Eurogenes K13 PCA for Apricity users

[J. Ketch]

Just added a few national averages from the Eurogenes spreadsheet to give the PCA shape; copy and paste your values (not from the Oracle) if you want to be added. The PCA will develop and become more correct and detailed as more people are added.

https://i.postimg.cc/90KsDK81/K13a.png

I could do this for another calculator too if people would like.

[karakartal]

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Thanks

[J. Ketch]

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG_scaled,0.117238,0.108662,0.003017,-0.016473,0.004308,-0.011713,0.004935,0.002308,-0.008181,0.00492,-0.000487,0.002997,0.004311,0.000413,-0.009365,0.013657,0.02021,0,-0.001383,0.003877,-0.010606,0.000742,0.001602,-0.001446,0.001676

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
TG,0.0103,0.0107,0.0008,-0.0051,0.0014,-0.0042,0.0021,0.001,-0.004,0.0027,-0.0003,0.002,0.0029,0.0003,-0.0069,0.0103,0.0155,0,-0.0011,0.0031,-0.0085,0.0006,0.0013,-0.0012,0.0014

Thanks
This is just K13 from Gedmatch, not Global25.

[karakartal]

This is just K13 from Gedmatch, not Global25.

Sorry mate.

Population
North_Atlantic 15.53
Baltic 15.92
West_Med 15.36
West_Asian 17.97
East_Med 23.45
Red_Sea 4.04
South_Asian 1.20
East_Asian 0.82
Siberian 4.08
Amerindian 0.44
Oceanian 1.20
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Thanks

[Helen]

Population
North_Atlantic 37.18
Baltic 9.90
West_Med 28.17
West_Asian 4.72
East_Med 13.63
Red_Sea 3.11
South_Asian 0.64
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.76
Northeast_African 1.85
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

https://i.postimg.cc/y8zfzzJ9/k13b.png

[Kaspias]

Population
North_Atlantic 15.26
Baltic 19.39
West_Med 12.50
West_Asian 15.84
East_Med 22.68
Red_Sea 1.79
South_Asian 1.76
East_Asian 1.71
Siberian 6.86
Amerindian 0.80
Oceanian 0.50
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.91


Thank you.

[Kaspias]

Deniz

Population
North_Atlantic 17.96
Baltic 24.00
West_Med 13.09
West_Asian 15.85
East_Med 20.15
Red_Sea 2.49
South_Asian 0.51
East_Asian -
Siberian 4.66
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.29
Sub-Saharan -


Deniz's Father

Population
North_Atlantic 14.22
Baltic 25.08
West_Med 14.69
West_Asian 16.55
East_Med 20.91
Red_Sea 1.36
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 5.15
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.83
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.20


Deniz's Mother

Population
North_Atlantic 20.45
Baltic 22.68
West_Med 13.98
West_Asian 14.70
East_Med 16.89
Red_Sea 3.43
South_Asian 0.77
East_Asian 2.68
Siberian 2.91
Amerindian 0.51
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.00
Sub-Saharan -


Deniz's Grandfather

Population
North_Atlantic 21.22
Baltic 22.84
West_Med 14.09
West_Asian 12.95
East_Med 19.33
Red_Sea 1.04
South_Asian 2.25
East_Asian 2.56
Siberian 2.24
Amerindian 0.25
Oceanian 0.13
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.09


Thank you again!

[xripkan]

Population
North_Atlantic 17.76 Pct
Baltic 16.46 Pct
West_Med 19.83 Pct
West_Asian 13.60 Pct
East_Med 27.25 Pct
Red_Sea 2.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.57 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.00 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[kaltar]

you should add more averages otherwise the PCA does not work well and the position of users is only fictitious

https://i.imgur.com/uhpgcjh.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Could you plot me. Thanks.

Population
North_Atlantic 51.79
Baltic 25.50
West_Med 10.04
West_Asian 7.38
East_Med 1.64
Red_Sea 1.41
South_Asian 0.05
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.89
Amerindian 1.14
Oceanian 0.16
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Token]

North_Atlantic 45.65
Baltic 28.18
West_Med 10.5
West_Asian 5.41
South_Asian 3.2
Red_Sea 3.15
East_Med 3.03
East_Asian 0.56
Siberian 0.31

[Norka]

Hey. Could you plot me thanks

Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.94
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Siberian 8.17
4 West_Med 7.82
5 West_Asian 7.56
6 East_Med 4.49
7 East_Asian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.86
10 Red_Sea 0.4
11 Northeast_African 0.22

[Impaler]

North_Atlantic 45.65
Baltic 28.18
West_Med 10.5
West_Asian 5.41
South_Asian 3.2
Red_Sea 3.15
East_Med 3.03
East_Asian 0.56
Siberian 0.31

3.2 South Asian? Definitely the South Asian here is not only an Indian component.

[Impaler]

North_Atlantic 23.34
East_Med 21.55
Baltic 17.78
West_Med 13.31
West_Asian 12.51
South_Asian 5.91
Siberian 1.72
Red_Sea 1.59
Sub-Saharan 1.29
East_Asian 1

[J. Ketch]

Latest
https://i.postimg.cc/XNCH7LwW/k13c.png

If your dot is coloured I consider you of one ethnicity and will use you as a reference for it.

[J. Ketch]

North_Atlantic 45.65
Baltic 28.18
West_Med 10.5
West_Asian 5.41
South_Asian 3.2
Red_Sea 3.15
East_Med 3.03
East_Asian 0.56
Siberian 0.31


Hey. Could you plot me thanks

Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.94
2 North_Atlantic 22.74
3 Siberian 8.17
4 West_Med 7.82
5 West_Asian 7.56
6 East_Med 4.49
7 East_Asian 0.9
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Oceanian 0.86
10 Red_Sea 0.4
11 Northeast_African 0.22


North_Atlantic 23.34
East_Med 21.55
Baltic 17.78
West_Med 13.31
West_Asian 12.51
South_Asian 5.91
Siberian 1.72
Red_Sea 1.59
Sub-Saharan 1.29
East_Asian 1
Unsorted please, like I said.

I assume the values you're not giving are 0s.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

North_Atlantic 30.76
Baltic 31.67
West_Med 13.45
West_Asian 11.30
East_Med 9.21
Red_Sea 1.37
South_Asian 0.14
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.37
Oceanian 0.44
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.25

[Impaler]

Unsorted please, like I said.

I assume the values you're not giving are 0s.

Yes, the rest are 0. I didn't sort.

[visar]

Population
North_Atlantic 27.71
Baltic 46.87
West_Med 12.54
West_Asian 8.06
East_Med 1.74
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.24
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.35
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.50

[Token]

3.2 South Asian? Definitely the South Asian here is not only an Indian component.

Yeah, weird. There were no South Asians in Germany AFAIK.

[CommonSense]

Here you go:


Population
North_Atlantic 24.67
Baltic 28.68
West_Med 17.62
West_Asian 11.85
East_Med 13.95
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.51
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.29
Amerindian 0.57
Oceanian 0.87
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Dick]

North_Atlantic 27.06 Pct
Baltic 32.10 Pct
West_Med 11.57 Pct
West_Asian 6.98 Pct
East_Med 18.62 Pct
Red_Sea 2.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.60 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

Latest

https://i.postimg.cc/RZG5LmV4/k13d.png

[Gründig]

Edit.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

damn Token are you from Schleswig-Holstein mate ? You plot with Scandinavians basically.

[J. Ketch]

Added a few more and the plot flipped orientation.
https://i.postimg.cc/m28dgyL2/K13E.png

lol at Token N.ger, he's very North shifted ;)

[Mingle]

North_Atlantic 10.42
Baltic 7.98
West_Med -
West_Asian 38.69
East_Med 7.05
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 31.71
East_Asian 1.02
Siberian 1.51
Amerindian 0.27
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.33

[Leto]

Add me please

Population
North_Atlantic 25.91 Pct
Baltic 45.83 Pct
West_Med 7.12 Pct
West_Asian 5.90 Pct
East_Med 4.37 Pct
Red_Sea 2.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.55 Pct
East_Asian 0.56 Pct
Siberian 4.96 Pct
Amerindian 2.04 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Leto]

Yeah, weird. There were no South Asians in Germany AFAIK.
Which company did you test with? 3% Red Sea and 3% South Asian is kind of strange for a German.

[Leto]

I could do this for another calculator too if people would like.
Can you please finish the EUtest PCA? F-cking Ibericus dropped it and even ignored my message in which I personally asked him to add my family. Don't know why
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217567-EUtest-PCA-with-users&p=5741145#post5741145

[Impaler]

Added a few more and the plot flipped orientation.
https://i.postimg.cc/m28dgyL2/K13E.png

lol at Token N.ger, he's very North shifted ;)

Am I close to Bulgarians? Or Balkan Turks?

[Token]

damn Token are you from Schleswig-Holstein mate ? You plot with Scandinavians basically.

From Lower Saxony, second generation in Brazil.

[kaltar]

Am I close to Bulgarians? Or Balkan Turks?

Bulgarians

[Deniz]

Norka is cold.:)
Impaler >You re close to Southern Romanians,Bulgarians and Bulgarian Turks.

[Vid Flumina]

Am I close to Bulgarians? Or Balkan Turks?

PCA totally ignoring your Asian components, it's useless for mixed people like Finns, Iberians (except Basque), Turks etc.

You need a global one where all components are properly weighed:

https://i.imgur.com/FX9kiPb.png

[Impaler]

PCA totally ignoring your Asian components, it's useless for mixed people like Finns, Iberians (except Basque), Turks etc.

You need a global one where all components are properly weighed:

https://i.imgur.com/FX9kiPb.png

Here I am shifted to Balkan Turks.

[Matxe92]

Hey can you provide me the link to calculate the position etc.?

or you can plot me in please :)

1 North_Atlantic 44.91
2 Baltic 32.04
3 West_Med 9.95
4 West_Asian 6.64
5 East_Asian 1.49
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 South_Asian 1.13
8 Northeast_African 1.11
9 East_Med 0.85
10 Amerindian 0.36
11 Siberian 0.19

[Carpatz]

Population
North_Atlantic 22.59
Baltic 28.44
West_Med 19.80
West_Asian 7.19
East_Med 15.77
Red_Sea 3.34
South_Asian 0.34
East_Asian 1.38
Siberian 1.16
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[visar]

I guess I'm quite an east-shifted Pole

[Mingle]

From Lower Saxony, second generation in Brazil.

Weren't you part Venetian as well?

[Cumansky]

I will appreciate!

CumanskyPL

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.61
3 West_Med 10.54
4 East_Med 10.48
5 West_Asian 2.66
6 Siberian 1.79
7 Sub-Saharan 0.74
8 Amerindian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.62
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Red_Sea 0.23

CumanskyPL2

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.59
3 West_Asian 14.32
4 West_Med 11.12
5 East_Med 4.45
6 Red_Sea 1.56
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 South_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1

CumanskyPL3

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.04
2 North_Atlantic 28.74
3 West_Med 11.24
4 West_Asian 7.97
5 East_Med 7.25
6 Siberian 2.62
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Red_Sea 0.75
9 South_Asian 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.12
12 East_Asian 0.07

CumanskyPL4

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.66
2 North_Atlantic 29.11
3 West_Asian 10.07
4 West_Med 9.49
5 East_Med 9.2
6 Siberian 0.96
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 Northeast_African 0.36
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27

CumanskyPL5

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

CumanskyPL6

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 47.82
2 North_Atlantic 25.65
3 West_Med 13.52
4 East_Med 6.86
5 West_Asian 3.28
6 Oceanian 0.82
7 East_Asian 0.8
8 Sub-Saharan 0.66
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Northeast_African 0.15

Chuvash

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.3
2 Siberian 17.78
3 North_Atlantic 15.79
4 West_Asian 10.94
5 East_Asian 4.22
6 South_Asian 3.51
7 West_Med 2.74
8 Amerindian 1.97
9 East_Med 0.44
10 Sub-Saharan 0.28
11 Northeast_African 0.02

[J. Ketch]

Hey can you provide me the link to calculate the position etc.?

or you can plot me in please :)

1 North_Atlantic 44.91
2 Baltic 32.04
3 West_Med 9.95
4 West_Asian 6.64
5 East_Asian 1.49
6 Red_Sea 1.33
7 South_Asian 1.13
8 Northeast_African 1.11
9 East_Med 0.85
10 Amerindian 0.36
11 Siberian 0.19


I will appreciate!

CumanskyPL

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 45.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.61
3 West_Med 10.54
4 East_Med 10.48
5 West_Asian 2.66
6 Siberian 1.79
7 Sub-Saharan 0.74
8 Amerindian 0.69
9 South_Asian 0.62
10 Oceanian 0.36
11 Red_Sea 0.23

CumanskyPL2

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.59
3 West_Asian 14.32
4 West_Med 11.12
5 East_Med 4.45
6 Red_Sea 1.56
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 South_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1

CumanskyPL3

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.04
2 North_Atlantic 28.74
3 West_Med 11.24
4 West_Asian 7.97
5 East_Med 7.25
6 Siberian 2.62
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Red_Sea 0.75
9 South_Asian 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.27
11 Northeast_African 0.12
12 East_Asian 0.07

CumanskyPL4

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.66
2 North_Atlantic 29.11
3 West_Asian 10.07
4 West_Med 9.49
5 East_Med 9.2
6 Siberian 0.96
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 Northeast_African 0.36
10 Sub-Saharan 0.27

CumanskyPL5

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

CumanskyPL6

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 47.82
2 North_Atlantic 25.65
3 West_Med 13.52
4 East_Med 6.86
5 West_Asian 3.28
6 Oceanian 0.82
7 East_Asian 0.8
8 Sub-Saharan 0.66
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Northeast_African 0.15

Chuvash

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.3
2 Siberian 17.78
3 North_Atlantic 15.79
4 West_Asian 10.94
5 East_Asian 4.22
6 South_Asian 3.51
7 West_Med 2.74
8 Amerindian 1.97
9 East_Med 0.44
10 Sub-Saharan 0.28
11 Northeast_African 0.02
NOT from the Oracle, NOT.

https://i.postimg.cc/sDGMTH7q/k13f.png
Mingle's position is unrealistic, as are the Turks probably, but whatever.

[Coastal Elite]

Thanks! Betting I'd be between Austria and France.

Population
North_Atlantic 40.75
Baltic 19.59
West_Med 15.69
West_Asian 9.31
East_Med 12.18
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.86
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.46
Amerindian 1.06
Oceanian 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Cumansky]

NOT from the Oracle, NOT.

https://i.postimg.cc/sDGMTH7q/k13f.png
Mingle's position is unrealistic, as are the Turks probably, but whatever.

This format ok? For example 0,0,0,..Etc

[J. Ketch]

This format ok? For example 0,0,0,..Etc
Just copy and paste it from the first page, like everyone else.

[Cumansky]

Just copy and paste it from the first page, like everyone else.

I lost some of those kit #

What format I can send, I have those kit saved in separate file..

[J. Ketch]

I lost some of those kit #

What format I can send, I have those kit saved in separate file..
Just format them in the correct order, North Atlantic first, Sub Saharan last. Are you sure they're all Polish? You said you were Polish and Ukrainian IIRC.

[Cumansky]

Just format them in the correct order, North Atlantic first, Sub Saharan last. Are you sure they're all Polish? You said you were Polish and Ukrainian IIRC.

Yes, all south Polish from western Ukraine, Pokuttia region. These are older generation 1 generation, or 2 generation after war and new border redrawn in our region.

Ok I will fix

[alnortedelsur]

Mine (Ancestry DNA):

Population
North_Atlantic 31.95
Baltic 8.88
West_Med 22.01
West_Asian 4.20
East_Med 15.70
Red_Sea 3.12
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75
Amerindian 6.66
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.40
Sub-Saharan 5.34

[J. Ketch]

OK, it's evident that this is not accurate for people of significant non-European ancestry, so bear that in mind. I might ultimately remove those.

https://i.postimg.cc/MGsqB4zv/k13g.png

[Aren]

North_Atlantic 45.65
Baltic 28.18
West_Med 10.5
West_Asian 5.41
South_Asian 3.2
Red_Sea 3.15
East_Med 3.03
East_Asian 0.56
Siberian 0.31

What is your exact ancestry?

[Cumansky]

CumanskyPL

Population
North_Atlantic 26.61
Baltic 45.3
West_Med 10.54
West_Asian 2.66
East_Med 10.48
Red_Sea 0.23
South_Asian 0.62
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.79
Amerindian 0.69
Oceanian 0.36
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.74

CumanskyPL2

Population
North_Atlantic 25.59
Baltic 40.09
West_Med 11.12
West_Asian 14.32
East_Med 4.45
Red_Sea 1.56
South_Asian 0.27
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.66
Amerindian 1.14
Oceanian 0.31
Northeast_African 0.37
Sub-Saharan 0.1

CumanskyPL3

Population
North_Atlantic 28.74
Baltic 39.04
West_Med 11.24
West_Asian 7.97
East_Med 7.25
Red_Sea 0.75
South_Asian 0.74
East_Asian 0.07
Siberian 2.62
Amerindian 1.19
Oceanian 0.27
Northeast_African 0.12
Sub-Saharan -


CumanskyPL4

Population
North_Atlantic 29.11
Baltic 39.66
West_Med 9.49
West_Asian 10.07
East_Med 9.2
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.47
Siberian 0.96
Amerindian 0.4
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.36
Sub-Saharan 0.27

CumanskyPL5

Population
North_Atlantic 33.58
Baltic 37.66
West_Med 11.77
West_Asian 3
East_Med 8.24
Red_Sea 2.13
South_Asian -
East Asian -
Siberian 2.11
Amerindian 0.3
Oceanian 0.05
Northeast_African 1.16
Sub-Saharan -

CumanskyPL6

Population
North_Atlantic 25.65
Baltic 47.82
West_Asian 3.28
West_Med 13.52
East_Med 6.86
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.8
Siberian 0.43
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.82
Northeast_African 0.15
Sub-Saharan 0.66

Chuvash

Population
North_Atlantic 15.79
Baltic 42.3
West_Med 2.74
West_Asian 10.94
East_Med 0.44
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 3.51
East_Asian 4.22
Siberian 17.78
Amerindian 1.97
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.02
Sub-Saharan 0.28

[Leto]

OK, it's evident that this is not accurate for people of significant non-European ancestry, so bear that in mind. I might ultimately remove those.
Can you please add Kargopol_Russian, Southwest_Russian and Tatar from the spreadsheet?

[Leto]

Yes, all south Polish from western Ukraine, Pokuttia region. These are older generation 1 generation, or 2 generation after war and new border redrawn in our region.

This one must be mixed. There's a couple of other atypical ones

CumanskyPL2

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.59
3 West_Asian 14.32
4 West_Med 11.12
5 East_Med 4.45
6 Red_Sea 1.56
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 South_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Peterski would tell you.

[Coastal Elite]

OK, it's evident that this is not accurate for people of significant non-European ancestry, so bear that in mind. I might ultimately remove those.

https://i.postimg.cc/MGsqB4zv/k13g.png

Thanks and long live France.

[Cumansky]

Peterski don't know anything, They are normal for their region.

[Cumansky]

This one must be mixed. There's a couple of other atypical ones

CumanskyPL2

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.09
2 North_Atlantic 25.59
3 West_Asian 14.32
4 West_Med 11.12
5 East_Med 4.45
6 Red_Sea 1.56
7 Amerindian 1.14
8 Siberian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.37
10 Oceanian 0.31
11 South_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1

Peterski would tell you.

I have actually LM Genetic report on this kit..

[Leto]

Peterski don't know anything, They are normal for their region.
This one looks like a half Russian, half German person or something along those lines

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

[Cumansky]

This one looks like a half Russian, half German person or something along those lines

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

Carpathian Pole, mix with Slovak

Everyone has Polish names..

[Cumansky]

This one looks like a half Russian, half German person or something along those lines

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

I bet you this one get closest with Peterski

[Cumansky]

I think they will all position close, forming real South Polish cluster..IMO

[J. Ketch]

The latest. Flipped again, now better resembling geography.
https://i.postimg.cc/mDhrKd36/K13H.png


I think they will all position close, forming real South Polish cluster..IMO
A couple definitely have some other mixture.

[visar]

Oh sorry I posted with orcale

Population
North_Atlantic 27.71
Baltic 46.87
West_Med 12.54
West_Asian 8.06
East_Med 1.74
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.24
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.35
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.50

[Cumansky]

Thanks

Consider to add: Latvian, Estonian, Finnish, Mordovian, Slovak, Czech

[J. Ketch]

Thanks

Consider to add: Latvian, Estonian, Finnish, Mordovian, Slovak, Czech
No Latvian, Czech or Slovak average on the spreadsheet.

[J. Ketch]

delete

[Cumansky]

Post this east shift Croatian match from my father side:

Cumanskyguz

Population
24.73
31.95
15.01
9.24
16.09
0.36
-
0.15
1.33
1.14
-
-
-

[J. Ketch]

Post this east shift Croatian match from my father side:

Cumanskyguz

Population
24.73
31.95
15.01
9.24
16.09
0.36
-
0.15
1.33
1.14
-
-
-
I don't want to put too many people from the same family, or random people that are atypical for their ethnicity. The plot is mainly for Apricity users at this stage.

[Cumansky]

I don't want to put too many people from the same family, or random people that are atypical for their ethnicity. The plot is mainly for Apricity users at this stage.

Ok when you do the next version put Croatian sample, he is distant match not close family, that is last sample I ask..

He usually plot with Moldova

[J. Ketch]

Ok when you do the next version put Croatian sample, he is distant match not close family, that is last sample I ask..

He usually plot with Moldova
https://i.postimg.cc/mrhKcSJ7/k13i.png
Doesn't look like a typical Croat. I'll be removing him now.

[Thracian]

Population
North_Atlantic 19.94 Pct
Baltic16.83 Pct
West_Med13.89 Pct
West_Asian16.36 Pct
East_Med21.68 Pct
Red_Sea3.87 Pct
South_Asian3.67 Pct
East_Asian-
Siberian3.02 Pct
Amerindian0.39 Pct
Oceanian0.34 Pct
Northeast_African-
Sub-Saharan-

Could you also add me? Thanks.

[Tschaikisten]

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.16
2 North_Atlantic 26.47
3 West_Med 15.65
4 East_Med 11.56
5 West_Asian 10.31
6 Red_Sea 2.11
7 Amerindian 0.71
8 South_Asian 0.39
9 Sub-Saharan 0.27
10 Siberian 0.26
11 Northeast_African 0.1

[Lemgrant]

Population
North_Atlantic 27.24
Baltic 45.51
West_Med 11.32
West_Asian 5.02
East_Med 5.36
Red_Sea 0.46
South_Asian 1.05
East_Asian 0.28
Siberian 1.54
Amerindian 1.95
Oceanian 0.27
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[karakartal]

What do you think about my location in Eurogenes K13 PCA map? Which populations am i close?

[Dick]

https://i.postimg.cc/mrhKcSJ7/k13i.png
Doesn't look like a typical Croat. I'll be removing him now.

I’m assuming he’s a Bosnian Croat

[Gründig]

Bump. Cool plot.

[Coastal Elite]

Bump. Cool plot.

Yup, one of the up-and-coming PCAs of 2019. Would like to see even more people plotted.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Can you add me and my girlfriend? Thank you in advance.

Viriato:

Population
North_Atlantic 36.75
Baltic 11.57
West_Med 25.64
West_Asian 4.55
East_Med 14.09
Red_Sea 2.76
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.93
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.77
Northeast_African 2.50
Sub-Saharan 0.4

Viriato_GF:


North_Atlantic 39.63
Baltic 10.47
West_Med 26.57
West_Asian 2.55
East_Med 12.49
Red_Sea 2.29
South_Asian 0.11
East_Asian 0.42
Siberian -
Amerindian 2.11
Oceanian 0.24
Northeast_African 0.36
Sub-Saharan 2.76

[El_Abominacion]

Heya, could you add me?

Population
North_Atlantic 16.25
Baltic 8.01
West_Med 4.14
West_Asian 15.77
East_Med 5.06
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 22.37
East_Asian 16.38
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.35
Sub-Saharan 10.59

Cheers

[J. Ketch]

https://i.postimg.cc/k46pv5fh/K13J.png

Like I said, the PCA doesn't work for those of significant non-Euro ancestry, the program reads SSA, South Asian etc the same as any European value. The best PCA for non-Europeans (and mixed Europeans) would be Global 25, which isn't based on European components.

[celticdragongod]

Population
North_Atlantic 50.06
Baltic 25.58
West_Med 12.24
West_Asian 6.16
East_Med 3.27
Red_Sea 0.05
South_Asian 1.18
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.87
Amerindian 0.23
Oceanian 0.31
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

And please feel free to abbreviate my name to CDG to save space on the PCA. Thanks!

[Cumansky]

I’m assuming he’s a Bosnian Croat

He is Croatian from Bosnia (Bosnian Croat)

[Cumansky]

Cumansky5 he is Polish. 100% his first and surname Polish as you will find. His closest population is also South Polish..

Cumansky5

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.38
2 Hungarian 7.13
3 East_German 7.64
4 Croatian 7.99
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.15
6 Ukrainian 8.5
7 Polish 9.06
8 Austrian 9.13
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.6
10 Moldavian 11.27
11 Southwest_Russian 12.01
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.1
13 Belorussian 12.13
14 Estonian_Polish 12.19
15 North_Swedish 12.2
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.94
17 Finnish 13.84
18 Serbian 14.23
19 Estonian 14.3
20 Kargopol_Russian 15.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Belorussian + 28.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.16
2 70% Belorussian + 30% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.26
3 69.4% Belorussian + 30.6% Portuguese @ 2.4
4 63.7% Belorussian + 36.3% French @ 2.53
5 69.6% Belorussian + 30.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.54
6 71.8% Belorussian + 28.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.64
7 71.2% Belorussian + 28.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.7
8 73.1% Belorussian + 26.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.72
9 71% Belorussian + 29% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.72
10 69.3% Belorussian + 30.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.79
11 63.7% Estonian_Polish + 36.3% French @ 2.82
12 72.5% Belorussian + 27.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.84
13 66.7% Estonian + 33.3% North_Italian @ 2.87
14 57.8% Southwest_Finnish + 42.2% Serbian @ 3
15 69% Estonian + 31% Tuscan @ 3.09
16 71.2% Belorussian + 28.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.12
17 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.18
18 74.3% Southwest_Finnish + 25.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.2
19 70.2% Estonian_Polish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.21
20 67.5% Southwest_Finnish + 32.5% Bulgarian @ 3.31

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.935599


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.292722


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.194523
2 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.244978
3 Belorussian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.282481
4 Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.292722
5 Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.327191
6 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.363079
7 Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.397452
8 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.397496
9 Belorussian + Belorussian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.417834
10 Belorussian + Finnish + South_Polish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.428657
11 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.432176
12 Belorussian + Finnish + Portuguese + South_Polish @ 2.437732
13 Belorussian + Belorussian + North_Italian + North_Swedish @ 2.446307
14 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.489136
15 Belorussian + Estonian + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.495200
16 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.496580
17 Belorussian + Belorussian + North_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.509286
18 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.517979
19 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.529933
20 Belorussian + Finnish + South_Polish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.564458

[Dick]

He is Croatian from Bosnia (Bosnian Croat)

Krabat the Sorbian folk hero

[Cumansky]

Krabat the Sorbian folk hero

Lol this guy is least Krabat in the whole region..

[Dick]

Lol this guy is least Krabat in the whole region..

because he's a Sorbian folk hero

[Cumansky]

because he's a Sorbian folk hero

Then he will plot close with Sorbian God Nato, but he came from more dangerous Turkic clans

[Peterski]

Another South Pole, but this time... a Neolithic one of GAC culture from ca. 5000 years ago:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276558-Neolithic-GAC-Farmers-on-GEDmatch

Eurogenes K13 results (GAC Pole):

Population
North_Atlantic 36.99 Pct
Baltic 7.15 Pct
West_Med 46.18 Pct
West_Asian -
East_Med 9.68 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Cumansky]

Another South Pole, but this time... a Neolithic one of GAC culture from ca. 5000 years ago:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276558-Neolithic-GAC-Farmers-on-GEDmatch

Eurogenes K13 results (GAC Pole):

Population
North_Atlantic 36.99 Pct
Baltic 7.15 Pct
West_Med 46.18 Pct
West_Asian -
East_Med 9.68 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

This a Basque from 7000 years ago..wtf this has do with Poles..

[Kouros]

Like I said, the PCA doesn't work for those of significant non-Euro ancestry, the program reads SSA, South Asian etc the same as any European value. The best PCA for non-Europeans (and mixed Europeans) would be Global 25, which isn't based on European components.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.2
2 East_Med 20.45
3 West_Asian 17.92
4 North_Atlantic 17.7
5 Baltic 17.26
6 Red_Sea 3.54
7 East_Asian 0.61
8 Amerindian 0.26
9 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Thanks in advance

[J. Ketch]

Another South Pole, but this time... a Neolithic one of GAC culture from ca. 5000 years ago:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276558-Neolithic-GAC-Farmers-on-GEDmatch

Eurogenes K13 results (GAC Pole):

Population
North_Atlantic 36.99 Pct
Baltic 7.15 Pct
West_Med 46.18 Pct
West_Asian -
East_Med 9.68 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


This a Basque from 7000 years ago..wtf this has do with Poles..
I'll use this as a Polish reference, as well as Cumansky's, thank you. The Polish cluster will span from West of Iberians to East of Russians. Polan Stronk! :rolleyes:

[Leto]

I'll use this as a Polish reference, as well as Cumansky's, thank you. The Polish cluster will span from West of Iberians to East of Russians. Polan Stronk! :rolleyes:
Make Europa Polish again! :cool:

[Kaspias]

Can you add this? Thank you.

KaspiasC

Population
North_Atlantic 15.74
Baltic 22.46
West_Med 18.73
West_Asian 14.18
East_Med 21.95
Red_Sea 3.69
South_Asian 0.07
East_Asian 0.94
Siberian 0.93
Amerindian 1.31
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Vasconcelos]

This a Basque from 7000 years ago

Very funny

[J. Ketch]

Latest

https://i.postimg.cc/ZR3hSGD0/k13k.png

First National Clusters

https://i.postimg.cc/bw95QQsC/k13kb.png

[Vasconcelos]

Might aswell ask to add mine


North_Atlantic 39.48
Baltic 9.61
West_Med 28.50
West_Asian 1.02
East_Med 12.03
Red_Sea 4.45
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.58
Siberian 0.58
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 2.60
Sub-Saharan 1.13

[frankhammer]

North_Atlantic 46.12
Baltic 25.09
West_Med 16.12
West_Asian 5.50
East_Med 3.08
Red_Sea 1.94
South_Asian 1.41
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.19
Oceanian 0.15
Northeast_African 0.40
Sub-Saharan -

[alnortedelsur]

It might not be accurate for mixed people, but I don't think it is much skewed for somebody who is 87% Euro like me.

[Dušan]

QuercusRobur, or Dušan - that's my name. :)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.35
Baltic 33.79
West_Med 18.56
West_Asian 8.12
East_Med 12.69
Red_Sea 1.12
South_Asian 0.72
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.93
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

Once again, please don't sort the values. I guess half of this forum is using google translate or something.


It might not be accurate for mixed people, but I don't think it is much skewed for somebody who is 87% Euro like me.
I'll put you back in if you insist, but your position is false.

[Pribislav]

QuercusRobur, or Dušan - that's my name. :)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.35
Baltic 33.79
West_Med 18.56
West_Asian 8.12
East_Med 12.69
Red_Sea 1.12
South_Asian 0.72
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.93
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

You are Serbian recorder in Baltic admixture from what I have seen.

[Kaspias]

You are Serbian recorder in Baltic admixture from what I have seen.

+1

[Pribislav]

+1

He is I2a1b.
Bosniak user Vlatko Vukovic is I2a1b and also has high Baltic score.

I want to heard now idiots which deny Slavic origin of I2a1b. :)

[alnortedelsur]

Once again, please don't sort the values. I guess half of this forum is using google translate or something.


I'll put you back in if you insist, but your position is false.

Where should I plot, according to you?

[Erronkari]

Could you add me, please? Thank you in advance!

Population
North_Atlantic 44.52
Baltic 3.55
West_Med 33.69
West_Asian 3.02
East_Med 8.12
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.82
East_Asian 1.18
Siberian -
Amerindian 3.89
Oceanian 0.63
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.58

[Cumansky]

Cumansky5 he is Polish. 100% his first and surname Polish as you will find. His closest population is also South Polish..

Cumansky5

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.66
2 North_Atlantic 33.58
3 West_Med 11.77
4 East_Med 8.24
5 West_Asian 3
6 Red_Sea 2.13
7 Siberian 2.11
8 Northeast_African 1.16
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.38
2 Hungarian 7.13
3 East_German 7.64
4 Croatian 7.99
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.15
6 Ukrainian 8.5
7 Polish 9.06
8 Austrian 9.13
9 Southwest_Finnish 10.6
10 Moldavian 11.27
11 Southwest_Russian 12.01
12 Russian_Smolensk 12.1
13 Belorussian 12.13
14 Estonian_Polish 12.19
15 North_Swedish 12.2
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.94
17 Finnish 13.84
18 Serbian 14.23
19 Estonian 14.3
20 Kargopol_Russian 15.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.1% Belorussian + 28.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.16
2 70% Belorussian + 30% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.26
3 69.4% Belorussian + 30.6% Portuguese @ 2.4
4 63.7% Belorussian + 36.3% French @ 2.53
5 69.6% Belorussian + 30.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.54
6 71.8% Belorussian + 28.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.64
7 71.2% Belorussian + 28.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.7
8 73.1% Belorussian + 26.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.72
9 71% Belorussian + 29% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.72
10 69.3% Belorussian + 30.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.79
11 63.7% Estonian_Polish + 36.3% French @ 2.82
12 72.5% Belorussian + 27.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.84
13 66.7% Estonian + 33.3% North_Italian @ 2.87
14 57.8% Southwest_Finnish + 42.2% Serbian @ 3
15 69% Estonian + 31% Tuscan @ 3.09
16 71.2% Belorussian + 28.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.12
17 71.3% Estonian_Polish + 28.7% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.18
18 74.3% Southwest_Finnish + 25.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.2
19 70.2% Estonian_Polish + 29.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.21
20 67.5% Southwest_Finnish + 32.5% Bulgarian @ 3.31

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Serbian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.935599


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belorussian +25% Southwest_Finnish +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.292722


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.194523
2 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.244978
3 Belorussian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian @ 2.282481
4 Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.292722
5 Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.327191
6 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.363079
7 Belorussian + Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.397452
8 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish + Tuscan @ 2.397496
9 Belorussian + Belorussian + Portuguese + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.417834
10 Belorussian + Finnish + South_Polish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.428657
11 Belorussian + Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.432176
12 Belorussian + Finnish + Portuguese + South_Polish @ 2.437732
13 Belorussian + Belorussian + North_Italian + North_Swedish @ 2.446307
14 Estonian_Polish + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.489136
15 Belorussian + Estonian + North_Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.495200
16 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.496580
17 Belorussian + Belorussian + North_Italian + Southwest_Finnish @ 2.509286
18 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Spanish_Murcia + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.517979
19 Belorussian + Southwest_Finnish + Southwest_Russian + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.529933
20 Belorussian + Finnish + South_Polish + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.564458

Cumanky5 is Polish, look his first population..

He is Polish cluster.

[Cumansky]

CumanskyPL1-4 are I2a1b2, if you are not blind you see they shifted away from all Slavic populations.

[Cumansky]

Cumansky6 also Polish

1 Estonian_Polish 5.82

Is not my fault my ethnic group diverse.

[celticdragongod]

Latest

Excellent work! Thanks!

[J. Ketch]

Where should I plot, according to you?
According to this you should plot South of Tuscans.
https://i.ibb.co/RY97tq1/45925011494-771cc1ee16-o.png

[Leto]

According to this you should plot South of Tuscans.
He is more Southern than Iberia due to the SSA and more Eastern due to the Amerindian. Pretty logical.

[J. Ketch]

Cumansky6 also Polish

1 Estonian_Polish 5.82

Is not my fault my ethnic group diverse.
I don't want my national clusters to include ethnic diaspora that are genetically too divergent. This isn't a cultural PCA it's a genetic one.

[Leto]

I don't want my national clusters to include ethnic diaspora that are genetically too divergent. This isn't a cultural PCA it's a genetic one.
If you want real Poles, ask Peterski, he has a couple of hundreds of Poles from different regions.

[alnortedelsur]

According to this you should plot South of Tuscans.
https://i.ibb.co/RY97tq1/45925011494-771cc1ee16-o.png

That's the PCA according to Eurogenes K15, and I'm still within the European cluster.

Do you think that PCA is more correct?

[alnortedelsur]

He is more Southern than Iberia due to the SSA and more Eastern due to the Amerindian. Pretty logical.

And I also have some distant Italian ancestry. That also contributes (besides the bits of Amerindian and SSA) to pull me more south east, and closer to Italy.

[J. Ketch]

Latest

https://i.postimg.cc/tRsP4RnQ/k13c.png

[J. Ketch]

That's the PCA according to Eurogenes K15, and I'm still within the European cluster.

Do you think that PCA is more correct?
Yes, it's more correct. 12% non West Eurasian shifts a European quite a bit.

[Erronkari]

Latest

https://i.postimg.cc/tRsP4RnQ/k13c.png

Thank you very much Bro. Excellent job!:thumb001:

[de Burgh II]

Cheers broski. :p

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.14
2 Baltic 20.42
3 West_Med 15.82
4 West_Asian 6.38
5 East_Med 3.9
6 Amerindian 1.15
7 South_Asian 1.01
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.24
10 Oceanian 0.12
11 Siberian 0.09

[Iloko]

damnn come to think of it, there hasn't been any *new* gedmatch calc added to gedmatch.com for years!

[Freeroostah]

Thanks in advance!!



Population
North_Atlantic 18.30
Baltic 19.67
West_Med 20.55
West_Asian 13.26
East_Med 22.68
Red_Sea 4.74
Northeast_African 0.39
Sub-Saharan 0.33
Siberian 0.09
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -

[Vasconcelos]

damnn come to think of it, there hasn't been any *new* gedmatch calc added to gedmatch.com for years!

They are dated now, David scrapped those for Global 25 and nMonte

[Coastal Elite]

damnn come to think of it, there hasn't been any *new* gedmatch calc added to gedmatch.com for years!

I wish that had new ones too. Makes me sad

[Sp_loa]

My grandmother:

Population
North_Atlantic 12.19 Pct
Baltic 5.02 Pct
West_Med 21.08 Pct
West_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Med 35.65 Pct
Red_Sea 9.63 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.26 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.81 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African 1.57 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.80 Pct

mine:
Population
North_Atlantic 13.12
Baltic 2.57
West_Med 19.73
West_Asian 12.38
East_Med 36.28
Red_Sea 9.72
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.19
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 2.26
Sub-Saharan 3.71

[J. Ketch]

https://i.postimg.cc/rFk4589D/k13d.png


My grandmother:

Population
North_Atlantic 12.19 Pct
Baltic 5.02 Pct
West_Med 21.08 Pct
West_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Med 35.65 Pct
Red_Sea 9.63 Pct
South_Asian 0.12 Pct
East_Asian 0.26 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.81 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African 1.57 Pct
Sub-Saharan 1.80 Pct

mine:
Population
North_Atlantic 13.12
Baltic 2.57
West_Med 19.73
West_Asian 12.38
East_Med 36.28
Red_Sea 9.72
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.19
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 2.26
Sub-Saharan 3.71
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0qHwLH4/k13da.png

[Leto]

damnn come to think of it, there hasn't been any *new* gedmatch calc added to gedmatch.com for years!

They are dated now, David scrapped those for Global 25 and nMonte
So what? He's not the only one capable, other people could continue if he doesn't want to himself.

[Vasconcelos]

So what? He's not the only one capable, other people could continue if he doesn't want to himself.

The odds the calculators would be better is extremelly slim, G25 is a great PCA. Besides nMonte allows custom models anyway, so it's a bit of a pointless effort

[Kaspias]

I'm still thinking Gedmatch is accurate and needs new calculators. Some calculators more accurate than G25, for me at least.

[Leto]

The odds the calculators would be better is extremelly slim, G25 is a great PCA. Besides nMonte allows custom models anyway, so it's a bit of a pointless effort
nMonte is shit, it's just an oracle, nothing groundbreaking about it.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

They are dated now, David scrapped those for Global 25 and nMonte

He made wrong decision. Looking at this nMonte and ''modeling'' it looks like scam and inferior to gedmatch.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

nMonte is shit, it's just an oracle, nothing groundbreaking about it.

Lol and you must pay him for that crap.

[Leto]

Yes, the truth is that you can model yourself as almost anything, which doesn't mean you actually have that kind of ancestry. I can probably be modeled as Lithuanian + Serbian + Chuvash and things like that but in reality I don't have ancestors from those groups. How is that supposed to be more accurate? I prefer racial and geographic components, not just oracles.

[J. Ketch]

G25 is better than Gedmatch, you just have to know how to use it. Once you've seen your results on Gedmatch that's it. You get no more value out of it. G25 is always being updated with new references to test.

[kleenex]

Could you add me. Thanks!
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.7
2 North_Atlantic 21.82
3 West_Med 19.44
4 Baltic 14.78
5 West_Asian 13.26
6 Red_Sea 3.35
7 Amerindian 0.64

[J. Ketch]

Could you add me. Thanks!
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.7
2 North_Atlantic 21.82
3 West_Med 19.44
4 Baltic 14.78
5 West_Asian 13.26
6 Red_Sea 3.35
7 Amerindian 0.64
https://i.postimg.cc/bvvRpgBH/kleenex.png

[Lucas]

So what? He's not the only one capable, other people could continue if he doesn't want to himself.

I wanted one year ago to add K47 to Gedmatch. They were nice "We will add for some time, no problem". I reminded them few times. But still nothing.

So it is also problem with Gedmatch guys...

[Vasconcelos]

nMonte is shit, it's just an oracle, nothing groundbreaking about it.

What do you know about computation biology and data science in order to label it "shit"? Maybe there's a reason no one uses those calcs anymore (people here don't count, sorry)

Even if the algorith were exactly the same, the simple fact that it allows customisation and more/better references would already make it superior than those Gedmatch oracles. Gedmatch calcs were cool, but they are past now

[Graham]

Yes, the truth is that you can model yourself as almost anything, which doesn't mean you actually have that kind of ancestry. I can probably be modeled as Lithuanian + Serbian + Chuvash and things like that but in reality I don't have ancestors from those groups. How is that supposed to be more accurate? I prefer racial and geographic components, not just oracles.

It's more for hypothesis testing, not exaclty but has use if used correctly.

[Lucas]

What do you know about computation biology and data science in order to label it "shit"? Maybe there's a reason no one uses those calcs anymore (people here don't count, sorry)

Even if the algorith were exactly the same, the simple fact that it allows customisation and more/better references would already make it superior than those Gedmatch oracles. Gedmatch calcs were cool, but they are past now

I have some clues G25 is compatible with Eurogenes calculators. I will tell later maybe.
It is PCA made on K25 components of standard admixture calculator, not smartPCA on dataset with genomes.

Simply in every case someone orders coordinates Polako would have to convert his raw file to PLINK format, then merge with own G25 dataset, then convert it to Eigenstrat format, than make smartPCA, then find row with coordinates and then email it.

In case of PCA based on K25 calculator he does it using PAST in 30 seconds (and before test in DIY K25 calc of course for component breakdown but is automatic) , like I do for K36 runner. I don't believe he waste so much time, but maybe...

[celticdragongod]

I'm still thinking Gedmatch is accurate and needs new calculators. Some calculators more accurate than G25, for me at least.

Gedmatch is not that useful for people who come from more than four different ethnic backgrounds. For those people, nMonte is more useful.

[celticdragongod]

nMonte is shit, it's just an oracle, nothing groundbreaking about it.

It is very useful for people who come from more than four different ethnic backgrounds.

[Luke35]

Would you please add me. Please add my parents too if that is okay? Thanks
Mr.G
North_Atlantic 38.89
Baltic 25.72
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 8.60
Red_Sea 2.11
South_Asian 1.66
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05
Amerindian 0.75
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Mr.G(M)
North_Atlantic 45.34
Baltic 23.79
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.37
East_Med 7.26
Red_Sea 1.08
South_Asian 1.07
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.11
Amerindian 0.12
Oceanian 0.36
Northeast_African 0.30
Sub-Saharan 0.35

Mr.G(D)
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07
This is a phased kit but I believe it plots fairly accurately.

[J. Ketch]

Would you please add me. Please add my parents too if that is okay? Thanks
Mr.G
North_Atlantic 38.89
Baltic 25.72
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 8.60
Red_Sea 2.11
South_Asian 1.66
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05
Amerindian 0.75
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Mr.G(M)
North_Atlantic 45.34
Baltic 23.79
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.37
East_Med 7.26
Red_Sea 1.08
South_Asian 1.07
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.11
Amerindian 0.12
Oceanian 0.36
Northeast_African 0.30
Sub-Saharan 0.35

Mr.G(D)
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07
This is a phased kit but I believe it plots fairly accurately.
https://i.postimg.cc/D0Dm9MMz/mrg.png

[Luke35]

Thanks! Interesting how my dad is plotting fairly accurately there (generally on the path I am taking eastward in the PCA, away from my mother) in-spite of an odd phased result.

[Leto]

https://i.postimg.cc/D0Dm9MMz/mrg.png
Can you please add my parents?

Leto_D

Population
North_Sea 16.36 Pct
Atlantic 17.10 Pct
Baltic 30.86 Pct
Eastern_Euro 25.79 Pct
West_Med 4.58 Pct
West_Asian 3.10 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.40 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Leto_M


Population
North_Sea 24.58 Pct
Atlantic 7.08 Pct
Baltic 24.77 Pct
Eastern_Euro 26.56 Pct
West_Med 2.33 Pct
West_Asian 3.74 Pct
East_Med 0.79 Pct
Red_Sea 1.61 Pct
South_Asian 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Siberian 5.15 Pct
Amerindian 1.84 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.17 Pct

[Mazik]

Add me please :)

North_Atlantic 40.85
Baltic 35.91
West_Med 9.04
West_Asian 4.08
East_Med 2.62
South_Asian 1.88
East_Asian 1.30
Siberian 3.25
Amerindian 0.15
Oceanian 0.71
Northeast_African 0.22

[J. Ketch]

Can you please add my parents?

Leto_D

Population
North_Sea 16.36 Pct
Atlantic 17.10 Pct
Baltic 30.86 Pct
Eastern_Euro 25.79 Pct
West_Med 4.58 Pct
West_Asian 3.10 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.40 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Leto_M


Population
North_Sea 24.58 Pct
Atlantic 7.08 Pct
Baltic 24.77 Pct
Eastern_Euro 26.56 Pct
West_Med 2.33 Pct
West_Asian 3.74 Pct
East_Med 0.79 Pct
Red_Sea 1.61 Pct
South_Asian 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Siberian 5.15 Pct
Amerindian 1.84 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.17 Pct
These are K15...

[CommonSense]

Add emziepiex3, please:

North_Atlantic 28.94 Pct
Baltic 26.74 Pct
West_Med 15.96 Pct
West_Asian 10.01 Pct
East_Med 16.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.22 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.16 Pct

[J. Ketch]

Add me please :)

North_Atlantic 40.85
Baltic 35.91
West_Med 9.04
West_Asian 4.08
East_Med 2.62
South_Asian 1.88
East_Asian 1.30
Siberian 3.25
Amerindian 0.15
Oceanian 0.71
Northeast_African 0.22


Add emziepiex3, please:

North_Atlantic 28.94 Pct
Baltic 26.74 Pct
West_Med 15.96 Pct
West_Asian 10.01 Pct
East_Med 16.78 Pct
Red_Sea 0.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.22 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 0.44 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.16 Pct
https://i.postimg.cc/zf8tvqwf/18feb.png

NW Euro magnified

https://i.postimg.cc/mkzVJk4m/feb18a.png

[Egyvalaki]

Add me, please :)

North_Atlantic 39.39 Pct
Baltic 22.67 Pct
West_Med 14.29 Pct
West_Asian 6.00 Pct
East_Med 12.15 Pct
Red_Sea 1.06 Pct
South_Asian 1.95 Pct
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African 0.54 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

Add me, please :)

North_Atlantic 39.39 Pct
Baltic 22.67 Pct
West_Med 14.29 Pct
West_Asian 6.00 Pct
East_Med 12.15 Pct
Red_Sea 1.06 Pct
South_Asian 1.95 Pct
East_Asian 0.09 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian 1.03 Pct
Northeast_African 0.54 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Very Western compared to the Hungarian average it seems.

https://i.postimg.cc/Dy8t2RN9/egyvalaki.png

[Pine]

Please add me,


Population
North_Atlantic 14.95
Baltic 4.99
West_Med 19.02
West_Asian 14.44
East_Med 35.68
Red_Sea 6.14
South_Asian -
East_Asian 2.39
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.08
Oceanian 0.97
Northeast_African 0.17
Sub-Saharan 1.17

[MercifulServant]

Population
North_Atlantic 23.13
Baltic 30.06
West_Med 19.04
West_Asian 12.54
East_Med 10.36
Red_Sea 3.40
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.20
Siberian 0.73
Amerindian 0.18
Oceanian 0.37
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Ekaitza]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.76
2 West_Med 17.29
3 Amerindian 16.79
4 East_Med 11.4
5 Sub-Saharan 10.66
6 Baltic 9.16
7 West_Asian 4.48
8 Northeast_African 2.6
9 Red_Sea 2.33
10 Oceanian 0.97
11 South_Asian 0.5
12 East_Asian 0.04
13 Siberian 0.01

[Ekaitza]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.76
2 West_Med 17.29
3 Amerindian 16.79
4 East_Med 11.4
5 Sub-Saharan 10.66
6 Baltic 9.16
7 West_Asian 4.48
8 Northeast_African 2.6
9 Red_Sea 2.33
10 Oceanian 0.97
11 South_Asian 0.5
12 East_Asian 0.04
13 Siberian 0.01

[Zmey Gorynych]

QuercusRobur, or Dušan - that's my name. :)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.35
Baltic 33.79
West_Med 18.56
West_Asian 8.12
East_Med 12.69
Red_Sea 1.12
South_Asian 0.72
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.73
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.93
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Even here we're very similar

Population
North_Atlantic 22.18
Baltic 33.94
West_Med 14.38
West_Asian 9.99
East_Med 13.86
Red_Sea 3.05
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.21
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.49
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Still making those? Would be great if you could add my father:

Population
North_Atlantic 35.70 Pct
Baltic 15.45 Pct
West_Med 24.57 Pct
West_Asian 0.58 Pct
East_Med 15.64 Pct
Red_Sea 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.58 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.79 Pct
Amerindian 0.38 Pct
Oceanian 1.04 Pct
Northeast_African 2.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.96 Pc

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 5.25
2 Spanish_Galicia 6.28
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.92
4 Spanish_Cataluna 7.06
5 Spanish_Extremadura 7.26
6 Spanish_Valencia 7.28
7 Spanish_Murcia 7.34
8 North_Italian 8.64
9 Spanish_Andalucia 8.87
10 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 8.91
11 Spanish_Cantabria 9.25
12 French 10.24
13 Southwest_French 10.46
14 Spanish_Aragon 11.37
15 Tuscan 14.17
16 West_German 15.19
17 South_Dutch 15.5
18 Serbian 17.17
19 Romanian 17.44
20 Austrian 18.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% Portuguese + 9.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.82
2 86.5% Portuguese + 13.5% Croatian @ 3.84
3 91.8% Portuguese + 8.2% Erzya @ 3.86
4 89.3% Portuguese + 10.7% Ukrainian @ 3.86
5 86.3% Portuguese + 13.7% Moldavian @ 3.86
6 90.8% Portuguese + 9.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.86
7 82.5% Portuguese + 17.5% Serbian @ 3.87
8 91% Portuguese + 9% Belorussian @ 3.91
9 91.4% Portuguese + 8.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.92
10 91% Portuguese + 9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.95
11 92.1% Portuguese + 7.9% Lithuanian @ 3.98
12 89.4% Portuguese + 10.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.99
13 84.4% Portuguese + 15.6% Bulgarian @ 3.99
14 91.1% Portuguese + 8.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.99
15 83.3% Portuguese + 16.7% Romanian @ 4
16 89.3% Portuguese + 10.7% South_Polish @ 4
17 90.5% Portuguese + 9.5% Polish @ 4.06
18 92.1% Portuguese + 7.9% East_Finnish @ 4.09
19 73.5% Spanish_Valencia + 26.5% Serbian @ 4.1
20 85.6% Portuguese + 14.4% Hungarian @ 4.11

[HungryLion]

Just added a few national averages from the Eurogenes spreadsheet to give the PCA shape; copy and paste your values (not from the Oracle) if you want to be added. The PCA will develop and become more correct and detailed as more people are added.

https://i.postimg.cc/90KsDK81/K13a.png

I could do this for another calculator too if people would like.

north atlantic- 28.71
Baltic-33.25
west med- 15.85
West Asian- 6.84
East Med -12.81
Red Sea -1.71
South Asian -
East Asian -
Siberian-0.67
Armerindian-
Oceanian-0.15
North African-
Sub-Saharan-

[J. Ketch]

https://i.postimg.cc/k4xGR80g/19March.png
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

[Ford]

...

Care to plot my results?

North_Atlantic 25.93
Baltic 32.13
West_Med 17.10
West_Asian 7.49
East_Med 14.60
Red_Sea 0.56
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.99
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.16
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Pubiczar]

If you don't mind:

North_Atlantic 21.33 Pct
Baltic 21.02 Pct
West_Med 18.48 Pct
West_Asian 10.97 Pct
East_Med 22.04 Pct
Red_Sea 4.72 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct

[J. Ketch]

If you don't mind:

North_Atlantic 21.33 Pct
Baltic 21.02 Pct
West_Med 18.48 Pct
West_Asian 10.97 Pct
East_Med 22.04 Pct
Red_Sea 4.72 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
You're missing a component there.

[Bosniensis]

I don't want to be with ***** on the same PCA shape, remove me.

[Pubiczar]

You're missing a component there.

Yeah sorry,...

North_Atlantic 21.33 Pct
Baltic 21.02 Pct
West_Med 18.48 Pct
West_Asian 10.97 Pct
East_Med 22.04 Pct
Red_Sea 4.72 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African 0.12 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

I don't want to be with ***** on the same PCA shape, remove me.
You weren't in it in the first place, but OK.

[Dick]

I don't want to be with ***** on the same PCA shape, remove me.


You weren't in it in the first place, but OK.

:rotfl:

[HungryLion]

Uh :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rofl_002:

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Excellent work J.Ketch, much appreciated. Whenever you have the time it would be nice if you could add a few more samples from other TA Portuguese members (all native):

Pedro Ruben:

1 North_Atlantic - 36.29
2 West_Med - 23.67
3 East_Med - 13.8
4 Baltic - 12.4
5 Red_Sea - 4.88
6 Sub-Saharan - 2.95
7 Northeast_African - 2.41
8 West_Asian - 1.85
9 Amerindian - 1.19
10 Siberian - 0.56

Hyoga7

1 North_Atlantic 39.02
2 West_Med 23.71
3 East_Med 15.39
4 Baltic 11.85
5 Red_Sea 3.01
6 Sub-Saharan 2.88
7 West_Asian 1.1
8 East_Asian 1.07
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.46
11 Amerindian 0.4
12 Siberian 0.29
13 Oceanian 0.13

FilhoV

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Damião de Góis

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.48
2 West_Med 25.02
3 East_Med 13.96
4 Baltic 11.15
5 West_Asian 4.28
6 Red_Sea 2.18
7 Sub-Saharan 1.87
8 Northeast_African 1.62
9 Oceanian 1.08
10 South_Asian 0.37

[J. Ketch]

Excellent work J.Ketch, much appreciated. Whenever you have the time it would be nice if you could add a few more samples from other TA Portuguese members (all native):

Pedro Ruben:

1 North_Atlantic - 36.29
2 West_Med - 23.67
3 East_Med - 13.8
4 Baltic - 12.4
5 Red_Sea - 4.88
6 Sub-Saharan - 2.95
7 Northeast_African - 2.41
8 West_Asian - 1.85
9 Amerindian - 1.19
10 Siberian - 0.56

Hyoga7

1 North_Atlantic 39.02
2 West_Med 23.71
3 East_Med 15.39
4 Baltic 11.85
5 Red_Sea 3.01
6 Sub-Saharan 2.88
7 West_Asian 1.1
8 East_Asian 1.07
9 South_Asian 0.69
10 Northeast_African 0.46
11 Amerindian 0.4
12 Siberian 0.29
13 Oceanian 0.13

FilhoV

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.18
2 West_Med 26.89
3 East_Med 14.93
4 Baltic 9.47
5 West_Asian 3.35
6 Red_Sea 3.3
7 Northeast_African 2.45
8 Sub-Saharan 2.2
9 Oceanian 0.24

Damião de Góis

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.48
2 West_Med 25.02
3 East_Med 13.96
4 Baltic 11.15
5 West_Asian 4.28
6 Red_Sea 2.18
7 Sub-Saharan 1.87
8 Northeast_African 1.62
9 Oceanian 1.08
10 South_Asian 0.37
No probs, I'll do the next one tomorrow.

[Leto]

north atlantic- 28.71
Baltic-33.25
west med- 15.85
West Asian- 6.84
East Med -12.81
Red Sea -1.71
South Asian -
East Asian -
Siberian-0.67
Armerindian-
Oceanian-0.15
North African-
Sub-Saharan-
You're more like a Croat than Serb if we go by these results.

[HungryLion]

You're more like a Croat than Serb if we go by these results.

better known as a Western Serb.
There are problematic regions that I believe are Serbian, Croats believe differently. I fit right here

[HungryLion]

simply different haplogroups participated in my ethnogenesis, and differently in the ethnogenesis of the northwestern Croats. The fact that I have a little more northern genetics does not mean that I have direct links with the Croats...I absolutely know my genealogy

[Leto]

better known as a Western Serb.
There are problematic regions that I believe are Serbian, Croats believe differently. I fit right here
Share your full oracle in this thread (you can see Ford's and Dušan's results there)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282351-Post-Eurogenes-K13-Fresh-thread/page5

[HungryLion]

Share your full oracle in this thread (you can see Ford's and Dušan's results there)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?282351-Post-Eurogenes-K13-Fresh-thread/page5

Already Pribislav shared my results, he only made a mistake about K15, I am Banija Serb )

[Pine]

https://i.postimg.cc/k4xGR80g/19March.png
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

Do you mind adding some Jewish and Levantine avgs as references? And thank you for adding me

[Vasconcelos]

No probs, I'll do the next one tomorrow.

Since you'll be adding Portuguese members, do you mind adding two more, please?


Ippt

North_ Atlantic 40.41
West _ Med 26.27
Baltic 12.22
East_ Med 11.25
West _ Asian 2.82
Northeast_ African 2.23
Red _ Sea 2.09
Sub-Saharan 1.26
East_ Asian 0.82
Oceanian 0.57
Amerindian 0.06



MrsVasconcelos

North_Atlantic 39.44
Baltic 9.89
West_Med 26.48
West_Asian 1.66
East_Med 13.70
Red_Sea 3.51
South_Asian 1.48
East_Asian 0.88
Siberian 0.41
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African 0.18
Sub-Saharan 1.80



And the Cantabrian reference aswell, if you can, please. Bit of a personal request since the Oracle pairs me with them very often


Spanish_Cantabria

North Atlantic - 41.80
Baltic - 11.49
West Med - 29.27
West Asian - 1.75
East Med - 10.20
Red Sea - 2.37
South Asian - 0.45
East Asian - 0.03
Siberian - 0.13
Amerindian - 0.49
Oceanian - 0.47
North-East African - 0.80
Sub-Saharan African - 0.75

[Nurzat]

pls add me too. thanks. hope it's ok sorted like this, I keep them sorted largest to smallest

Eurogenes K13:

30.93 Baltic
25.10 North_Atlantic
16.34 West_Med
11.35 East_Med
10.95 West_Asian
1.30 Siberian
1.20 South_Asian
1.01 East_Asian
0.74 Amerindian
0.64 Oceanian
0.36 Sub_Saharan
0.08 Red_Sea
0.00 Northeast_African

[FilhoV]

Can anyone do a PCA k15 Eurogenes of 1/2 Kenyan 1/2 Italian

https://imgur.com/a/qqhTHfc

[Adam Janossy]

North_Atlantic 29.78
Baltic 32.36
West_Med 15.85
West_Asian 11.11
East_Med 9.41
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.52
Siberian 0.95
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Thank you!

[Mingle]

My place on your PCA is wrong, could you fix it? My placement on your map is a bit more northwest than it should be. Also, this is from my FTDNA data which uses more SNPs.

X-axis: 1405
Y-axis: 582

[Vasconcelos]

My place on your PCA is wrong, could you fix it? My placement on your map is a bit more northwest than it should be. Also, this is from my FTDNA data which uses more SNPs.

X-axis: 1405
Y-axis: 582

You "shouldn't" be anywhere in specific. The PCA plot doesn't have enough references for you, since it's exclusively European and you're partially not (I'm assuming, since you wrote "Pashtun-American"). Your position here will always be misleading

[MercifulServant]

Already Pribislav shared my results, he only made a mistake about K15, I am Banija Serb )

What’s your kit number I want to see if we are related, my moms side is from banija.

[Mingle]

You "shouldn't" be anywhere in specific. The PCA plot doesn't have enough references for you, since it's exclusively European and you're partially not (I'm assuming, since you wrote "Pashtun-American"). Your position here will always be misleadingI know but its more representative still and I'm already on the PCA. It's not a big deal for me since I don't take Eurogenes seriously when it comes to Pashtuns.

I'm 0% Euro (unless you count ancient/Steppe).

[J. Ketch]

SW Focus

https://i.postimg.cc/q7kwv7yD/March20a.png

SE Focus

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVcBhLb/march20b.png

[J. Ketch]

Do you mind adding some Jewish and Levantine avgs as references? And thank you for adding me
Sorry, but this PCA only really works well for Europeans. Adding full Levantines would stretch it out too much and they would be inaccurately placed anyway. The static K15 PCA is the one that is accurate for non-Europeans and Europeans with significant non-Euro. I've added Ashkenazi.


My place on your PCA is wrong, could you fix it? My placement on your map is a bit more northwest than it should be. Also, this is from my FTDNA data which uses more SNPs.

X-axis: 1405
Y-axis: 582
I don't know what you mean. Of course you're inaccurately placed, that's why I took you off the PCA. I can't fix it because this calculator is heavily weighted towards European components. Those coordinates are for the DIY static K15 PCA which as I've said will be accurate for you, but not this.

[FilhoV]

Sorry, but this PCA only really works well for Europeans. Adding full Levantines would stretch it out too much and they would be inaccurately placed anyway. The static K15 PCA is the one that is accurate for non-Europeans and Europeans with significant non-Euro. I've added Ashkenazi.


I don't know what you mean. Of course you're inaccurately placed, that's why I took you off the PCA. I can't fix it because this calculator is heavily weighted towards European components. Those coordinates are for the DIY static K15 PCA which as I've said will be accurate for you, but not this.

You mind running this half Kenyan an an half Italian on k15

https://imgur.com/a/qqhTHfc

[Pine]

Sorry, but this PCA only really works well for Europeans. Adding full Levantines would stretch it out too much and they would be inaccurately placed anyway. The static K15 PCA is the one that is accurate for non-Europeans and Europeans with significant non-Euro. I've added Ashkenazi.



I don't see the Ashkenazi. Do you mind adding Italian Jews and Sephardic Jews? They should fit near Ashkenazi.

[FilhoV]

Just added a few national averages from the Eurogenes spreadsheet to give the PCA shape; copy and paste your values (not from the Oracle) if you want to be added. The PCA will develop and become more correct and detailed as more people are added.

https://i.postimg.cc/90KsDK81/K13a.png

I could do this for another calculator too if people would like.


My Mexican colleague

Population
North_Atlantic 15.48
Baltic 6.18
West_Med 16.21
West_Asian 2.03
East_Med 8.79
Red_Sea 0.74
South_Asian 0.21
East_Asian -
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 42.93
Oceanian 0.16
Northeast_African 0.57
Sub-Saharan 3.65

[Vojnik]

Admix Results (sorted):


<tbody>
#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
24.01


2
Baltic
22.65


3
East_Med
19.19


4
West_Med
17.24


5
West_Asian
11.73


6
Red_Sea
4.35


7
Amerindian
0.72


8
Sub-Saharan
0.06


9
Northeast_African
0.05


10
South_Asian
0.01


</tbody>

[Adam Janossy]

If you do not mind, please include Stears as well.

North_Atlantic 28.20
Baltic 31.22
West_Med 12.91
West_Asian 10.92
East_Med 10.62
Red_Sea 0.76
South_Asian 2.02
East_Asian 0.25
Siberian 1.89
Amerindian 0.76
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.47
Sub-Saharan -

[J. Ketch]

I don't see the Ashkenazi. Do you mind adding Italian Jews and Sephardic Jews? They should fit near Ashkenazi.
https://i.postimg.cc/vZBq3HHV/march20c.png


If you do not mind, please include Stears as well.

North_Atlantic 28.20
Baltic 31.22
West_Med 12.91
West_Asian 10.92
East_Med 10.62
Red_Sea 0.76
South_Asian 2.02
East_Asian 0.25
Siberian 1.89
Amerindian 0.76
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.47
Sub-Saharan -
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

Is it normal for you to be closer to the Hungarian average than Stears?

[Pine]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZBq3HHV/march20c.png




Thanks!

[Stefanos.tasidis]

Can somebody explain how you make this kind of charts ?
Where do you get the coordinates for axis x,y ?
What programs do you use ?
I am totally lost here.

[Vasconcelos]

Can somebody explain how you make this kind of charts ?
Where do you get the coordinates for axis x,y ?
What programs do you use ?
I am totally lost here.

This isn't a cartesian graph, a PCA is something different. You can plot these things in PAST

[ph2ter]

Is it normal for you to be closer to the Hungarian average than Stears?

Can you plot my family:

North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub-Saharan
ph2ter_wife 32.29 33.74 12.26 9.91 7.07 0.46 1.82 1.1 0 1.16 0 0 0.19
ph2ter 33.1 34.98 12.26 7.75 6.51 2.23 1.09 0 0.36 1.33 0.38 0 0
ph2ter_dad 31.82 33.99 12.8 6.12 9.84 1.78 1.06 1.15 0.1 1.05 0.3 0 0
ph2ter_son 31.96 33.97 12.11 8.87 7.22 2.1 0.79 1.4 0 1.06 0 0 0.51

[Mingle]

I don't know what you mean. Of course you're inaccurately placed, that's why I took you off the PCA. I can't fix it because this calculator is heavily weighted towards European components. Those coordinates are for the DIY static K15 PCA which as I've said will be accurate for you, but not this.

Sorry, wrong thread. I thought this was the thread created by the Cypriot Turk. Ignore that post.

[Moje ime]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.33
2 Baltic 27.8
3 East_Med 16.06
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 Red_Sea 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.53
8 Northeast_African 0.51
9 Amerindian 0.44

[J. Ketch]

Can you plot my family:

North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_African Sub-Saharan
ph2ter_wife 32.29 33.74 12.26 9.91 7.07 0.46 1.82 1.1 0 1.16 0 0 0.19
ph2ter 33.1 34.98 12.26 7.75 6.51 2.23 1.09 0 0.36 1.33 0.38 0 0
ph2ter_dad 31.82 33.99 12.8 6.12 9.84 1.78 1.06 1.15 0.1 1.05 0.3 0 0
ph2ter_son 31.96 33.97 12.11 8.87 7.22 2.1 0.79 1.4 0 1.06 0 0 0.51
With pleasure, after all the times you've plotted me.

https://i.postimg.cc/t40qQT7L/ph2ter.png

[ph2ter]

With pleasure, after all the times you've plotted me.

https://i.postimg.cc/t40qQT7L/ph2ter.png

Thank you very much. It is nice when someone plots me.
(Only if I knew your other name.)

[Ford]

How much does the resolution of the plot change when you put in new samples? I noticed a slight western shift for my part relative to Dick after you put in ph2ter's family.

[Vojnik]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZBq3HHV/march20c.png



Thanks for adding me. Interesting I'm more north then Bulgarians. I feel like I'm more genetically inline with Macedonians from northern Macedonian cities like Skopje and Tetovo, rather then native region on Northern Greece. Quite far from Macedonian member ***** for example.

[Dick]

Thanks for adding me. Interesting I'm more north then Bulgarians. I feel like I'm more genetically inline with Macedonians from northern Macedonian cities like Skopje and Tetovo, rather then native region on Northern Greece. Quite far from Macedonian member ***** for example.

Isn't ***** a slavicized Aromanian?

[Vojnik]

Isn't ***** a slavicized Aromanian?


I think he claims his particular village is a Vlach village. Not sure which grandparent.

[Pubiczar]

Isn't ***** a slavicized Aromanian?

Aren't you a Serbicized Croat Dick?
You look like Croat, you plot with Croats...

[Dick]

Aren't you a Serbicized Croat Dick?
You look like Croat, you plot with Croats...

Probably.

[Cumansky]

Probably.

Me too bruh, Albo Croat

[Adam Janossy]

https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

Is it normal for you to be closer to the Hungarian average than Stears?

Yes. He is very southeastern shifted Hungarian, more eastern than southern however (drifting towards Moldova, not Balkans). It is because he is half Székely who are Hungarian sub-group from Tranyslvania but genetically distinct from other Magyars.

[karakartal]

Hello there.

Population
North_Atlantic 13.87
Baltic 17.35
West_Med 17.16
West_Asian 15.00
East_Med 27.79
Red_Sea 2.51
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.81
Siberian 3.87
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.51
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13





Could you please add this?

[Kaspias]

Hello there.

Population
North_Atlantic 13.87
Baltic 17.35
West_Med 17.16
West_Asian 15.00
East_Med 27.79
Red_Sea 2.51
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.81
Siberian 3.87
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.51
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13





Could you please add this?

Bu kim

[Pubiczar]

Thanks for adding me. Interesting I'm more north then Bulgarians. I feel like I'm more genetically inline with Macedonians from northern Macedonian cities like Skopje and Tetovo, rather then native region on Northern Greece. Quite far from Macedonian member ***** for example.

You are not that different, we are still close on the PCA.
The thing is, you have inflated North Atlantic component for some reason which also showed up in your K36 report.
Otherwise, you are well into the Macedonian cluster...

[HungryLion]

You are not that different, we are still close on the PCA.
The thing is, you have inflated North Atlantic component for some reason which also showed up in your K36 report.
Otherwise, you are well into the Macedonian cluster...

Maybe he have proud proto serbian I2a1b, so he seems like as macedonian should be..Other guys is kinda to much south:rolleyes2:

[Pubiczar]

Maybe he have proud proto serbian I2a1b, so he seems like as macedonian should be..Other guys is kinda to much south:rolleyes2:

He is most probably I-Z17855, nothing to do with the Serbian PH908!

[Vojnik]

You are not that different, we are still close on the PCA.
The thing is, you have inflated North Atlantic component for some reason which also showed up in your K36 report.
Otherwise, you are well into the Macedonian cluster...

You're right. I overestimated the distance. I'd love to compile all the Macedonian samples i can and create a pc map. Hmmmm.

[HungryLion]

He is most probably I-Z17855, nothing to do with the Serbian PH908!

Maybe, maybe not :eek:

[Vojnik]

He is most probably I-Z17855, nothing to do with the Serbian PH908!


End of the day, all I2a1b subclades are recently related anyway, aren't they? Eastern Euro in origin.

http://blog.vayda.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/I2a-Dinaric-Z17855-frequency-per-country.jpg

[Pubiczar]

End of the day, all I2a1b subclades are recently related anyway, aren't they? Eastern Euro in origin.

http://blog.vayda.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/I2a-Dinaric-Z17855-frequency-per-country.jpg

Yeah, at the end of the day we all come from Africa.

But the devil is in the details, and some specific markers are only typical for some ethnic groups!

[J. Ketch]

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.33
2 Baltic 27.8
3 East_Med 16.06
4 West_Med 14.61
5 West_Asian 9.58
6 Red_Sea 1.14
7 Oceanian 0.53
8 Northeast_African 0.51
9 Amerindian 0.44

Hello there.

Population
North_Atlantic 13.87
Baltic 17.35
West_Med 17.16
West_Asian 15.00
East_Med 27.79
Red_Sea 2.51
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.81
Siberian 3.87
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.51
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13





Could you please add this?
https://i.postimg.cc/85jkkDx3/MAR21.png



How much does the resolution of the plot change when you put in new samples? I noticed a slight western shift for my part relative to Dick after you put in ph2ter's family.
Not sure, I think it changes a little when you put in new ones or take them out, but it might also be a perspective thing from zooming in or out.

[Vojnik]

Yeah, at the end of the day we all come from Africa.

But the devil is in the details, and some specific markers are only typical for some ethnic groups!

Yeah but the emergence from Africa was 70,000 years ago? We are talking about the fragmenting of I2a1b here. I2a1b came into the Balkans no longer then 2000 years ago. So even if I2a1b divided into smaller subclades, it surely didn't happen that long ago.

[FilhoV]

Just added a few national averages from the Eurogenes spreadsheet to give the PCA shape; copy and paste your values (not from the Oracle) if you want to be added. The PCA will develop and become more correct and detailed as more people are added.

https://i.postimg.cc/90KsDK81/K13a.png

I could do this for another calculator too if people would like.

Mate plot this Al Andalus kit

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.57
2 West_Med 22.61
3 East_Med 17.57
4 Baltic 12.6
5 Red_Sea 8.16
6 Northeast_African 6.08
7 Siberian 1.99
8 East_Asian 0.4
9 Amerindian 0.02

[karakartal]

North_Atlantic 15.60 Pct
Baltic 16.15 Pct
West_Med 15.19 Pct
West_Asian 18.13 Pct
East_Med 23.23 Pct
Red_Sea 4.23 Pct
South_Asian 0.90 Pct
East_Asian 0.75 Pct
Siberian 4.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

UNDER DEVELOPMENT:


Could you please add this? Thanks.

[karakartal]

North_Atlantic 15.60 Pct
Baltic 16.15 Pct
West_Med 15.19 Pct
West_Asian 18.13 Pct
East_Med 23.23 Pct
Red_Sea 4.23 Pct
South_Asian 0.90 Pct
East_Asian 0.75 Pct
Siberian 4.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

UNDER DEVELOPMENT:


Could you please add this? Thanks.