Real IRA Claims Responsibility for Killing British Soldiers

[Loyalist]

A Dublin-based newspaper has received a call supposedly from the Real IRA which claimed responsibility for the attack at Massereene army base.

Using a recognised codename, it claimed responsibility for the attack in which two soldiers were killed.

Four other people, including two pizza delivery men, were also injured when gunmen struck at the Antrim base.

The prime minister described the attack as "evil" and said "no murderer" would derail the peace process.

The soldiers are the first to be murdered in Northern Ireland since Lance Bombardier Stephen Restorick was killed by an IRA sniper in 1997.

The dead men, both in their early 20s were due to fly to Afghanistan in the coming days.

Flowers have been laid at the scene and a vigil was held nearby on Sunday.

The Real IRA was born out of a split in the mainstream Provisional IRA in October 1997, when the IRA's so-called quartermaster-general resigned over Sinn Fein's direction in the peace process.

It carried out the worst single atrocity of over 30 years of violence in Northern Ireland when it bombed the County Tyrone town of Omagh, killing 29 people, in August 1998. (Continues)

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7930995.stm)

Here we go again. :mad:

[Creeping Death]

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7930995.stm)

Here we go again. :mad:
Violence pays.

[Beorn]

Violence pays.

It certainly does.

It usually pays out in blood, tears and misery. I wonder how long it will take for these cowards to understand that their "nationalist cause" is an extended lesson on futility?

[Loyalist]

Violence pays.

A return to conflict isn't going to dent the resolve of Ulster loyalists to remain British, quite the opposite actually, nor will it push the United Kingdom to relinquish control of its territory. The end result of these murders will be a like response from the opposing community, marking the start of another tit-for-tat campaign, taking lives needlessly. It also seems ridiculous how both the media and political establishment continue to speak of this so-called peace process, and how renewed hostilities must not or will not derail it. So long as both camps remain in the same state, peace isn't a realistic option, and, as BeornWulfWer stated, violence to force unification is an exercise in futility.

[Creeping Death]

It certainly does.
Never stop resistance.
[QUOTE=BeornWulfWer;23305]It usually pays out in blood, tears and misery.
And in the end you get your nation back and racial prestige.

I wonder how long it will take for these cowards to understand that their "nationalist cause" is an extended lesson on futility?
Ten years the IRA played the British game of peace and where has it got them? The battle has always been to unite Ireland as one.


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/beastmaster666/smallira-1.jpg

[Creeping Death]

A return to conflict isn't going to dent the resolve of Ulster loyalists to remain British
I wish you Ulster Squatters just went back to where you came, but they are Ulster Squatters are decreasing each year in the occupied 6 counties. Its over, give it up, the Irish have won back their nation.

[Loyalist]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/beastmaster666/smallira-1.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/28l5jys.jpg

:cool:


...the Irish have won back their nation.

Indeed they have, so why don't they all head back to those 26 counties?

[Beorn]

And in the end you get your nation back and racial prestige.

It won't happen in this case. The only viable solution is peace.


Ten years the IRA played the British game of peace and where has it got them?

Peace? Lower body counts? A re-emerging economy? Normal citizens with the ability to get on with normal lives without the fear and oppression of warring factions?

All the while the canvassing of freshly landed immigrants by Sinn Fein has ensured that the country will end up as one more multicultural melting pot not worth pissing in.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Brian Foley, are you serious or yet another parody to add to the forum's growing collection?


Brian Foley invited me...it was all his fault:p:D

*sigh* :coffee:

[Creeping Death]

:cool:

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2009-03-09_014130_4077490850a8505851948l.jpg
:thumb001:

Indeed they have, so why don't they all head back to those 26 counties?
Allow me to provide a source from one my indigenous Irish brothers living inside occupied Ulster:

Ulster's Doomed!

The Protestant State for a Protestant People has had its day. The relentless march of history is going to squash it under its heel. Sit back and enjoy the show!

Demography (http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/search/label/Demography)

It makes for depressing reading for any Orangemen squatters you are being outbred by the native Irish and Orange persons are emigrating out in droves:thumb001: Its only a matter of time for the Irish victory of ethnic cleansing.

http://www.students4democracy.org/sfd/forum/uploads/BrianFoley/StudentsForDemocracy_2009-03-09_014107_3825355298a3946913092b120361700l.jpg

[Creeping Death]

It won't happen in this case. The only viable solution is peace.
10 yaers the IRA and INLA complied with the peace process it got nowhere because Britain sat on its hands deliberately. The only viable solution is the removal of the British Multiracial Complex from Irish soil.

Peace? Lower body counts? A re-emerging economy? Normal citizens with the ability to get on with normal lives without the fear and oppression of warring factions?
It is not a minority of warring factions with a majority of non alighned people watching on. It is the Native Irish component having a Cricket bat shoved up their arses because they reject British absorption.

All the while the canvassing of freshly landed immigrants by Sinn Fein has ensured that the country will end up as one more multicultural melting pot not worth pissing in.
Sinn Fein has no authority over immigration, those dark faces are coming to Ireland from Britains former Jungle Bunny Empire. Yet another racial conflict brought from the outside that the native Irish must deal with.

[Fortis in Arduis]

All the while the canvassing of freshly landed immigrants by Sinn Fein has ensured that the country will end up as one more multicultural melting pot not worth pissing in.

Any to add to that Mr Foley?

The republicans have nothing to offer the economic nationalist, do they?

Where is their solution?

[Creeping Death]

Any to add to that Mr Foley?
What cant you read my answer above.

[Fortis in Arduis]

What cant you read my answer above.

You and I posted in tandem.

Still, the republicans have nothing to offer the non-sectarian and their policies such as shutting down grammar schools are just rubbish. :)

Plenty of 'against', but not much 'for'.

[Cenél nEógain]

It certainly does.

It usually pays out in blood, tears and misery. I wonder how long it will take for these cowards

What do you base this assertion on? Walking through the front gate of a military installation armed with assault rifles is cowardly?


to understand that their "nationalist cause" is an extended lesson on futility?

To the contrary, the latter Provo strategy of economic warfare is a valid motion.

[Cenél nEógain]

You and I posted in tandem.

Still, the republicans have nothing to offer the non-sectarian and their policies such as shutting down grammar schools are just rubbish. :)

Plenty of 'against', but not much 'for'.

You do realise the 'GFA' has alienated these people? Isn't it ironic that one of the most naked strongholds (Tyrone, for example) is one of the areas the GFA 'left behind'? All funds appear to be headed to NE Unionist quarters.

Lies, neglection, patronisation - reminds me of the quagmire created by disbanding the Iraqi army and slapping Sunnis in the face.

[Sol Invictus]

Why do the British have soldiers occupying Ireland, and why is it necessary to occupy it if it is supposedly British land?

[Cenél nEógain]

Why do the British have soldiers occupying Ireland, and why is it necessary to occupy it if it is supposedly British land?

Some will try to counter that British soldiers have a right to be on British land. However, this is different from British soldiers in outposts in England, for example. For the North, its a military operation. Its name is 'Operation Helvetic'. It quietly gives British soldiers the right to enter houses without a warrant, search premises, persons and cars etc. This is not clear-cut neither is it acceptable.

By the way, if Irish soldiers occupied England under a military operation and two were killed by disgruntled English residents who took offence to their presence, I wouldn't be condemning the English insurgents as 'cowards' or even wrong, I'd wholly understand. Truth be told, I'd be asking why security of our soldiers was so lax. What sort of outpost lets assault rifle-wielding men stroll in the front gate and open fire, then leave?

[Sol Invictus]

Well with 9/11 (staged and carried out by the U.S government to take our rights away) and all, it already gives our governments rights to do all of that, which I am against.. I just don't understand how British soldiers are going to win hearts and minds by suspending their own laws that they are sworn to uphold and do what they want against the Irish.. This looks to me more like slavery... I have family in Cork and I know how the Irish feel about them there .. I just wish I understood it more

[The Lawspeaker]

Some will try to counter that British soldiers have a right to be on British land. However, this is different from British soldiers in outposts in England, for example. For the North, its a military operation. Its name is 'Operation Helvetic'. It quietly gives British soldiers the right to enter houses without a warrant, search premises, persons and cars etc. This is not clear-cut neither is it acceptable.

By the way, if Irish soldiers occupied England under a military operation and two were killed by disgruntled English residents who took offence to their presence, I wouldn't be condemning the English insurgents as 'cowards' or even wrong, I'd wholly understand. Truth be told, I'd be asking why security of our soldiers was so lax. What sort of outpost lets assault rifle-wielding men stroll in the front gate and open fire, then leave?
What occupation are you talking about ? You seem to have forgotten about the Good Friday Agreements (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/Pdf%20files/NIPeaceAgreement.pdf) (in case you need it in Gaeilge (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/Pdf%20files/Comhaont%C3%BAArTh%C3%A1ngthasAirSnaCaibidl%C3%ADI lph%C3%A1irt%C3%AD.pdf)) that have been in effect since December 2, 1999.

This is an act of terrorism done during peace time.


http://www.doglegs.net/cclovett/_borders/IRA_and_PLO_Mural.jpg

Just to show all of you whit what kind of people Britain (and perhaps all of Europe) are dealing......:eek:

Terrorists huh ? Britain's struggle is our struggle.

[Cenél nEógain]

What occupation are you talking about ? You seem to have forgotten about the Good Friday Agreements (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/Pdf%20files/NIPeaceAgreement.pdf) (in case you need it in Gaeilge (http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/Pdf%20files/Comhaont%C3%BAArTh%C3%A1ngthasAirSnaCaibidl%C3%ADI lph%C3%A1irt%C3%AD.pdf)) that have been in effect since December 2, 1999.

This is an act of terrorism done during peace time.

I have already told you. Operation Helvetic. Commenced on 01/08/07. Its basically banner repackaged. British troops can be arrive and leave under 'Helvetics' legislative measurements. Its 'Banner' with a new codename. In addition, they have all the old powers they had. A further look, the Justice and Security act, under powers given:


21 Stop and Arrest
22 Arrest
23 Entry
24 Search for munitions and transmitters
25 Search for unlawfully detained persons
26 Premises, vehicles
27 Examination of documents
28 Examination of documents: Procedure
29 Taking possesion of land
30 Road closure

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2007/pdf/ukpga_20070006_en.pdf

Clearly, we are not subjected to the same laws as the rest of the UK. The SAS are here, hiding in bushes. MI5 is here, breaking and entering. The police are wrecking my neighbours homes.

[Sol Invictus]

http://www.doglegs.net/cclovett/_borders/IRA_and_PLO_Mural.jpg

Just to show all of you whit what kind of people we are dealing......:eek:
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I support Palestinian resistance, personally.. I don't understand why anyone here wouldn't... Jews don't have any right to pass laws against people in their own homeland, and neither should the Brits..

I don't see anything wrong with that image.. what do you find wrong about it?

[The Lawspeaker]

I have already told you. Operation Helvetic. Commenced on 01/08/07. Its basically banner repackaged. British troops can be arrive and leave under 'Helvetics' legislative measurements. Its 'Banner' with a new codename. In addition, they have all the old powers they had. A further look, the Justice and Security act, under powers given:



http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2007/pdf/ukpga_20070006_en.pdf

Clearly, we are not subjected to the same laws as the rest of the UK. The SAS are here, hiding in bushes. MI5 is here, breaking and entering. The police are wrecking my neighbours homes.
Because the IRA and related organisations didn't live up to their promises ?


I support Palestinian resistance, personally.. I don't understand why anyone here wouldn't... Jews don't have any right to pass laws against people in their own homeland, and neither should the Brits..

I don't see anything wrong with that image.. what do you find wrong about it?
Perhaps they are a bunch of terrorists. And .. Muslims. And you be surprised but the majority of the "Palestinians" are Arab version of the Jewish colonists- coming from Egypt and other countries to claim Israeli soil. It's isn't their soil at all.
Be careful what friends you pick...

[Cenél nEógain]

Just to show all of you whit what kind of people we are dealing...

Fortunately for you, you don't have to deal with any of this. And why are you biased to one side? Have you forgotten these images?

http://www.boynedefenders.com/LargeOrange.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/roadkill_88/kh.bmp

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/africas-orange-order.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/RdquHKx44FI/AAAAAAAAABI/SGCXmqctS8E/s400/UDA+Israeli+flag.jpg

http://uk.altermedia.info/images/Jewishloyalists.jpg

[Sol Invictus]

Perhaps they are a bunch of terrorists. And .. Muslims.
Be careful what friends you pick...[/FONT]

A person taking up arms against an invader is a terrorist..? With all due respect my friend, you've been buying into too much government progaganda..

[The Lawspeaker]

Fortunately for you, you don't have to deal with any of this. And why are you biased to one side? Have you forgotten these images?

http://www.boynedefenders.com/LargeOrange.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/roadkill_88/kh.bmp

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/africas-orange-order.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/RdquHKx44FI/AAAAAAAAABI/SGCXmqctS8E/s400/UDA+Israeli+flag.jpg

http://uk.altermedia.info/images/Jewishloyalists.jpg
What's up with the two images in the middle ?
And yes of course---- IRA and PLO are mates. What should the other side do ? Turn the other cheek ?
Fortunately with me I don't have to deal with it. But who caves in to terror will spread it. We could be next- ooh no.. we have already been victim of IRA terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roermond#IRA_attacks_against_British_Forces_person nel).
And we have also been victim of Muslim terrorism- and are also no stranger to left-wing terrorism.

[Cenél nEógain]

[FONT=Book Antiqua]Because the IRA and related organisations didn't live up to their promises ?

No. It commenced in 2007, there was next to no IRA activity in 2007. Every IRA variant back then was virtually dead.


Perhaps they are a bunch of terrorists. And .. Muslims. And you be surprised but the majority of the "Palestinians" are Arab version of the Jewish colonists- coming from Egypt and other countries to claim Israeli soil. It's isn't their soil at all.
Be careful what friends you pick...

Wait a minute, whilst our 15 year olds were being gunned down by British supplied SA-80's and Israeli supplied Uzis, you want us to be 'picky' about who bailed us out? :rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

Wait a minute, whilst our 15 year olds were being gunned down by British supplied SA-80's and Israeli supplied Uzis, you want us to be 'picky' about who bailed us out? :rolleyes:
Perhaps it is sensible. Some friends may harm the IRA a bit more and take it's image of a nationalist struggle away.

Another thing that I have noticed is that both the IRA and PLO (and other organisations like the old infamous German RAF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction), Dutch RARA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaRa), the Basque ETA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction) and the Italian Red Brigades) all have a sound left-wing ideology. I wonder why...
Why is it always the Left that resorts to terror ? Is it simply the wish to destabilise countries ?

[Sol Invictus]

Doesn't suprise me that these people are called terrorists at all, and that people now adays actually buy it.. (Brainwashed) .. The government here are trying to outlaw militias, and actually call the Founding Fathers terrorists...

George Washington.... A terrorist?

Think about that..

[Cenél nEógain]

And yes of course---- IRA and PLO are mates.

The PIRA doesn't even exist anymore. The Real IRA (The IRA in question) have no links to the PLO. Their funds come from sympathetic Americans and Serb Nationalists. The Continuity IRA have no links to the PLO on grounds of ideology.


Fortunately with me I don't have to deal with it. But who caves in to terror will spread it.

Exactly who are you referring to here?

[Cenél nEógain]

Perhaps it is sensible. Some friends may harm the IRA a bit more and take it's image of a nationalist struggle away.

Another thing that I have noticed is that both the IRA and PLO (and other organisations like the old infamous German RAF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction), Dutch RARA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaRa), the Basque ETA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction) and the Italian Red Brigades) all have a sound left-wing ideology. I wonder why...
Why is it always the Left that resorts to terror ? Is it simply the wish to destabilise countries ?


The Real IRA have described themselves as apolitical. The Continuity IRA are overtly Conservative. The Provisional IRA no longer exists. The Official IRA no longer exists. And what is your definition of terror? Can't you distinguish the difference between guerilla warfare and terror?

What is your definition of Depleted Uranium dropped on Kosovo? I suppose that nor the flattening of Baghdad by British forces using indiscriminate weapons isn't terror? Probably not, because you're biased.

[The Lawspeaker]

Exactly who are you referring to here?
Those that actually negotiated the Good Friday Agreements, negotiated with the PLO and related terrorists during hijackings and signed the agreements with the Palestinians. That "resistance" should have been crushed with brute force since it now shows that terrorists will also strike long after a peace agreement has been reached.

It must be like an addiction for terrorists to attack even in peacetime.


What is your definition of Depleted Uranium dropped on Kosovo? I suppose that nor the flattening of Baghdad by British forces using indiscriminate weapons isn't terror? Probably not, because you're biased.
1. Dumb. NATO was helping UCK terrorists there and should have thrown those bombs on them rather then on the Serbs.
2. A waste of good ammo. It wasn't a war that European boys had to die in.

[Sol Invictus]

Can't you distinguish the difference between guerilla warfare and terror?



Obviously he cannot. Pure brainwashing.

[Cenél nEógain]

Obviously he cannot. Pure brainwashing.

Its this type of feeble-mindedness that has European soldiers stepping over landmines in the Middle East. You just know its his type that immediately demand our men go bleed to death in Tehran once the yids finalise their preparations...

[Loyalist]

By the way, if Irish soldiers occupied England under a military operation and two were killed by disgruntled English residents who took offence to their presence, I wouldn't be condemning the English insurgents as 'cowards' or even wrong, I'd wholly understand. Truth be told, I'd be asking why security of our soldiers was so lax. What sort of outpost lets assault rifle-wielding men stroll in the front gate and open fire, then leave?

The point is, those six counties of Ulster are not Irish soil, they are British territory. The British Army is not an occupational force, but instead present out of the necessity to protect the majority of people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British from those who seek to butcher them through acts of terror.


Fortunately for you, you don't have to deal with any of this. And why are you biased to one side? Have you forgotten these images?

http://www.boynedefenders.com/LargeOrange.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/roadkill_88/kh.bmp

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/africas-orange-order.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/RdquHKx44FI/AAAAAAAAABI/SGCXmqctS8E/s400/UDA+Israeli+flag.jpg

http://uk.altermedia.info/images/Jewishloyalists.jpg

The use of the Israeli flag has nothing to do with British Israelism or any of that other nonsense so-called Irish nationalists so often refer to, so don't bother. It's used as the Ulster Scots Protestants see parallels between themselves and the Israeli populace; embattled minorities fighting to maintain their existence from hostile neighbours.

Now, how about this:

http://i43.tinypic.com/ixwjsg.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/63vtqe.jpg

[The Lawspeaker]

Doesn't suprise me that these people are called terrorists at all, and that people now adays actually buy it.. (Brainwashed) .. The government here are trying to outlaw militias, and actually call the Founding Fathers terrorists...

George Washington.... A terrorist?

Think about that..
The difference between a guerilla war and terrorism ? In a guerilla war the population fights the war- in the latter the "guerilla group" hides behind the population and even attacks them in order to force it's views on the population by scaring them into submission.

The Irish War of Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence) was a guerilla war- the fight of the IRA against the British - and perhaps mainly the people in Ulster themselves clearly is an example of the latter. (perhaps I may need to remind you of Omagh 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing)).

George Washington didn't hide behind the population.

[Cenél nEógain]

The point is, those six counties of Ulster are not Irish soil, they are British territory.

So ridiculous as to not warrant further comment.


The British Army is not an occupational force
Already debunked. The British Military are here under Operational Designation Helvetic.


but instead present out of the necessity to protect the majority of people in Northern Ireland who wish to remain British

So you admit they're only here in the interest of Unionists. Then what about Nationalists/Republicans? The Irish Army is not permitted (Not that it ever would) to enter the region to protect the other half. In that case, since the British army is clearly favouring one side, who protects the Nationalist community?

Since the British have vetoed the arrival of the UN, the other half is left with no option but to form their own militias.


from those who seek to butcher them through acts of terror.

Oh, you seem to be mistaken here. The only 'butchers' who have ever trodden here are the British Shankill butchers. Need I remind you of their actions? Kidnapping innocent men, hanging them from rafters of garages and skinning them alive? Whilst of course, the British army deliberately cleared out of areas they planned to scout victims?

[Sol Invictus]

[FONT=Book Antiqua]The difference between a guerilla war and terrorism ? In a guerilla war the population fights the war- in the latter the "guerilla group" hides behind the population and even attacks them in order to force it's views on the population by scaring them into submission.

Please provide instances where Irish rebels are attacking their own neighbours and hiding behind crowds of people.. And I don't know about the rest of the people there, but folks in my family aren't scared into submission.. infact they don't think that the rebels are doing enough..



George Washington didn't hide behind the population.

None the less they're labelled terrorists for using acts of violence against the British.. And you're doing the exact same thing because like you, when ordinary brainwashed people think of the word terrorist.. Muslims, 9/11 and thousands of dead Americans come immediately to mind, and that's exactly what those criminals in power want people to think to get what they want from them..

[Cenél nEógain]

[FONT=Book Antiqua]The difference between a guerilla war and terrorism ? In a guerilla war the population fights the war- in the latter the "guerilla group" hides behind the population and even attacks them in order to force it's views on the population by scaring them into submission.

You're making a lot of assumptions for someone who has probably never set foot here. What, aside from one-sided propaganda, is your source for the people in question not having public support in their areas of existence?


The Irish War of Independence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence) was a guerilla war- the fight of the IRA against the British - and perhaps mainly the people in Ulster themselves clearly is an example of the latter. (perhaps I may need to remind you of Omagh 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing))

You're about to pull yourself in over your head. Since you've raised the question of Omagh:

1) Why did the British have a GPS tracker installed on the car?

2) How did it get there?

3) Just before the blast, British Police ran for cover behind a local shopping centre. After the blast, the emerged. What gives?

Surely not another false flag? But then again, you're the type who believes Arab Cavemen outwitted the CIA, Interpol, Norad, the NYPD etc on 9/11, are you?

[Sol Invictus]

Surely not another false flag? But then again, you're the type who believes Arab Cavemen outwitted the CIA, Interpol, Norad, the NYPD etc on 9/11, are you?

Hear, hear!

[The Lawspeaker]

Please provide instances where Irish rebels are attacking their own neighbours and hiding behind crowds of people.. And I don't know about the rest of the people there, but folks in my family aren't scared into submission.. infact they don't think that the rebels are doing enough..
What do you think the IRA was doing. Laying bombs and making sure they got away while innocent people got blown up. O.K the UDF did the very same thing on occasion but the majority of bombings were definitely IRA and killed hundreds if not more. Both in Ulster, Britain AND abroad. (Roermond 1988, and some related actions)




None the less they're labelled terrorists for using acts of violence against bystanders and civilians.... And you're doing the exact same thing because like you, when ordinary brainwashed people think of the word terrorist.. Muslims, 9/11 and thousands of dead Americans come immediately to mind, and that's exactly what those criminals in power want people to think to get what they want from them.. (I have corrected it for you).
It they would only have attacked the British Army - then it would have been a guerilla war.
Yes- Muslims, 9/11, thousands of dead Americans. Why would those words come to mind when we think about the word terrorist...:rolleyes: Gee- I wonder why...


Surely not another false flag? But then again, you're the type who believes Arab Cavemen outwitted the CIA, Interpol, Norad, the NYPD etc on 9/11, are you?
Not every agent is a James Bond. As a matter of fact none are and people can easily slip through the net.
The WTC was also attacked by Al Qaeda in 1993.

[Cenél nEógain]

(I have corrected it for you).
It they would only have attacked the British Army - then it would have been a guerilla war.
Yes- Muslims, 9/11, thousands of dead Americans. Why would those words come to mind when we think about the word terrorist...:rolleyes: Gee- I wonder why...


Wait, you're not seriously suggesting Muslims carried out 9/11? 9/11 was the wholesale murder of 3,000 Americans by racist Jews and traitors in Government. The FBI apprehended 3 yids as they celebrated on the roof of a van! :rolleyes:

[Beorn]

What do you base this assertion on? Walking through the front gate of a military installation armed with assault rifles is cowardly?

If they had engaged the barracks as legitimate soldiers and fought with armed soldiers prepared for such an attack; or at least, the foresight to believe they were in an open war situation, then yes, they would be nothing like the cowards that actually shot from the inside of a car upon unarmed, off duty soldiers collecting their pizza delivery.
Oh, and let's not forget the pizza men who were also shot down.

Shall we be expecting an announcement soon declaring that though it was unfortunate they were shot, they should not have been colluding with the...blah blah blah?


To the contrary, the latter Provo strategy of economic warfare is a valid motion.What is so "economically valid" about this attack then?


Why do the British have soldiers occupying NORTHERN Ireland, and why is it necessary to occupy it if it is supposedly British land?

You answered your own question. It is British land. Who else would they have stationed there?


A person taking up arms against an invader is a terrorist..? With all due respect my friend, you've been buying into too much government progaganda..Terrorist: - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells.

Terrorism: - the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.


They are terrorists. Pure and simple. No cover-up. No propaganda. Just outright cowardly murderers.

[Loyalist]

Already debunked. The British Military are here under Operational Designation Helvetic.

It isn't possible for a nation to occupy its own land in the sense you're implying.


So you admit they're only here in the interest of Unionists. Then what about Nationalists/Republicans? The Irish Army is not permitted (Not that it ever would) to enter the region to protect the other half. In that case, since the British army is clearly favouring one side, who protects the Nationalist community?

They Army was deployed in the interest of maintaining stability when violence reached a level where police could no longer cope. It would be unfair to say they were strictly mandated with protecting the Unionist community, but the fact is that it was Republicans who were responsible for the majority of violence and carnage. These days, given all the PC nonsense, liberalism, and international interference, the Army is, at the very least, impartial. If the Nationalist community feels threatened or unwelcome as a result of this or any other consequence of living in Northern Ireland, then they have a 26 county Republic just a short drive to the south. It seems more and more like they should be relocated there by force.


Since the British have vetoed the arrival of the UN, the other half is left with no option but to form their own militias.

Why should the UN be permitted to interfere with issues of British sovereignty? By that logic, the UN will also be required to intervene in Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Northumbria...


Oh, you seem to be mistaken here. The only 'butchers' who have ever trodden here are the British Shankill butchers. Need I remind you of their actions? Kidnapping innocent men, hanging them from rafters of garages and skinning them alive? Whilst of course, the British army deliberately cleared out of areas they planned to scout victims?

So a handful of serial killers speak for the entire Unionist community? The vast majority of loyalist paramilitaries were set up to protect their applicable community from Republican attacks, using similar tactics which were inflicted upon them. You were saying something about militias... :rolleyes:

[The Lawspeaker]

You're about to pull yourself in over your head. Since you've raised the question of Omagh:

1) Why did the British have a GPS tracker installed on the car?

2) How did it get there?

3) Just before the blast, British Police ran for cover behind a local shopping centre. After the blast, the emerged. What gives?


Evidence ?



Wait, you're not seriously suggesting Muslims carried out 9/11? 9/11 was the wholesale murder of 3,000 Americans by racist Jews and traitors in Government. The FBI apprehended 3 yids as they celebrated on the roof of a van! :rolleyes:
Evidence ?

[Sol Invictus]

[FONT=Book Antiqua] (I have corrected it for you).[QUOTE=Lawspeaker;23573]

No need to correct anything! I was refering to George Washington and the Minutemen in that post..


[QUOTE=Lawspeaker;23573] It they would only have attacked the British Army - then it would have been a guerilla war.

And if the British had of targeted only rebel soldiers in their engagement than it probably would be legitimate defense..



Yes- Muslims, 9/11, thousands of dead Americans. Why would those words come to mind when we think about the word terrorist...:rolleyes: Gee- I wonder why...


Because you're Brainwashed and actually believe in that lie?

[Sol Invictus]

Evidence ?

Voila

tRfhUezbKLw

[The Lawspeaker]

Because you're Brainwashed and actually believe in that lie?
Not really. Muslim groups or Muslims in general have hardly been our friends during the last.... 13 or so centuries.


Voila

tRfhUezbKLw
A sensationalist youtube vid is hardly evidence.
Try to look for a formal report.

[Sol Invictus]

Not really. Muslim groups or Muslims in general have hardly been our friends during the last.... 13 or so ages.

Yeah, you're right, it's not like we've been supplying them with weapons to fight the soviets and all..

Get real..

[The Lawspeaker]

Yeah, you're right, it's not like we've been supplying them with weapons to fight the soviets and all..

Get real..
Yes- which was probably the worse mistake ever. We were afraid of our new foe so we befriended our oldest foe.
Not a smart move.

[Sol Invictus]

Yes- which was probably the worse mistake ever. We were afraid of our new foe so we befriended our oldest foe.
Not a smart move.

Not smart..? The Soviet Union got their asses handed to them by ragtag rebels which is exactly what the CIA wanted, and not a single American soldier engaged any reds..

[Sol Invictus]

A sensationalist youtube vid is hardly evidence.
Try to look for a formal report.


I provided you with evidence.. Google yourself to further satisfy your own ignorance.

[The Lawspeaker]

Not smart..? The Soviet Union got their asses handed to them by ragtag rebels which is exactly what the CIA wanted, and not a single American soldier engaged any reds..
Yes... and seen from hindsight: was it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpONEX8tme8) worth it ?

http://www.fmft.net/british%20muslim%20protest%20uk%20koran%20extremis ts.jpg


Perhaps those Reds should have sorted them out and the USSR would have collapsed anyways. The cracks that ran through the USSR were already visible during the 1980's. The Afghan War merely was the final stroke.

[Sol Invictus]

Yes... and seen from hindsight: was it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpONEX8tme8) worth it ?

You have some serious research to do, my friend.. Open your eyes..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&ei=jEC1SfO_MKDM-gG0qomPBA&q=loose+change+final+cut

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&ei=A0G1SaWqBIL8rgKL5IX2Aw&q=Terrorstorm

[Beorn]

Can I please remind people that this thread is for the discussion of the killing of soldiers stationed in Antrim, Northern Ireland and not the truth/hearsay or conspiracy connected to the 9/11 atrocity.

Please stay on the threads initial topic.

[Sol Invictus]

Please stay on the threads initial topic.


You're right.. So I made this (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=23599#post23599) thread to help people still asleep to this lie, including Lawspeaker..

I challenge you to look at the evidence in these films, and see if you still indulge yourself in believing that arabs in 9/11 outsmarted the best intelligence agencies on the face of the earth..

That's all I'll say about it.

[Creeping Death]

The use of the Israeli flag has nothing to do with British Israelism or any of that other nonsense so-called Irish nationalists so often refer to, so don't bother. It's used as the Ulster Scots Protestants see parallels between themselves and the Israeli populace; embattled minorities fighting to maintain their existence from hostile neighbours.Did you see all your Black Brothers and Sisters, and I see Orangemen even identify with the Zionist Jews!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/roadkill_88/kh.bmp

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/africas-orange-order.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/RdquHKx44FI/AAAAAAAAABI/SGCXmqctS8E/s400/UDA+Israeli+flag.jpg

As I said before British = Multi-Culturalism thats why the Irish must extirpate it from their nation.

[Beorn]

Why didn't private gun guards even fire as 'Real' IRA cowards murdered unarmed British soldiers? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160459/Why-didnt-private-gun-guards-Real-IRA-cowards-murdered-unarmed-British-soldiers.html)

Security guards hired to defend the base where two British soldiers were murdered did not fire back when the terrorists began shooting, it emerged today.

The armed civilian guards did not open fire even when the Real IRA killers continued to shoot at wounded soldiers as they lay dying on the ground.
Their failure to defend the base will raise serious questions about the safety of British troops in the province.
Speaking in the Commons today, Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward said that the killers had fired more than 60 shots in a 'premeditated attempt at mass murder'.

The two soldiers killed were today named as Sapper Mark Quinsey, 23, from Birmingham, and Sapper Cengiz Azimkar, 21, from Wood Green, London.
Earlier, Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams claimed that the suffering of the dead soldiers' families was 'the same' as that endured by Catholic families killed by British forces during the Troubles.

Adams was forced to defend his party's controversial statement in the wake of the attack and rejected criticisms that it had taken the party 14 hours to respond.
And today, while insisting that his thoughts were with the families of the two soldiers, Adams simply described the atrocity as 'counterproductive'.

He also appeared to attach some of the blame for the murders to last week's decision by Sir Hugh Orde, the Northern Ireland Chief Constable, to recruit Army intelligence specialists to carry out surveillance on dissidents.

'The Chief Constable made a huge mistake bringing in undercover British army units,' said Mr Adams.

'I'm sorry, but you don't understand the history if you don't appreciate that the involvement of these units in the past, totally unaccountable, has led to the same kind of suffering that unfortunately is being endured at this time by the families of the two British soldiers.'
Today Gordon Brown met Army commanders at Massereene military base in Antrim before meeting politicians at Stormont for emergency talks.
It is the first time in ten years that the Northern Ireland Security Guard Service (NISGS) have had to deal with an attack on a base.
The Real IRA last night claimed responsibility, branding the pizza deliverymen British 'collaborators'.
Tory security expert Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Commons counter-terrorism committee told The Times: 'We have to question the efficacy of this guard force if it is not prepared to fire on the enemy.

'How will this force be a deterrent in the future if terrorists know they are not going to be shot at?'
Military sources said that, at any equivalent base in Britain, soldiers would have a full SA80 assault rifle, loaded and ready to return fire.
A source in Antrim said: 'One of the barracks security staff was in the secure box when all this happened. He must have just dived for cover, even though he has a sidearm.

'But he was just one man with a pistol and there were three men with automatic weapons.'
But Northern Ireland's most senior soldier Brigadier George Norton defended the security guards decision not to return fire:
'Are you suggesting that people should have fired into a closely packed group, including my soldiers?' he said.

Read more here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160459/Why-didnt-private-gun-guards-Real-IRA-cowards-murdered-unarmed-British-soldiers.html)
An interesting remark from McGuinness. One I have to agree with:


From the article: "Mr McGuinness emphasised his commitment to devolved government.
'The reason the process is being attacked at this time is because the process is working,' he said.

Mr Adams said Sinn Fein supported the efforts of the police to catch the killers - and urged any members of the republican community with information to pass it on.

'It is the logic of our position and we do have a responsibility to be consistent,' he said.

'The popular will in this island is for peaceful and democratic change and that means an end to actions like the killings in Antrim on Saturday night.

'The logic of all of that is that we support the police in the apprehension of those involved.'"
The descriptions of the attack are very telling as to whether we should classify these "men" as brave soldiers of Ireland or plain cowards.


From the article: "Anthony Watson, 19, said in hospital: 'The soldiers shouted for us to 'get down' before I even knew what was happening.
'Then one of the soldiers just threw himself on top of me as the bullets were still firing', he told The Sun.

A horrified friend of Watson's told how the teenager - nicknamed Anto - owed his life to the brave soldiers. He said: 'The guy with the gun then just walked over and executed the soldier as he lay on top of Anto.'

The two others were badly wounded while the two Domino's pizza delivery men were also hit. One, a 32-year-old Pole, took seven bullets."

....."At one stage the killers stood over their injured victims and mercilessly fired off a second volley."

[Loyalist]

Did you see all your Black Brothers and Sisters, and I see Orangemen even identify with the Zionist Jews!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/roadkill_88/kh.bmp

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/africas-orange-order.jpg

Are those black Orangemen living in the United Kingdom? Ireland? Canada? Anywhere else other than their homelands of Ghana and Togo? No, the Order was introduced by the British dispoara in the African colonies. There are no racial or ethnic crtieria for membership, one is merely required to be of a Protestant faith. The existence of the Institution in Africa has also provided aid and stability to the indigenous population, which actually decreases the chances they will immigrate elsewhere.

The only black Orangemen I've ever seen outside of Africa were a small number in Liverpool, and even then, the Order has served as a vehicle for discipline which has kept them away from the same road of criminality and failure that features almost invariably in black populations in our own lands.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_T8t5gwy9dIw/RdquHKx44FI/AAAAAAAAABI/SGCXmqctS8E/s400/UDA+Israeli+flag.jpg

As I said before British = Multi-Culturalism thats why the Irish must extirpate it from their nation.

I explained the use of the Israeli flag, and how it has nothing to do with multiculturalism, earlier in this thread. You obviously didn't bother to read anything, but rather opted to jump in with your usual drivel.

[stormlord]

I wish you Ulster Squatters just went back to where you came, but they are Ulster Squatters are decreasing each year in the occupied 6 counties. Its over, give it up, the Irish have won back their nation.

You're a joke, they've "won it back" have they? Anything the IRA has they were given; they couldn't fight their way out of a shoebox. Must make you feel pretty pathetic to know that you have to make up fantasies about this imaginary conflict they've "won". I guess they "won" in the way the Vietnamese "won" against the Americans right?

The really hilarious thing is that the IRA are such piss poor soldiers that if the British Army went home and left the Protestants to it, they'd teach your buddies a real lesson. When the British Army first deployed they were protecting the Catholics from the Protestants, how funny is that? :p

[Creeping Death]

Why didn't private gun guards even fire as 'Real' IRA cowards murdered unarmed British soldiers? .
The real headline from your news article

Fury as Adams says British special forces provoked pizza delivery murders of unarmed soldiers (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160459/Fury-Adams-says-British-special-forces-provoked-pizza-delivery-murders-unarmed-soldiers.html)

Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams today provoked anger by claiming the murder of two British soldiers had been prompted by a recent decision to bring special forces back to Northern Ireland.
***applause*** Gerry time to carry on the struggle peace was an illusion **applause**

Are those black Orangemen living in the United Kingdom? The Orange Order is a Judeo-Negro Front you and kin must be ethnically cleansed from white Eire.

The really hilarious thing is that the IRA are such piss poor soldiers that if the British Army went home and left the Protestants to it, they'd teach your buddies a real lesson.
The great British Army gunning down 13 unarmed women and children on Bloody Sunday.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rBGeWY-Z_hk/RpUR0WaKJXI/AAAAAAAAAIc/svdUuMDcZGk/s320/461508791a850661359b854506398l.jpg


When the British Army first deployed they were protecting the Catholics from the Protestants, how funny is that? :p
It was Stormont who requested British Troops patrol the streets of Northern Ireland in 1969 to protect British Migrant/Squatters from Native Irish protests for equal rights.

[Brynhild]

Without bothering to read the rest of this, Brian, if you're so passionate about the troubles in Eire, Feel free to go and stay the bloody hell out of Australia!

[Beorn]

The real headline from your news article...

...was changed at 18:23 today.

The link I gave has now been changed to another story.

[Creeping Death]

Without bothering to read the rest of this, Brian, if you're so passionate about the troubles in Eire, Feel free to go and stay the bloody hell out of Australia!
Stop Arse Kissing mate, its embarrasing, I know your wanting to become a moderator on this site.

[Creeping Death]

...was changed at 18:23 today.

The link I gave has now been changed to another story.
LOL Daily Mail arent they renowned for their page 3 nude;)

[Brynhild]

Stop Arse Kissing mate, its embarrasing, I know your wanting to become a moderator on this site.

You're really living up to the name Fooley, aren't you? I'm not your mate for starters and I have too much fun without the burden of moderating.

[Creeping Death]

I'm not your mateYou got that straight ya Fucking retard and I thought I told you on stirpes not to bother me again.

[Brynhild]

You got that straight ya Fucking retard and I thought I told you on stirpes not to bother me again.

What the fuck are you talking about? I don't even know what the Stirpes forum is, let alone ever been on it. Get your facts straight before coming out with rubbish like this.

Someone has already warned me about who you could be, and I'm seeing chinks in your armour.

[Beorn]

LOL Daily Mail arent they renowned for their page 3 nude;)

You've lost me. What's that supposed to mean?

[Osweo]

LOL Daily Mail arent they renowned for their page 3 nude;)
Er, no, they're not! :p You're thinking of the Sun, Star, a few others.
The Mail is a very conservative paper.

You got that straight ya Fucking retard and I thought I told you on stirpes not to bother me again.
Fine way to talk to a woman. You are indeed a sorry individual, aren't you? :(

[Aemma]

You got that straight ya Fucking retard and I thought I told you on stirpes not to bother me again.

There will be none of that damn shit here, Brian Foley.

Mind your manners! And yes you may quite consider this as a warning!

Aemma--supermoderator

[Beorn]

Policeman shot dead in Northern Ireland as province teeters on the brink (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160773/Policeman-shot-dead-Northern-Ireland-province-teeters-brink.html)

A policeman was murdered in Northern Ireland last night days after two British soldiers were killed by republicans.
The unnamed officer was shot dead in a patrol car in the Lismore Manor area of Craigavon, Co Armagh, 30 miles away from Belfast.
Some reports suggest the policeman was shot in the head.

The incident, which happened less than 48 hours after two British soldiers were shot dead by the Real IRA, has fuelled concerns that sectarianism has returned to Northern Ireland.
Last night a leading Northern Ireland politician warned that 'we were staring into the abyss'.
Good quote from the article: "The IRA is unique in human history that they've survived for so long. Violent Irish republicanism is like a religion. It is entirely impervious to political reality, generations of democratic elections and the will of the Irish people. These people are fanatics. They have a distorted world view and want to bring down the Good Friday agreement by violence."

[Electronic God-Man]

I tried reading through this thread but I have noticed that there is a lot of back-story and details that I am just not clear on.

Can anyone produce some good accounts of the situation, I mean the whole damn thing from beginning to now I suppose (multiple sources would be just fine). I'll read them over. I realize that the Irishmen/VA will probably give me certain sources and people like Loyalist will offer quite different ones...that's understood, and I don't care. I'll sort it out myself.

I'm unsure of where I stand in this. Most of all, I really wouldn't want to see any more Ulstermen or Irish die over this. But maybe sometimes people have to die for what they believe in.

Edit: And I would really like to know more particularly about the "Real IRA" and what they stand for. That, of course, will go a long way in determining how I feel about this mess.

[Creeping Death]

Fine way to talk to a woman. You are indeed a sorry individual, aren't you? :(
That nut I read her thread concerning silverfern.

There will be none of that damn shit here, Brian Foley.

Mind your manners! And yes you may quite consider this as a warning!

Aemma--supermoderator
Ah do what you want to do, Im sick of the anti-Irish shit here.

[Cenél nEógain]

If they had engaged the barracks as legitimate soldiers and fought with armed soldiers prepared for such an attack; or at least, the foresight to believe they were in an open war situation, then yes, they would be nothing like the cowards that actually shot from the inside of a car upon unarmed, off duty soldiers collecting their pizza delivery.
Oh, and let's not forget the pizza men who were also shot down.

You don't seem to understand the principals of guerilla warfare. Why would the weaker force confront something so strong in a conventional manner?


Shall we be expecting an announcement soon declaring that though it was unfortunate they were shot, they should not have been colluding with the...blah blah blah?

Well if they gave an excuse, it would be one more than the British army are used to avoiding when they massacre thousands of Afghans, or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis...


What is so "economically valid" about this attack then?

Where did I say something was economically valid about it?



They are terrorists. Pure and simple. No cover-up. No propaganda. Just outright cowardly murderers.

No, the real terrorists are the british army. Those men average one war per decade. They attacked Germany. They attacked Ireland. They attacked Iran. They attacked Iraq. They attacked Afghanistan. And in each of those wars they carried out unspeakable warcrimes including genocide. You bellyache over one or two guerilla fighters who have a legitmate beef, whilst your own people are off wiping out entire cities? Please. :rolleyes:

[Creeping Death]

No, the real terrorists are the british army. Those men average one war per decade. They attacked Germany.
Thats true who declared war on Germany first?

[Osweo]

You don't seem to understand the principals of guerilla warfare. Why would the weaker force confront something so strong in a conventional manner?
This sort of warfare would be justified if the British Army had recently invaded a sovereign Ireland, and went round shooting people, 'disappearing' politicians, raping women and setting fire to property. This is not the case.

We have all inherited a situation from the past, and those acting now are no more responsible for 1916 than they are for what went on in the 1500s.

What we have now is an area in Ireland inhabited by a large compact number of descendants of settlers from Britain, who do not wish to leave. Scattered pockets of descendants of the Gaelic population of Ulster are not delighted at the result of compromise between Dublin and London, and so go round killing people. So the army gets sent in. More people get killed. Where the hell is the way out of this except for the killers to foresake the killing and let things simmer down. Then they might even reach some of their aims. But they want 100% or nothing, which is just stupid.

You offer nothing but death, dressed up in romantic language.

[Cenél nEógain]

Thats true who declared war on Germany first?

Britain. In fact, as I remember it, all concerned were sueing for peace but the spanner in the works was Churchill. France declared war too, obviously. France actually invaded Germany (Saarland) before quickly retreating. The fact that Germany was responding to ethnic massacres, declarations of war, economic yid boycotts and outright invasion is mysteriously dropped from the pages of Bolshevik history.

[Cenél nEógain]

This sort of warfare would be justified if the British Army had recently invaded a sovereign Ireland, and went round shooting people, 'disappearing' politicians, raping women and setting fire to property. This is not the case.

By that reasoning, the USSR had every right to hold its grip over Poland and her neighbours just because it passed a certain quota of years in doing so. :rolleyes: I suppose Germany had no right to her former territories in WWII because they'd left it a while before Hitler said enough.

[Osweo]

By that reasoning, the USSR had every right to hold its grip over Poland and her neighbours just because it passed a certain quota of years in doing so. :rolleyes:
Nope, because there are not substantial and rooted enclaves of Russians present there.

I suppose Germany had no right to her former territories in WWII because they'd left it a while before Hitler said enough.
Germany's position with regard to the parts of Silesia and so on is quite a good analogy to ours with Ulster, actually. Germans had been there for centuries, and had developed distinct regional identities.

[Æmeric]

The Brits could leave & let the Loyalists & Nationalists go at it. But then the UN would have to assemble a peacekeeping force to save the Nationalists. The British Army is there as much for the protection of the Nationalists as the Loyalists. Without the British Army to maintain the peace, Ulster would have become like Lebanon. As bad as the troubles have been over the last 40-years it has never compared to Lebanon because the British Army was there.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Where the hell is the way out of this except for the killers to foresake the killing and let things simmer down. Then they might even reach some of their aims. But they want 100% or nothing, which is just stupid.

You offer nothing but death, dressed up in romantic language.

Indeed, the 'nationalists' (who have nothing offer in terms of nationalist economics which actually makes them appear to be useless Establishment tools in my mind...) are like the Plasticinians in this way.

100% or nothing?

End up with nothing.


Nope, because there are not substantial and rooted enclaves of Russians present there.

Germany's position with regard to the parts of Silesia and so on is quite a good analogy to ours with Ulster, actually. Germans had been there for centuries, and had developed distinct regional identities.

Quite and my granny was one of them, in Poland, even with a Polish surname.

But that sort of politics is so peripheral when compared with the threat from the mass immigration, which is everywhere including the Republic of Ireland.

How this translates into an exclusively British problem in that context I have no idea, and what do these people have to offer in terms of solution?

Nothing except appealing in a rather Marxoid fashion to the poorer republican community, and violence, and that is not a solution.


The Brits could leave & let the Loyalists & Nationalists go at it. But then the UN would have to assemble a peacekeeping force to save the Nationalists. The British Army is there as much for the protection of the Nationalists as the Loyalists. Without the British Army to maintain the peace, Ulster would have become like Lebanon. As bad as the troubles have been over the last 40-years it has never compared to Lebanon because the British Army was there.

You know, my father is an Anglican priest, and as a family we would stand up for the silly national anthem and all that crap, but we were an apolitical family and there were are few things which we never discussed in our house.

Money, sex, politics and actually, religion.

One thing that I remember from childhood is my mother impressing upon me what a weasel Gerry Adams was, from a totally apolitical perspective.

Whenever his blacked out face (it was always blacked out during the 80s) came on the television she would boom "It's that weasel of a man again!".

Her sentiments were that the conflict would never end and that Britain should withdraw and let them all at it. That was a rather cruel thing to say, looking back, but I wonder...

Years later I read BNP John Tyndall's wonderful book, "The Eleventh Hour", and here it came up again. Tyndall felt that the Loyalist paramilitaries should simply be allowed to do what ever they had to do to remove the IRA.

Opinions not so different. :coffee:

[SwordoftheVistula]

Both countries are now representative parliamentary republics with religious freedom and members of the EU. What's the fight over? The only real difference between the two countries is one uses the Pound and the other the Euro.

[Beorn]

You don't seem to understand the principals of guerilla warfare. Why would the weaker force confront something so strong in a conventional manner?

I didn't question whether they were or were not abiding by the terms of guerilla warfare, I was discussing the fact they are cowards.

And as has been shown, they were cowards of the highest order.


Well if they gave an excuse, it would be one more than the British army are used to avoiding when they massacre thousands of Afghans, or hundreds of thousands of Iraqis...

I'll think you'll find the British Army are simple killers. There is no way of hiding that fact. I don't particularly agree with the modern frontiers with which the Army are engaging in, but they haven't just killed an unarmed man during peace time.

Compare all you like.


No, the real terrorists are the British army. Those men average one war per decade.

They fit the definition of one. They must be one.


They attacked Germany. They attacked Ireland. They attacked Iran. They attacked Iraq. They attacked Afghanistan.

● Irrespective of the supposed ulterior motives, Britain attacked Germany to honour their treaty with Poland and to halt an aggressive competitor.

● They attacked Ireland because they knew you to be weak and defenceless.

● They invaded Iran in 1941 to tactically eliminate potential allies to Germany. They departed from Iran near on the end of the war.

● Iraq was a mistake, as was Afghanistan, but to state that hundreds of thousands have died directly at British hands is outrageous and ridiculous.



And in each of those wars they carried out unspeakable war-crimes including genocide.


Which genocides would those be?


You bellyache over one or two TERRORISTS who have a legitmate beef, whilst your own people are off wiping out entire cities?

Hardly legitimate. More a legitimate way to justify cold blooded murder.
Something which the British Army are always being accused of by you and your own; when you can't even see the shit on the tip of your very noses.

The Irish screaming about the horror of the British, is akin to the Jews crying about the holocaust.

Both you and the Jews are the same. Bellyaching with a knife behind your back.