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Peterski
02-05-2019, 08:17 AM
DA111 is already on GEDmatch (kit Z302274) but uploaded from a lower coverage source with fewer SNPs in K36:

75613 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.27 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.25 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.32 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.26 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 12.29 Pct
Iberian 27.68 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.09 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.00 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 21.36 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 8.48 Pct

https://i.imgur.com/57PYHuz.png

I uploaded it again now from another source with a larger file which after processing has higher coverage in K36:

GEDmatch kit - RL9361341

94673 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.74 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.94 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.01 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 5.65 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.98 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 13.59 Pct
Iberian 24.60 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 1.88 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.68 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 17.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 6.63 Pct

The results are similar but slightly different with higher overall similarity to modern West European populations:

Highest similarity to Bretagne (77) and Central France (76) instead of Bretagne (72) and Ulster (72) like before:

https://i.imgur.com/Q91iH0N.png

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Edit:

Now he is even closer to modern French people than with fewer SNPs:

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 48.62
2 West_Med 23.15
3 Baltic 18.97
4 East_Med 7.5
5 West_Asian 1.09
6 Red_Sea 0.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.88
2 South_Dutch 9.25
3 Southwest_English 9.91
4 Southwest_French 10.01
5 Southeast_English 10.04
6 Spanish_Cataluna 10.5
7 West_German 10.81
8 Spanish_Cantabria 10.95
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.64
10 Orcadian 12.29
11 Spanish_Galicia 12.42
12 Spanish_Aragon 12.72
13 Spanish_Valencia 12.79
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.85
15 West_Scottish 12.96
16 Portuguese 12.99
17 Irish 13.19
18 Spanish_Murcia 13.45
19 North_Dutch 14.06
20 Spanish_Extremadura 14.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% Southwest_French + 49.9% Southeast_English @ 2.89
2 50.3% Southwest_English + 49.7% Southwest_French @ 3.02
3 57% Southwest_French + 43% West_Scottish @ 3.21
4 55.6% Southwest_French + 44.4% Orcadian @ 3.23
5 62.7% Southwest_French + 37.3% Norwegian @ 3.48
6 59.2% Southwest_French + 40.8% North_Dutch @ 3.49
7 57.6% Southwest_French + 42.4% Irish @ 3.5
8 60% Southwest_French + 40% Danish @ 3.59
9 56.4% Spanish_Aragon + 43.6% Norwegian @ 3.61
10 52.5% Southeast_English + 47.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.65
11 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.66
12 56.6% Southeast_English + 43.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.71
13 81.1% Southwest_English + 18.9% Sardinian @ 3.71
14 50.9% Orcadian + 49.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.81
15 53.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 46.8% Orcadian @ 3.83
16 57% Southwest_English + 43% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.84
17 58.9% Spanish_Aragon + 41.1% Swedish @ 3.89
18 66.4% South_Dutch + 33.6% French_Basque @ 3.89
19 54.7% Spanish_Cantabria + 45.3% West_Scottish @ 3.94
20 52.7% Spanish_Aragon + 47.3% North_Dutch @ 3.97

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 37.08
2 North_Sea 27.24
3 West_Med 16.44
4 Baltic 11.16
5 East_Med 2.73
6 Eastern_Euro 2.57
7 West_Asian 1.89
8 Red_Sea 0.88

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_French 11.3
2 French 11.31
3 Spanish_Cataluna 11.42
4 South_Dutch 11.86
5 Spanish_Cantabria 11.9
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.94
7 Southwest_English 11.97
8 Spanish_Aragon 12.71
9 Southeast_English 12.8
10 Spanish_Valencia 13.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.35
12 Spanish_Murcia 13.77
13 Irish 13.78
14 Portuguese 14.2
15 Spanish_Galicia 14.32
16 Spanish_Extremadura 14.52
17 West_Scottish 14.7
18 French_Basque 14.88
19 North_German 15.22
20 Spanish_Andalucia 15.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.3% French_Basque + 47.7% North_Dutch @ 3.81
2 58.7% French_Basque + 41.3% Swedish @ 3.89
3 52.1% Irish + 47.9% French_Basque @ 3.93
4 54.2% Southeast_English + 45.8% French_Basque @ 4.27
5 58.7% French_Basque + 41.3% West_Norwegian @ 4.34
6 56.1% Southwest_English + 43.9% French_Basque @ 4.37
7 50.3% West_Scottish + 49.7% French_Basque @ 4.39
8 57.8% French_Basque + 42.2% Norwegian @ 4.44
9 50.6% French_Basque + 49.4% North_German @ 4.44
10 52.5% French_Basque + 47.5% Danish @ 4.54
11 52.2% French_Basque + 47.8% Orcadian @ 4.83
12 56.8% South_Dutch + 43.2% French_Basque @ 5.5
13 61.7% French_Basque + 38.3% North_Swedish @ 5.59
14 56.2% Southwest_French + 43.8% Irish @ 5.6
15 52.6% French_Basque + 47.4% West_German @ 5.64
16 52.5% Spanish_Aragon + 47.5% Irish @ 5.74
17 58.2% Southwest_French + 41.8% West_Scottish @ 5.83
18 54.5% Spanish_Aragon + 45.5% West_Scottish @ 6.05
19 61.1% Southwest_French + 38.9% Orcadian @ 6.14
20 54.2% Southwest_French + 45.8% Southeast_English @ 6.14

Coastal Elite
02-09-2019, 07:14 AM
How about "Hallstatt" as first name for a male? Someone should consider this.

Leto
02-09-2019, 07:31 AM
How about "Hallstatt" as first name for a male? Someone should consider this.
In German it is pronounced as /ˈhalʃtat/
https://forvo.com/word/hallstatt/#de

Bellbeaking
02-10-2019, 12:12 AM
Beaker britain + halstatt(OP) + anglosaxons = modern english people?

XenophobicPrussian
02-11-2019, 02:35 PM
Don't mean to brag, but I've been saying the original Celts(Hallstatt-La Tene) were going to be French-like for awhile now, just because that'd need to be the case in order for modern central/south Germans to be admixed with the migration period Germanics, and there was already a Tumulus culture sample like this as well as French-like outliers in Tollense. It's only one sample and the other one is different but that one is likely a Czech Beaker/CW leftover while the French-like one is a migrant from the core Hallstatt areas like Switzerland, Bavaria, Austria, etc.

Also shows the whole concept of "Hallstatt Nordid" is bullshit because the people buried in Hallstatt, if they were genetically like this guy which is most likely, they would've looked like Charles de Gaulle, not some Swede.

Peterski
02-13-2019, 03:49 AM
Don't mean to brag, but I've been saying the original Celts(Hallstatt-La Tene) were going to be French-like for awhile now

In case if you didn't notice, he is about as similar to the British and Irish as he is to the French (see the similarity map I posted).

Coastal Elite
02-13-2019, 03:57 AM
In case if you didn't notice, he is about as similar to the British and Irish as he is to the French (see the similarity map I posted).

The strange part is that they don't seem very strong in any one area. Nothing above 72 as far as I can see. Typically that is the case for mixed people. Somewhat similar to my version of the same map.

Peterski
02-13-2019, 04:03 AM
The strange part is that they don't seem very strong in any one area. Nothing above 72 as far as I can see. Typically that is the case for mixed people.

For mixed people, or for populations which no longer exist in unmixed (pure) forms - apparently no population today is 100% descended from Hallstatt.

In thix context, it is quite impressive that a hunter-gatherer from Northern Norway who lived almost 6000 years ago has scores above 80 in this map:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277794-North-Norwegian-Hunter-Gatherer-on-GEDmatch

Coastal Elite
02-13-2019, 04:13 AM
For mixed people, or for populations which no longer exist in unmixed (pure) forms - apparently no population today is 100% descended from Hallstatt.

In thix context, it is quite impressive that a hunter-gatherer from Northern Norway who lived almost 6000 years ago has scores above 80 in this map:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277794-North-Norwegian-Hunter-Gatherer-on-GEDmatch

That makes sense and it is amazing that Estonians would be so close to hunter-gatherers from Northern Norway from almost 6,000 years ago. Pretty bad ass. I wish I had that strong of a link to a singular ancient people. I think some people did get high scores for that British Celt map that I believe you posted.

Dick
02-13-2019, 04:26 AM
For mixed people, or for populations which no longer exist in unmixed (pure) forms - apparently no population today is 100% descended from Hallstatt.

In thix context, it is quite impressive that a hunter-gatherer from Northern Norway who lived almost 6000 years ago has scores above 80 in this map:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277794-North-Norwegian-Hunter-Gatherer-on-GEDmatch

I'm not surprised. I've always stated that Germanic was influenced by some obscure indigenous northwest Eurasian people in Scandinavia(the same way Latin was influenced by the non Indo-European Etruscans) and mythology which they obviously borrowed from proto-Finns.

Coastal Elite
02-13-2019, 04:38 AM
Just uncovered, a photo a true Hallstatt Celt DA111, 850-700 BC

https://i.imgur.com/k0ABKJE.jpg

coolfrenchguy
02-23-2019, 11:52 PM
Anthropological study of Ukrainians An anthropological study of Ukrainians made it possible to make the statement that the Ukrainian nation is distinct and separate from other nations. It concerns not only language, history, culture, etc., but also in the biological sense – the level of the population, consanguinity (blood relationship).
According to researchers, the ethnic territory of Ukraine is divided into five anthropological areas:


Central Ukrainian;
Carpathian;
Lower Dnipro-Prut;
Valday (or Desnyansk);
Ilmen-Dnipro.

Four of them (except the Carpathian) have parallels with Belarus and Russia. But, what is very important, no significant differences or sharp transitions were found between all anthropological areas. The average anthropological indicators of all the areas are quite close to indicators of the most widespread and large Central Ukrainian area (the majority of Ukrainians).
So, relative physical resemblance, typical for most Ukrainians, is called «Ukrainian anthropological type». In the early 20th century, it was found that Ukrainian anthropological type consists of two main types: Dinaric, which covers 44,5% of the Ukrainian population, and Alpine – 22% of Ukrainians. So:


Dinaric type can be characterized by following physical traits: tall stature, brachycephaly (short shape of head), brown or dark blond hair, matt-white skin, oblong face and straight, thin or aquiline nose;
Alpine type, which has following traits: below-average height, hypersthenic constitution (big-boned), low and broad face, retreating forehead, sharp brachycephaly, dark (from chestnut to black) pigmentation of hair and dark eyes.

Comparative characteristics of Ukrainians We often hear that both Russian and Ukrainian physical features can be described as common Slavic people features. But is it true?
Let’s start with facial features. When we talk about Russian phenotype we have in mind such features as light skin, light-colored (gray or blue) eyes, light brown or fair hair color. The closer to the Urals, the more common is the inward slant of the eyes. As for Ukrainian facial features, we can mention that dark hair and dark eyes are more common for the original Ukrainian. In fact, in the east of Ukraine, people with light-colored eyes and fair hair occur more often. And there are more Ukrainians with relatively dark-colored eyes and hair in the Western part.

An average Ukrainian face has round shape in contrast with Russian and Belorussian long shape. Ukrainian skin tone varies from light to comparatively dark as well. A lot of sun makes Ukrainian skin a little darker in the south of the country.
What about Ukrainian physical characteristics? Is there a difference? It appears that upper extremities in Ukrainians are shorter than in Russians and, in contrast, lower extremities are longer. Ukrainian ladies can be proud of their legs.
A fresh approach to Ukrainian genetic traits Just 10 years ago, it would seem fantastic that scientists can establish the origin of a nation with a high degree of accuracy due to genetic analysis. A large-scale genetic study was carried out among Ukrainians using the latest technologies and attracting the best world experts.
So, genes of what ancient civilizations do Ukrainian representatives carry? Let’s figure it out. The following main lines of Ukrainian nation’s origin were identified during the newest massive genetic study:


Celtic origin. Every fifteenth Ukrainian carries a chromosome, which ties him with Scottish, Irish and English peoples. Celts were a very powerful civilization, which was able to colonize a half of the continent. The secret of their progress was simple – they were first who learned how to work iron. Celtic culture had a direct impact on Ukrainians, for example the famous haircut “mushroom cut” was one of the varieties of Celtic national hairstyles. By the way, long Cossack mustaches came from the Celts as well. Such traits as: fair or ginger hair, light color of eyes, long thin face, light skin tone (sometimes with freckles) are particular for Ukrainians with Celtic gene.
Scandinavian origin. Every sixth Ukrainian carries the Y-chromosome of Scandinavian or Finnish nations. Vikings came to Ukrainian lands as military elite for the personal guard of the princes and kings. And of course, they made a contribution not only into customs and culture, but also into the genetic stock of the whole Ukrainian nation. Scandinavian gene brought cold features, such as blond hair, straight nose, very light skin in Ukrainian appearance.
Trypillian origin. As the results of the study show, one in five Ukrainians carries the Trypillian gene. Trypillians are the earliest settled population on the territory of Ukraine. They settled there because they found the ideal ground for agriculture. They were farmers and were the first who planted wheat and buckwheat in Ukraine. Trypillians were representatives of the Mediterranean type of appearance. They were of a low stature, but well-shaped, thin-boned, with dark hair and dark eyes.
Aryan origin. More than half of Ukrainian study group carry the chromosome of Aryans. They were tall, broad-shouldered, with light skin and fair hair. At the time when Aryans lived on the present-day Ukrainian territory, the average annual temperature fell sharply by many degrees, which led to a severe climate (cold snap) and seriously affected the human population. There were only two places in Europe where Arian people could escape from the cold: Ukraine and the Iberian Peninsula.

So, some scientists believe that Ukraine is the cradle of the white race of the present civilization.



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Tenma de Pegasus
02-24-2019, 01:33 AM
Very western euro results

dududud
05-02-2020, 10:03 PM
Just uncovered, a photo a true Hallstatt Celt DA111, 850-700 BC

https://i.imgur.com/k0ABKJE.jpg

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321801-France_IA-K15-Map&p=6669582#post6669582