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Tooting Carmen
02-06-2019, 10:22 PM
They both were originally Socialists who then made the far-from-uncommon jump towards Fascism by the time the Nazis occupied France.

Doriot
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Jacques_Doriot_PPF.jpg/220px-Jacques_Doriot_PPF.jpghttps://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315731-Jacques_Doriot.jpghttps://www.herodote.net/_images/doriot.jpg

Laval
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Pierre_Laval_a_Meurisse_1931.jpg/220px-Pierre_Laval_a_Meurisse_1931.jpghttp://www.ecured.cu/images/c/c0/Pierre_Laval.jpeghttp://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1315447-Pierre_Laval.jpg
Rouxinol
02-06-2019, 10:26 PM
Looks Carpathid, Eastern European.
Pseudo-Jewish vibe in the last pic.
Tooting Carmen
02-06-2019, 10:27 PM
Looks Carpathid, Eastern European.

I've added another one.
Rouxinol
02-06-2019, 10:31 PM
I've added another one.

I have a thread on Laval. Some sort of Armenid/Indid mix. Looks gypsy.
Veslan
02-06-2019, 10:32 PM
Alpine-Meds
Tooting Carmen
02-06-2019, 10:33 PM
I have a thread on Laval. Some sort of Armenid/Indid mix. Looks gypsy.

While Laval is an extreme/rare type for France and indeed anywhere in Europe, Doriot is not so unusual for France, and is precisely among the types of ethnic Frenchmen who doesn't easily pass in the UK.
Rouxinol
02-06-2019, 10:37 PM
While Laval is an extreme/rare type for France and indeed anywhere in Europe, Doriot is not so unusual for France, and is precisely among the types of ethnic Frenchmen who doesn't easily pass in the UK.

Doriot’s look is more Central-Eastern.
Tooting Carmen
02-06-2019, 10:39 PM
Doriot’s look is more Central-Eastern.

Well either way, his look is rather more common in France than in the UK. In fact, from both my own experience of French people in real life and those I have seen in photos and TV, I'd say at least 20-25% of ethnic French people don't (easily) pass in the UK.
Tooting Carmen
02-08-2019, 08:20 PM
bump
The Blade
02-08-2019, 09:12 PM
First one is Alpine.
Second I'm sure is not ethnic French just by looking at him - Indobrachid (must be a Gypsy).
Odin
02-10-2019, 10:53 AM
1. Dinaro-Alpine.
2. Coarse-Med.
cass
02-10-2019, 01:33 PM
1st Alpinid
2nd Armenoid
JMack
02-10-2019, 02:08 PM
Dinaro-Alpine.
Gracile-Indid + Armenoid.
Knight Slayer
02-10-2019, 02:37 PM
Both Alpine of some type.
Knight Slayer
02-10-2019, 02:37 PM
1. Dinaro-Alpine.
2. Coarse-Med.

That fits really well.
Tooting Carmen
03-14-2019, 03:16 PM
bump
Antinoo
03-14-2019, 03:21 PM
Dinarid + Alpine
Gracile Indid + Armenoid
Tooting Carmen
04-02-2019, 06:02 PM
bump
Tooting Carmen
06-20-2019, 11:18 PM
bump
Bougnader
06-20-2019, 11:21 PM
The second looks indian or middle eastern
Tooting Carmen
06-20-2019, 11:25 PM
The second looks indian or middle eastern

I know. Very rare for anywhere in Europe and probably would look quite exotic even in Turkey and the Caucasus.
Tooting Carmen
03-09-2021, 01:10 AM
bump
Xacal
03-09-2021, 01:35 AM
1. Atlanto-Med + Alpine
2. Indo-Brachid + Armenoid
Kivan
03-09-2021, 01:36 AM
1. Alpinid.
2. Indo-Brachid.
sevruk
03-09-2021, 05:28 AM
2. Aryan from India
Flashball
03-09-2021, 06:09 AM
Genealogy of Laval seem fully french, but maybe he was adopted... i never see a native french with this look.

https://gw.geneanet.org/gntstarlavalp?lang=en&n=laval&oc=0&p=pierre

Doriot looks like some member of my family (cousin and other). A french look, totally native and non-anglo-saxon.