Yaglakar's FTDNA autosomal results

[Yaglakar]

Once the raw data becomes available, I will post gedmatch results in another thread.

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[Ryuk]

Congrats.A mix of east european(tochar) and siberian(turkic) with some MENA farmer.Typical Uyghur.

[El_Abominacion]

Very cool, do you mind sharing your 23andMe/AncestryDNA results?

[Leto]

Cool, I've been waiting for your results. That's a lot of white ancestry, as much as 1/5! :cool: Other than that, a true Türük.

[Leto]

Once the raw data becomes available, I will post gedmatch results in another thread.

Better post them right here.

[Yaglakar]

Very cool, do you mind sharing your 23andMe/AncestryDNA results?

My 23andme kit was rejected so I opted for ftdna. 23andme/ancestrydna only accept kits from the US and a few select countries. They refuse to process the kits sent to them from elsewhere.

[Yaglakar]

Better post them right here.

good point. better keep everything intact in one thread. I will also post updates on my y-dna and mtdna here as soon as ftdna makes them available to me.

[Leto]

good point. better keep everything intact in one thread. I will also post updates on my y-dna and mtdna here as soon as ftdna makes them available to me.
So you also ordered haplogroup tests?
How long did the testing take? 3 weeks or more?

[Yaglakar]

So you also ordered haplogroup tests?
How long did the testing take? 3 weeks or more?

Yes, y-dna and mtdna as well. Autosomal results took about 2 weeks after the kit got batched, and the kit was marked "received" the day earlier, on the same day US postal service delivered it. Earliest expected date for results was marked as 6th of February, so they posted the results several days earlier than the expected date. Earliest expected date for the haplogroups is 27th this month.

[Iloko]

Uyghur has British-isles DNA too it seems..interesting!

[Leto]

Yes, y-dna and mtdna as well. Autosomal results took about 2 weeks after the kit got batched, and the kit was marked "received" the day earlier, on the same day US postal service delivered it. Earliest expected date for results was marked as 6th of February, so they posted the results several days earlier than the expected date. Earliest expected date for the haplogroups is 27th this month.
That's real quick. Mine took 3 weeks.
So what are your GM results? I would recommend Eurogenes, Dodecad, punt and Harappa for starters.

[Yaglakar]

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 23.22
2 West_Asian 21.10
3 East_Asian 19.73
4 Baltic 11.77
5 North_Atlantic 7.75
6 South_Asian 7.42
7 East_Med 3.52
8 West_Med 3.32
9 Amerindian 1.44

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uygur @ 7.461572
2 Uzbeki @ 7.535114
3 Hazara @ 8.102642
4 Aghan_Hazara @ 9.347970
5 Afghan_Turkmen @ 10.495739
6 Kazakh @ 16.716438
7 Kirgiz @ 18.502598
8 Nogay @ 19.026899
9 Shors @ 24.824387
10 Afghan_Tadjik @ 25.552593
11 Hakas @ 26.183613
12 Tadjik @ 27.715981
13 Turkmen @ 28.062618
14 Altaian @ 29.518332
15 Mongolian @ 32.568478
16 Tatar @ 33.156990
17 Kabardin @ 36.714367
18 Balkar @ 36.903889
19 Kumyk @ 37.124500
20 Afghan_Pashtun @ 37.707096

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Turkmen + 50% Uygur @ 4.540768


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hazara +25% Kazakh +25% Nogay @ 3.658217

puntDNAL K13 Global

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Asia 20.82
2 West_Asia 20.52
3 Siberia 17.74
4 NE_Europe 16.67
5 SW_Europe 9.17
6 South_Asia 5.73
7 SE_Asia 4.60
8 SW_Asia 2.53
9 Americas 1.52


Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Hazara @ 9.550097
2 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 17.841652
3 Nogay @ 18.620682
4 Tadjik @ 26.973024
5 Altaian @ 29.382971
6 Kumyk @ 30.115026
7 Turkish_Aydin @ 30.449297
8 Tatar @ 31.766092
9 Balkar @ 32.263031
10 Romani @ 34.939304
11 Mongolian @ 35.324509
12 Burusho @ 35.699280
13 Turkish @ 35.987118
14 Ossetian @ 36.124393
15 Dagestan_Azeri @ 36.510609
16 Afghan_Pashtun @ 36.562080
17 Chuvash @ 36.577686
18 Turkish_Kayseri @ 36.738289
19 Adygei @ 37.798653
20 Chechen @ 37.883808

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Chechen +50% Mongolian @ 8.403947


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Afghan_Uzbeki +25% Daur +25% Tatar @ 3.436663

HarappaWorld

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 23.74
2 Siberian 15.95
3 Baloch 15.95
4 NE-Euro 15.28
5 Caucasian 12.55
6 Mediterranean 5.15
7 S-Indian 3.79
8 SE-Asian 3.17
9 SW-Asian 1.98
10 Beringian 1.78


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 uzbek_behar @ 6.712951
2 uyghur_hgdp @ 7.997912
3 hazara_hgdp @ 9.893627
4 kazakh_harappa @ 16.149675
5 kyrgyz_xing @ 19.120657
6 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 20.366482
7 tajik_yunusbayev @ 27.266777
8 altaian_rasmussen @ 27.737934
9 turkmen_yunusbayev @ 27.884386
10 nogai_yunusbayev @ 28.840466
11 mongolian_rasmussen @ 31.736101
12 nepalese-c_xing @ 35.466320
13 brahmin-uttaranchal_metspalu @ 35.494503
14 turk-aydin_hodoglugil @ 36.027660
15 pashtun_harappa @ 36.624531
16 romanian-b_behar @ 37.988602
17 burusho_hgdp @ 38.818291
18 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 39.536499
19 stalskoe_xing @ 40.013981
20 nepalese-b_xing @ 40.442787

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% uyghur_hgdp +50% uzbek_behar @ 4.954833


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% hazara_hgdp +25% kyrgyz_xing +25% serbian_harappa @ 4.911549


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 altaian_rasmussen + kalash_hgdp + serbian_harappa + xibo_hgdp @ 3.124948
2 altaian_rasmussen + bulgarian_yunusbayev + kalash_hgdp + mongola_hgdp @ 3.134278
3 altaian_rasmussen + kalash_hgdp + romanian-a_behar + xibo_hgdp @ 3.134746
4 hezhen_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + serbian_harappa @ 3.152703
5 altaian_rasmussen + bulgarian_yunusbayev + kalash_hgdp + xibo_hgdp @ 3.153732
6 altaian_rasmussen + kalash_hgdp + mongola_hgdp + romanian-a_behar @ 3.190452
7 altaian_rasmussen + kalash_hgdp + mongola_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 3.224300
8 daur_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + serbian_harappa @ 3.316000
9 hezhen_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + serbian_harappa @ 3.332216
10 daur_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + serbian_harappa @ 3.475959
11 altaian_rasmussen + bulgarian_yunusbayev + mongola_hgdp + pathan_hgdp @ 3.489258
12 balochi_hgdp + hezhen_hgdp + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + serbian_harappa @ 3.494880
13 hezhen_hgdp + kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + romanian-a_behar @ 3.544650
14 altaian_rasmussen + bulgarian_yunusbayev + pathan_hgdp + xibo_hgdp @ 3.558296
15 kalash_hgdp + mongola_hgdp + mongolian_rasmussen + serbian_harappa @ 3.595227
16 balochi_hgdp + daur_hgdp + kyrgyz_hodoglugil + serbian_harappa @ 3.598730
17 hezhen_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + pathan_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 3.609870
18 balochi_hgdp + hezhen_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + serbian_harappa @ 3.621826
19 kalash_hgdp + kyrgyz_xing + mongola_hgdp + serbian_harappa @ 3.627071
20 altaian_rasmussen + mongola_hgdp + pathan_hgdp + romanian-a_behar @ 3.663771

[Yaglakar]

MDLP K23b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Tungus-Altaic 18.75
2 Caucasian 14.70
3 South_Central_Asian 14.13
4 South_East_Asian 12.07
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 10.00
6 East_Siberian 9.38
7 Ancestral_Altaic 5.26
8 South_Indian 4.17
9 European_Early_Farmers 3.21
10 Austronesian 3.03
11 Near_East 2.81
12 Amerindian 1.07


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Uzbek_ @ 6.041761
2 Uygur-Han_ @ 7.056984
3 Uygur_ @ 8.394326
4 Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 9.674314
5 Karakalpak_ @ 9.925723
6 Hazara_ @ 10.551572
7 Turkmen_Afghan_ @ 10.859224
8 Kazahs_ @ 12.290255
9 Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 13.332816
10 Tatar-Siberian_ @ 15.269883
11 Kazakh_ @ 17.593042
12 Kyrgyz_Bishkek_ @ 20.518490
13 Crimean_Tatar_Step_ @ 21.162485
14 Tajik_Afghan_ @ 21.672939
15 Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 23.515797
16 Bashkir_ @ 24.067299
17 Kyrgyz_ @ 24.073681
18 Nogai_ @ 24.168926
19 Tatar_Lithuania_ @ 27.606901
20 Spiti_ @ 28.596659

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Karakalpak_ +50% Uygur-Han_ @ 4.661571


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Tajik_Afghan_ +25% Xibo_ +25% Yukagir_Forest_ @ 3.922888


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bashkir_ + Mongola_China_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ @ 3.071654
2 Chuvashs_ + Hazara_ + Iranian_ + Mongola_China_ @ 3.133020
3 Bashkir_ + Mongola_China_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 3.172473
4 Kazahs_ + Uygur-Han_ + Uzbek_ + Uzbek_ @ 3.179619
5 Chuvashs_ + Kazahs_ + Mongola_China_ + Parsi_ @ 3.209824
6 Bashkir_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Uzbek_Afghan_ + Xibo_ @ 3.327271
7 Bashkir_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ + Xibo_ @ 3.372376
8 Hazara_ + Iranian_ + Mari_ + Xibo_ @ 3.383406
9 Even_ + Korean_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Tajik_Yagnobi_ @ 3.403686
10 Chuvashs_ + Hazara_ + Mongola_China_ + Parsi_ @ 3.413556
11 Hazara_ + Iranian_ + Mari_ + Mongola_China_ @ 3.418961
12 Hazara_ + Mari_ + Parsi_ + Xibo_ @ 3.462628
13 Chuvashs_ + Kazahs_ + Parsi_ + Xibo_ @ 3.465991
14 Bashkir_ + Karakalpak_ + Mongola_China_ + Parsi_ @ 3.539659
15 Kazahs_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ + Uygur-Han_ + Uzbek_ @ 3.547114
16 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Tajik_Afghan_ + Turkmen_Uzbekistan_ @ 3.551188
17 Chuvashs_ + Mongol_Khalkha_ + Parsi_ + Uygur_ @ 3.551988
18 Hazara_ + Mari_ + Mongola_China_ + Parsi_ @ 3.553113
19 Chuvashs_ + Mongola_China_ + Parsi_ + Uygur_ @ 3.559124
20 Bashkir_ + Iranian_ + Mongola_China_ + Tajik_Tajikistan_ @ 3.567106

[Yaglakar]

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Post Eurogenes ANE K7

[Leto]

Please use the regular oracle, not the 4 pop mode. And post Dodecad K12b too. Punt K15 has an Uyghur reference too.

By the way, are you a full Uyghur from Almaty oblast?

[Yaglakar]

Post Eurogenes ANE K7

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[Leto]

It's very interesting, you are so Eastern geographically, yet you have a considerable amount of European admixture.

1 NE-Asian 23.74
2 Siberian 15.95
3 Baloch 15.95
4 NE-Euro 15.28
5 Caucasian 12.55
6 Mediterranean 5.15
7 S-Indian 3.79
8 SE-Asian 3.17
9 SW-Asian 1.98
10 Beringian 1.78

50.9% West Eurasian

[Yaglakar]

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 21.47
2 SouthEastAsian 20.75
3 Caucasian 18.22
4 Indian 12.81
5 Steppe 9.86
6 NorthEastEuropean 7.47
7 Neolithic 5.91
8 Amerindian 1.74
9 Arctic 1.25
10 NearEast 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uygur (Xinjiang) 4.95
2 Uygur (Uzbekistan) 5.04
3 Uzbek (Uzbekistan) 6.56
4 Hazara (Baluchistan) 6.74
5 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 8.25
6 Turkmen (Shumanay) 9.22
7 Turkmen (Xojayli) 10.38
8 Kyrgyz (Murgab) 12.38
9 Turkmen (Afghanistan) 12.8
10 Kazakh (Tien_Shan) 13.43
11 Hazara (Afghanistan) 13.51
12 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 14.52
13 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 14.7
14 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 14.97
15 Bashkir (Ufa) 15.72
16 Bashkir (Bashkortostan) 16.27
17 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 17.35
18 Bashkir (Kildigulovo) 17.54
19 Kyrgyz (Tong) 17.7
20 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 18.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 25.2% Lipka_Tatar (Belorus) @ 1.97
2 86.5% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.5% Hungarian (Hungary) @ 2.29
3 86.3% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.7% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.3
4 86.3% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.7% Croat (Croatia) @ 2.3
5 90.5% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.5% Irish (Leinster) @ 2.31
6 90.5% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.5% Scottish (Borders) @ 2.31
7 86.3% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.7% Slovenian (Slovenia) @ 2.32
8 86.1% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.9% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.32
9 86.1% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.9% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.33
10 90.1% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.9% Irish (Ireland) @ 2.35
11 87.2% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 12.8% Kryashen (Bashkortostan) @ 2.35
12 86.2% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 13.8% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 2.36
13 90.9% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.1% French (France) @ 2.36
14 85.7% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 14.3% Moldavian (Molodva) @ 2.36
15 90.7% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.3% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) @ 2.36
16 90.3% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.7% German (Germany) @ 2.38
17 90.4% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.6% Welsh (Wales) @ 2.39
18 90.7% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 9.3% Swede (Sweden) @ 2.39
19 85.9% Hazara (Baluchistan) + 14.1% Romanian (Apuseni) @ 2.4
20 85.9% Uygur (Xinjiang) + 14.1% Tatars (Tatarstan) @ 2.4

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 23.6
2 Gedrosia 16.27
3 Siberian 15.71
4 North_European 14.91
5 Caucasus 11.56
6 Southeast_Asian 5.69
7 Atlantic_Med 5.6
8 South_Asian 4.3
9 Southwest_Asian 2.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbeks (Behar) 6.65
2 Uygur (HGDP) 9.81
3 Hazara (HGDP) 10.48
4 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 26.61
5 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 27.69
6 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 28.04
7 Altai (Rasmussen) 32.15
8 Mongol (Rasmussen) 34.83
9 Burusho (HGDP) 38.8
10 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 40.05
11 Turks (Behar) 41.5
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 41.8
13 Iranians (Behar) 41.94
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 42.08
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 42.34
16 Chuvashs (Behar) 42.4
17 Pathan (HGDP) 42.92
18 Tuva (Rasmussen) 43.77
19 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 43.89
20 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 44.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93% Uzbeks (Behar) + 7% KHV30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.17
2 93% Uzbeks (Behar) + 7% Lahu (HGDP) @ 3.22
3 93.6% Uzbeks (Behar) + 6.4% CDX30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.25
4 93.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 6.2% Dai (HGDP) @ 3.29
5 91.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 8.2% Miaozu (HGDP) @ 3.71
6 91.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 8.2% CHS30 (SGVP) @ 3.72
7 94.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 5.9% MAS30 (SGVP) @ 3.79
8 94.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 5.7% Cambodians (HGDP) @ 3.85
9 91.8% Uzbeks (Behar) + 8.2% She (HGDP) @ 3.85
10 89.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 10.7% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 3.9
11 92.9% Uzbeks (Behar) + 7.1% PANIYA (Behar) @ 3.95
12 92% Uzbeks (Behar) + 8% Han (HGDP) @ 4.11
13 90% Uzbeks (Behar) + 10% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.16
14 92.2% Uzbeks (Behar) + 7.8% Tujia (HGDP) @ 4.35
15 92.3% Uzbeks (Behar) + 7.7% CHD30 (Metspalu) @ 4.44
16 91.1% Uzbeks (Behar) + 8.9% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 4.64
17 83.8% Hazara (HGDP) + 16.2% Hungarians (Behar) @ 4.76
18 82.6% Hazara (HGDP) + 17.4% Romanians (Behar) @ 4.83
19 82.8% Hazara (HGDP) + 17.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.85
20 82.5% Hazara (HGDP) + 17.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 4.9

puntDNAL K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 E_Asian 27.62
2 Caucasian 20.51
3 NE_European 17.89
4 Siberian 13.82
5 S_Indian 7.52
6 Mediterranean 6.74
7 SW_Asian 2.53
8 Beringian 1.71
9 Amerindian 0.84
10 Oceanian 0.54
11 Horn_Of_Africa 0.26
12 Omo_River 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uyghur 6.92
2 Hazara 8.94
3 Uzbek 17.33
4 Turkmen 22.08
5 Nogai 23.86
6 Bashkir 27.34
7 Tadjik 27.94
8 Mongolian 29.8
9 Pashtun 32.86
10 Romani 37.14
11 Burusho 37.3
12 Kumyk 38.37
13 Chechen 39.12
14 Balkar 39.16
15 Turk_Kayseri 40.53
16 Pathan 40.59
17 Iranian 40.8
18 Chuvash 40.94
19 North_Ossetian 40.99
20 Turk_Istanbul 41.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Uyghur + 9.1% Austrian @ 4.82
2 90.7% Uyghur + 9.3% Hungarian @ 4.85
3 91.8% Uyghur + 8.2% Polish @ 4.85
4 90.6% Uyghur + 9.4% Croatian @ 4.86
5 92.4% Uyghur + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 4.87
6 91% Uyghur + 9% Slovenian @ 4.88
7 92% Uyghur + 8% Belarusian @ 4.88
8 91.3% Uyghur + 8.7% Irish @ 4.91
9 91.6% Uyghur + 8.4% Norwegian @ 4.91
10 91.7% Uyghur + 8.3% Swedish @ 4.91
11 91.4% Uyghur + 8.6% Orcadian @ 4.91
12 91.4% Uyghur + 8.6% North_German @ 4.92
13 91.6% Uyghur + 8.4% Scottish @ 4.93
14 91.5% Uyghur + 8.5% English @ 4.94
15 91.3% Uyghur + 8.7% South_German @ 4.99
16 91.4% Uyghur + 8.6% Utahn_White @ 4.99
17 90.5% Uyghur + 9.5% Serbian @ 5
18 90% Uyghur + 10% Bosnian @ 5.04
19 91.4% Uyghur + 8.6% French @ 5.09
20 92.1% Uyghur + 7.9% Russian @ 5.17

[Yaglakar]

Please use the regular oracle, not the 4 pop mode. And post Dodecad K12b too. Punt K15 has an Uyghur reference too.

By the way, are you a full Uyghur from Almaty oblast?

I think Central Asian population references are not accurate because sample sizes are very small. A few weeks ago I took a look at Dodecad project and sample sizes are like 5-10 people for Central Asia. I mean Kipchaq Uzbeks who descend from Uzbek horde are very different from Samarqand or Bukhara ones and northern Uyghurs of Xinjiang are quite different from southern ones. They even descend from entirely different medieval states. Half of my ancestry is from southern Xinjiang and another half from northern. Both my father's and mother's side moved to Soviet Union in 1950s which makes us recent immigrants. I did not speak Russian until the age of 7-8 because I grew up with my grandfather. But now my command of Russian is probably better than yours. :D

[Turul Karom]

Congratulations on the punctual results, my brother, and know that we wish you all the best in the world.

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[Leto]

I think Central Asian population references are not accurate because sample sizes are very small. A few weeks ago I took a look at Dodecad project and sample sizes are like 5-10 people for Central Asia. I mean Kipchaq Uzbeks who descend from Uzbek horde are very different from Samarqand or Bukhara ones and northern Uyghurs of Xinjiang are quite different from southern ones. They even descend from entirely different medieval states. Half of my ancestry is from southern Xinjiang and another half from northern. Both my father's and mother's side moved to Soviet Union in 1950s which makes us recent immigrants. I did not speak Russian until the age of 7-8 because I grew up with my grandfather. But now my command of Russian is probably better than yours. :D
Do you also speak Kazakh?

[Leto]

I think Central Asian population references are not accurate because sample sizes are very small. A few weeks ago I took a look at Dodecad project and sample sizes are like 5-10 people for Central Asia. I mean Kipchaq Uzbeks who descend from Uzbek horde are very different from Samarqand or Bukhara ones and northern Uyghurs of Xinjiang are quite different from southern ones. They even descend from entirely different medieval states.
Uzbeks on GEDmatch are around 40% mongoloid. I don't know but the ones I've seen in Russia were often pretty dark, very brown. Like they have some South Asian admixture or something. But then again, 45% of Uzbekistan's population lives in the East (Andijan, Fergana, Namangan, Tashkent and the city of Tashkent).

[Yaglakar]

Do you also speak Kazakh?

On a conversational level, yes. something like b1-b2.

[Leto]

On a conversational level, yes. something like b1-b2.
So Uyghurs in KZ are mostly Russian-speaking?

[Yaglakar]

Uzbeks on GEDmatch are around 40% mongoloid. I don't know but the ones I've seen in Russia were often pretty dark, very brown. Like they have some South Asian admixture or something. But then again, 45% of Uzbekistan's population lives in the East (Andijan, Fergana, Namangan, Tashkent and the city of Tashkent).

Uzbekistan was one of the large centers of Iranic world before the Mongols wrecked the place. Sogdians were very prominent in ancient history. They were basically everywhere China, Mongolia, Caucasus. A large part of west eurasian and south asian heritage in Central Asians is likely from them.

[Yaglakar]

So Uyghurs in KZ are mostly Russian-speaking?

Yes. Uyghurs don't send their kids to Kyrgyz or Kazakh schools. Plus, great majority live in cities where lingua franca is Russian.

[Leto]

Yes. Uyghurs don't send their kids to Kyrgyz or Kazakh schools. Plus, great majority live in cities where lingua franca is Russian.
But over 95% live in Almaty oblast and the city of Almaty, according to Wikipedia. Those are clearly Kazakh majority places. Do you guys get along with Kazakhs?
There was a guy from KZ on TA, Hochmeister. He was European (Russian + some German and Greek), he said it was a damn sultanate now, under Nazarbayev and he didn't feel home there xD

[Leto]

@Yaglakar, you can take a look at ButlerKing's thread about Uyghurs. The guy is actually South Asian and also pretty retarded :rolleyes:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274742-Uyghurs-What-is-their-real-Mongoloid-Caucasian-admixture-on-average&highlight=Uyghurs

[Yaglakar]

But over 95% live in Almaty oblast and the city of Almaty, according to Wikipedia. Those are clearly Kazakh majority places. Do you guys get along with Kazakhs?
There was a guy from KZ on TA, Hochmeister. He was European (Russian + some German and Greek), he said it was a damn sultanate now, under Nazarbayev and he didn't feel home there xD

I don't know about sultanate thingy, Kazakhstan as a state is secular and authoritarian, similar to Russia with some distinct tribal elements here and there. This is more or less Soviet heritage. I think on a personal level, Uyghurs and Kazakhs get along, but recently with the spread of ethno-nationalism central asian turkics are distancing themselves from others claiming common historical heritage or the heritage of others in the region. Many trolls on the internet. I am also seeing increased hatred between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz on the net.


@Yaglakar, you can take a look at ButlerKing's thread about Uyghurs. The guy is actually South Asian and also pretty retarded :rolleyes:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?274742-Uyghurs-What-is-their-real-Mongoloid-Caucasian-admixture-on-average&highlight=Uyghurs

Butlerking is hilarious. He adds colour to the forum. Marmara has a good set of retarded quotes posted by forum members, and in one instance he quoted Butlerking. I laughed for good ten minutes. :D There he states that to create a successful and beautiful offspring, south asian male has to sleep with a white euro female. xD Butlerking wants a white girl, can't get one therefore is obsessed with Caucasoidness.

[Leto]

I don't know about sultanate thingy, Kazakhstan as a state is secular and authoritarian, similar to Russia with some distinct tribal elements here and there. This is more or less Soviet heritage.
Yeah, but in the 70s KZ was over 50% Slavic and German with Northern and Eastern parts being even more than that. Russians and Soviets founded most cities because the Kazakhs were not a sedentary urban culture traditionally. There's nothing wrong with that but it's dishonest if they claim what they didn't found.


I think on a personal level, Uyghurs and Kazakhs get along, but recently with the spread of ethno-nationalism central asian turkics are distancing themselves from others claiming common historical heritage or the heritage of others in the region. Many trolls on the internet. I am also seeing increased hatred between Kazakhs and Kyrgyz on the net.
I have no problem with sane nationalism and foreign countries' issues and struggles are not my business (even if I may have a personal opinion on this and that) but I do object to immigrant nationalism in host countries (in Russia for example). Central Asian rivalries have no place in Russia.

Anyway, this discussion is off-topic, I don't wanna derail the thread any further.

[Yaglakar]

Yeah, but in the 70s KZ was over 50% Slavic and German with Northern and Eastern parts being even more than that. Russians and Soviets founded most cities because the Kazakhs were not a sedentary urban culture traditionally. There's nothing wrong with that but it's dishonest if they claim what they didn't found.

Yes that is recent history. If one looks a few hundred back, there was population displacement going on. Kazakh like peoples lived beyond the northern border of Kazakhstan, and they were displaced by the Russian empire, and Russians settled in. But Kazakhs themselves also expanded their "lebenstraum" settling in former Oirat lands (eastern Kazakhstan) after Oirats were slaughtered by Manchurians and Kalkha Mongols. Original Kazakhs are also from south central asia, they exited the Uzbek (Turco-Mongol) horde. Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Karakalpaks have common historical heritage.


I have no problem with sane nationalism and foreign countries' issues and struggles are not my business (even if I may have a personal opinion on this and that) but I do object to immigrant nationalism in host countries (in Russia for example). Central Asian rivalries have no place in Russia.

Anyway, this discussion is off-topic, I don't wanna derail the thread any further.

Me neither. But I am increasingly disliking central asian Turkics for stealing our historical heritage. Being ethno-centrist is one thing but claiming the history of others in process of forging an identity is another.

[Leto]

Yes that is recent history. If one looks a few hundred back, there was population displacement going on. Kazakh like peoples lived beyond the northern border of Kazakhstan, and they were displaced by the Russian empire, and Russians settled in. But Kazakhs themselves also expanded their "lebenstraum" settling in former Oirat lands (eastern Kazakhstan) after Oirats were slaughtered by Manchurians and Kalkha Mongols.

Siberia before the Russians was very sparsely populated and there was basically no urban civilization there either. Even as late as the early 18th century there were less than 500,000 people on the giant swaths of territory between Tyumen and Irkustsk.

Original Kazakhs are also from south central asia, they exited the Uzbek (Turco-Mongol) horde. Uzbeks, Kazakhs and Karakalpaks have common historical heritage.
Interesting. Do you think there are genetic differences between Kazakhs in different regions of Kazakhstan? Most Kazakhs still live in the West and South.

Me neither. But I am increasingly disliking central asian Turkics for stealing our historical heritage. Being ethno-centrist is one thing but claiming the history of others in process of forging an identity is another.
Yeah, that's true. Though I know little about the history of CA. I know that it was originally Iranic-speaking and even after the Turkics came the Persian language and culture remained dominant and presitigious for many centuries. Basically it was the Bolsheviks who created the modern nations and borders.

[Yaglakar]

Siberia before the Russians was very sparsely populated and there was basically no urban civilization there either. Even as late as the early 18th century there were less than 500,000 people on the giant swaths of territory between Tyumen and Irkustsk.

Yenisei Kirghiz were fighting the Russian empire with bows and arrows for a very protracted period, close to a hundred years like Circassians. I mean if they fought the Russians for such a long period of time, maybe they did not want to become part of Russian empire and did not want their land to become settled by foreigners? :) But Kazakhs submitted willingly though, after continuous onslaught of Oirat Mongols. Let's leave it here, let's agree to disagree.


Interesting. Do you think there are genetic differences between Kazakhs in different regions of Kazakhstan? Most Kazakhs still live in the West and South.

Unlikely, the original Uzbek horde was very Mongoloid. Some left for Uzbekistan and others became Kazakhs. Kazakhs really don't have any regional language differences because they expanded from the same area. And again we come to the question of validity of these population references, which Uzbek was tested, the descendant of Uzbek horde or local turkified Tajik or local Turk descending from Turki population of former Kwarezm empire.


Yeah, that's true. Though I know little about the history of CA. I know that it was originally Iranic-speaking and even after the Turkics came the Persian language and culture remained dominant and presitigious for many centuries. Basically it was the Bolsheviks who created the modern nations and borders.

No, it is not about that. If I go into details you won't understand half the things I say. But yes, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan were east-Iranic speaking, then came perso-arab muslims mixed with them and made them Persian speaking, many who did not want to convert to Islam ran to Mongolia and Xinjiang.

[Leto]

Yenisei Kirghiz were fighting the Russian empire with bows and arrows for a very protracted period, close to a hundred years like Circassians. I mean if they fought the Russians for such a long period of time, maybe they did not want to become part of Russian empire and did not want their land to become settled by foreigners? :) But Kazakhs submitted willingly though, after continuous onslaught of Oirat Mongols. Let's leave it here, let's agree to disagree.

Sure but wait, were there any Yenisei Kirghiz in the 17th century? I thought there were only Siberian Tatars back then. Weren't the Yenisei Kighiz some medieval population?

Unlikely, the original Uzbek horde was very Mongoloid. Some left for Uzbekistan and others became Kazakhs. Kazakhs really don't have any regional language differences because they expanded from the same area.
Kazakhs are about 60% Mongoloid on GED while Kyrgyz are more like 65%. Some Kyrgyz are as much as 70% from what I've seen. I thought Northern Kazakhs should be more Altaian-like, shouldn't they? There are over 600,000 Kazakhs in Russia by the way (native communities in the Volga-Ural and Western Siberian regions, not immigrants).

And again we come to the question of validity of these population references, which Uzbek was tested, the descendant of Uzbek horde or local turkified Tajik or local Turk descending from Turki population of former Kwarezm empire.
Given that most Uzbeks live in the four eastern viloyats plus the city of Toshkent (~45% of the total population) I would assume that the samples were also taken somewhere in that part of UZ.

[Chaos One]

I think Central Asian population references are not accurate because sample sizes are very small. A few weeks ago I took a look at Dodecad project and sample sizes are like 5-10 people for Central Asia. I mean Kipchaq Uzbeks who descend from Uzbek horde are very different from Samarqand or Bukhara ones and northern Uyghurs of Xinjiang are quite different from southern ones. They even descend from entirely different medieval states. Half of my ancestry is from southern Xinjiang and another half from northern. Both my father's and mother's side moved to Soviet Union in 1950s which makes us recent immigrants. I did not speak Russian until the age of 7-8 because I grew up with my grandfather. But now my command of Russian is probably better than yours. :D

Indeed they are. I can't find gedmatch samples of Tajiks for example, so I can make more One to Onr comparisons. That makes my conclusions about my Central Asian background a bit blank.

[Yaglakar]

Sure but wait, were there any Yenisei Kirghiz in the 17th century? I thought there were only Siberian Tatars back then. Weren't the Yenisei Kighiz some medieval population?

Well, Tatar in Russian records is like Scythian in Greek ones, basically means everyone and therefore no one. :) Yes, there were Yenisei Kirghiz in 17th century, they were part of Oirat confederation. Some died fighting Russians, others were deported by Oirats and got assimilated in other populations. Yenisei Kirghiz dissapeared in this very turmoil, some Khakassian scholars say that modern Khakass population is of Kashmyt origin, the local population who paid tribute to Yenisei Kirghiz along with several other local Siberian populations.


Kazakhs are about 60% Mongoloid on GED while Kyrgyz are more like 65%. Some Kyrgyz are as much as 70% from what I've seen. I thought Northern Kazakhs should be more Altaian-like, shouldn't they? There are over 600,000 Kazakhs in Russia by the way (native communities in the Volga-Ural and Western Siberian regions, not immigrants).


Yes because they absorbed steppe herders living in those areas.

[Yaglakar]

Indeed they are. I can't find gedmatch samples of Tajiks for example, so I can make more One to Onr comparisons. That makes my conclusions about my Central Asian background a bit blank.

What are your conclusions based on? My matches on ftdna give me surnames like Kotovskiy, Brovko, Åman - 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin. I don't know how accurate this is though.

[Mingle]

Unlikely, the original Uzbek horde was very Mongoloid. Some left for Uzbekistan and others became Kazakhs. Kazakhs really don't have any regional language differences because they expanded from the same area. And again we come to the question of validity of these population references, which Uzbek was tested, the descendant of Uzbek horde or local turkified Tajik or local Turk descending from Turki population of former Kwarezm empire.



No, it is not about that. If I go into details you won't understand half the things I say. But yes, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan were east-Iranic speaking, then came perso-arab muslims mixed with them and made them Persian speaking, many who did not want to convert to Islam ran to Mongolia and Xinjiang.

What did "Uzbeks" (western Karluk-speaking people) identify as before the Shaybanid Kipchak-speaking Uzbeks conquered them and gave them their name?

Where do the names Khakas and Khoorai come from? I've always thought that Khakas were the direct descendants of the Yenisei Kyrgyz, interesting to see them claim the origin of some other group instead.

And do you know the origin of Lop-speaking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lop_dialect) Uyghurs?

I guess Uzbeks in the Fergana Valley (excluding the capital Tashkent) would be of predominant Shaybanid origin based on the fact it used to be Kipchak-speaking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergana_Kipchak_language) and it bordering Kyrgyzstan. Also, Uzbeks from Xorazm speak an Oghuz dialect. But I don't think that there would be a significant difference in genetics between them and Karluk-speaking Uzbeks since northern Turkmenistani Turkmens and Uzbekistani Turkmens are genetically more like Uzbeks than they are like the Turkmens on GEDmatch (which itself is likely a very bad sample). I guess within Transoxiana, the Kipchaks/Kyrgyz and Ferghana Uzbeks would form one cluster whereas all other Turks (except maybe southern Turkmenistanis) would form another cluster.

[Leto]

A guy posted on Anthrogenica his Uzbek wife's results.


She is Uzbek from a village near Tashkent. Some info about her family. Her parents were born there as well. They are both Uzbek too. Her grandparents were also likely born there but she dont know 100% for all 4 of them.

Eurogenes k13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 26.47
2 Siberian 17.17
3 East_Asian 12.98
4 South_Asian 12.33
5 Baltic 8.4
6 North_Atlantic 8.22
7 East_Med 4.29
8 Red_Sea 3.73
9 Amerindian 2.77
10 West_Med 2.14
11 Oceanian 0.91
12 Northeast_African 0.36
13 Sub-Saharan 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Aghan_Hazara 7.54
2 Uzbeki 10.41
3 Afghan_Turkmen 11.44
4 Hazara 12.82
5 Nogay 13.44
6 Afghan_Tadjik 13.5
7 Uygur 14.34
8 Tadjik 15.72
9 Turkmen 17.58
10 Afghan_Pashtun 24.9
11 Kazakh 26.65
12 Kabardin 26.84
13 Balkar 26.98
14 Kumyk 27.1
15 Kirgiz 28.21
16 Burusho 28.28
17 Ossetian 29.16
18 Chechen 29.29
19 North_Ossetian 29.44
20 Azeri 29.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Aghan_Hazara + 29.3% Tadjik 4.14
2 82.2% Aghan_Hazara + 17.8% Chechen 4.15
3 82.4% Aghan_Hazara + 17.6% Tabassaran 4.17
4 64.8% Tadjik + 35.2% Kirgiz 4.29
5 81.1% Aghan_Hazara + 18.9% Kabardin 4.29
6 83.2% Aghan_Hazara + 16.8% Lezgin 4.43
7 55.6% Hazara + 44.4% Tadjik 4.44
8 81.6% Aghan_Hazara + 18.4% Kumyk 4.52
9 83.3% Aghan_Hazara + 16.7% Adygei 4.53
10 73.5% Tadjik + 26.5% Mongolian 4.56
11 83% Aghan_Hazara + 17% North_Ossetian 4.64
12 82.9% Aghan_Hazara + 17.1% Ossetian 4.64
13 81.8% Aghan_Hazara + 18.2% Balkar 4.67
14 63.6% Tadjik + 36.4% Kazakh 4.69
15 67.5% Afghan_Tadjik + 32.5% Kazakh 4.69
16 79% Tadjik + 21% Hezhen 4.83
17 68.7% Aghan_Hazara + 31.3% Afghan_Tadjik 4.88
18 81.2% Aghan_Hazara + 18.8% Afghan_Pashtun 4.98
19 86.7% Aghan_Hazara + 13.3% Georgian 5.06
20 52.6% Uygur + 47.4% Tadjik 5.07

puntDNAL k15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 26.56
2 E_Asian 19.69
3 NE_European 17.47
4 S_Indian 10.76
5 Mediterranean 9.54
6 Siberian 8.96
7 SW_Asian 3.76
8 Amerindian 1.47
9 Beringian 0.75
10 Omo_River 0.75
11 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 12.57
2 Uzbek 14.18
3 Uyghur 14.39
4 Hazara 15.61
5 Nogai 16.44
6 Tadjik 17.57
7 Pashtun 22.17
8 Romani 27.73
9 Bashkir 28.44
10 Kumyk 28.95
11 Burusho 29
12 Chechen 29.54
13 Balkar 29.96
14 Iranian 30.64
15 Pathan 30.77
16 Turk_Kayseri 31.46
17 Turk_Istanbul 31.76
18 North_Ossetian 31.93
19 Kurdish 32.12
20 Azerbaijani 32.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.9% Uyghur + 44.1% Tadjik 6.21
2 81.4% Tadjik + 18.6% Chinese 6.28
3 75.3% Tadjik + 24.7% Burmese 6.29
4 79.1% Tadjik + 20.9% Cambodian 6.3
5 71% Tadjik + 29% Mongolian 6.37
6 79.7% Tadjik + 20.3% Filipino 6.51
7 80.9% Tadjik + 19.1% Vietnamese 6.62
8 62.4% Uyghur + 37.6% Pashtun 6.76
9 69.4% Uyghur + 30.6% Chechen 6.85
10 79% Tadjik + 21% Singaporean 6.9
11 82.7% Turkmen + 17.3% Burmese 6.96
12 83.1% Tadjik + 16.9% Japanese 7.05
13 54.7% Turkmen + 45.3% Uyghur 7.05
14 85.7% Turkmen + 14.3% Cambodian 7.1
15 65.5% Pashtun + 34.5% Mongolian 7.12
16 85.5% Turkmen + 14.5% Singaporean 7.16
17 53.7% Hazara + 46.3% Tadjik 7.3
18 86.3% Turkmen + 13.7% Filipino 7.36
19 71.7% Uyghur + 28.3% Kurdish 7.39
20 72.3% Uyghur + 27.7% Lezgin 7.39


MDLP World:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucaus_Parsia 25.46
2 East_Asian 17.36
3 South_and_West_European 14.28
4 North_Asian 11.59
5 North_and_East_European 11.59
6 Indian 9.61
7 Middle_East 4.87
8 Arctic_Amerind 1.97
9 Mesoamerican 1.25
10 Paleo_African 0.76
11 Sub_Saharian 0.67
12 Melanesian 0.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbek 6.35
2 Turkmen 12.46
3 Hazara 12.76
4 Nogai 15.1
5 Uygur 16.67
6 Karakalpak 17.65
7 Tatar_Crim 22.72
8 Tatar_Lithuania 23.36
9 Kazakh 23.55
10 Tadjik 23.66
11 Bashkir 24.33
12 Cirkassian 25.21
13 Kumyk 26.68
14 Balkarian 27.18
15 Kabardinian 27.41
16 Kyrgyz 27.88
17 Turk 28.15
18 NorthOssetian 28.75
19 Adygei 28.89
20 Pashtun 28.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85% Uzbek + 15% Roma 3.18
2 88.5% Uzbek + 11.5% Puerto-Rican 3.68
3 88% Uzbek + 12% Romania 3.68
4 91.2% Uzbek + 8.8% Ajv70 3.81
5 92% Uzbek + 8% Bra2 3.9
6 89.3% Uzbek + 10.7% Ajv52 3.92
7 90.1% Uzbek + 9.9% Kosovar 3.95
8 90.9% Uzbek + 9.1% Iberian 3.97
9 89.8% Uzbek + 10.2% Swiss 3.98
10 90.5% Uzbek + 9.5% Portugese 3.98
11 91% Uzbek + 9% Spaniard 3.99
12 89.6% Uzbek + 10.4% Italian-North 3.99
13 89.9% Uzbek + 10.1% Italian_North 4
14 90% Uzbek + 10% Provancal 4
15 92.3% Uzbek + 7.7% Basque 4.02
16 90.4% Uzbek + 9.6% Corsican 4.03
17 74.9% Hazara + 25.1% Greek_South 4.04
18 90.6% Uzbek + 9.4% French 4.04
19 74.9% Hazara + 25.1% Greek_North 4.05
20 88.9% Uzbek + 11.1% Bulgarian 4.08

MDLP K23b:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 18.42
2 Tungus-Altaic 16.51
3 South_Central_Asian 16.04
4 European_Hunters_Gatherers 7.72
5 South_Indian 7.24
6 Ancestral_Altaic 7.19
7 South_East_Asian 6.84
8 East_Siberian 5.56
9 Near_East 5
10 North_African 3.37
11 Austronesian 2.72
12 Paleo_Siberian 1.68
13 Arctic 1.09
14 European_Early_Farmers 0.4
15 Australoid 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbek ( ) 5.75
2 Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) 7.03
3 Turkmen_Afghan ( ) 8.97
4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan ( ) 10.03
5 Uygur-Han ( ) 13.12
6 Karakalpak ( ) 13.74
7 Crimean_Tatar_Step ( ) 14.68
8 Tajik_Afghan ( ) 14.75
9 Tatar_Lithuania ( ) 15
10 Uygur ( ) 15.84
11 Hazara ( ) 16.08
12 Uzbek_Afghan ( ) 16.77
13 Tatar-Kazan ( ) 18.6
14 Tatar-Mishar ( ) 18.99
15 Bashkir ( ) 19.08
16 Tatar_Mishar ( ) 19.12
17 Tatar ( ) 19.13
18 Tatar-Lithuanian ( ) 19.17
19 Tatar-Siberian ( ) 19.29
20 Chuvashs ( ) 19.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 10% Qatari ( ) 4.18
2 89% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 11% Saudi ( ) 4.26
3 89.9% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 10.1% Moroccan ( ) 4.28
4 87.3% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 12.7% Egyptian_Kuwait ( ) 4.32
5 90.3% Uzbek ( ) + 9.7% Yemen ( ) 4.36
6 86.5% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 13.5% Yemen ( ) 4.4
7 89.2% Uzbek ( ) + 10.8% Parsi ( ) 4.42
8 93.2% Uzbek ( ) + 6.8% Yemenite_Jew ( ) 4.43
9 89.3% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 10.7% Tunisian ( ) 4.44
10 87.9% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 12.1% Egyptian_Tanta ( ) 4.46
11 91.5% Uzbek ( ) + 8.5% BedouinA ( ) l 4.46
12 91.7% Uzbek ( ) + 8.3% Egyptian_Cairo ( ) 4.48
13 92.7% Uzbek ( ) + 7.3% Saudi ( ) 4.51
14 90.5% Uzbek ( ) + 9.5% Iraki ( ) 4.51
15 88% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 12% Egyptian_Cairo ( ) 4.51
16 91.8% Uzbek ( ) + 8.2% Egyptian_Mansoura ( ) 4.52
17 92% Uzbek ( ) + 8% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh ( ) 4.54
18 91.5% Uzbek ( ) + 8.5% Egyptian_Kuwait ( ) 4.54
19 91.6% Uzbek ( ) + 8.4% Egyptian_Kairo ( ) 4.56
20 87.7% Tajik_Tajikistan ( ) + 12.3% Egyptian_Kairo ( ) 4.56

HarappaWorld:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 18.31
2 Caucasian 17.2
3 NE-Asian 16.83
4 NE-Euro 13.66
5 Siberian 11.25
6 S-Indian 7.28
7 Mediterranean 6.56
8 SW-Asian 3.53
9 Beringian 1.84
10 American 1.77
11 SE-Asian 1.05
12 Pygmy 0.5
13 E-African 0.11
14 Papuan 0.1
15 W-African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 uzbek (behar) 7.77
2 uyghur (hgdp) 14.3
3 hazara (hgdp) 14.57
4 turkmen (yunusbayev) 16.9
5 tajik (yunusbayev) 17.35
6 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.71
7 kazakh (harappa) 23.92
8 pashtun (harappa) 25.35
9 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 25.68
10 romanian-b (behar) 26.19
11 kyrgyz (xing) 26.69
12 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 27.92
13 stalskoe (xing) 29.11
14 burusho (hgdp) 29.29
15 nepalese-c (xing) 29.59
16 iranian (harappa) 30.26
17 turkish (harappa) 30.53
18 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 30.55
19 iranian (behar) 31.27
20 azeri (harappa) 31.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.2% uzbek (behar) + 20.8% romanian-b (behar) 3.7
2 85.5% uzbek (behar) + 14.5% bene-israel-jew (behar) 5.17
3 81.3% uzbek (behar) + 18.7% pashtun (harappa) 5.28
4 86.7% uzbek (behar) + 13.3% morocco-jew (behar) 5.38
5 85.5% uzbek (behar) + 14.5% ashkenazy-jew (behar) 5.4
6 65.9% uyghur (hgdp) + 34.1% romanian-b (behar) 5.4
7 65.5% hazara (hgdp) + 34.5% romanian-b (behar) 5.44
8 85.7% uzbek (behar) + 14.3% ashkenazi (harappa) 5.47
9 86.7% uzbek (behar) + 13.3% sephardic-jew (behar) 5.47
10 86.9% uzbek (behar) + 13.1% tuscan (1000genomes) 5.53
11 75.2% uzbek (behar) + 24.8% tajik (yunusbayev) 5.57
12 85.4% uzbek (behar) + 14.6% haryana-jatt (harappa) 5.61
13 86.5% uzbek (behar) + 13.5% gujarati-muslim (harappa) 5.62
14 74.9% uzbek (behar) + 25.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) 5.64
15 86.1% uzbek (behar) + 13.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) 5.65
16 86.6% uzbek (behar) + 13.4% up-muslim (harappa) 5.71
17 85.8% uzbek (behar) + 14.2% kashmiri (harappa) 5.71
18 86.1% uzbek (behar) + 13.9% iraqi-arab (harappa) 5.76
19 86.7% uzbek (behar) + 13.3% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 5.76
20 85.5% uzbek (behar) + 14.5% iranian (behar) 5.77

I asked him to add Dodecad but he has not responded.

[Chaos One]

What are your conclusions based on? My matches on ftdna give me surnames like Kotovskiy, Brovko, Åman - 5th Cousin - Remote Cousin. I don't know how accurate this is though.

I've generic "Badakhshi/Baltistan" background since I get same scale results with Pamiris and Burushos, but I never made any good test with Tajik kits so dunno if stays just like that.

[Yaglakar]

What did "Uzbeks" (western Karluk-speaking people) identify as before the Shaybanid Kipchak-speaking Uzbeks conquered them and gave them their name?

Türk or by various tribal backgrounds. Historical Qarluqs and some others in the region were technically actual Türks and spoke a derivative of Old Turkic.


Where do the names Khakas and Khoorai come from? I've always thought that Khakas were the direct descendants of the Yenisei Kyrgyz, interesting to see them claim the origin of some other group instead.

Khakas people call themselves Tadar(lar), not Khakas. Hongorai is an overarching designation of identity and territory inhabited by Kashmyts, Yenisei Kyrgyz and others that was used in 16th-17th centuries (by themselves). Tadarlar (basically Tatar) is an exoethnonym that was adopted. and Khakas is Chinese transliteration (Hagäs) of Kirghiz that dates back to Tang dynasty.


And do you know the origin of Lop-speaking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lop_dialect) Uyghurs?

Based on their folk memory and legends, Moghulistan Moghuls.

[Yaglakar]

My Y-DNA results arrived: R-M269 (R1b1a1a2)

http://i64.tinypic.com/2heyf02.jpg

[Leto]

My Y-DNA results arrived: R-M269 (R1b1a1a2)

Wow, you're a Yamnaya descendant! A Toch-Aryan xD. Join the Indo-European permission group :)

[Yaglakar]

Wow, you're a Yamnaya descendant! A Toch-Aryan xD. Join the Indo-European permission group :)

Tocharians were exclusively r1a as far as I know, no?

[dosas]

Go to http://www.nevgen.org/ and feed your results there for sub-clade prediction.

[Leto]

Tocharians were exclusively r1a as far as I know, no?
I don't know, I guess they were mostly R1a, yes. That was a joke. I was expecting R1a or C for you, to be honest.

[Yaglakar]

Go to http://www.nevgen.org/ and feed your results there for sub-clade prediction.

The predictor gives me Q M346>> L330

[dosas]

I am not familiar with that sub-clade.

[Kaspias]

The predictor gives me Q M346>> L330

ma brotha

[Yaglakar]

I am not familiar with that sub-clade.

That is not a subclade of m-269.

so basically what happened is that I ordered Y-37 and family tree dna can't give me my exact basic haplogroup. It can be both R1b or Q.

[dosas]

No, your haplogroup is R1b and it's a product of testing (Y37). The Q that some predictor gave you is wrong.

[Crimson Winds]

My Y-DNA results arrived: R-M269 (R1b1a1a2)

http://i64.tinypic.com/2heyf02.jpg

It's Baskhir-West Eu subclade.

[Leto]

@Yaglakar, have you seen these kits?

Kit Number: M042696
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01298

Kit Number: M361178
Name: Uyghur_HGDP01300

Kit Number: T810397
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01301

Kit Number: T351457
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01304

Kit Number: T596337
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01305

Kit Number: T091643
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01306

Kit Number: T445434
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01297

Kit Number: T453775
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01299

Kit Number: T022322
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01302

Kit Number: T827177
Name: Uyghur_Hgdp01303

[Arhat]

Tocharians were exclusively r1a as far as I know, no?

We have no ancient Tocharian dna unfortunately. Ancient mummies from the tarim basin were R1a-Z93- but this results could be wrong because the samples could be contaminated and the mummies could be just some early Indo-Iranians not related to Tocharians. Tocharians were mostly likely R1b and somehow derived from Afanasievo. The light buddhist monks and mummies are probably just Saka. Tocharians were probably darker haired and eyed like Yamnaya because they lacked Central Euro farmer ancestry, which actually made Europeans blonde and light.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Tocharians were exclusively r1a as far as I know, no?

No. R1b is much more likely. They were centum speakers.

[Yaglakar]

Uploaded my raw dna file to myheritage


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8EChnNgoQs

[Yaglakar]

Following backbone test, my haplogroup was reassigned. Q-M242 (or simply haplogroup Q), most likely Q-М346.

http://i68.tinypic.com/zwny9u.jpg

[Veles]

It is unclear who, not a European and not Asian

[Leto]

Following backbone test, my haplogroup was reassigned. Q-M242 (or simply haplogroup Q), most likely Q-М346.

Why is that? Are the two haplogroups really that easy to mistake for each other? Q makes a lot of sense in your case though, given that you are of Turkic descent.

[Yaglakar]

Why is that? Are the two haplogroups really that easy to mistake for each other? Q makes a lot of sense in your case though, given that you are of Turkic descent.

I think the way it works, FTDNA tests for strs, finds matches in their database and assigns a haplogroup. The more you pay, the more strs you get, the deeper results are, and a higher likelihood for database matches. If one pays less, he gets less strs and a possibility that there are no matches in the database. My strs were apparently somewhat similar to carriers of r1b and Q with no matches whatsoever. After comparing my strs to those of some Altaians, I realized that there is a connection and contacted a few people who understand a thing or two in these matters. In the end I emailed FTDNA and asked for a backbone snp test to establish the basic haplogroup.

[itilvolga]

Your results are my wet dream lol