/adventuretravel/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/Altai-horse-ride.jpg

[Insuperable]

NATO, here is my closest Croatian match (East shifted outlier for your chart, if you don't believe he Croatian I send you kit..)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.27
2 North_Sea 16.64
3 Atlantic 15.8
4 Eastern_Euro 14.52
5 East_Med 12.56
6 West_Med 10.38
7 West_Asian 8.71
8 Amerindian 0.62
9 Siberian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.5
2 Serbian 6
3 Croatian 6.56
4 Romanian 6.71
5 Bulgarian 8.51
6 Hungarian 8.61
7 Austrian 9.2
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.25
9 South_Polish 12.44
10 Ukrainian 12.93
11 East_German 13.47
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.93
13 Polish 14.97
14 Russian_Smolensk 15.01
15 Southwest_Russian 15.46
16 Greek_Thessaly 16.48
17 Greek 16.86
18 Belorussian 17.27
19 Estonian_Polish 17.4
20 Kargopol_Russian 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.1% Greek + 45.9% Estonian @ 2.41
2 70.7% Bulgarian + 29.3% Estonian @ 2.43
3 57.8% South_Polish + 42.2% Greek @ 2.45
4 65.3% Bulgarian + 34.7% Southwest_Russian @ 2.63
5 56.8% Ukrainian + 43.2% Greek @ 2.65
6 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.67
7 61% Bulgarian + 39% Ukrainian @ 2.7
8 53.1% Polish + 46.9% Greek @ 2.72
9 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.72
10 64.6% Bulgarian + 35.4% Polish @ 2.73
11 60.1% Bulgarian + 39.9% South_Polish @ 2.78
12 70.7% Romanian + 29.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.88
13 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Belorussian @ 2.92
14 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.92
15 68.1% Bulgarian + 31.9% Belorussian @ 2.95
16 64.7% Bulgarian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.95
17 77.3% Romanian + 22.7% Lithuanian @ 2.97
18 60.3% Polish + 39.7% Central_Greek @ 2.99
19 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Cyprian @ 3
20 69.4% Bulgarian + 30.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.01

He is on the same spot as that Pegula guy in OP? Is that him or...?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He is on the same spot as that Pegula guy in OP? Is that him or...?

Still not willing to post your data ? come on man

[Cumansky]

He is on the same spot as that Pegula guy in OP? Is that him or...?

I don't see the chart, he is added now? Is Pegula guy I2 Dinaric North cluster?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I don't see the chart, he is added now? Is Pegula guy I2 Dinaric North cluster?

He's number 13, close to Moldavia and I2-dinaric.

[Cumansky]

He's number 13, close to Moldavia and I2-dinaric.

The kit I sent you has exact same position as Pegula #13? Did you plot him or no? And why this kit "Pegula" has different I2 clade than rest of Croatians?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The kit I sent you has exact same position as Pegula #13? Did you plot him or no? And why this kit "Pegula" has different I2 clade than rest of Croatians?

Pegula is already plotted dumbass. It's obviously him lmao. Why should he have same subclade as other Croats ? From what I see they're diverse and most have different clades

[Cumansky]

Pegula is already plotted dumbass. It's obviously him lmao. Why should he have same subclade as other Croats ? From what I see they're diverse and most have different clades

Where TF is Pegula?

How do you know that is him, I don't know this guy Y-DNA..I just know his last name and he Croatian

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Where TF is Pegula?

How do you know that is him, I don't know this guy Y-DNA..I just know his last name and he Croatian

are you blind or something ? Number 13 in green. you can read the chart I hope.

[Cumansky]

are you blind or something ? Number 13 in green. you can read the chart I hope.

Why you not plot him, this Pegula someone else..

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Why you not plot him, this Pegula someone else..

Jana made the plot mostly. I added few samples only. OK will check it if you insist.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Cumansky sample added in yellow, overlaps Pegula but bit more eastern than he and also close to Moldavians.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/ake39c.jpg

[Cumansky]

Cumansky sample added in yellow, overlaps Pegula but bit more eastern than he and also close to Moldavians.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/ake39c.jpg

Interesting data, you even got one other Croatian more east than him

I ran a search of his family name most common: Bosnia, Ukraine, Croatia there is alternate spellings also in Bulgaria, Poland

[Insuperable]

It is interesting how in both Jana's case and in Anđelko's case both of their parents are SE shifted compared to their offsprings.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

It is interesting how in both Jana's case and in Anđelko's case both of their parents are SE shifted compared to their offsprings.

how to explain that though ?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

did anyone notice we got only one R1a among our ranks ? At least those whose names are known. lmao xD 3 R1b on the other hand :thumb001:
no E-V13, I1 either.

[Insuperable]

how to explain that though ?

Genetic recombination is the random exchange of genetic material. They either randomly picked material which makes them plot differently from the parents or it has to do with dna testing (dna analysis comes with +-5% error or something like that). Genetic recombination is what contributes to different plotting of people from the same region. Would you have a child with girl who has the exact same K15 results as you do, to a decimal, there is a good chance your child will be a bit different. Since we are all made of North Sea, Baltic, East Med etc. Would we all be like 100% North Sea or 100% Baltic etc then children would be exactly the same 100% this or that. Not totally sure, but that is my opinion.

[Insuperable]

I remember several years ago somebody was discussing a girl (can't remember whose ethnicity) who was quite southern shifted compared to her parents. I guess the opposite can happen.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Genetic recombination is the random exchange of genetic material. They either randomly picked material which makes them plot differently from the parents or it has to do with dna testing (dna analysis comes with +-5% error or something like that). Genetic recombination is what contributes to different plotting of people from the same region. Would you have a child with girl who has the exact same K15 results as you do, to a decimal, there is a good chance your child will be a bit different. Since we are all made of North Sea, Baltic, East Med etc. Would we all be like 100% North Sea or 100% Baltic etc then children would be exactly the same 100% this or that. Not totally sure, but that is my opinion.

Makes sense.

PCA zoomed in

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2dlqljc.jpg

[Insuperable]

Which is why even brother and sister can be genetically different.
https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/same-parents-different-ancestry

But because of how DNA is passed on, it is possible for two siblings to have some big differences in their ancestry at the DNA level. Culturally they may each say they are “1/8th Cherokee” but at the DNA level, one may have no Cherokee DNA at all.

Southern Europeans have a bit more diverse genomes than Northern Europeans which perhaps to a degree contributes to a bit more diverse plotting.

[Tschaikisten]

PCA position of my closest Croat matches (dad and son, Y-DNA R1a-Z283). Dad (red) is from Zadar when son (black) is mix of Zadar and Metkovic.

I can send you their gedmatch kits if you don't believe me.

https://i.imgur.com/kkj20zc.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

PCA position of my closest Croat matches (dad and son, Y-DNA R1a-Z283). Dad (red) is from Zadar when son (black) is mix of Zadar and Metkovic.

I can send you their gedmatch kits if you don't believe me.

https://i.imgur.com/kkj20zc.png

It's fine man why wouldn't we believe you. Son really plots like your typical Serb lol. I can add them on PCA I guess.

[Tschaikisten]

It's fine man why wouldn't we believe you . Son really plots like yout typical Serb lol.

I have emailed him last summer and I was thinking that they are typical Croats, but I doesn't checked their positions on PCA untill today.

Son K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.56
2 North_Atlantic 25.91
3 East_Med 17.95
4 West_Med 15.88
5 West_Asian 7.12
6 Red_Sea 1.77
7 Amerindian 0.81
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Siberian 0.59
10 Oceanian 0.52
11 East_Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.38
2 Romanian 5.41
3 Bulgarian 7.29
4 Moldavian 8.33
5 Hungarian 9.57
6 Croatian 10.05
7 Austrian 12.99
8 East_German 14.47
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.23
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.44
11 South_Polish 16.78
12 Ukrainian 17.47
13 West_German 17.87
14 North_Italian 18.04
15 Tuscan 19.06
16 French 19.07
17 South_Dutch 19.43
18 Polish 20.36
19 Southwest_Russian 20.59
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.1% South_Polish + 34.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.11
2 50.7% West_Sicilian + 49.3% Belorussian @ 2.25
3 52% Tuscan + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 2.41
4 50.3% West_Sicilian + 49.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.46
5 55.4% West_Sicilian + 44.6% Lithuanian @ 2.5
6 64.2% Greek_Thessaly + 35.8% Estonian @ 2.64
7 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.65
8 60.6% Polish + 39.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.66
9 65.3% South_Polish + 34.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.67
10 59.2% South_Polish + 40.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.71
11 64.3% Ukrainian + 35.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.75
12 56.4% Ukrainian + 43.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.76
13 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% South_Polish @ 2.78
14 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Ashkenazi @ 2.79
15 57.5% South_Polish + 42.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.82
16 50.1% Russian_Smolensk + 49.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.85
17 54.7% West_Sicilian + 45.3% Estonian @ 2.87
18 52.6% Tuscan + 47.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.87
19 52.6% Polish + 47.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.93
20 50.5% South_Italian + 49.5% Estonian @ 2.94

Dodecad K12b



# Population Percent
1 North_European 40.32
2 Atlantic_Med 25.87
3 Caucasus 20.61
4 Southwest_Asian 7.15
5 Gedrosia 4.77
6 East_Asian 1.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 8.48
2 Hungarians (Behar) 9.42
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.2
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.85
5 German (Dodecad) 14.89
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.49
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.85
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.83
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.11
10 French (Dodecad) 21.13
11 French (HGDP) 21.41
12 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 22.96
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 23.07
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 23.17
15 English (Dodecad) 23.36
16 Polish (Dodecad) 23.64
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 23.84
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.02
19 Greek (Dodecad) 24.02
20 Tuscan (HGDP) 24.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.18
2 85.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.8% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.18
3 83.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.19
4 82.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.24
5 82.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.38
6 83.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.2% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.42
7 84.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.43
8 80% Hungarians (Behar) + 20% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.48
9 84.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
10 65.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.64
11 63.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.64
12 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.66
13 56.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.71
14 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.73
15 59% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 41% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.77
16 71.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.87
17 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.91
18 80.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.95
19 59% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 41% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.98
20 85.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.99
MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.32
2 Caucasian 33.06
3 European_Early_Farmers 15.9
4 Near_East 5.72
5 South_Central_Asian 3.27
6 Ancestral_Altaic 1.81
7 North_African 1.49
8 Austronesian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.63
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.41
11 African_Pygmy 0.35
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.34
13 Archaic_Human 0.31
14 East_Siberian 0.29
15 Melano_Polynesian 0.24
16 South_Indian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 2.93
2 Serb_BH ( ) 3.04
3 Croat ( ) 3.08
4 Croat_BH ( ) 3.14
5 Montenegrian ( ) 4.23
6 Serb_Serbia ( ) 5.33
7 Macedonian ( ) 5.39
8 Bulgarian ( ) 5.94
9 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 7.76
10 Slovenian ( ) 8.82
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.01
12 Czech ( ) 9.01
13 Romanian ( ) 9.08
14 Hungarian ( ) 9.25
15 Slovak ( ) 9.55
16 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 10.84
17 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.4
18 Greek_Northwest ( ) 11.42
19 Kashub ( ) 11.54
20 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 37% Latvian ( ) @ 0.9
2 60.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 39.2% Balt ( ) @ 1.01
3 64.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 35.9% Estonian ( ) @ 1.04
4 55.9% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 44.1% Russian-West ( ) @ 1.1
5 56.5% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 43.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 1.12
6 88.3% Croat ( ) + 11.7% Iraki ( ) @ 1.12
7 69.7% Slovak ( ) + 30.3% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.2
8 63.5% Slovak ( ) + 36.5% Greek ( ) @ 1.23
9 51.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 48.5% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 1.3
10 57.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 42.4% Russian-North-West ( ) @ 1.32
11 78.4% Hungarian ( ) + 21.6% Druze ( ) @ 1.34
12 58.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 41.4% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 1.35
13 65.6% Kashub ( ) + 34.4% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.35
14 88.9% Serb_BH ( ) + 11.1% Iraki ( ) @ 1.36
15 88.5% Croat ( ) + 11.5% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.38
16 79.2% Slovenian ( ) + 20.8% Druze ( ) @ 1.41
17 53.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 46.6% Russian_South ( ) @ 1.42
18 56.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 43.5% Russian_North ( ) @ 1.43
19 88.8% Serb_BH ( ) + 11.2% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.44
20 76% Macedonian ( ) + 24% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 1.49

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R1a Dalmatians added

http://oi64.tinypic.com/azgu15.jpg

[Ayetooey]

On k13 Croat reference pop East Med is 9.44, son scores 17.95. Thats above the Serbian average of 15.63 even.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

On k13 Croat reference pop East Med is 9.44, son scores 17.95. Thats above the Serbian average of 15.63 even.

Probably Vlach blood.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Want to see where Robocuck plots mates.

[Insuperable]

I have emailed him last summer and I was thinking that they are typical Croats, but I doesn't checked their positions on PCA untill today.

Son K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.56
2 North_Atlantic 25.91
3 East_Med 17.95
4 West_Med 15.88
5 West_Asian 7.12
6 Red_Sea 1.77
7 Amerindian 0.81
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Siberian 0.59
10 Oceanian 0.52
11 East_Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.38
2 Romanian 5.41
3 Bulgarian 7.29
4 Moldavian 8.33
5 Hungarian 9.57
6 Croatian 10.05
7 Austrian 12.99
8 East_German 14.47
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.23
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.44
11 South_Polish 16.78
12 Ukrainian 17.47
13 West_German 17.87
14 North_Italian 18.04
15 Tuscan 19.06
16 French 19.07
17 South_Dutch 19.43
18 Polish 20.36
19 Southwest_Russian 20.59
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.1% South_Polish + 34.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.11
2 50.7% West_Sicilian + 49.3% Belorussian @ 2.25
3 52% Tuscan + 48% Southwest_Russian @ 2.41
4 50.3% West_Sicilian + 49.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.46
5 55.4% West_Sicilian + 44.6% Lithuanian @ 2.5
6 64.2% Greek_Thessaly + 35.8% Estonian @ 2.64
7 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Jewish @ 2.65
8 60.6% Polish + 39.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.66
9 65.3% South_Polish + 34.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.67
10 59.2% South_Polish + 40.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.71
11 64.3% Ukrainian + 35.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.75
12 56.4% Ukrainian + 43.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.76
13 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% South_Polish @ 2.78
14 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Ashkenazi @ 2.79
15 57.5% South_Polish + 42.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.82
16 50.1% Russian_Smolensk + 49.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.85
17 54.7% West_Sicilian + 45.3% Estonian @ 2.87
18 52.6% Tuscan + 47.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.87
19 52.6% Polish + 47.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.93
20 50.5% South_Italian + 49.5% Estonian @ 2.94

Dodecad K12b



# Population Percent
1 North_European 40.32
2 Atlantic_Med 25.87
3 Caucasus 20.61
4 Southwest_Asian 7.15
5 Gedrosia 4.77
6 East_Asian 1.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 8.48
2 Hungarians (Behar) 9.42
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.2
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.85
5 German (Dodecad) 14.89
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.49
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 19.85
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.83
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.11
10 French (Dodecad) 21.13
11 French (HGDP) 21.41
12 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 22.96
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 23.07
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 23.17
15 English (Dodecad) 23.36
16 Polish (Dodecad) 23.64
17 TSI30 (Metspalu) 23.84
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.02
19 Greek (Dodecad) 24.02
20 Tuscan (HGDP) 24.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.8% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.18
2 85.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.8% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.18
3 83.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.19
4 82.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.2% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.24
5 82.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.38
6 83.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.2% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.42
7 84.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.9% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 2.43
8 80% Hungarians (Behar) + 20% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.48
9 84.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.54
10 65.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.64
11 63.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.64
12 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.66
13 56.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.71
14 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.73
15 59% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 41% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.77
16 71.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.87
17 77.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 22.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.91
18 80.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.95
19 59% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 41% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.98
20 85.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.99
MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 35.32
2 Caucasian 33.06
3 European_Early_Farmers 15.9
4 Near_East 5.72
5 South_Central_Asian 3.27
6 Ancestral_Altaic 1.81
7 North_African 1.49
8 Austronesian 0.68
9 Amerindian 0.63
10 Tungus-Altaic 0.41
11 African_Pygmy 0.35
12 Paleo_Siberian 0.34
13 Archaic_Human 0.31
14 East_Siberian 0.29
15 Melano_Polynesian 0.24
16 South_Indian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 2.93
2 Serb_BH ( ) 3.04
3 Croat ( ) 3.08
4 Croat_BH ( ) 3.14
5 Montenegrian ( ) 4.23
6 Serb_Serbia ( ) 5.33
7 Macedonian ( ) 5.39
8 Bulgarian ( ) 5.94
9 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 7.76
10 Slovenian ( ) 8.82
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.01
12 Czech ( ) 9.01
13 Romanian ( ) 9.08
14 Hungarian ( ) 9.25
15 Slovak ( ) 9.55
16 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 10.84
17 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.4
18 Greek_Northwest ( ) 11.42
19 Kashub ( ) 11.54
20 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 37% Latvian ( ) @ 0.9
2 60.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 39.2% Balt ( ) @ 1.01
3 64.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 35.9% Estonian ( ) @ 1.04
4 55.9% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 44.1% Russian-West ( ) @ 1.1
5 56.5% Ukrainian_West ( ) + 43.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) @ 1.12
6 88.3% Croat ( ) + 11.7% Iraki ( ) @ 1.12
7 69.7% Slovak ( ) + 30.3% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.2
8 63.5% Slovak ( ) + 36.5% Greek ( ) @ 1.23
9 51.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 48.5% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 1.3
10 57.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 42.4% Russian-North-West ( ) @ 1.32
11 78.4% Hungarian ( ) + 21.6% Druze ( ) @ 1.34
12 58.6% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 41.4% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 1.35
13 65.6% Kashub ( ) + 34.4% Greek_Islands ( ) @ 1.35
14 88.9% Serb_BH ( ) + 11.1% Iraki ( ) @ 1.36
15 88.5% Croat ( ) + 11.5% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.38
16 79.2% Slovenian ( ) + 20.8% Druze ( ) @ 1.41
17 53.4% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 46.6% Russian_South ( ) @ 1.42
18 56.5% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 43.5% Russian_North ( ) @ 1.43
19 88.8% Serb_BH ( ) + 11.2% Muslim_Arabs_Israel ( ) @ 1.44
20 76% Macedonian ( ) + 24% Russian_Meshtchyora ( ) @ 1.49


What is their's K15?

This girl (U8b) is half from Metkovic (not sure, but I presume not entirely from there) and the other half is from northern B&H. Quite southern shifted. I am also from that region and also southern shifted.
https://i.postimg.cc/wvsKw1ZW/2nv7bqf.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Fuck can't believe there isn't single known Slavonian sample :picard1:

[Tschaikisten]

What is their's K15?



Son


North_Sea 15.17
Atlantic 19.11
Baltic 18.68
Eastern_Euro 11.03
West_Med 11.46
West_Asian 7.29
East_Med 14.16
Red_Sea 1.82
South_Asian 0.24
Southeast_Asian 0.06
Siberian 0.11
Amerindian 0.62
Oceanian 0.23
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dad


North_Sea 13.70
Atlantic 21.18
Baltic 18.88
Eastern_Euro 10.03
West_Med 13.49
West_Asian 6.24
East_Med 12.96
Red_Sea 1.75
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.87
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[CommonSense]

...

[Insuperable]

I found this guy on Eupedia. I thought it is Max_Soldo, but it is not. He is the one marked with red dot. I don't know where he is from.
https://i.postimg.cc/DZpwJTgK/Untitled.png

This one I found on hercegbosna forum. He is Bosnian Croat (from Herzegovina). He didn't post his Eurogenes K15, but I stole his Gedmatch number which was visible from other results he posted. I hope he won't mind. He is the yellow dot. There is a chance he is the one already located on your pca since he is close to another Bosnian Croat.
Population
North_Sea 18.56
Atlantic 17.49
Baltic 16.95
Eastern_Euro 15.89
West_Med 12.49
West_Asian 7.54
East_Med 8.44
Red_Sea 1.82
South_Asian 0.77
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

https://i.postimg.cc/HxHh6xhp/ggg.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Both samples added. You can add anyone yourself, I dobut Jana would mind.
Bih Croat, he's close to another guy but not identical

https://i.imgur.com/powItA7.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

and mate, will you ever change your mind about adding your data ? Another R1b brother would be great addition to the list.

[Pribislav]

Please don't talk bullshits abouts Stears. I say generally.
Jana still reads TA. She told me to draw attention to this because of someone who speak bs about him.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Please don't talk bullshits abouts Stears. I say generally.
Jana still reads TA. She told me to draw attention to this because of someone who speak bs about him.

Noted.

[Pribislav]

Noted.

Did you see results of this Istrian guy? https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=73558531&postcount=4016

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Did you see results of this Istrian guy? https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=73558531&postcount=4016

Yes man, I added him on PCA.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276390-Euregenes-EUtest-V2-K15

[Pribislav]

Yes man, I added him on PCA.

OK, I did not know.

Do you maybe know from where exactly in Istria is he?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

OK, I did not know.

Do you maybe know from where exactly in Istria is he?

No. But maybe western parts, he mentioned Italian grandfather. If you check his Apricity thread, you'll see he is close to some of most northern shifted north-east Italian samples.

[Insuperable]

Gedmatch kits I found on Ajeje Brazorf's thread. They seem to be the ones used for averages on Eurogenes or similar sites. Those in red are Croats from Croatia and others are Croats from B&H.
https://i.postimg.cc/9fC1Jy38/AAA.png


http://oi64.tinypic.com/azgu15.jpg

[Insuperable]

What weird results. One has a lot more North Sea/Atlantic and the other has a lot more of Baltic/Eastern Euro with other being more or less similar which makes them plot far from one another.
https://i.postimg.cc/sxkvKPLv/x.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

9 x I2-din
4 x R1a
3 x R1b
2 x J2

so far

Robocuck is I2a1b and Insuperable R1b. But they are not counted

[Pribislav]

9 x I2-din
4 x R1a
3 x R1b
2 x J2

so far

Robocuck is I2a1b and Insuperable R1b. But they are not counted

Why?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Why?

They are not in PCA. Real statistics is different also.

[Insuperable]

...........

Just for the record I didn't on purpose put this guy among Croatian samples from Croatia.

https://i.postimg.cc/QdPrdrWh/image5.png

He was even used as a reference sample for paper on Balkans genetics. It is written in that paper that tested people had confirmed ancestry 3 generation back.
https://i.postimg.cc/W4rxpqvw/journal-pone-0105090-g002.png

His K15
https://i.postimg.cc/NFGnxNrd/someguy.png
https://i.postimg.cc/BZ87J1BL/aaa.png
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.499585


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.499585


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 5.480496
2 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 5.499585
3 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian @ 5.534846
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 5.662872
5 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 5.799308
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + South_Italian @ 5.849740
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 5.852724
8 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 6.048029
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 6.097955
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.135806
11 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 6.252987
12 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 6.264924
13 Cyprian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 6.284964
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 6.322987
15 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Moldavian @ 6.349409
16 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian @ 6.351641
17 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 6.358063
18 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.365615
19 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian @ 6.380464
20 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Hungarian + South_Italian @ 6.400503

Can you explain this? He was first used for that classic autosomal european study. It is as if Croatian samples turned out too northern (would you kick that out guy than the average Croatian sample from Croatia would be even more northern) and they 'tweaked' it a bit. Or maybe not. Maybe he is Janjevac, Arbanas or maybe the 12th century Vlachs decided to come down from the mountains like yesterday.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He could be a Morlach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlachs

[Leto]

Fuck can't believe there isn't single known Slavonian sample :picard1:
I have found one in my GED lists. Will send it to you.

[Pribislav]

I have found one in my GED lists. Will send it to you.

Can you put here.

I also never seen any Slavonian Croatian result.

[Leto]

Can you put here.

I also never seen any Slavonian Croatian result.
Nato will post it. First he'll have to clarify whether it's a Serb or Croat. I listed the names of her parents and grandparents.

[Pribislav]

Nato will post it. First he'll have to clarify whether it's a Serb or Croat. I listed the names of her parents and grandparents.

Write names of some ancestors of that person if you know. According to names I could know nationality.
Slavonia had significant Serbian population before Yugo war in 1990s.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Slavonian sample added thanks to Leto. It's a Croat for sure looking at names in her family.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/wivf6f.jpg

[Pribislav]

Slavonian sample added thanks to Leto. It's a Croat for sure looking at names in her family.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/wivf6f.jpg

Can you post her K15 and Dodecad K12b here?

[Leto]

Slavonian sample added thanks to Leto. It's a Croat for sure looking at names in her family.

Post some calculator results for Pribislav. Actually her half German son's are also interesting, he plots around Hungary.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Write names of some ancestors of that person if you know. According to names I could know nationality.
Slavonia had significant Serbian population before Yugo war in 1990s.

Family names of the woman look to be originally Dalmatian, but she's from very rural place so probably living in Slavonia for few generations already.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Post some calculator results for Pribislav. Actually her half German son's are also interesting, he plots around Hungary.

Eurogenes K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.91
2 North_Sea 17.01
3 Atlantic 16.84
4 Eastern_Euro 14.39
5 West_Med 12.62
6 East_Med 8.55
7 West_Asian 7.04
8 Red_Sea 3.09
9 Oceanian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 4.58
2 Moldavian 4.6
3 Serbian 5.83
4 Hungarian 7.34
5 Austrian 7.66
6 Romanian 7.97
7 Bulgarian 10.13
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.01
9 East_German 11.09
10 South_Polish 11.23
11 Ukrainian 11.78
12 Polish 13.64
13 Russian_Smolensk 14.21
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.68
15 Southwest_Russian 15.17
16 Estonian_Polish 16.35
17 Belorussian 16.52
18 Southwest_Finnish 17.36
19 South_Dutch 17.45
20 Greek_Thessaly 17.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.6% Croatian + 11.4% Italian_Jewish @ 2.26
2 83.4% Croatian + 16.6% Tuscan @ 2.27
3 89% Croatian + 11% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.28
4 85.8% Croatian + 14.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.29
5 86.1% Croatian + 13.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.3
6 85.6% Croatian + 14.4% Ashkenazi @ 2.35
7 88.9% Croatian + 11.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.35
8 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Central_Greek @ 2.38
9 81.8% Croatian + 18.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.4
10 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Greek @ 2.44
11 87.6% Croatian + 12.4% South_Italian @ 2.45
12 85.4% Croatian + 14.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.45
13 90.3% Croatian + 9.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.51
14 90.2% Croatian + 9.8% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.52
15 56% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 44% North_Italian @ 2.54
16 58.1% Croatian + 41.9% Serbian @ 2.65
17 91% Croatian + 9% Cyprian @ 2.66
18 72.4% Croatian + 27.6% Bulgarian @ 2.67
19 86.9% Moldavian + 13.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.69
20 67% Croatian + 33% Romanian @ 2.7


K13


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 26.09
3 West_Med 16.76
4 East_Med 12.16
5 West_Asian 8.18
6 Red_Sea 3.13
7 Oceanian 1.02
8 Siberian 0.77
9 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.01
2 Serbian 5.37
3 Croatian 5.44
4 Hungarian 7.27
5 Romanian 8.94
6 Austrian 10.79
7 Bulgarian 11.04
8 East_German 11.58
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.74
10 South_Polish 12.64
11 Ukrainian 13.16
12 Polish 16.01
13 Southwest_Russian 16.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.11
15 West_German 17.57
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.2
17 Estonian_Polish 18.72
18 South_Dutch 18.87
19 Belorussian 19.33
20 Greek_Thessaly 19.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.5% Tuscan @ 1.96
2 84.2% Croatian + 15.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.09
3 69.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.1
4 82.1% Croatian + 17.9% Tuscan @ 2.14
5 84.8% Croatian + 15.2% East_Sicilian @ 2.26
6 86.2% Croatian + 13.8% South_Italian @ 2.3
7 84.3% Croatian + 15.7% Central_Greek @ 2.31
8 83.8% Croatian + 16.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.32
9 79.7% Croatian + 20.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.32
10 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.32
11 88% Croatian + 12% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.33
12 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.34
13 50.4% Serbian + 49.6% Croatian @ 2.41
14 64% Croatian + 36% Romanian @ 2.48
15 56% Russian_Smolensk + 44% Tuscan @ 2.51
16 89% Croatian + 11% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.51
17 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.54
18 69.2% Croatian + 30.8% Bulgarian @ 2.58
19 89.2% Croatian + 10.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.58
20 63.9% Ukrainian + 36.1% Tuscan @ 2.59


Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.98
2 Atlantic_Med 26.89
3 Caucasus 21.35
4 Southwest_Asian 4.76
5 Gedrosia 3.47
6 Siberian 0.91
7 Southeast_Asian 0.52
8 East_Asian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.68
2 Romanians (Behar) 8.82
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.89
5 German (Dodecad) 13.84
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.92
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.17
8 French (Dodecad) 20.91
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 20.94
10 French (HGDP) 21.14
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.62
12 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.67
13 Polish (Dodecad) 22.21
14 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.5
15 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.56
16 English (Dodecad) 22.76
17 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.74
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 23.75
19 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24
20 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 23.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.9
2 68.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 31.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.07
3 51.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 48.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.09
4 50.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 49.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.17
5 52.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.5% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.24
6 51.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 48.1% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.29
7 80.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 1.39
8 52.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.41
9 85.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.42
10 81% Hungarians (Behar) + 19% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 1.48
11 69% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 31% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.51
12 53.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 46.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.51
13 73.2% Romanians (Behar) + 26.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.57
14 57% Tuscan (HGDP) + 43% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.62
15 58.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 41.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
16 53.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 46.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.64
17 51.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.65
18 53.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.4% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.67
19 63.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 36.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.7
20 56.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.71


She's fairly usual with exception her red sea score is little high.

Interesting that her half German son would plot inside Croatian cluster, exactly on Austrian box, close to some full northwest Croats.

[willbaska]

My aunt is 100% Slovene from Osilnica region, I have the data if that could be of any help.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

My aunt is 100% Slovene from Osilnica region, I have the data if that could be of any help.

Make a thread about her results, I'm very interested to see them.

[willbaska]

Will do.

[willbaska]

I have found a distant cousin who says full Croatian from Rijeka. We are 4th cousins through DNA which means he or me has to overlap Slovenian/Croatian. His X coordinate is 489, his Y is 201

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I have found a distant cousin who says full Croatian from Rijeka. We are 4th cousins through DNA which means he or me has to overlap Slovenian/Croatian. His X coordinate is 489, his Y is 201

That's great, thanks. First sample from Primorje. Do you know his Y dna ?

[willbaska]

That's great, thanks. First sample from Primorje. Do you know his Y dna ?

Sadly I do not, but I shot him an email asking, this really fascinates me.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Sadly I do not, but I shot him an email asking, this really fascinates me.

Out of curiosity, where do you plot ? Rijeka sample added (pink)

http://oi64.tinypic.com/k69fm.jpg

[willbaska]

My X is 417 my Y 184 from what I always knew I was half Polish half Slovene but more research concluded there was most likely some Germanic DNA through my Slovenian mother side. My father is from Podkarpackie Poland and I haven't studied his DNA as thoroughly as my mothers. My father is from Tarnobrzeg my mother is originally from a tiny village in Slovenia called Zgornji Čačič but as she grew older moved to Kočevje. Both of my parents immigrated to the United States as teens from communist countries and met in the US and had me (Sorry for the life story) anyway my plotting will end up more western than I ever thought.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

My X is 417 my Y 184 from what I always knew I was half Polish half Slovene but more research concluded there was most likely some Germanic DNA through my Slovenian mother side. My father is from Podkarpackie Poland and I haven't studied his DNA as thoroughly as my mothers. My father is from Tarnobrzeg my mother is originally from a tiny village in Slovenia called Zgornji Čačič but as she grew older moved to Kočevje. Both of my parents immigrated to the United States as teens from communist countries and met in the US and had me (Sorry for the life story) anyway my plotting will end up more western than I ever thought.

Area of Slovenia your mother is from was historically heavy German influenced. You plot like native Austrian, or full Slovenian, more southern than some NW Croats.

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2igipht.jpg
Very suprising for half Pole.

[willbaska]

Area of Slovenia your mother is from was historically heavy German influenced. You plot like native Austrian, or full Slovenian, more southern than some NW Croats.

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2igipht.jpg
Very suprising for half Pole.

Well, I feel like my Polish side dragged my plot back east almost. I think my mom would plot like my aunt we showed in the Slovene forum. The one thing that confuses me is that my father wasn't just a pole, he was way eastern. The closest major city to his family would be Lviv. His mother was from Jaroslaw. This would make me think that there would have to be some East Slavic DNA that would bring me back east. I won't even try discussing it with him as my parents hate talking about their lives in Europe. They try to be americanized as possible. I am quite the opposite and hopefully in some years I will be living there. (Oh and there is know possibility my father isn't my biological father, I have used my DNA test to confirm relatives with paternal family)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I was able to find more Croatian kits trough my DNA relatives. Interesting how I match people all over Croatia not just north.

I'll add them to PCA later.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Leto]

23% and 14% Baltic is a significant difference. Can you post their Dod K12b as well? No oracles as they're mostly useless, just the admixture proportions.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

23% and 14% Baltic is a significant difference. Can you post their Dod K12b as well? No oracles as they're mostly useless, just the admixture proportions.

Perhaps later bro, I'm busy at them moment. Here's updated PCA

http://i64.tinypic.com/ngovmw.jpg

Zoomed in:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/6yfext.jpg

[Peterski]

I noticed that some ethnically Polish Upper Silesians plot very close to Croats.

Could it be that this is "White Croat genetics" before they moved to the South?:

https://i.imgur.com/ZvMEbeu.png

[Peterski]

^^^ Didn't the White Croats originally come from South-Western Poland?

Maybe you are not that much mixed with Illyrians etc. if your ancestors back in South Poland already plotted like that.

[Leto]

Where is Suwalki? That sample is super Baltic.

[Peterski]

Where is Suwalki? That sample is super Baltic.

Yeah, but they are ethnic Poles with Polish surnames and names.

It is located in North-Eastern Poland (in ancient Sudovia region):

https://i.imgur.com/T9eieNw.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

^^^ Didn't the White Croats originally come from South-Western Poland?

Maybe you are not that much mixed with Illyrians etc. if your ancestors back in South Poland already plotted like that.

interactive map : https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/White_Croats/7Dg4lkWLKr

This is a map of the area considered to be, approximately, either in historical sources or in scientific works, as they were under the control of the White Croats (from the east to the west, the Carpathian, Polish, Czech)
they were not necessarily connected or existing at same time.

Red color is marked by the boundaries of the area where White Croats lived. I did not intentionally associate areas because I wanted to separate them as separate areas to the state (Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic) and it is easy to estimate where to connect, especially at the Ukraine-Poland border. According to a relatively general opinion of historians and archaeologists (Sedov 1995, Budak 2018), Croats migrated from the east to the west and thus originally lived in the area of ​​western Ukraine, more precisely the region of Prikarpati and Zakarpati whose borders were attributed to them and were taken as their boundaries. Here I also marked the couple of burial sites mentioned by Korcinski (2000, 2006) and Magocsi (2002), such as Stiljsko, Zhydachiv, Halych, Krylos, Uzhhorod. Towards the east, the Terebovya fortress in the Podolia region is slashed, and to the west it is dotted with the toponym Chorvaty in Slovakia (the earliest mention of the 13th century). In the area of ​​Little Poland, the eastern point is marked by the Przemysl fortress, and the boundaries are based on a detailed description of Kupchyns'kyĭ (from Prikarpati, cited by Korcinski 2006). Towards the west is a mapped toponym Charvaty in Moravia (the earliest mention of the 13th century). In the Czech Republic, the borders around the Elbe River's upper course are almost identical (I'm only insecure around the "V" letters) to those found on pages 429 and 436 of the book Sedova (1995), and there are also Libic. Towards the west, the toponyms of Großkorbet and Corbet (the earliest mention of the 9th-10th century) are dotted west of Leipzig in Germany. Let's mention also the 10th century Arab writers who recorded the country-town "Hurdab / ʒ (h) -rāwat" at the Prut River where the rulers are observing, hardly imagine Stiljski because it was incredible dimensions (250 ha, 15 hectares), but also that Moravian Svatopluk lives in the city "ʒ-r-wāb (Džervab> Hrwat), indicating that the White Croats had at least two very important capital cities. Archaeologists claim that White Croats (Carpathian and Czech) had the most advanced fortification technology, and in burial, in addition to the usual methods, they raised curbs and plates. They had to be a large number of tribes because they waged war with the Avar (North and South), the Hungarians, the Pechengs, the Franks, to end up being politically assimilated by the Russian Russians, Czechs and Poles.

Interesting some cranial data

Blue skulls are the skeleton / skull point points explored by craniometric methods. References include the works of M. Šlaus, "Craniometric Relations of Medieval Central European Populations: Implications for Croat Ethnomenesis" (1998) and "Craniometric Analysis of Middle Eastern Locations of Central Europe: New Evidence on the Expansion of Croatian Populations during the 10th to 13th Centuries" ( 2000). According to Slauso, old Croatian sites from Dalmatia (Nin, Danilo, Mravince, Bribir) and two (Bugojno and Gomjanica) from Bosnia and Herzegovina belong to a cluster with three sites (Cedynia, Wišlica, Lednicki) from Poland, of which Nin and Cedynia are according to parameters almost identical. However, I take Lednicki as the starting point for migration because it is the southernmost polar location and in another work on p. 279-280 Šlaus mentions a direct migration route through the Nitra-Lupka sites -> Zalaszabar-Dezsosziget -> Nin-Ždrijac, which seeks answers to the historical, geographical and geographical reasons for this and not some west (or eastern) migration path ? Was migration possible in this area, ie did the Cypriot population live in this area? As you can see, according to these patterns, Šlaus assumes that the population from the narrow coastal corridors spreads to the north, first in BiH, and then in Zagorje and Slavonia, however, the initially Avar-Slavic population of Zagorje and Slavonia is not a Polish-old Croatian cluster.

Dude from forum.hr made all that, I guess he is historian. He's on PCA also. Good thing that he referrenced all the sources he used.

[Leto]

White Croats sounds badass. Were there any Black Croats? It's like Belarus/Belorussia which means White Russia, lol (obviously not in the sense of skin color).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

White Croats sounds badass. Were there any Black Croats? It's like Belarus/Belorussia which means White Russia, lol (obviously not in the sense of skin color).

i think colors were used to describe cardinal direction or something.

It is considered that in the 10th century there were only remnants of the Croats, scattered in the West in Bohemia, and another in the East in Poland, Ukraine and Slovakia.[8] This theory would abide by the tradition of using colours for cardinal directions.[21] According to the thesis, L. V. Vojtovič argued that alleged Great Croatia from the 6th century did not exist anymore in the 10th century, and in the Western part of its territory was formed White Croatia.[22]

probably White Russia / Belarusia means Western Russia :D

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

according to Cronicle of Priest of Dioclea Red Croatia was formed in modern day Montenegro and North Albania (probably means south Croatia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Croatia

Svatopluk, King of Dalmatia... on Duvno field was crowned and his kingdom of Dalmatia is spread out into 4 regions: From the field called Duvno (Tomislavgrad), to Istra is called White Croatia... and from that field to Drač (Durrës in Albania) is called Red Croatia; and the mountainous side from the river Drina to Macedonia is called Rascia, and to that river to here is called Bosnia. The whole sea coast is called Dalmatia and its mountains are Croatia...

Looks like after Slavic migration White Croatia didn't mean original one in east central europe but later Kingdom of Croatia while Red Croatia, if existed, was south from there.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on medieval cronicles. they are often contradictory and unreliable.

[Mingle]

I noticed that some ethnically Polish Upper Silesians plot very close to Croats.

Could it be that this is "White Croat genetics" before they moved to the South?:

https://i.imgur.com/ZvMEbeu.pngHow come Upper Silesians plot significantly south of Czechs and Slovaks despite being geographically north of them? And why are they so distant to other Poles?

[willbaska]

I noticed that some ethnically Polish Upper Silesians plot very close to Croats.

Could it be that this is "White Croat genetics" before they moved to the South?:

https://i.imgur.com/ZvMEbeu.png

You should make a forum for Poles, I have some data, mostly from Podkarpackie

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Updated, wife of Anđelko (Anthrogenica guy) was added. She's fully from Zagorje, NW Croatia

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2qbtbb4.jpg

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I found this guy on Eupedia. I thought it is Max_Soldo, but it is not. He is the one marked with red dot. I don't know where he is from.
https://i.postimg.cc/DZpwJTgK/Untitled.png

I looked trough this guy posts on Eupedia, he said he's from Central Croatia but not specifically from where. Just sent him message to ask where exactly he is from.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Updated

https://i.imgur.com/ZM0g2mk.png

[CommonSense]

Lika Croat (surname: Hećimović):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.2
2 Baltic 18.89
3 Eastern_Euro 18.09
4 Atlantic 13.46
5 East_Med 10.22
6 West_Med 10.03
7 West_Asian 8.9
8 South_Asian 0.17
9 Red_Sea 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.75
2 Croatian 6.98
3 Serbian 7.37
4 Hungarian 7.73
5 Romanian 9.84
6 Austrian 10.03
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.74
8 Ukrainian 11.04
9 South_Polish 11.08
10 East_German 12.13
11 Bulgarian 12.29
12 Polish 13.61
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.63
14 Southwest_Russian 14.14
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.39
16 Kargopol_Russian 16.12
17 Estonian_Polish 16.44
18 Belorussian 16.44
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.59
20 Finnish 16.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Serbian + 26.3% Erzya @ 3.98
2 75.6% Moldavian + 24.4% Serbian @ 4.34
3 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.41
4 69.6% Serbian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.49
5 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.52
6 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.54
7 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Tabassaran @ 4.59
8 63.5% Serbian + 36.5% Ukrainian @ 4.59
9 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.6
10 97.3% Moldavian + 2.7% Assyrian @ 4.61
11 97.5% Moldavian + 2.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.61
12 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% West_German @ 4.62
13 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Armenian @ 4.62
14 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% North_Swedish @ 4.62
15 97% Moldavian + 3% Lezgin @ 4.62
16 97.5% Moldavian + 2.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.63
17 97.6% Moldavian + 2.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.63
18 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Kurdish @ 4.63
19 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.63
20 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Danish @ 4.63

https://i.imgur.com/HLzotXm.png

[HungryLion]

Lika Croat (surname: Hećimović):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.2
2 Baltic 18.89
3 Eastern_Euro 18.09
4 Atlantic 13.46
5 East_Med 10.22
6 West_Med 10.03
7 West_Asian 8.9
8 South_Asian 0.17
9 Red_Sea 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.75
2 Croatian 6.98
3 Serbian 7.37
4 Hungarian 7.73
5 Romanian 9.84
6 Austrian 10.03
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.74
8 Ukrainian 11.04
9 South_Polish 11.08
10 East_German 12.13
11 Bulgarian 12.29
12 Polish 13.61
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.63
14 Southwest_Russian 14.14
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.39
16 Kargopol_Russian 16.12
17 Estonian_Polish 16.44
18 Belorussian 16.44
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.59
20 Finnish 16.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Serbian + 26.3% Erzya @ 3.98
2 75.6% Moldavian + 24.4% Serbian @ 4.34
3 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.41
4 69.6% Serbian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.49
5 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.52
6 72.7% Serbian + 27.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.54
7 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Tabassaran @ 4.59
8 63.5% Serbian + 36.5% Ukrainian @ 4.59
9 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.6
10 97.3% Moldavian + 2.7% Assyrian @ 4.61
11 97.5% Moldavian + 2.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.61
12 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% West_German @ 4.62
13 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Armenian @ 4.62
14 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% North_Swedish @ 4.62
15 97% Moldavian + 3% Lezgin @ 4.62
16 97.5% Moldavian + 2.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.63
17 97.6% Moldavian + 2.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.63
18 97.4% Moldavian + 2.6% Kurdish @ 4.63
19 95.8% Moldavian + 4.2% West_Norwegian @ 4.63
20 95.5% Moldavian + 4.5% Danish @ 4.63

https://i.imgur.com/HLzotXm.png

Close to Serb's from Krajina..just little more estern

[HungryLion]

Vidim da Hrvati iz tih krajeva imaju tendenciju da budu istočno orijentisani, 2 Hrvata iz Like, 1 sa Banije, svi su dosts istočno, dok su Srbi uglavnom zapadno, čak zapadnije od Hr proseka? Ima li neko objašnjenja?

[Adam Janossy]

Close to Serb's from Krajina..just little more estern

Minorities from host country are usually close to host country population because of mixing. Croatian Serbs are close to Croats, not the opoosite. :)

[HungryLion]

Minorities from host country are usually close to host country population because of mixing. Croatian Serbs are close to Croats, not the opoosite. :)

I'm not sure it's for mixing..At that historic moment, I'm not sure that anyone was a host, because of the migration of both..Anyway, it's interesting that the Croats more estern shiftedt and the Serbs west, is there any logical explanation why?Maybe it's a small sample...

[Ayetooey]

I'm not sure it's for mixing..At that historic moment, I'm not sure that anyone was a host, because of the migration of both..Anyway, it's interesting that the Croats more estern shiftedt and the Serbs west, is there any logical explanation why?Maybe it's a small sample...

From results I've seen so far Krajina Serbs don't really plot close to Croats tbh; I think it's a bit of a myth actually, though one I used to believe for a long time I will be testing my father soon who is 100% Knin Serb since the 16th/17th centuries; I'd be surprised if he shifts towards Croats.

[HungryLion]

From results I've seen so far Krajina Serbs don't really plot close to Croats tbh; I think it's a bit of a myth actually, though one I used to believe for a long time I will be testing my father soon who is 100% Knin Serb since the 16th/17th centuries; I'd be surprised if he shifts towards Croats.

I was thinking about Croats from Krajina, not from other parts of Croatia..I saw 2 Croats from lika and one from Banija, they are closse to Serbs from this region just more estern shifted...So I am courious why they plot so estern?

[Ayetooey]

I was thinking about Croats from Krajina, not from other parts of Croatia..I saw 2 Croats from lika and one from Banija, they are closse to Serbs from this region just more estern shifted...So I am courious why they plot so estern?

Croats from inland Lika/Dalmatian hinterland mainly have post ottoman BIH origins the same with Krajina Serbs so they won't be a million miles apart. The eastern shift is more baltic/slav on their behalf. Look at the mixed mode.

3 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.41
4 69.6% Serbian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.49

[HungryLion]

Croats from inland Lika/Dalmatian hinterland mainly have post ottoman BIH origins the same with Krajina Serbs so they won't be a million miles apart. The eastern shift is more baltic/slav on their behalf. Look at the mixed mode.

3 68.6% Serbian + 31.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.41
4 69.6% Serbian + 30.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.49

then the Serbs have more German influence? Because they are equally north-oriented

[Bosniensis]

How many Vlachs and Serbs are there among those Croats on PCA

[Ayetooey]

then the Serbs have more German influence? Because they are equally north-oriented

I haven't seen enough results to come to a conclusion, but most Krajina Serbs I've seen so far weren't that north as that Lika Croat. On commonsense Pca most were on the Serbian dot, or slightly north of it. Example of a Dalmatian Serb from my relative list. Green dot is Dalmatian, Black dot is from Glamoc.

https://i.imgur.com/4JKBw8G.jpg

[CommonSense]

I was thinking about Croats from Krajina, not from other parts of Croatia..I saw 2 Croats from lika and one from Banija, they are closse to Serbs from this region just more estern shifted...So I am courious why they plot so estern?

They aren't really close to Lika Serbs from what I can see and the Serbian western shift is just due to having more native DNA:

https://i.imgur.com/b7Av1to.png

Central Euro Slavs like Slovenes and Czechs are also western shifted compared to Croats, but that's due to their partial Germanic ancestry.

[HungryLion]

They aren't really close to Lika Serbs from what I can see and the Serbian western shift is just due to having more native DNA:

https://i.imgur.com/b7Av1to.png

Central Euro Slavs like Slovenes and Czechs are also western shifted compared to Croats, but that's due to their partial Germanic ancestry.

They are closse to Dušan and Dick? Idk for rest..
Also you have other Banija Serb sample which is north western shifted, and Croats from Petrinja( I think) is way more estern? Idk way?

[Peterski]

Nice but what if they are not real people but just invented results?: :)

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com

Because their kit numbers are unknown.

[HungryLion]

I haven't seen enough results to come to a conclusion, but most Krajina Serbs I've seen so far weren't that north as that Lika Croat. On commonsense Pca most were on the Serbian dot, or slightly north of it. Example of a Dalmatian Serb from my relative list. Green dot is Dalmatian, Black dot is from Glamoc.

https://i.imgur.com/4JKBw8G.jpg

There seems to be differences in the cluster itself, which is normal..The examples that I saw were somewhat more northern :)

[HungryLion]

Nice but what if they are not real people but just invented results?: :)

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com

Because their kit numbers are unknown.

How is that possible ? :)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Nice but what if they are not real people but just invented results?: :)

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com

Because their kit numbers are unknown.

Very intelligent post.

[RenaRyuguu]

https://mirrorfragments.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/lori-singer-10.jpg

bump

[RenaRyuguu]

I wouldn't know, but I guess she prefers to read the forum without posting. On Croatian forums she does post very often.

lmao

[willbaska]

Bump

[ph2ter]

Former Yugoslavia CA K15 plot:

http://i63.tinypic.com/zin4gh.png

[Ford]

Former Yugoslavia CA K15 plot:

http://i63.tinypic.com/zin4gh.png

Could you add these results for me? It's my results after merging all my raw datas (from 3 sources).


Population
North_Sea 19.65 Pct
Atlantic 14.11 Pct
Baltic 21.42 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.87 Pct
West_Med 13.32 Pct
West_Asian 5.83 Pct
East_Med 11.83 Pct
Red_Sea 0.17 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.82 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[ph2ter]

Could you add these results for me? It's my results after merging all my raw datas (from 3 sources).


Population
North_Sea 19.65 Pct
Atlantic 14.11 Pct
Baltic 21.42 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.87 Pct
West_Med 13.32 Pct
West_Asian 5.83 Pct
East_Med 11.83 Pct
Red_Sea 0.17 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 0.82 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

And you are a Serb from Bosnia or Serbia?

[Ford]

And you are a Serb from Bosnia or Serbia?

Bosnia.

[ph2ter]

Bosnia.

You are near Branimir. Very strange for a Belorusian :)

http://i65.tinypic.com/24zdfug.png

[Ford]

You are near Branimir. Very strange for a Belorusian :)

:bow00001: