Slovene Eurogenes K15 PCA

[willbaska]

This forum is related to the Croatian one seemed to be controlled by Nato. Sadly, my computer is old and I am not able to use any drawing software to locate coordinates on the K15 map. The coordinates I will release are from my aunt, who is 100% Slovene. Her mother is from Travnik, Loški Potok. Her father is from Zgornji Čačič, Osilnica. Her coordinates are X- 403, Y- 174. Hope this could be help. Again this is Southern Slovenia near Čabar, Croatia.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Unsuprisingly, she plots with Austrians.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/1znljdh.jpg

[willbaska]

She plots a little more north then I expected but cool, I guess. I have a cousin 1x removed that is half Slovene half Croatian. Her mother is from Zgornji Čačič, Osilnica and father is from Hrvatsko, Gorski-Kotar, Croatia. Though her father's name is usually a Slovene name, I can trace that family back generations in Croatia alone staying in Hrvatsko and Lukovdol, Gorski-Kotar. Her X axis is 448 her Y axis is 175

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

She plots a little more north then I expected but cool, I guess. I have a cousin 1x removed that is half Slovene half Croatian. Her mother is from Zgornji Čačič, Osilnica and father is from Hrvatsko, Gorski-Kotar, Croatia. Though her father's name is usually a Slovene name, I can trace that family back generations in Croatia alone staying in Hrvatsko and Lukovdol, Gorski-Kotar. Her X axis is 448 her Y axis is 175

She plots closer to Croats and more eastern. Similar like me which is expected since I'm of same stock generally (half Slovene half North Croat)

http://oi65.tinypic.com/x0wx1t.jpg

[Luke35]

She plots a little more north then I expected but cool, I guess. I have a cousin 1x removed that is half Slovene half Croatian. Her mother is from Zgornji Čačič, Osilnica and father is from Hrvatsko, Gorski-Kotar, Croatia. Though her father's name is usually a Slovene name, I can trace that family back generations in Croatia alone staying in Hrvatsko and Lukovdol, Gorski-Kotar. Her X axis is 448 her Y axis is 175

Interesting, she plots very close to me, a half Hungarian half German. I am a little south and west of her.

[CommonSense]

I guess the Slovenes aren't very patrotic or interested much in their origin since there aren't any Slovene members here as far as I know and this is actually the first Slovene gedmatch kit I've seen in my life. But, yes, the results make sense as Nato said. They, along with Czechs, are the Slavs who have the highest amount of German ancestry.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Maybe you're interested to see another Slovene gedmatch results.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?275893-Slovene-gedmatch-from-Gorenjska-(Upper-Carniola)

This is where he plots:

https://i.imgur.com/qiIMG0h.png

Really close to Slovene you posted. He's related to me.

[Alenka]

I guess the Slovenes aren't very patrotic or interested much in their origin since there aren't any Slovene members here as far as I know and this is actually the first Slovene gedmatch kit I've seen in my life. But, yes, the results make sense as Nato said. They, along with Czechs, are the Slavs who have the highest amount of German ancestry.
Not necessarily German. It may be way older than that. For example, Italians from the bordering region of Friuli are very west shifted. Slovenes, from what I've seen, tend to plot on the axis between North Italians and core Slavic groups.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Not necessarily German. It may be way older than that. For example, Italians from the bordering region of Friuli are very west shifted. Slovenes, from what I've seen, tend to plot on the axis between North Italians and core Slavic groups.

There is lot of German admixture though. Take in account southern Germans have strong local substratum that isn't Germanic but Celtic and even some med/Roman to some degree. Similar like North Italians.
Pretty sure you have some ancestors who have German family names but were Slovene speakers. In my family there's quite a bit and none of them had German identity.

German surnames among Slovenes aren't taken as sign of foreign ancestry I would say.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Full ethnic Austrians have some genuine Balkan ancestry for example that's probably very old. There were some Illyrians in modern day south-east Austria.
Probably this Celtic-Illyrian substratum is shared between NE Italians , Slovenes and Austrians.

[Mingle]

There is lot of German admixture though. Take in account southern Germans have strong local substratum that isn't Germanic but Celtic and even some med/Roman to some degree. Similar like North Italians.
Pretty sure you have some ancestors who have German family names but were Slovene speakers. In my family there's quite a bit and none of them had German identity.

German surnames among Slovenes aren't taken as sign of foreign ancestry I would say.

On another thread, Slovenes and Croats were modeled on nMonte using German and Slavic components (among other components as well), and the difference in the German component between Slovenes and Croats wasn't anything significant. The main impact that Germans had on Slovenes was cultural rather than genetic.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

On another thread, Slovenes and Croats were modeled on nMonte using German and Slavic components (among other components as well), and the difference in the German component between Slovenes and Croats wasn't anything significant. The main impact that Germans had on Slovenes was cultural rather than genetic.

That's simply false. How was there no genetic impact when east-central Austrians and Slovenes are practically same people genetically ?
Germanic YDNA varies from 20-40% in Slovenia while in Croatia from 5-20%.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Germanic_Europe.gif

nMonte looks like crap to me also.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Dick]

That's simply false. How was there no genetic impact when east-central Austrians and Slovenes are practically same people genetically ?
Germanic YDNA varies from 20-40% in Slovenia while in Croatia from 5-20%.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Germanic_Europe.gif

nMonte looks like crap to me also.

I don't know how accurate this is


https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/2a455fce-cd74-4375-9833-ba3072ef7b67/d8fztsi-2a9c8929-34f3-4751-946b-fd64d2a7d5b3.png/v1/fill/w_1150,h_695,q_70,strp/germanic_y_dna_combined_haplogroups_by_arminius187 1_d8fztsi-pre.jpg

[Ayetooey]

I don't know how accurate this is


https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/2a455fce-cd74-4375-9833-ba3072ef7b67/d8fztsi-2a9c8929-34f3-4751-946b-fd64d2a7d5b3.png/v1/fill/w_1150,h_695,q_70,strp/germanic_y_dna_combined_haplogroups_by_arminius187 1_d8fztsi-pre.jpg

That map is pretty. 50-60% in England also? Saxon pride.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Looks like same map bro. Region where my father is from is in 30-40% range.

[Ayetooey]

Full ethnic Austrians have some genuine Balkan ancestry for example that's probably very old. There were some Illyrians in modern day south-east Austria.
Probably this Celtic-Illyrian substratum is shared between NE Italians , Slovenes and Austrians.

Many people forget this, Austrians aren't just Germanic with Slavic ancestry, they have partial Balkan. Hitler himself was EV-13 lol.

[Dick]

Many people forget this, Austrians aren't just Germanic with Slavic ancestry, they have partial Balkan. Hitler himself was EV-13 lol.

Similar neolithic input, yes.

[Coastal Elite]

Many people forget this, Austrians aren't just Germanic with Slavic ancestry, they have partial Balkan. Hitler himself was EV-13 lol.

E-V13 makes great leaders? Ok, I’ll agree

[Ayetooey]

E-V13 makes great leaders? Ok, I’ll agree

https://i.imgur.com/Ayh5Q55.png

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Many people forget this, Austrians aren't just Germanic with Slavic ancestry, they have partial Balkan. Hitler himself was EV-13 lol.

Illyrian brother.

[Coastal Elite]

https://i.imgur.com/Ayh5Q55.png

lol!!! I love it, love it. So many E-V13 fans out there.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

E-V13 makes great leaders? Ok, I’ll agree

Garibaldi and Napoleon also.

[Alenka]

There is lot of German admixture though. Take in account southern Germans have strong local substratum that isn't Germanic but Celtic and even some med/Roman to some degree. Similar like North Italians.

As soon as the proto-Slovenes settled these lands, they encountered a Roman descended population. In Slovenia this is basic knowledge of history we learn in elementary school. Are you not familiar with the Slovene ethnogenesis? Here's a documentary that might be of interest if you want to learn about it:
"The successors of Rome preserved the old town culture which was heavily influenced by Christianity as is clearly evident by the symbols on jewellry, tools, and other common objects. Eventually, the autochtonous populations forsook their lifestyle in the less agreeably situated upland positions and they gradually assimilated with the newcomers. One obvious example of an indication of this is the Necropolis at Pristava near Bled, where the Slavic populations arranged their own cemetery alongside that of the romanized peoples attests to this. Investigations have demonstrated that the anatomic and cultural differences are after centuries of cohabitation entirely obliterated. The Slavs progressively neared the Adriatic coast. Their advance deeper westward into the territory of today's Italy was thwarted by the Lombards; a Germanic tribe that migrated here from the Pannonia already prior to the arrival of the Slavs. The Lombards first established the Friulian duchy in their new kingdom, it was supposed to protect the eastern border of their territory. "

https://youtu.be/hDrcrHYRtOA?t=120

German surnames among Slovenes aren't taken as sign of foreign ancestry I would say.
Actually, in Slovenia German sounding surnames can even indicate Sinti (Gypsy) ancestry or Jewish ancestry as these people are all known for bearing them here. For example a very popular local singer in Slovenia is Fredi Miller, who is a proud Romani himself.

None of this is really relevant though, because most Slovenes have surnames that sound totally Slovene. At least if we compare with the Bosniaks for example, who on the other hand, mostly have Turkish or Arabic prefixed surnames (actially even some Serbs do with surnames like Karađić, which is a prefix based on a Turkish loanword), but I'm not going to ignorantly assume that these people's southeastern plotting position (in comparison to us) is due to recent Ottoman admixture. It may be older than that. And likewise, you guys don't have to ignorantly assume that our northwestern plotting position (in comparison to you) is due to recent German admixture. It may be older than that. The implication is the same in both cases - ignorant.

[Alenka]

Probably this Celtic-Illyrian substratum is shared between NE Italians , Slovenes and Austrians.
This I would agree with.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lmao, do you hate Germans or something ? Yes ofcourse I am aware Slovenes mixed with romanized locals after settling eastern Alps.
Why did you fail to mention there was Bavarian conquest and settlement of Slovene ethnic areas after that though ? Including modern southern Austria.

Regarding surnames most of Jews have German sounding surnames in Zagreb, but we can usually distinguish between them.
My father's side were farmers so def. not Jews or Gypsies as I get zero of that kind of admixture in autosomal DNA and lot of German including haplogroup.

Slovenes are most German influenced Slavs, but they have ''southern'' ancestry as well. Genetics is clearly factual on this. North Italians themself have some Celtic and Germanic admixture other than med.

Your denial of German blood among Slovenes is most ridiculous thing I heard.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

you guys don't have to ignorantly assume that our northwestern plotting position (in comparison to you) is due to recent German admixture. It may be older than that. The implication is the same in both cases - ignorant.

Are you dumb or something ? I plot close to East Germans, Austrians and Dutch on several calculators exactly because of my Slovene (and minor Czech) ancestry.

[Alenka]

Lmao, do you hate Germans or something ? Yes ofcourse I am aware Slovenes mixed with romanized locals after settling eastern Alps.
Why did you fail to mention there was Bavarian conquest and settlement of Slovene ethnic areas after that though ? Including modern southern Austria.
Many people went through here. There were also repeated Ottoman raids to Slovene lands. Yes, even here we had to deal with them as documented in written sources. But you never mention that. I wonder why?


My father's side were farmers so def. not Jews or Gypsies as I get zero of that kind of admixture in autosomal DNA and lot of German including haplogroup.

I wasn't implying you have any of this admixture, I was just talking about German surnames since you mentioned them. I was trying to make a point that surnames like that can be foreign.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Many people went through here. There were also repeated Ottoman raids to Slovene lands. Yes, even here we had to deal with them as documented in written sources. But you never mention that. I wonder why?


I wasn't implying you have any of this admixture, I was just talking about German surnames since you mentioned them. I was trying to make a point that anyone and their momma can have a German last name.

I would mention it if you asked. Well they were but there wasn't gene flow from Ottomans unlike from Germans. Balkanites don't have Ottoman ancestry either even muslims don't.
Honestly though, what's your issue with Germans ? I never said Slovenes are German. They are south Slavs. Austrians have Slovene blood and not a little, they're still German.

You're probably Germanophobic because of WW2.

[Alenka]

Slovenes are most German influenced Slavs, but they have ''southern'' ancestry as well. Genetics is clearly factual on this. North Italians themself have some Celtic and Germanic admixture other than med.

Your denial of German blood among Slovenes is most ridiculous thing I heard.
If some Slovene person plots out of the North Italian - core Slavic axis, further towards the German cluster, then in the case of that individual I would agree there seems to be recent German admix. But if they are in line with that axis, then they aren't really any more German than a blend of North Italian and Slav would be.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

If some Slovene person plots out of the North Italian - core Slavic axis, further towards the German cluster, then in the case of that individual I would agree there seems to be recent German admix. But if they are in line with that axis, then they aren't really any more German than a blend of North Italian and Slav would be.

Do you realize both Poles and North Italians have German like ancestry is different amounts ? Poles aren't pure Slavs like Belarusians or Ukrainians. They have Germanic admixture (in western parts, not eastern though)
Look at Polish Peterski results, he's like 40% Germanic autosomaly lmao with Celtic haplogroup. YDNA chart I posted also shows how Germanic YDNA is high in western Poland.

Poland was inhabited by East Germanic tribes before Slavic settlement. Only eastern Poles are pure Balto-Slavs.
On average Slovenes and Czechs have more Celto-Germanic blood than Poles, but western Poles taken alone have similar amount (without med ancestry though)

[Mingle]

That's simply false. How was there no genetic impact when east-central Austrians and Slovenes are practically same people genetically ?
Germanic YDNA varies from 20-40% in Slovenia while in Croatia from 5-20%.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Germanic_Europe.gif

nMonte looks like crap to me also.

Practically the same people genetically?

https://i.imgur.com/oYt6N0z.png

Slovenes, NW Croats, and Hungarians are practically the same genetically. Austrians are a bit different (but also genetically similar to them of course).

The reason for the large similarity between Austrians and Slovenes is because of shared ancient ancestry in their region predating the settlement of Germans/Bavarians in the region. Prior to the Germanization/Bavarization of Austria, the people there were Slavic and genetically similar to modern Slovenes.

Also, keep in mind Austrians are around a third Germanic at most, they have a lot of Slavic, Celtic, and Southern European blood.

Your map is about Y-DNA (we don't even know how accurate it is since it's an amateur source and there isn't info on what clades they consider Germanic). I'm talking about autosomal DNA anyways. On an autosomal level, Slovenes are slightly more German than Croats.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Practically the same people genetically?

https://i.imgur.com/oYt6N0z.png

Slovenes, NW Croats, and Hungarians are practically the same genetically. Austrians are a bit different (but also genetically similar to them of course).

The reason for the large similarity between Austrians and Slovenes is because of shared ancient ancestry in their region predating the settle of Germans/Bavarians in the region. Prior to the Germanization/Bavarization of Austria, the people there were Slavic.

Also, keep in mind Austrians are around a third Germanic at most, they have a lot of Slavic, Celtic, and Southern European blood.

Your map is about Y-DNA (we don't even know how accurate it is since it's an amateur source and there isn't info on what clades they consider Germanic). I'm talking about autosomal DNA anyways. On an autosomal level, Slovenes are slightly more German than Croats.

Depends, it was already mentioned west Austrians are different from central and eastern ones. Your PCA is professional though ? :D
Map that Dick posted is same like mine and mentions which clades are considered Germanic.

[Ayetooey]

Practically the same people genetically?

https://i.imgur.com/oYt6N0z.png

Slovenes, NW Croats, and Hungarians are practically the same genetically. Austrians are a bit different (but also genetically similar to them of course).

The reason for the large similarity between Austrians and Slovenes is because of shared ancient ancestry in their region predating the settlement of Germans/Bavarians in the region. Prior to the Germanization/Bavarization of Austria, the people there were Slavic and genetically similar to modern Slovenes.

Also, keep in mind Austrians are around a third Germanic at most, they have a lot of Slavic, Celtic, and Southern European blood.

Your map is about Y-DNA (we don't even know how accurate it is since it's an amateur source and there isn't info on what clades they consider Germanic). I'm talking about autosomal DNA anyways. On an autosomal level, Slovenes are slightly more German than Croats.

Slovenians are completely North-West shifted on that map towards Germans, and away from Croatians.

[Ayetooey]

By the way, my 2nd top matches on k15 mapping, global 25 singular, and on lucas k36 were all slovenian at relatively close levels, considering I am half British (so germanic/celtic) that should tell you something.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

By the way, my 2nd top matches on k15 mapping, global 25 singular, and on lucas k36 were all slovenian at relatively close levels, considering I am half British (so germanic/celtic) that should tell you something.

They're in denial. You plot like full Slovenian basically.

[Ayetooey]

I'm going to question here how much of a reliable source global 25 is. I'm running balkanite samples through various calcs, the Serbian sample only scores 70% Serbian on k16 modern as an example lmao. How can a sample only score 70% of itself.

[Mingle]

They're in denial. You plot like full Slovenian basically.

How close does he plot with NW Croats?

BTW, I don't deny Germanic input among Slovenes, I just believe most of it is ancient and I don't believe it is radically higher than Germanic input among Croats.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I'm going to question here how much of a reliable source global 25 is. I'm running balkanite samples through various calcs, the Serbian sample only scores 70% Serbian on k16 modern as an example lmao. How can a sample only score 70% of itself.

Global 25 and nMonte ''modeling'' looks like scam to me. Good old gedmatch work perfectly imo, and on top of that it's for free.

[Ayetooey]

How close does he plot with NW Croats?

BTW, I don't deny Germanic input among Slovenes, I just believe most of it is ancient and I don't believe it is radically higher than Germanic input among Croats.

On Lucask36 Croatia was my 4th highest pop, but Croatian sample on there is extremely north plotted, I scored like 75% Croatian 25% british, compared to 50% Bosnian 50% British on +2 pops.

[Alenka]

Do you realize both Poles and North Italians have German like ancestry is different amounts ?
I know they both do. North Italians in particular have a massive northwestern component which you conveniently ignored when you trolled them. Anyway, I've seen Friulian Italians plot even more northwestwards than the North Italian average from that plot.
See the dark green dot, that is some Friulian from Tarcento/Reana del Rojale (as posted by Vid Flumina):
https://i.imgur.com/8fdqSMa.png
Now, if you draw a line from the dark green dot to Belarus, you pretty much get directly through the point where this Slovene clusters.
You think that's a coincidence?

[Mingle]

Depends, it was already mentioned west Austrians are different from central and eastern ones. Your PCA is professional though ? :D
Map that Dick posted is same like mine and mentions which clades are considered Germanic.

It's from Lukasz.

Austrians on GEDmatch and PCAs are usually not from the west (since western Austrians only make up a small portion of Austria's population), so I don't see any reason why the Austrians here would be from the west. Also, they plot closest to Germans from Transylvania and Silesia.

[Ayetooey]

Since we are discussing overlap of Slovenia with Austria. Austrian/German r1a map.

https://cs10.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2018-01_6/1517330831199781583.png

[Coastal Elite]

Any other V3 Dodecad Slovenians in the house?

My Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovenian_Xing @ 12.970881
2 CEU_HapMap @ 13.206221
3 French_HGDP @ 14.382931
4 N._European_Xing @ 14.594044
5 French_Dodecad @ 14.682753

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I know they both do. North Italians in particular have a massive northwestern component which you conveniently ignored when you trolled them. Anyway, I've seen Friulian Italians plot even more northwestwards than the North Italian average from that plot.
See the dark green dot, that is some Friulian from Tarcento/Reana del Rojale (as posted by Vid Flumina):
https://i.imgur.com/8fdqSMa.png
Now, if you draw a line from the dark green dot to Belarus, you pretty much get directly through the Slovene cluster. You think that's a coincidence?

No, I know it isn't. You can model Slovenes as half Belarusian half Friulian if you wish. But that doesn't mean they have such ancestry.
Yeah you'll say NW plotting doesn't mean German ancestry. I agree but in case of Slovenes it does in part at least.

They lived with them for 1000 years girl. My father's mother surname was Rigler/Riegler, guess what ancestry she had.

https://www.kartezumnamen.eu/en/index.php?sur=RIeGLER&s=Search

[Ayetooey]

Any other V3 Dodecad Slovenians in the house?

My Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovenian_Xing @ 12.970881
2 CEU_HapMap @ 13.206221
3 French_HGDP @ 14.382931
4 N._European_Xing @ 14.594044
5 French_Dodecad @ 14.682753

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.72
2 German (Dodecad) 11.32
3 CEU (HapMap) 12.02
4 Hungarians (Behar) 12.06
5 N._European (Xing) 12.39

[Mingle]

Slovene GEDmatch results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238497-Slovenian-GEDmatch-Results

He gets Hungarian, Croat, and Slovene as his top matches; not Austrian.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Lol self hater Peterski thumbing up posts denying German impact. You must hate yourself man considering you're almost half Kraut-like xD

[Dick]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.72
2 German (Dodecad) 11.32
3 CEU (HapMap) 12.02
4 Hungarians (Behar) 12.06
5 N._European (Xing) 12.39

Yay we're all Slovenian now


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.32
2 Hungarians (Behar) 8.57
3 Balkans (Dodecad) 12.6
4 Romanians_14 (Behar) 13.57
5 German (Dodecad) 18.38
6 Tuscan (Xing) 18.38
7 Tuscan (Henn) 18.69
8 TSI (HapMap) 19.18
9 CEU (HapMap) 20.38
10 N._European (Xing) 20.66
11 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 21.62
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.7
13 Orcadian (HGDP) 22.36
14 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 22.67
15 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 23.14
16 O_Italian (Dodecad) 23.21
17 French (Dodecad) 23.39
18 French (HGDP) 23.6
19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 24.85
20 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 25.27

[Ayetooey]

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

I1=9
I2=20.51
I2B=1.5
R1A=38
R1B=18
G=1.5
J2=2.5
J1=0
E1B=5
T=1
Q=0
N=0

At a minimum you're looking at Germanic/celtic Y dna in the high 20's. I'm not including I2 as I don't know how much of that is slavic i2a1b, and how much is germanic i2a2.

[Dick]

I'm going to question here how much of a reliable source global 25 is. I'm running balkanite samples through various calcs, the Serbian sample only scores 70% Serbian on k16 modern as an example lmao. How can a sample only score 70% of itself.

He must've messed up with that sample.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Any other V3 Dodecad Slovenians in the house?

My Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Slovenian_Xing @ 12.970881
2 CEU_HapMap @ 13.206221
3 French_HGDP @ 14.382931
4 N._European_Xing @ 14.594044
5 French_Dodecad @ 14.682753

Mine:

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 3.33
2 Hungarians (Behar) 6.67
3 German (Dodecad) 13.91
4 Balkans (Dodecad) 15.78
5 CEU (HapMap) 16.78

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Slovene GEDmatch results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238497-Slovenian-GEDmatch-Results

He gets Hungarian, Croat, and Slovene as his top matches; not Austrian.

This guy is Slavic shifted yeah. Just one person though. Lol at Alenka denying the obvious. She probably hates Germans like Peterski does and is some kind of strange Pan-Slavicist.

[Ayetooey]

He must've messed up with that sample.

It kind of makes you question the whole thing if the Serb sample only scores 70% Serb. Albanian sample scores 93% of itself on that calc, Irish sample scores 94% of itself.

[Carpatz]

can I join the club

# Population (source) Distance
1 Balkans (Dodecad) 9.48
2 Romanians_14 (Behar) 9.72
3 Hungarians (Behar) 10
4 Slovenian (Xing) 10.23

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Slovene GEDmatch results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238497-Slovenian-GEDmatch-Results

He gets Hungarian, Croat, and Slovene as his top matches; not Austrian.

My cousin gets Austrian at no.1 in this one

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 2.5
2 Slovenian 2.74
3 Hungarian 3.05
4 Irish 3.33
5 Orcadian 3.37
6 North_German 3.84
7 English 4.1
8 Croatian 4.64
9 Scottish 4.79
10 Norwegian 5.03
11 Utahn_White 5.69
12 South_German 6.04
13 Swedish 6.68
14 Serbian 9.02
15 French 9.3
16 Polish 9.47
17 Bosnian 13.26
18 Macedonian 14.79
19 Mordovian 15.03
20 Russian 15.15

[Dick]

It kind of makes you question the whole thing if the Serb sample only scores 70% Serb. Albanian sample scores 93% of itself on that calc, Irish sample scores 94% of itself.

No he obviously messed up naming them since the Montenegrin sample plots north of the Serbian sample

[Ayetooey]

My cousin gets Austrian at no.1 in this one

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 2.5
2 Slovenian 2.74
3 Hungarian 3.05
4 Irish 3.33
5 Orcadian 3.37
6 North_German 3.84
7 English 4.1
8 Croatian 4.64
9 Scottish 4.79
10 Norwegian 5.03
11 Utahn_White 5.69
12 South_German 6.04
13 Swedish 6.68
14 Serbian 9.02
15 French 9.3
16 Polish 9.47
17 Bosnian 13.26
18 Macedonian 14.79
19 Mordovian 15.03
20 Russian 15.15

Shows strong affiliation with celtic and german populations, as well as slavic populations, as expected.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Shows strong affiliation with celtic and german populations, as well as slavic populations, as expected.

''It's a coincidence'' :rolleyes:

Very tight match also, lot lower than people get at Eurogenes.

[Ayetooey]

''It's a coincidence'' :rolleyes:

Very tight match also, lot lower than people get at Eurogenes.

Which calc is that specifically?
And yes, that's a very close match with Slovenia and Austria. The one mingle posted seems atypical since he gets Croatia followed by Moldova, with Moldovans plotting way to the east.

[Coastal Elite]

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 7.72
2 German (Dodecad) 11.32
3 CEU (HapMap) 12.02
4 Hungarians (Behar) 12.06
5 N._European (Xing) 12.39

Nice! Pretty damn Slovenian. I wasn't close to anything on that calculator.

[Ayetooey]

Slovene GEDmatch results: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?238497-Slovenian-GEDmatch-Results

He gets Hungarian, Croat, and Slovene as his top matches; not Austrian.

I just made a few comparisons, and that Slovenian scores higher east med, higher west asian than the Croat reference population. Definitely an atypical guy if he's from Slovenia yet scoring higher those two components.

[Insuperable]

Leave Alenka alone!
https://i.postimg.cc/25B1wQh5/leave-her-alone.jpg

[Alenka]

Leave Alenka alone!
https://i.postimg.cc/25B1wQh5/leave-her-alone.jpg
I miss Jana. She was much more reasonable. Can we sacrifice Nato to <strike>Perun</strike> Odin and have her back in exchange? Pretty please.

[willbaska]

Looks like same map bro. Region where my father is from is in 30-40% range.

Out of curiosity, where was your father from, he would have to be in north Slovenia.

[Alenka]

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

I1=9
I2=20.51
I2B=1.5
R1A=38
R1B=18
G=1.5
J2=2.5
J1=0
E1B=5
T=1
Q=0
N=0

At a minimum you're looking at Germanic/celtic Y dna in the high 20's. I'm not including I2 as I don't know how much of that is slavic i2a1b, and how much is germanic i2a2.
I'm not trying to dispute Germanic/Celtic, it's obviously there as a component. I'm disputing Hans the truckdriver. Nato keeps talking of a non-paternal event though, so maybe it's there on an individual basis. But collectively, I doubt it's more than you would find Turkish in parts of the Balkan.

[Alenka]

BTW, I don't deny Germanic input among Slovenes, I just believe most of it is ancient and I don't believe it is radically higher than Germanic input among Croats.
Same here.

[Dick]

I'm not trying to dispute Germanic/Celtic, it's obviously there as a component. I'm disputing Hans the truckdriver. Nato keeps talking of a non-paternal event though, so maybe it's there on an individual basis. But collectively, I doubt it's more than you would find Turkish in parts of the Balkan.

I don't know how common this Hans is in Slovenia but interesting nonetheless since he seems mixed with Slovenian too.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?262890-ethnic-German-from-Slovenia

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Out of curiosity, where was your father from, he would have to be in north Slovenia.

From countryside around Kranj, Upper Carniola.

[vbnetkhio]

I know they both do. North Italians in particular have a massive northwestern component which you conveniently ignored when you trolled them. Anyway, I've seen Friulian Italians plot even more northwestwards than the North Italian average from that plot.
See the dark green dot, that is some Friulian from Tarcento/Reana del Rojale (as posted by Vid Flumina):
https://i.imgur.com/8fdqSMa.png
Now, if you draw a line from the dark green dot to Belarus, you pretty much get directly through the point where this Slovene clusters.
You think that's a coincidence?

where are these samples from? Differrent regions of Northern Italy?