Bosnian Serb gedmatch results

[CommonSense]

This guy is a 'relative' of mine from FTDNA. All of his ancestry that he listed is from Glamoč. Anyhow, I'm posting this because I'm sick of the mythomania that Serbs from Bosnia and Croatia are somehow veery different from those in Serbia proper and Montenegro. A lot of my matches from that region have similar results to this man and myself.

Dodecad k12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.54
2 Atlantic_Med 28.19
3 Caucasus 25.26
4 Southwest_Asian 4.64
5 Siberian 0.99
6 Gedrosia 0.97
7 Southeast_Asian 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 6.1
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.21
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 7.97
4 Hungarians (Behar) 11.94
5 German (Dodecad) 17.7
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.23
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.61
8 Greek (Dodecad) 21.5
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.72
10 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 22.05
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.1
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.24
13 French (Dodecad) 22.42
14 French (HGDP) 22.5
15 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.05
16 Dutch (Dodecad) 23.35
17 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 24.82
18 Kent (1000Genomes) 25.32
19 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 25.51
20 English (Dodecad) 25.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.22
2 80.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.36
3 52.9% Tuscan (HGDP) + 47.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.42
4 72.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 27.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.45
5 58% Tuscan (HGDP) + 42% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.65
6 58% Tuscan (HGDP) + 42% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.76
7 63.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 36.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.78
8 53.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 46.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.92
9 55.5% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 3.08
10 56.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.1% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.09
11 80.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 19.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.1
12 58.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 41.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.1
13 78.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 21.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.11
14 62.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 37.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.23
15 81.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 18.4% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.29
16 79.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.34
17 80% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 20% English (Dodecad) @ 3.36
18 51.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 48.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.36
19 65% Hungarians (Behar) + 35% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.39
20 81.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 18.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.4



Eurogenes k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.4
2 North_Atlantic 24.11
3 West_Med 20.36
4 East_Med 14.55
5 West_Asian 8.82
6 Red_Sea 1.43
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.41
9 East_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.39
2 Romanian 6.51
3 Moldavian 7.3
4 Bulgarian 7.87
5 Croatian 9.57
6 Hungarian 10.96
7 Austrian 13.72
8 East_German 14.86
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.91
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.95
11 South_Polish 16.85
12 Ukrainian 17.05
13 North_Italian 18.15
14 West_German 19.15
15 Tuscan 19.81
16 French 19.89
17 Polish 20.24
18 South_Dutch 20.43
19 Southwest_Russian 20.71
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Moldavian + 14.9% Sardinian @ 2.63
2 63.7% Croatian + 36.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.75
3 75.7% Moldavian + 24.3% Tuscan @ 3.76
4 74.1% Moldavian + 25.9% North_Italian @ 3.85
5 75.5% Croatian + 24.5% South_Italian @ 3.94
6 56.1% Bulgarian + 43.9% Croatian @ 3.94
7 72.6% Croatian + 27.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.95
8 72.2% Croatian + 27.8% Central_Greek @ 4
9 81.7% Croatian + 18.3% Sardinian @ 4.01
10 58.2% Ukrainian + 41.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.05
11 51.9% Greek_Thessaly + 48.1% Ukrainian @ 4.06
12 79.3% Moldavian + 20.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.13
13 73.4% Croatian + 26.6% East_Sicilian @ 4.15
14 78.9% Croatian + 21.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.22
15 72% Moldavian + 28% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.22
16 69.3% Croatian + 30.7% Tuscan @ 4.24
17 61.9% Ukrainian + 38.1% South_Italian @ 4.25
18 71.4% Bulgarian + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 4.25
19 52.8% Moldavian + 47.2% Bulgarian @ 4.27
20 63.6% Romanian + 36.4% Croatian @ 4.3


Eurogenes k15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.08
2 Atlantic 17.79
3 North_Sea 15.14
4 West_Med 15.1
5 West_Asian 9.98
6 East_Med 9.35
7 Eastern_Euro 8.77
8 Red_Sea 1.52
9 Oceanian 0.15
10 Siberian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.49
2 Bulgarian 8.39
3 Croatian 8.54
4 Moldavian 8.55
5 Serbian 8.73
6 Austrian 10.68
7 Hungarian 10.75
8 East_German 14.15
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.41
10 South_Polish 14.83
11 Ukrainian 15.53
12 Greek_Thessaly 16.04
13 Greek 16.45
14 North_Italian 17.09
15 Polish 17.45
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.5
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.23
18 Tuscan 18.37
19 French 18.82
20 Southwest_Russian 18.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.7% Bulgarian + 49.3% Croatian @ 5.12
2 70.1% Croatian + 29.9% Greek @ 5.38
3 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% South_Polish @ 5.45
4 67.7% Bulgarian + 32.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.48
5 79% Croatian + 21% South_Italian @ 5.48
6 73% Croatian + 27% Tuscan @ 5.58
7 70% Croatian + 30% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.59
8 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Polish @ 5.6
9 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Ukrainian @ 5.62
10 76.8% Croatian + 23.2% Central_Greek @ 5.63
11 77.7% Croatian + 22.3% East_Sicilian @ 5.69
12 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Lithuanian @ 5.71
13 56.7% Romanian + 43.3% Croatian @ 5.71
14 85.4% Croatian + 14.6% Sardinian @ 5.71
15 56% Tuscan + 44% Lithuanian @ 5.77
16 73.1% Bulgarian + 26.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.78
17 76.5% Croatian + 23.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 5.83
18 76% Bulgarian + 24% Estonian_Polish @ 5.85
19 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Belorussian @ 5.85
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% West_Sicilian @ 5.98

[Pribislav]

Where you found results of this guy?

[Ford]

Glamoč, very nice :thumb001:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATM3w0Gv7Y

[CommonSense]

Where you found results of this guy?

He is one of my matches on FTDNA and I found his kit on gedmatch. His haplogroup is J2 > J-PH1602, you can find his surname on our DNA project database.

[Pribislav]

He is one of my matches on FTDNA and I found his kit on gedmatch. His haplogroup is J2 > J-PH1602, you can find his surname on our DNA project database.

Do you have K15 map?

[Tschaikisten]

He's also my closse match, which makes sense, considering that my mother ancestry is from region near him. Very Serb results.

[CommonSense]

Do you have K15 map?

Yeah, here it is. The oracle gives him Romanians as the first match, but here is western shifted:

https://i.imgur.com/6MCo27P.png

[Pribislav]

He's also my closse match, which makes sense, considering that my mother ancestry is from region near him. Very Serb results.

Serbs are pretty homogeneous nation genetically, unlike for example Croatians or Romanians.

Croatian range of ploting is from Czechs (Zagorci) to Montenegrins (Molunat/Prevlaka), and Romanians ploting from northern Greeks to Hungarians.

[Pribislav]

Yeah, here it is. The oracle gives him Romanians as the first match, but here is western shifted:

https://i.imgur.com/6MCo27P.png

Interesting, he ploting more western even from Croatian average.

[CommonSense]

Serbs are pretty homogeneous nation genetically, unlike for example Croatians or Romanians.

Croatian range of ploting is from Czechs (Zagorci) to Montenegrins (Molunat/Prevlaka), and Romanians ploting from northern Greeks to Hungarians.

Exactly, all over the internet the Croats try to pass us off as some kind of mongrels, aka Slav, Vlach, Turk, Gypsy hybrids while our cluster is the smallest one in the Balkans alongside the Macedonians. Even the Albanians, a very homogenous nation themselves have individuals that plot quite differently among themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/rG2rojT.png

[Moje ime]

Interesting, he ploting more western even from Croatian average.

Me too. And most of my ancestry is western Serbia.

[Dick]

Exactly, all over the internet the Croats try to pass us off as some kind of mongrels, aka Slav, Vlach, Turk, Gypsy hybrids

So do other people that claim to be Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Exactly, all over the internet the Croats try to pass us off as some kind of mongrels, aka Slav, Vlach, Turk, Gypsy hybrids while our cluster is the smallest one in the Balkans alongside the Macedonians. Even the Albanians, a very homogenous nation themselves have individuals that plot quite differently among themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/rG2rojT.png

Serbs live on larger territory than Croatians, and still they more homogeneus autosomally. Serbs as native live from Kumanovo in northern Macedonia to Gorski Kotar in western Croatia, and from Banat to Ravni Kotari in Dalmatia. That is a huge territory.
On the other hand Croatians has quite smaller ethnic areal and they can plot with Czechs (some guy Anđelko) and with Montenegrins (Herzegovinian Croatian Insuperable). Nato posted some Croatian who ploting more southern than Bulgarians and proclaimed him for Morlach. :rotfl:

Huge autosomal diversity of Croatians is signal of artificial caracter of their nation and show that they are young nations. Funny I heard 100000 times from Croatians how Serbs are mix of many serbified ethnic groups and have very diverse genetic. :picard1:

[Ayetooey]

Pure Dalmatian Serb k13 results here, from a dna relative of mine; haplogroup I2a1b. I will edit this post later as I didn't ask for permission to post.

1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 Sub-Saharan 0.41
9 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.99
2 Hungarian 7.18
3 Romanian 7.8
4 Moldavian 8.25
5 Croatian 8.96
6 Bulgarian 10.23
7 Austrian 10.36
8 East_German 11.85
9 South_Polish 14.94
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.01
11 West_German 15.65
12 Ukrainian 16.07
13 South_Dutch 17.05
14 French 17.34
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.84
16 Polish 18.58
17 North_Italian 18.69
18 Southwest_Russian 19.36
19 North_German 19.78
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Belorussian @ 1.84
2 50.9% Tuscan + 49.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.47
3 50.6% West_Sicilian + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.59
4 56.4% Tuscan + 43.6% Lithuanian @ 2.67
5 55.1% Greek_Thessaly + 44.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.82
6 50.6% Tuscan + 49.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.92
7 51.4% Southwest_Russian + 48.6% Tuscan @ 2.94
8 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Estonian @ 2.98
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.12
10 58% South_Polish + 42% Tuscan @ 3.17
11 62.4% South_Polish + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.18
12 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.21
13 91.2% Serbian + 8.8% Finnish @ 3.23
14 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% East_Finnish @ 3.27
15 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Estonian @ 3.29
16 60.8% Southwest_Finnish + 39.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.3
17 53.3% Belorussian + 46.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.3
18 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Belorussian @ 3.32
19 54.2% Southwest_Finnish + 45.8% East_Sicilian @ 3.32
20 84% Hungarian + 16% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.34

[Pribislav]

Pure Dalmatian Serb k13 results here, from a dna relative of mine; haplogroup I2a1b. I will edit this post later as I didn't ask for permission to post.

1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 Sub-Saharan 0.41
9 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.99
2 Hungarian 7.18
3 Romanian 7.8
4 Moldavian 8.25
5 Croatian 8.96
6 Bulgarian 10.23
7 Austrian 10.36
8 East_German 11.85
9 South_Polish 14.94
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.01
11 West_German 15.65
12 Ukrainian 16.07
13 South_Dutch 17.05
14 French 17.34
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.84
16 Polish 18.58
17 North_Italian 18.69
18 Southwest_Russian 19.36
19 North_German 19.78
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Belorussian @ 1.84
2 50.9% Tuscan + 49.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.47
3 50.6% West_Sicilian + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.59
4 56.4% Tuscan + 43.6% Lithuanian @ 2.67
5 55.1% Greek_Thessaly + 44.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.82
6 50.6% Tuscan + 49.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.92
7 51.4% Southwest_Russian + 48.6% Tuscan @ 2.94
8 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Estonian @ 2.98
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.12
10 58% South_Polish + 42% Tuscan @ 3.17
11 62.4% South_Polish + 37.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.18
12 80.4% Hungarian + 19.6% Ashkenazi @ 3.21
13 91.2% Serbian + 8.8% Finnish @ 3.23
14 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% East_Finnish @ 3.27
15 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Estonian @ 3.29
16 60.8% Southwest_Finnish + 39.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.3
17 53.3% Belorussian + 46.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.3
18 90.6% Serbian + 9.4% Belorussian @ 3.32
19 54.2% Southwest_Finnish + 45.8% East_Sicilian @ 3.32
20 84% Hungarian + 16% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.34

Do you have his Dodecad K12b and autosomal map K15.

I never seen results of some full Dalmatian Serb until now.

[Cumansky]

Exactly, all over the internet the Croats try to pass us off as some kind of mongrels, aka Slav, Vlach, Turk, Gypsy hybrids while our cluster is the smallest one in the Balkans alongside the Macedonians. Even the Albanians, a very homogenous nation themselves have individuals that plot quite differently among themselves:

https://i.imgur.com/rG2rojT.png

Bosnian Croat I posted before is on this chart, I21Croatia2 east of Bosniak cluster

Says they from east Herzegovina and Dubrovnik area, but in last century most with this name were born in Sarajevo and Kiseljak

[Ayetooey]

Do you have his Dodecad K12b and autosomal map K15.

I never seen results of some full Dalmatian Serb until now.

I repped you kit number as I cannot figure out how to do the k15 map.

[Aspirin]

Serbs are pretty homogeneous nation genetically, unlike for example Croatians or Romanians.

Croatian range of ploting is from Czechs (Zagorci) to Montenegrins (Molunat/Prevlaka), and Romanians ploting from northern Greeks to Hungarians.

Don't compare Croatians and Romanians, totally different story.

[CommonSense]

Don't compare Croatians and Romanians, totally different story.

Are you ever going to do an ancestry test? I've never seen any Moldovan gedmatch kits so far.

[Pribislav]

Don't compare Croatians and Romanians, totally different story.

On what you specifically mean?

[Aspirin]

Are you ever going to do an ancestry test? I've never seen any Moldovan gedmatch kits so far.

I will doing soon.

Cumansky posted one, judging by the results he is Gypsy admixed. xD

[Mingle]

Nato posted some Croatian who ploting more southern than Bulgarians and proclaimed him for Morlach.

He was closest to Greeks of Thessaly IIRC. Do you have any explanation for why that may have been?

[Aspirin]

On what you specifically mean?

Romanians are a nation, not ethnicity, who lived in different countries till mid 19th, have different ethnogenesis, culture, customs, mentality, and languages. Moldavians never called herself till 19th Romanians. Croatians are mostly an ethnicity, not a nation.

[CommonSense]

I repped you kit number as I cannot figure out how to do the k15 map.

The Dalmatian man is represented by the green circle. He plots very close to the Serb from Glamoc as you can see:

https://i.imgur.com/Z97aUDf.png

[Ayetooey]

He was closest to Greeks of Thessaly IIRC. Do you have any explanation for why that may have been?

Might of been an Arbanasi if he was from Zadar.

[Pribislav]

He was closest to Greeks of Thessaly IIRC. Do you have any explanation for why that may have been?

No, I don't have explanation for that case.

If he has recent Italian admixture for example he would be southern and western moved from Croatian average. He is eastern in the same level with Bulgarians, but more southern of Bulgarians.

[Ayetooey]

No, I don't have explanation for that case.

If he has recent Italian admixture for example he would be western moved. He is eastern in the same level with Bulgarians, but more southern of Bulgarians.

Where was this Croat from specifically, do you know?

Most south plotting Serbs I've seen are still very north of Bulgarian average, strange to see Croat plot like that.

[Pribislav]

Where was this Croat from specifically, do you know?

I don't know. Maybe Nato know, he posted that result.

[Dick]

The Dalmatian man is represented by the green circle. He plots very close to the Serb from Glamoc as you can see:

;)

[Mingle]

Where was this Croat from specifically, do you know?

Most south plotting Serbs I've seen are still very north of Bulgarian average, strange to see Croat plot like that.

His specific origins aren't mentioned, but here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276176-Croatian-Eurogenes-K15-PCA-made-by-Jana&p=5778174&viewfull=1#post5778174) is the post about him.

[Ayetooey]

His specific origins aren't mentioned, but here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276176-Croatian-Eurogenes-K15-PCA-made-by-Jana&p=5778174&viewfull=1#post5778174) is the post about him.

Interesting, he has very high east med. I would say he is either Arbanasi from Zadar, aka Croatised Albanian, or he's a "Janjevci" which are "Croats" from Kosovo; most of them are heavily albanian admixed and almost all have albanian paternal origin. He scores 0 south asian so there's no gypsy admix or anything.

[Pribislav]

The Dalmatian man is represented by the green circle. He plots very close to the Serb from Glamoc as you can see:

https://i.imgur.com/Z97aUDf.png

Dalmatian Serb is also more western than Serbian average. He is slightly more eastern and northern from Glamoč Serb, but yes very close.

[Aspirin]

Are you ever going to do an ancestry test? I've never seen any Moldovan gedmatch kits so far.

I found this on Anthrogenica about frequency of Y-DNA. From today RM are the most of the samples. Maramureș, Bihor, Arad, Alba, Harghita (Székelys) is Transylvania, Mehedinți is Wallachia, Neamț, Vrancea and RM is Moldova.

https://pp.userapi.com/c848628/v848628889/12e274/4IsONUKPVs4.jpg

[dosas]

He was closest to Greeks of Thessaly IIRC. Do you have any explanation for why that may have been?

Possible Aromanian heritage. Thessaly is the so-called 'capital' of the Aromanian Vlachs.

[Pribislav]

Interesting, he has very high east med. I would say he is either Arbanasi from Zadar, aka Croatised Albanian, or he's a "Janjevci" which are "Croats" from Kosovo; most of them are heavily albanian admixed and almost all have albanian paternal origin. He scores 0 south asian so there's no gypsy admix or anything.

You are probably right. He might be Janjevac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjevci

Janjevci are predominantly croatized Catholic Albanians.

Shiptar blood makes him more southern than Bulgarian average.

[Livin]

East German and Greek Thessaly.Its obvious this guy HAS a slavovlachoid ancestry Like the majority of the population In balkans.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

You are probably right. He might be Janjevac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janjevci

Janjevci are predominantly croatized Catholic Albanians.

Shiptar blood makes him more southern than Bulgarian average.

No they aren't ''Croatized'' dumbass četnik, they are simply mixed with catholic Albanians since they live in Kosovo since 14th century, longer than Serbs live in Croatia.
I know few of Janjevci and most of them has Croatian family names (hence Y dna), but they look much more Balkan than usual.

[Mingle]

Possible Aromanian heritage.

He gets Thessalians as his best match on GEDmatch oracle, but looking at where he plots, he's probably closer to Albos and North Greeks. It's just that Eurogenes don't have a reference for these populations so that's why they don't show up in his oracle. Arbanas seems like the most likely explanation IMO.



Thessaly is the so-called 'capital' of the Aromanian Vlachs.

Don't most Aromanians live in the Macedonia region nowadays?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Possible Aromanian heritage. Thessaly is the so-called 'capital' of the Aromanian Vlachs.

There are literally no Aromanians in Croatia. Janjevac heritage is most likely explanation.

[Pribislav]

No they aren't ''Croatized'' dumbass četnik, they are simply mixed with catholic Albanians since they live in Kosovo since 14th century, longer than Serbs live in Croatia.
I know few of Janjevci and most of them has Croatian family names (hence Y dna), but they look much more Balkan than usual.

Janjevci are Catholic Shiptars mixed with local Kosovo Serbs (by famale lines), they became Croatians recently.

Serbs live in present day Croatia from 7th century.

[Livin]

He gets Thessalians as his best match on GEDmatch oracle, but looking at where he plots, he's probably closer to Albos and North Greeks. It's just that Eurogenes don't have a reference for these populations so that's why they don't show up in his oracle. Arbanas seems like the most likely explanation IMO.




Don't most Aromanians live in the Macedonia region nowadays?

Vlachs is greece are not only Aromanians. There are other Groups Like Sarakatsanis, Karagounides and some other. All of them are mixed with Slavs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Serbs live on larger territory than Croatians, and still they more homogeneus autosomally.

No, you aren't. 99% of the Serbs posted here are from western regions, where are Kosovo, Macedonian, Torlak, Eastern Serbs and Montenegerin samples ? Lmao.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Janjevci are Catholic Shiptars mixed with local Kosovo Serbs (by famale lines), they became Croatians recently.

Serbs live in present day Croatia from 7th century.

Shut the fuck up četnik. They have Croatian identity since middle ages, much longer than your Vlach sheperd ancestors declare as Serbs (since 19th century).

[Pribislav]

No, you aren't. 99% of the Serbs posted here are from western regions, where are Kosovo, Macedonian, Torlak, Eastern Serbs and Montenegerin samples ? Lmao.

Moje ime is from Serbia and she posted her results.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He gets Thessalians as his best match on GEDmatch oracle, but looking at where he plots, he's probably closer to Albos and North Greeks. It's just that Eurogenes don't have a reference for these populations so that's why they don't show up in his oracle. Arbanas seems like the most likely explanation IMO.

Janjevac is much more likely than Arbanas. I would assume most Arbanas are indistinguishable from Croats today in autosomal because they have been mixing for centuries. Only Albanian thing left about them is Y DNA. Janjevci are exactly opposite story, they didn't have chance to mix with Croats for last 600+ years and are autosomally probably fully Albanian by now. In their case only Y dna is Croatian/Slavic.

[Pribislav]

Shut the fuck up četnik. They have Croatian identity since middle ages, much longer than your Vlach sheperd ancestors declare as Serbs (since 19th century).

You are Croatian-German-Slovenian-Serbian-Vlach-Montenegrin mongrel.

You are far away from real Croatian. Unlike you I am full Serb.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Moje ime is from Serbia and she posted her results.

She is Bosnian Serb living in Serbia, try better. Why don't you post autosomal of your mate Miloš from Kosovo who is E-V13 ?

[Moje ime]

She is Bosnian Serb living in Serbia, try better. Why don't you post autosomal of your mate Miloš from Kosovo who is E-V13 ?

Do we know each other?

According to my grandparents origin:
1/4 east Serbia
2/4 west Serbia
1/4 east Bosnia

[Pribislav]

She is Bosnian Serb living in Serbia, try better. Why don't you post autosomal of your mate Miloš from Kosovo who is E-V13 ?

She is mix of western and eastern Serbia. Ask her!

Miloš did not took autosomal yet.

[Moje ime]

She is mix of western and eastern Serbia. Ask her!

Miloš did not took autosomal yet.

Really, are there some eastern southern Serbians results on Poreklo?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

You are Croatian-German-Slovenian-Serbian-Vlach-Montenegrin mongrel.

You are far away from real Croatian. Unlike you I am full Serb.

That's because I know my ancestry until early 18th century, which none of you Dinaric Talibans aren't able to do. You come from backward areas without any records who your ancestors might have been that far back.

[CommonSense]

No, you aren't. 99% of the Serbs posted here are from western regions, where are Kosovo, Macedonian, Torlak, Eastern Serbs and Montenegerin samples ? Lmao.

Dick and Moje Ime are half Eastern Serbian and I'm 1/4. Those Serbs you listed are few in number, other than the Montenegrins, but I have none among my relatives so I can't find any kits.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do we know each other?

According to my grandparents origin:
1/4 east Serbia
2/4 west Serbia
1/4 east Bosnia

Just reading what is put in your profile honey. So you are 3/4 dinaric Serb, and only 1/4 the rest. How are you representative of Torlak or full eastern Serbs ?

[Moje ime]

Just reading what is put in your profile honey. So you are 3/4 dinaric Serb, and only 1/4 the rest. How are you representative of Torlak or full eastern Serbs ?

I did not say I am. I would like to see their results too.

[Pribislav]

That's because I know my ancestry until early 18th century, which none of you Dinaric Talibans aren't able to do. You come from backward areas without any records who your ancestors might have been that far back.

My furthest recorded ancestor is from 17th century. I know thanks to Zadar archive.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Dick and Moje Ime are half Eastern Serbian and I'm 1/4. Those Serbs you listed are few in number, other than the Montenegrins, but I have none among my relatives so I can't find any kits.

So are Montenegrin Croats for example, their number is few thousands. Average full southern Croats cluster nowhere close to Montenegrins, you have seen some samples from Herzegovina cluster almost with Hungarians and many Dalmatians plot with Moldovans. Insuperable clearly said he's very atypical for his region and most southern shifted guy of all results he has seen. You can't call Croats genetically heterogenous because of few outlying samples.

Sure there's diversity, but it isn't big. I am certain I could find Serb samples who are very outlying genetically if I searched.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

My furthest recorded ancestor is from 17th century. I know thanks to Zadar archive.

Everyone should bow down to pure blooded blond Serb like you.

[Cumansky]

Greek Thessaly sample..

Vlach from Croatia (minor central Europeanized on the lower end of spectrum) and his Jewish ancestry created artificial similarity with Greece Thessaly, but not always he get Thessaly sometimes he get 1/4 Moldova (notorious Jewish port of Eastern Europe, same story for places such as Constanta, Romania)

Know your migrations cuzzos

[Ford]

https://i.imgur.com/hJvfFyQ.jpg

This is the results of a South-Central Serb.

[Alenka]

He was closest to Greeks of Thessaly IIRC. Do you have any explanation for why that may have been?
Can Macedonians and Albanians plot where he plots? The reason I am asking you is because one possible explanation might be that he is adopted. In former Yugoslavia, many babies were adopted from Macedonia to other parts of the country.

[Ayetooey]

That's because I know my ancestry until early 18th century, which none of you Dinaric Talibans aren't able to do. You come from backward areas without any records who your ancestors might have been that far back.

This is untrue, Savo Nakićenović wrote book called "knin landscape" on origin of every family in every village in Kninska Krajina region, we can trace origin almost entirely to BIH. Only line that is exception for me is my grandmothers paternal line which came from Lika in 1400s century, Orlovic clan. Family origins in Pribislavs region are well traced.

[Pribislav]

No, you aren't. 99% of the Serbs posted here are from western regions, where are Kosovo, Macedonian, Torlak, Eastern Serbs and Montenegerin samples ? Lmao.

This is Kosovo Serb (black circle), his haplogroup is I2-PH908.
https://i.postimg.cc/xjGSMKRh/20181219-233820.png

[Ford]

That's because I know my ancestry until early 18th century, which none of you Dinaric Talibans aren't able to do. You come from backward areas without any records who your ancestors might have been that far back.

I know my paternal line to the early/mid 1700s and they lived on a mountain in the middle of nowhere for at least three/three and a half centuries. There's always some kind of records, even for "Dinaric Talibans".

[Tschaikisten]

That's because I know my ancestry until early 18th century, which none of you Dinaric Talibans aren't able to do. You come from backward areas without any records who your ancestors might have been that far back.

We have to be thankful to our ''civilized'' neighbours (Croats and Muslims) and then commies for burning our church records from 17, 18, 19 and 20 century.

Our oral tradition is still much better than yours.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

We have to be thankful to our ''civilized'' neighbours (Croats and Muslims) and then commies for burning our church records from 17, 18, 19 and 20 century.

Our oral tradition is still much better than yours.

Lmao, how many churches did your burn and loot in last war ? Thousands. I certanly come from more civilised area than any of you dinaric Talibans, either Serbs or Croats.
Gypsies have great oral tradiations too.

Man, I dislike your backward and bloodthirsty dinaric culture with full heart. You have been killing and raping each other for centuries but in the end of the day you are very similar, and that's why you hate each others so much.

North Croats are completely indifferent towards Serbs or dinaric Croats for that matter. We have little to do with either of you and thank God for that.

Written tradition >>>> oral tradition. In that you are incomparable with us.

[Ford]

Lmao, how many churches did your burn and loot in last war ? Thousands. I certanly come from more civilised area than any of you dinaric Talibans, either Serbs or Croats.
Gypsies have great oral tradiations too.

Man, I dislike your backward and bloodthirsty dinaric culture with full heart. You have been killing and raping each other for centuries but in the end of the day you are very similar, and that's why you hate each others so much.

North Croats are completely indifferent towards Serbs or dinaric Croats for that matter. We have little to do with either of you and thank God for that.

Written tradition >>>> oral tradition. In that you are incomparable with us.
:wave

https://i.imgur.com/q6P7jcn.png

[Dick]

Here is one with Ydna N-P189.2


https://i.imgur.com/B17Othk.png

[Jackson78]

https://i.imgur.com/ZCBBntD.jpg

I'm from Moldova lol

[Insuperable]

I don't know. Maybe Nato know, he posted that result.

I posted the result. It was two days ago not 50 years ago.


His specific origins aren't mentioned, but here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276176-Croatian-Eurogenes-K15-PCA-made-by-Jana&p=5778174&viewfull=1#post5778174) is the post about him.

In that first classic plot you can see Slovak in the South Italian cluster so he obviously isn't Slovak. Fuck anyone who picked these samples.

[ixulescu]

Romanians are a nation, not ethnicity, who lived in different countries till mid 19th, have different ethnogenesis, culture, customs, mentality, and languages. Moldavians never called herself till 19th Romanians. Croatians are mostly an ethnicity, not a nation.

That is not true, Romanian is an ethnicity. Romanians might call themselves Munteni, Moldoveni, Ardeleni, when referring to inhabitants of specific regions, but they also called themselves Romanian since forever (more exactly, from the moment the population was Romanized). We have already discussed this, and I gave you quotes from various medieval chroniclers. Here's another one from Miron Costin, Moldovan medieval chronicler. He writes:

"Și așa ieste acestor țări și țărâi noastre, Moldovei și Țărâi Muntenești numele cel direptŭ de moșie, ieste rumân, cum să răspundŭ și acum toți acéia din Țările Ungurești lăcuitori și munténii țara lor și scriu și răspundŭ cu graiul: Țara Românească."

roughly translated as: the correct name of inhabitants of Moldova and Muntenia (Wallachia) is Romanian.

In fact, Romanians' similarity of language, religion, customs and mentality can only be explained by them being one ethnicity. Otherwise Romanians would have been fractured culturally, considering that they lived for a 1000 years in separate countries.

[Aspirin]

That is not true, Romanian is an ethnicity.

Yes man, this is why autosomal distance between Carpatz from Maramures and Impaler from Wallachia is like the distance from the Earth to Mars, but not to the Moon. :biggrin:


but they also called themselves Romanian since forever.

Yes, since the time of Bing Bang LMAO


We have already discussed this, and I gave you quotes from various medieval chroniclers. Here's another one from Miron Costin, Moldovan chronicler. He writes:

"Și așa ieste acestor țări și țărâi noastre, Moldovei și Țărâi Muntenești numele cel direptŭ de moșie, ieste rumân, cum să răspundŭ și acum toți acéia din Țările Ungurești lăcuitori și munténii țara lor și scriu și răspundŭ cu graiul: Țara Românească."

This is the same autor who speak about the differences between Moldavians and Wallachians in terms of average phenotype, that Moldavians are whiter, but Wallachians are more darker.


Lucru de mirare că acel popor, deşi se trage din aceeaşi viţă ca moldovenii, este însă un popor negru. De aceea şi turcii, văzînd aceasta, îi numesc caravlahi, adică vlahi negri, căci şi acel domn dintîi, despre a cărui poveste s-a scris că a pornit din principatul Transilvaniei, se numea Negrul- vodă (căci pe limba noastră se zice negru, iar pe latineşte nigrum). Ar fi însă o concluzie greşită dacă am spune că pe acel domn dintîi al lor l-au numit negru din această pricină, deşi poate şi el de la fire a fost negru, dar ce legătură este cu faptul că tot poporul său ar fi negru? Sigur este că la ei sînt rari oamenii — dintre cei mai de seamă sau din popor — care să nu fie negricioşi, iar părul lor e foarte negru, deşi unii au părinţi greci, alţii sîrbi, alţii unguri, şi poloni ce se găsesc acolo din vremea domnului Simion şi a lui Matei, iar, după vechiul obicei, fiii sînt negri. Eu socot că pricina este aceasta, că toată ţara, de la un cap la altul, toată este aşezată spre miazăzi; între munţi şi între Dunăre, este foarte strîmtă, căci unde este cea mai largă abia e nevoie de o zi şi jumătate de călărit de la Dunăre pînă la munţi, însă este lungă de douăsprezece zile de călărie de-a lungul munţilor şi a Dunării; munţii şi însuşi pămîntul ţării privesc spre miazăzi, şi oriunde se îndreaptă omul, îl loveşte soarele în faţă, şi căldura este cu mult mai mare decît aici, în ţara noastră. Le socot pricină unii că şi de aceea sînt negri, pentru că la fiecare boier mai de seamă este întotdeauna obiceiu ca doicele să fie ţigănci, ceea ce este o glumă.

This guy was full of protestant and iluminist ideas who came from Transylvania and Poland, he believed what Moldavian are descendant of Roman Kangz LMAO. Something similar to the Polish nobility who believed what they descend from the Sarmatians.

An propagandistic painting from mid 19th century named "The union of Principalities". On the left is Moldova, on the right Wallachia. Look how they are portrayed. Wallachia is portrayed vulgar dressed, Moldova more conservative and decent looking. And of course the average phenotype of both is very visible, first is lighter, second is darker. The painter is Wallachian.

https://desenepicturi.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/theodor-aman-unirea-principatelor-1857.jpg


In fact, Romanians' similarity of language, religion, customs and mentality can only be explained by them being one ethnicity. Otherwise Romanians would have been fractured culturally, considering that they lived for a 1000 years in separate countries.

Nope, you will find same quantity of differences as similarities. Is very visible till today. Romania is like a light version of Yugoslavia.

[ixulescu]

Yes man, this is why autosomal distance between Carpatz from Maramures and Impaler from Wallachia is like the distance from the Earth to Mars, but not to the Moon. :biggrin:


Yes, Romanians are very diverse, not only between regions, but within regions as well. So what?




Yes, since the time of Bing Bang LMAO


I made the mention there: Romanians called themselves as such from the moment they were Romanized.
That moment preceded the creation of the Romanian state by more than a 1000 years. Do not pretend you didn't know that.
Moldovans did refer to themselves as Romanians, not only now, but in Medieval times as well.




This is the same autor who speak about the differences between Moldavians and Wallachians in terms of average phenotype, that Moldavians are whiter, but Wallachians are more darker.


Yeah, Moldovans are bit lighter than Wallachians. Even Turks called them White Vlachs and Black Vlacks respectively.
But notice, Turks called them both Vlachs. It's an admission that they were ethnically the same, even though they lived in two separate states.




This guy was full of protestant and iluminist ideas who came from Transylvania and Poland, he believed what Moldavian are descendant of Roman Kangz LMAO. Something similar to the Polish nobility who believed what they descend from the Sarmatians.


Nonetheless, he didn't say Romanians are Romans, he distinguishes between Romanians and Romans (Ramleni).




Nope, you will find same quantity of differences as similarities. Is very visible till today. Romania is like a light version of Yugoslavia.

In any large country you'll find regional differences.
That said, Romania is not Yugoslavia. Romanians are not tribal about their ethnicity, blood lines matter very little. Maybe that's an emperial legacy, idk.
Romanians are accepting of foreigners, but not of invaders.

[Carpatz]

Yeah, Moldovans are bit lighter than Wallachians. Even Turks called them White Vlachs and Black Vlacks respectively.
But notice, Turks called them both Vlachs. It's an admission that they were ethnically the same, even though they lived in two separate states.



Turks used colors for cardinal directions (blue-east, red-south, white-west, black-north). They called Moldova Black Wallachia because it was located north of the other Wallachia. These labels had nothing to do with skin color.

[Pribislav]

....

[Dick]

Turks used colors for cardinal directions (blue-east, red-south, white-west, black-north). They called Moldova Black Wallachia because it was located north of the other Wallachia. These labels had nothing to do with skin color.

Grey would be somewhwere in the middle like Hungary

[Pribislav]

No they aren't ''Croatized'' dumbass četnik, they are simply mixed with catholic Albanians since they live in Kosovo since 14th century, longer than Serbs live in Croatia.
I know few of Janjevci and most of them has Croatian family names (hence Y dna), but they look much more Balkan than usual.

Read what historian say about Janjevo https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=73625131&postcount=50

[ixulescu]

Turks used colors for cardinal directions (blue-east, red-south, white-west, black-north). They called Moldova Black Wallachia because it was located north of the other Wallachia. These labels had nothing to do with skin color.

I didn't remember the names correctly.

Wallachia was Kara Iflak (or Eflak) and Moldova was Bogdan Eflak.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Read what historian say about Janjevo https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=73625131&postcount=50

He says same that I did. There were Croat colonists and heavy mixing with Albanians. Somebody who has surname Glasnović is def. Croat origin, some others are Albanians.
But even Croat descended Janjevci can be Albanian like autosomaly. They are there for centuries.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Here's general Glasnović and his twin brother, they have very typical southern Croatian phenotype. Similar to Zoran Milanović in fact.

https://www.maxportal.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/glasnovi%C4%87-davor-%C5%BEeljko-bujica.jpg
https://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Archive/Images/2016/08/01/Novosti/glasnovic_5.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/2018-11-17_-_%C5%BDeljko_Glasnovi%C4%87_-_3921.jpg/1200px-2018-11-17_-_%C5%BDeljko_Glasnovi%C4%87_-_3921.jpg

On he other hand you have Olympic medalists Glasnović brothers who have typical Albanian phenotypes:

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/84/4d/f36d2772c02b5730f279.jpeg
http://www.crossbow-croatia.hr/hss_galerije/oilondon2012odlazak/josipglasnovitrener.jpg

Janjevci are diverse. Some look Croats some look Albanians and many in-between but Balkan in general.

[Dna8]

Here's general Glasnović and his twin brother, they have very typical southern Croatian phenotype. Similar to Zoran Milanović in fact.

https://www.maxportal.hr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/glasnovi%C4%87-davor-%C5%BEeljko-bujica.jpg
https://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Archive/Images/2016/08/01/Novosti/glasnovic_5.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/2018-11-17_-_%C5%BDeljko_Glasnovi%C4%87_-_3921.jpg/1200px-2018-11-17_-_%C5%BDeljko_Glasnovi%C4%87_-_3921.jpg

On he other hand you have Olympic medalists Glasnović brothers who have typical Albanian phenotypes:

https://www.24sata.hr/media/img/84/4d/f36d2772c02b5730f279.jpeg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cdpl7LaQ4OQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Janjevci are diverse. Some look Croats some look Albanians and many in-between but Balkan in general.

Very Croatian looks, I agree.

[Pribislav]

He says same that I did. There were Croat colonists and heavy mixing with Albanians. Somebody who has surname Glasnović is def. Croat origin, some others are Albanians.
But even Croat descended Janjevci can be Albanian like autosomaly. They are there for centuries.

I would be useful to Glasnovići being tested on y dna.
According to Pavo B. Albanian element is stronger thanbDubrovnik element in Janjevci.

Janjevci plot with Shiptars, and Zagorci with Czechs and Slovenians. This is huge autosomal extremes for small nation as Croatians. Look at Serbs from various regions, all are same.

[Carpatz]

I didn't remember the names correctly.

Wallachia was Kara Iflak (or Eflak) and Moldova was Bogdan Eflak.

Eflak was Muntenia, which is what they considered Wallachia proper. Kara-Eflak was used interchangeably for both Moldova and Oltenia along with Kuçuk-Eflak (Small Wallachia) for Oltenia and Bogdan-Eflak (Bogdan's Wallachia) for Moldova. Kara (black) in this context is used to indicate geographical direction rather than skin color.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I would be useful to Glasnovići being tested on y dna.
According to Pavo B. Albanian element is stronger thanbDubrovnik element in Janjevci.

Janjevci plot with Shiptars, and Zagorci with Czechs and Slovenians. This is huge autosomal extremes for small nation as Croatians. Look at Serbs from various regions, all are same.

where are Janjevci dna results though ? Never seen any.
Some Montenegrins plot with SE Romanians some Serbs with Croats. So not ''the same''.

[Ikol]

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.39
2 North_Atlantic 27.28
3 West_Med 19.07
4 East_Med 13.42
5 West_Asian 7.32
6 Red_Sea 1.92
7 Amerindian 1.05
8 East_Asian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.49
10 Northeast_African 0.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.31
2 Romanian 7.1
3 Moldavian 7.45
4 Hungarian 8.44
5 Croatian 8.75
6 Bulgarian 9.37
7 Austrian 10.7
8 East_German 12.02
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.33
10 South_Polish 15.82
11 West_German 15.88
12 Ukrainian 16.49
13 French 16.84
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.07
15 North_Italian 17.14
16 South_Dutch 17.19
17 Polish 19.25
18 Portuguese 19.37
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.42
20 Tuscan 19.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% North_Italian @ 1.9
2 69.6% Croatian + 30.4% Tuscan @ 2.15
3 54.3% Ukrainian + 45.7% Tuscan @ 2.19
4 55% North_Italian + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.46
5 56.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.8% Tuscan @ 2.55
6 54.5% North_Italian + 45.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.55
7 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% North_Italian @ 2.58
8 52.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.1% North_Italian @ 2.75
9 75.6% Moldavian + 24.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.75
10 50.4% Polish + 49.6% Tuscan @ 2.76
11 51% Ukrainian + 49% North_Italian @ 2.78
12 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.89
13 75.9% Moldavian + 24.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.91
14 73.6% Moldavian + 26.4% Portuguese @ 2.92
15 75.1% Moldavian + 24.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.92
16 58.4% Tuscan + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 2.96
17 76.9% Moldavian + 23.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.05
18 75.3% Moldavian + 24.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.06
19 52.8% Tuscan + 47.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.09
20 56.2% North_Italian + 43.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.17


Dodecad K12b Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 39.65
2 Atlantic_Med 28.29
3 Caucasus 22.25
4 Southwest_Asian 4.67
5 Gedrosia 3.89
6 East_Asian 0.9
7 South_Asian 0.18
8 Northwest_African 0.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.54
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.49
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.55
4 Hungarians (Behar) 9.9
5 German (Dodecad) 14.86
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 18.39
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.99
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.08
9 French (Dodecad) 19.94
10 French (HGDP) 20.11
11 Dutch (Dodecad) 20.4
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.92
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.99
14 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.44
15 Tuscan (HGDP) 22.57
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.6
17 English (Dodecad) 22.79
18 Greek (Dodecad) 22.94
19 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.69
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 39% German (Dodecad) @ 1.09
2 61.5% Tuscan (HGDP) + 38.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.29
3 63.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 36.4% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.3
4 54.2% Tuscan (HGDP) + 45.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.32
5 70% Hungarians (Behar) + 30% Greek (Dodecad) @ 1.44
6 54.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 45.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.47
7 73.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 26.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.47
8 61.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 38.8% German (Dodecad) @ 1.5
9 66.7% Romanians (Behar) + 33.3% German (Dodecad) @ 1.52
10 56.8% Tuscan (HGDP) + 43.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.53
11 57.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.57
12 52.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 47.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
13 57.5% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 42.5% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.63
14 57% Tuscan (HGDP) + 43% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.64
15 57.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 42.4% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.67
16 73.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.69
17 57.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 42.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.7
18 75.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.71
19 75.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 24.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.72
20 62.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 37.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.75


Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.48
2 Baltic 17.78
3 Atlantic 16.89
4 West_Med 15.25
5 Eastern_Euro 11.82
6 East_Med 10.44
7 West_Asian 6.31
8 Red_Sea 1.86
9 Amerindian 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.26
11 Northeast_African 0.16
12 Southeast_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.8
2 Romanian 6.78
3 Moldavian 7.3
4 Croatian 7.87
5 Hungarian 7.99
6 Austrian 8.71
7 Bulgarian 8.86
8 East_German 11.41
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.9
10 South_Polish 14.34
11 Ukrainian 14.61
12 North_Italian 15.02
13 Greek_Thessaly 15.15
14 French 15.36
15 South_Dutch 15.97
16 Spanish_Galicia 16.23
17 Greek 16.44
18 West_German 16.5
19 Polish 16.78
20 Portuguese 16.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.8% Ukrainian + 46.2% Tuscan @ 2.14
2 68.2% Moldavian + 31.8% North_Italian @ 2.32
3 50.7% Ukrainian + 49.3% North_Italian @ 2.67
4 52% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48% North_Italian @ 2.73
5 55.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.9% Tuscan @ 2.82
6 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.86
7 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.87
8 66.8% Croatian + 33.2% North_Italian @ 2.88
9 72.8% Moldavian + 27.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.9
10 71.4% Moldavian + 28.6% Portuguese @ 2.9
11 69.6% Croatian + 30.4% Tuscan @ 2.97
12 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.98
13 54.3% South_Polish + 45.7% Tuscan @ 3.06
14 72.7% Moldavian + 27.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.11
15 71.9% Moldavian + 28.1% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.12
16 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.18
17 75.7% Moldavian + 24.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.22
18 55.4% North_Italian + 44.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.22
19 77% Moldavian + 23% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.23
20 83.3% Hungarian + 16.7% Sardinian @ 3.27

[Ikol]

Me and ur friend have the same results nearly, i have more north atlantic in euro 13k

[Ikol]

How do u get this map?

[Tschaikisten]

How do u get this map?

Put values from K15 here http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm, you'll get coordinates and then find it in Paint or Photoshop.

[Ikol]

https://imgur.com/DaNLMim

[Leto]

Serbian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.32
2 North_Atlantic 27.10
3 West_Med 15.84
4 East_Med 15.63
5 West_Asian 9.37
6 Red_Sea 2.50
7 Siberian 0.75
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 South_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.11
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06
13 Amerindian 0.03

Serbian K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.84
2 Atlantic 17.28
3 Baltic 15.16
4 Eastern_Euro 12.76
5 East_Med 12.18
6 West_Med 11.74
7 West_Asian 8.44
8 Red_Sea 2.60
9 South_Asian 0.34
10 Siberian 0.16
11 Northeast_African 0.15
12 Southeast_Asian 0.15
13 Oceanian 0.13
14 Sub-Saharan 0.05
15 Amerindian 0.02

[Leto]

Croatian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.11
2 North_Atlantic 27.21
3 West_Med 14.54
4 East_Med 9.44
5 West_Asian 7.94
6 Red_Sea 1.45
7 South_Asian 0.97
8 Amerindian 0.80
9 Oceanian 0.40
10 Siberian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.32
12 East_Asian 0.30
13 Sub-Saharan 0.19

Croatian K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.74
2 North_Sea 18.41
3 Atlantic 17.52
4 Eastern_Euro 15.17
5 West_Med 10.17
6 West_Asian 6.69
7 East_Med 6.25
8 Red_Sea 1.29
9 South_Asian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.24
12 Northeast_African 0.16
13 Sub-Saharan 0.16
14 Siberian 0.02
15 Southeast_Asian 0.02

[CommonSense]

https://imgur.com/DaNLMim

You didn't put any coordinates on the map, it's literally empty. Here you go, you are represented by the red dot:

https://i.imgur.com/ZERcfs5.png

You are similar to the man from Glamoc in the OP and the Dalmatian whose results Ayetooey posted, but you're even more western shifted than they are!

[Ikol]

What does it mean when im more westers shifted? Does it mean that im more bosnian serb than regular serb. :O

[Ikol]

Like a fight in the sand box really xD

[CommonSense]

What does it mean when im more westers shifted? Does it mean that im more bosnian serb than regular serb. :O

Not really. I used to think that too, but there isn't much of a difference between Serbs regardless of region, though we still lack enough samples from Montenegro, Eastern and Southeastern Serbia.

[Ikol]

Yes but what does it mean when im western shifted? ancestry from the west?

[Moje ime]

What does it mean when im more westers shifted? Does it mean that im more bosnian serb than regular serb. :O

That means you have more Germanic or Celtic heritage compared with more eastern shifted Serbs who have more Slavic heritage. Depends how northern/southern you're shifted too, that shows Mediterranean input.

I would like other members to confirm am I right?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

That means you have more Germanic or Celtic heritage compared with more eastern shifted Serbs who have more Slavic heritage. Depends how northern/southern you're shifted too, that shows Mediterranean input.

I would like other members to confirm am I right?

Eastern pulled doesn't necessary means more Slavic, east med/west asian admixture will pull you east as well.
neither is western always Germanic/Geltic shift, high west med will drag you west also.

Only is you plot northeastern from Serbian average it indicates Slavic pull, and northwestern plotting Celto-Germanic.

[Ikol]

according to myheritage i got 8,6 irish,welsh and scott :O Do u want that i post eurogenes results?

[Moje ime]

Only is you plot northeastern from Serbian average it indicates Slavic pull, and northwestern plotting Celto-Germanic.

Makes sense. But I've never seen Serbian result to plot southwestern from average, it is always northwestern. While for eastern plot there are both, southern and northern.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Makes sense. But I've never seen Serbian result to plot southwestern from average, it is always northwestern. While for eastern plot there are both, southern and northern.

I means Serbs are different from Albanians, because Albanians plot SW from Serbs. Those Serbs that plot SE are similar to Romanians and Bulgarians.

[Moje ime]

It means Serbs are different from Albanians, because Albanians plot SW from Serbs. Those Serbs that plot SE are similar to Romanians and Bulgarians.

I'll keep this for records, in case you forget it. :ranger

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I'll keep this for records, in case you forget it. :ranger

Never implied otherwise sweetheart.

[Dick]

I would like other members to confirm am I right?

You're always right, sweetheart.

[Leto]

10 50.4% Polish + 49.6% Tuscan @ 2.76
11 51% Ukrainian + 49% North_Italian @ 2.78


3 50.7% Ukrainian + 49.3% North_Italian @ 2.67

There is no Albanian reference on Eurogenes, otherwise Serbs could be modeled as half Polish/Ukrainian and half Albanian (Tuscans are quite close to Albanians).

[silentkiller]

Serbs are our bratushkas! I love and adore them.

[Leto]

Serbs are our bratushkas! I love and adore them.
No trolling please, this is a serious thread.

[Gospon.Fulir]

Hi guys , i checked some of results of Glamoč serbs and want to ask something , how soo they are plot southern than herzegovinians altought they are geographically northern ...also some of glamoč components on k13 seems very montenegrish , 24 north atlantic and 20 west med ....

[Ikol]

He is one of my matches on FTDNA and I found his kit on gedmatch. His haplogroup is J2 > J-PH1602, you can find his surname on our DNA project database.

Sorry for bumping threads like that haha. What does J2 > J-PH1602 mean?

[CommonSense]

Sorry for bumping threads like that haha. What does J2 > J-PH1602 mean?

It's his y-dna subclade:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1602/