What is the percentage of gypsies in Romania and Bulgaria?

[Deneb]

While a football team (Calarasi, in Southestern Romania) is not an exact representation of a nationality, I'll find striking that a good percentage of these players seem to have a gypsy or pseudo gypsy look

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[Valwar]

Bulgaria: 4.4% (325,343 people) (2011 census)
Romania: 3.1% (621,573 people) (2011 census)

I don't how how many are mixed with them though.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Bulgaria: 4.4% (325,343 people)
Romania: 3.1% (621,573 people)

I don't how how many are mixed with them though.

These are the official numbers but in reality it is at least 10% of the population if not more. The majority of Romani descent do not declare themselves as Roma in the census.

[Deneb]

Bulgaria: 4.4% (325,343 people)
Romania: 3.1% (621,573 people)

I don't how how many are mixed with them though.

Thanks, that must be the official figure. But I think there must be many more mixed, because 3% is very little, it's almost imperceptible.

[Deneb]

These are the official numbers but in reality it is at least 10% of the population if not more. The majority of Romani descent do not declare themselves as Roma in the census.

I agree.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thanks, that must be the official figure. But I think there must be many more mixed, because 3% is very little, it's almost imperceptible.

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[Valwar]

Thanks, that must be the official figure. But I think there must be many more mixed, because 3% is very little, it's almost imperceptible.

These are the official numbers but in reality it is at least 10% of the population if not more. The majority of Romani descent do not declare themselves as Roma in the census.

Yeah, users from Romania and Bulgaria can probably provide better insight, but I find that people's own estimations are often unreliable, they tend to overestimate. See this for example:

http://i.imgur.com/fOAmIif.png

[CommonSense]

Thanks, that must be the official figure. But I think there must be many more mixed, because 3% is very little, it's almost imperceptible.

Hardly any of the Roma + Balkan mixed people, and there are more and more of them as time goes by, identify as Gypsies. If among the term Gypsy you include those with at least one Gypsy grandparent, then their numbers are definitely over 10%.

[RN97]

Gypsies are just getting more and more. Romania, contrary to popular belief does not have the largest gypsy population per capita, likely that's Bulgaria, but in raw numbers, yes, Romania has the biggest gypsy population that's probably around 8-10% of the total population. It used to be a lot lower.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Gypsies are just getting more and more. Romania, contrary to popular belief does not have the largest gypsy population per capita, likely that's Bulgaria, but in raw numbers, yes, Romania has the biggest gypsy population that's probably around 8-10% of the total population. It used to be a lot lower.

Spain has also one of the largest gipsy communities by raw numbers, at least one million if not more. Percentage wise they represent a much lower percentage considering that Spain has nearly 47 million inhabitants.

[Rouxinol]

Football players usually come from the lower classes and those classes are more prone to mixing with gypsies, negroes and other outcasts. That’s especially true in Southern European teams. Football is the easiest way to climb the social ladder to those low-IQ individuals. Otherwise they’d probably end up as thugs or losers with no purpose in life.

[Tong]

Went to hungary very recently. Gypsies there are extremely recognisable and there's a lot of them. At least 1/4 of the people I saw

[Tong]

Football players usually come from the lower classes and those classes are more prone to mixing with gypsies, negroes and other outcasts. That’s especially true in Southern European teams. Football is the easiest way to climb the social ladder to those low-IQ individuals. Otherwise they’d probably end up as thugs or losers with no purpose in life.

sounds like you have envy how they succeeded despite a shitty childhood lol

[aherne]

Hard to tell, because so many people are mixed. Also it depends how you define a Gypsy: someone that looks fully or partially Indian or someone that is ethnically Gypsy (knows the language, belongs to Gypsy culture). The two criteria do not overlap perfectly: many ethnic Gypsies are almost indistinguishable from natives, many self-ascribed natives look almost Indian. In a way, Romania is like Brazil: the two racial types (European and Indian) blend on both sides... Because people are mixed, it is fully possible for a native looking couple to have an Indian looking child (look at Madalina Ghenea and her parents) or the reverse is even more possible (since most Romanians have no Gypsy admixture, but all gypsies have Romanian admixture).

[Kouros]

There's like only 1 person in their who looks like he might have South Asian ancestry... If people stopped calling anyone with a remotely dark complexion 'gypsy' this thread wouldn't exist.

[Roy]

Bulgaria: 4.4% (325,343 people) (2011 census)
Romania: 3.1% (621,573 people) (2011 census)

I don't how how many are mixed with them though.


I remember reading that an average Romanian scores about 1,5-2% of South Asian in genetic calculators, well it means ... that they have mixed up with each other quite significantly since the arrival of Gypsies in the Middle Ages. Surely there must be some who score more or these who claim Romanian descent but who have Gypsy ancestry down the line (even if they are unaware of it). But in fact it's rather the other way around, Gypsies all have some Romanian ancestry.

[Dacul]

Germans are equivalent to Gypsies, from my point of view.
So, a Romanian marrying a German, means that he or she married a Gypsie.
Gypsie is a state of spirit,in Romanian language, not only Indian ancestry.

[cyrus]

The individuals in question are: nr. 3, nr. 9 and nr. 11, the mixed ones are nr. 8 and nr. 17.

84763
84764
84765
and the mixed ones:
84767
84766

[Roy]

Germans are equivalent to Gypsies, from my point of view.
So, a Romanian marrying a German, means that he or she married a Gypsie.
Gypsie is a state of spirit,in Romanian language, not only Indian ancestry.

It's interesting, coming from a native Romanian :) I was unaware of.

[bulgar]

I would say that they're about 10-15% in Bulgaria or 800k in total number.