Did Rita Hayworth Looked More Irish or Spanish? What do you think?

[alnortedelsur]

Since I'm a bit bored, I decided to open this thread. As most of you know, Rita Hayworth was half Spanish (Spanish father) and half Irish (North American mother of Irish descent). Do you think she looked more Irish or Spanish?

https://marciokenobi.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/ritahayworth18.jpg

https://klimbim2014.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tales-of-manhattan-20th-century-fox-1942-rita.jpg?w=500&crop

[Dna8]

Not an easy choice.. but I'd go with Irish.

[Ryuk]

Between of this two.

[lonewolfcypriot]

spanish

[Cristiano viejo]

She was Jew, not Spanish.

[alnortedelsur]

She was Jew, not Spanish.

Really? I thought her father was a regular Andalusian Spaniard.

[Papastratosels26]

In between

[Cristiano viejo]

Really? I thought her father was a regular Andalusian Spaniard.

It is said her Cansino family was Jewish.

[alnortedelsur]

It is said her Cansino family was Jewish.

But those might be just rumors, idk

[Latinus]

Both, this beautiful lady had a generic Euro face.

[Morena]

I think that she is pretty even. I didn't guess her spanish, so I can't choose that even though I can see it now that it's been mentioned.

[Dna8]

it's strange, people speculating upon her possible Jewishness.. I've never heard of something like that happening before..

[Dna8]

Thank god for Viejo.. she nearly slipped through..

[Knight Slayer]

Looks more Germanic/Central European to me in a way with how broad and soft her features are.

[Knight Slayer]

I could see how she might be Jewish. She has a southern German alpine look to her.

[Regnera]

In between

[alnortedelsur]

Thank you all, but those of you who haven't voted, please vote.

[Smeagol]

Rita Hayworth was not Jewish.

[alnortedelsur]

Rita Hayworth was not Jewish.

I'm glad to read it :)

Those might be just false speculations. I prefer to think this beautiful actress was genuinely half Spanish.

[Smeagol]

I'm glad to read it :)

Those might be just false speculations. I prefer to think this beautiful actress was genuinely half Spanish.

Lol, there have been rumors that pretty much every significant person in history from Hitler to Rita Hayworth were Jewish or part Jewish. ;)

[Dna8]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276702-In-concert-with-Interpol-TA-s-Most-Wanted&p=5787183#post5787183

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm glad to read it :)

Those might be just false speculations. I prefer to think this beautiful actress was genuinely half Spanish.


“El abuelo de Rita Hayworth fue un guitarrista de segunda fila, pero tuvo su reconocimiento acompañando a artistas. Su padre, Eduardo, era un bailarín de la escuela bolera”, recuerda Bohórquez, que llegó a acceder a la partida de bautismo del abuelo de Rita Hayworth. El padre del guitarrista, el bisabuelo de la diva de ‘Gilda’, fue “un célebre criador de caballos” descendiente de judíos sefardíes

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/famosos/2018-10-17/rita-hayworth-centenario-familiares-sevilla-castilleja_1631141/

there are tons of links and news about the Jewish origin of the Cansino family.

[Iloko]

a little more Irish looking to my eyes

but fuck yea I actually remember this babe from that classic stephen king based film "The Shawshank Redemption" if I remember correctly which I really loved and remember seeing as a teenager lol. 'Andrew Dufrane' the main protaganist I believe his name was had a poster of her attached to the wall in his prison cell..where he concealed the dug out escape hole leading to his escape :)

[Joso]

The both

[alnortedelsur]

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/famosos/2018-10-17/rita-hayworth-centenario-familiares-sevilla-castilleja_1631141/

there are tons of links and news about the Jewish origin of the Cansino family.

I had read something about it, but I preferred to dong give it credit. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have a lot of Spanish blood too, just like eastern European Jews have a lot of Slavic mixture.

[nafz]

I had read something about it, but I preferred to dong give it credit. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have a lot of Spanish blood too, just like eastern European Jews have a lot of Slavic mixture.

I saw a photo where all the family is together. Rita, mother, father and brother. Her mother does look Irish, Brunn with some Alpine. Rita seems to take after her mother, she has some slightly darker features and is more Alpine than Brunn.
I think her brother looked like her father.

Father looks some kind of Baskid with some med. I don't see why could not pass as native Spanish as Baskid is common in Spain, and of course Baskid is a Euro phenotype.

CV brought the "her spanish side of the family had Jewish roots" story because dad does not look like the light/blondish football players he likes to post.
If dad looked liked De Gea you would not see any such stories brought up by CV :).

IMO Hayworth was one of the most beautiful women and actress in the world to have appeared in the screen ever.

[Deneb]

It depends on the photo. But she usually looks more Spanish to my eyes. They dyed her hair to make her look more Anglo. Her father was from Seville, he had a generic Andalusian look.

https://i.ibb.co/HdTMDG4/Rita-and-father.jpg (https://ibb.co/FV4fb83)
https://i.ibb.co/7v1HzWk/father.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Dna8]

It depends on the photo. But she usually looks more Spanish to my eyes. They dyed his hair to make her look more Anglo. Her father was from Seville, he had a generic Andalusian look.

https://i.ibb.co/HdTMDG4/Rita-and-father.jpg (https://ibb.co/FV4fb83)

Yep, Dad looks very Spanish (Forgive me, Odin.. Forgive me, CV)

*Disclaimer: Spain has many common aesthetics. Spaniards are imperfectly represented in media and Western consciousnesses.

*Please refer all legal action to my attorney via PM.

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

she looked an even mix imo

i am pretty much half spanish, half irish too

what do you think

more irish or spanish ?

https://i.imgur.com/lcLqfiD.jpg

[Dna8]

quote

Agreed. There is the Iberian and the Celtic, both, in your aesthetic.

Re: supremacy: I'd say the Celtic has an edge.

[Deneb]

Yep, Dad looks very Spanish (Forgive me, Odin.. Forgive me, CV)

*Disclaimer: Spain has many common aesthetics. Spaniards are imperfectly represented in media and Western consciousnesses.

*Please refer all legal action to my attorney via PM.

Yeah, There is nothing exotic or weird about her father. Indeed he is an average Andalusian male. There are darker types in Andalusia, as the famous Andalusian football player Dani Ceballos (let alone the large gypsy community).

https://i.ibb.co/M7YMs43/Dani-Ceballos.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Dna8]

Yeah, There is nothing exotic or weird about her father. Indeed he is an average Andalusian male. There are darker types in Andalusia, as the famous Andalusian football player Dani Ceballos (let alone the large gypsy community).

https://i.ibb.co/M7YMs43/Dani-Ceballos.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

http://i.imgur.com/douHP.gif

I agree.

[Deneb]

http://i.imgur.com/douHP.gif

I agree.

There are lighter Andalusians than him of course. Mireia Belmonte, an Olympic Champion, is Andalusian as well.


https://i.ibb.co/0tzKJr5/Mireia.jpg (https://ibb.co/NSGrYKR)

[Dna8]

There are lighter Andalusians than him of course. Mireia Belmonte, an Olympic Champion, is Andalusian as well.


https://i.ibb.co/0tzKJr5/Mireia.jpg (https://ibb.co/NSGrYKR)

We are on the same wavelength, IMO: Spain is home to very light and very dark people..

My impression of CV is that he finds it acutely unpalatable, the suggestion that Spain is not simply inherently "light" (that somehow, any reference to Berid's etc is an attempt to darkwash Spain)..

At further risk of incurring his wrath, I'd argue that the "light" and the "dark" are equally native Spanish aesthetics..

[Odin]

Mix of both.

[alnortedelsur]

It depends on the photo. But she usually looks more Spanish to my eyes. They dyed her hair to make her look more Anglo. Her father was from Seville, he had a generic Andalusian look.

https://i.ibb.co/HdTMDG4/Rita-and-father.jpg (https://ibb.co/FV4fb83)

I'm surprised of how swarthy and untypical for a Spaniard, and even for an Andalusian Spaniard, her father was.

Rita Hayworth looked like an even mix of Irish and Spanish (normal Spanish).

[Latinus]

she looked an even mix imo

i am pretty much half spanish, half irish too

what do you think

more irish or spanish ?

https://i.imgur.com/lcLqfiD.jpg

More Spanish, I think. But you could be fully both.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Alpine, looks more central euro imo, but I guess she passes in many coyntrues, sort of pan euro.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Yeah, There is nothing exotic or weird about her father. Indeed he is an average Andalusian male. There are darker types in Andalusia, as the famous Andalusian football player Dani Ceballos (let alone the large gypsy community).

https://i.ibb.co/M7YMs43/Dani-Ceballos.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

The average andalusian man doesn't look like that, I know because I live nearby, you ?

[Latinus]

The average andalusian man doesn't look like that, I know because I live nearby, you ?

Why would the average Andalusian look darker/exotic when compared to other Spaniards? Wasn't Southern Spain repopoulated with people from the north?
Andaluzia might have more exotic types, but Iberian users always say Iberia is more homogenous than Italy and you can't tell with absolute certain where is someone native just based on their looks.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Why would the average Andalusian look darker/exotic when compared to other Spaniards? Wasn't Southern Spain repopoulated with people from the north?
Andaluzia might have more exotic types, but Iberian users always say Iberia is more homogenous than Italy and you can't tell with absolute certain where is someone native just based on their looks.

Andaluzia is indeed somewhat darker than most Spanish regions, it also has many more gypsies, but the average andaluzian is not like that.

But I would like to see Artabro explanation.

[B01AB20]

Andaluzia is indeed somewhat darker than most Spanish regions, it also has many more gypsies, but the average andaluzian is not like that.

But I would like to see Artabro explanation.

ALERTA ANTI-FASCISTA!!!

https://intereconomia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Pablo-Iglesias.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

I saw a photo where all the family is together. Rita, mother, father and brother. Her mother does look Irish, Brunn with some Alpine. Rita seems to take after her mother, she has some slightly darker features and is more Alpine than Brunn.
I think her brother looked like her father.

Father looks some kind of Baskid with some med. I don't see why could not pass as native Spanish as Baskid is common in Spain, and of course Baskid is a Euro phenotype.

CV brought the "her spanish side of the family had Jewish roots" story because dad does not look like the light/blondish football players he likes to post.
If dad looked liked De Gea you would not see any such stories brought up by CV :).

IMO Hayworth was one of the most beautiful women and actress in the world to have appeared in the screen ever.

Nonsense, I have absolutely no idea how the father looks :picard1:

There are hundreds of links where you can check the Cansino family was/is Jewish.

[Grace O'Malley]

she looked an even mix imo

i am pretty much half spanish, half irish too

what do you think

more irish or spanish ?


More Spanish. It is obvious to me you have some non-British/Irish ancestry.

[Joso]

More Spanish. It is obvious to me you have some non-British/Irish ancestry.

Irish and Iberian look the same. And there is no similarity between Irish and British.

https://i.redd.it/j633a9qunhly.jpg

[Latinus]

Irish and Iberian look the same. And there is no similarity between Irish and British.

https://i.redd.it/j633a9qunhly.jpg

https://media2.giphy.com/media/QcGTswMKyBNgA/source.gif

[Grace O'Malley]

Irish and Iberian look the same. And there is no similarity between Irish and British.

https://i.redd.it/j633a9qunhly.jpg

I think I'm just going to ignore you from now on unless you post something informative and interesting. But you carry on. :) I just find it tedious and obvious and constant trolling is childish.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Irish and Iberian look the same. And there is no similarity between Irish and British.

https://i.redd.it/j633a9qunhly.jpg

Honestly tell us something, infact you are just butthurt because you are genetically halfway middle-eastern, despite your nordishit fantasies of blond hair combined with big hook noses.

[Zroota]

More Irish.

[Gallop]

It is very Andalusian, very Cordovan. I find it very transparent and for me it is very easy to read in their expressions their state of mind or what they feel inside. It gives me information that insurance does not receive Irish or even Americans who is his native country.

[Morena]

I'm surprised her most iconic picture was not included:
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ficonicphotos.files.wordpress.com%2 F2009%2F05%2Frita.jpg%3Fw%3D700&f=1
From WW2
She looks more Spanish there, IMO.

[amoora]

she looked more spanish with her original hairline and dark hair.

[Roy]

An even mix?

[Cristiano viejo]

she looked more spanish with her original hairline and dark hair.

Which is that Spanish hairline so identifiying??

[dperucca]

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/41300000/Rita-Hayworth-cherl12345-tamara-41303476-400-500.jpg

She could pass in both places but looks more Med to me.

[♥ Lily ♥]

She looks more Irish with her red hair.

https://ikindance.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Rita-Hayworth.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/74/61/db/7461dbdcec0fe6fca98db051ce88920a.jpg

Her hair and eyebrows reminds me a bit of Lily Cole. (An English redheaded supermodel/movie actress/academic from Devon, south-west England.) They have different eye colours though, as Lily has blue eyes and Rita had brown eyes.
https://resize-elle.ladmedia.fr/rcrop/638,,forcex/img/var/plain_site/storage/images/people/la-vie-des-people/news/lily-cole.-l-ame-fatale/14415571-1-fre-FR/Lily-Cole.-L-ame-fatale.jpg

[Gallop]

Two examples of girls with an Andalusian mother and British and American father. In the case of Rita, she was an Andalusian father and an Irish mother.


Helen Lindes, although she was born in the Canary Islands, is from a British father and an Andalusian mother

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/december-13-2000-saint-kitts-nevis-the-canary-helen-lindes-miss-spain-picture-id89450437
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/11/0b/97110b0ad4699f9c461041befd8d9154.jpg
https://img.bekiabelleza.com/looks_belleza/1000/1431-p.jpg

Estefanía Luyk From an Andalusian mother and an American father
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/a2/e1/45a2e196173ae7b8292de218f05b5e51.jpg
https://sevilla.abc.es/estilo/bulevarsur/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/estefania-luyk-pura-moda-gal4.jpg
https://static2.diariosur.es/www/pre2017/multimedia/noticias/200807/16/Media/prime.jpg

[Roy]

Two examples of girls with an Andalusian mother and British and American father. In the case of Rita, she was an Andalusian father and an Irish mother.


Helen Lindes, although she was born in the Canary Islands, is from a British father and an Andalusian mother

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/december-13-2000-saint-kitts-nevis-the-canary-helen-lindes-miss-spain-picture-id89450437
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/11/0b/97110b0ad4699f9c461041befd8d9154.jpg
https://img.bekiabelleza.com/looks_belleza/1000/1431-p.jpg

Estefanía Luyk From an Andalusian mother and an American father
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/a2/e1/45a2e196173ae7b8292de218f05b5e51.jpg
https://sevilla.abc.es/estilo/bulevarsur/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/estefania-luyk-pura-moda-gal4.jpg
https://static2.diariosur.es/www/pre2017/multimedia/noticias/200807/16/Media/prime.jpg

They look very similar to each other :)

[Gallop]

We also have Andrea Huisgen Serrano of German father and Catalan mother Marisa Serrano also model (anque Serrano is not a Catalan surname)

http://famousas.es/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/andrea_huisgen_6.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HzdfZsmPQFI/T7be52Yv52I/AAAAAAAAOeY/mm4YF9L9EEk/s320/Andrea+Huisgen+2.jpg

https://barnafotopress.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/and-2.gif

[Gallop]

There is also Lorena van Heerde of a Dutch father and a Valencian mother, Francisca (the mother's last name does not appear)

https://www.hola.com/famosos/especiales/chatlorena/img/home.jpg

https://lallavedemimundobylorenavanheerdewordp.files.wordp ress.com/2015/12/cropped-lorena_51.jpg

http://www.oocities.org/es/misses_mundiales/lorenavh.jpg

[billErobreren]

Honestly, she looks more Irish or Welsh. Not even with her old hairline and color did she look more Spanish than the former. Her father had a really long face and teeth like a guillotine. I'm sure he was a lovely man but we're lucky she barely took after him.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2mu4UhvNXw/TZefLOd4soI/AAAAAAAAC0g/fwIYrOuVQ7w/s1600/margamirror.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9h_Vu-_FS7U/VrTi6TKU4mI/AAAAAAACFJQ/mrMfL7R5sls/s1600/Rita%2BHayworth%2Bwith%2Bmother%2BVolga%252C%2Bfat her%2BEduardo%2BCansino%252C%2Band%2Bbrother%2BVer non.jpg

[Gallop]

To see some cordobesas

https://mx.hola.com/imagenes/famosos/2003032329751/famosos/missespana/semi/0-93-833/2003-03-23-a.jpg

http://www.que.es/archivos/201009/misscordoba2010_b-640x640x80.jpg

https://mx.hola.com/famosos/especiales/missespana2007/votacion/images/cordoba1-a.jpg

http://bodysize.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Nani-Gaitan-300x400.jpg

https://cordobabuenasnoticias.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Claudia-Bustos-Curvy-300x255.jpg

https://est.zetaestaticos.com/cordoba/img/noticias/0/952/952600_1.jpg

http://www.k-one.es/wp-content/uploads/Eva-pedraza-61.jpg

https://e00-elmundo.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2014/09/12/14105228705837.jpg

[Gallop]

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/76/b5/ea/76b5ea8022b843b4a8c52340d4f9a0b2--glamour-photo-classic-actresses.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Dora_la_Cordobesita_CM129.jpg/245px-Dora_la_Cordobesita_CM129.jpg

[Lurker1]

Spanish, she had some work done:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/4d/4c/564d4cdb6ea87c8de55ac91254de08f8.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/9a/ed/479aedd16f3bad85e1454ccd773884c7.jpg

[Arch Hades]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0JxkfyJIA0

[alnortedelsur]

Honestly, she looks more Irish or Welsh. Not even with her old hairline and color did she look more Spanish than the former. Her father had a really long face and teeth like a guillotine. I'm sure he was a lovely man but we're lucky she barely took after him.


Lets agree to disagree. She could perfectly pass as full ethnic Spanish. Not all Spaniards are long faced. Even if she didn't look much like her dad, she inherited Spanish traits. Those Spanish traits present in her must have been inherited from her Spanish father, even if her father didn't display them on his phenotype, but he genetically bore them (some of his Spanish ancestors).

[Gallop]

https://www.hola.com/imagenes/actualidad/20190819147725/maria-mar-aguilera-miss-mundo-2019/0-711-78/miss-world22-t.jpg

A Cordoba woman represented in Spain in the Miss World pageant 2019

Andalusian women are the most desired in Spain for their beauty and character.

[Latinus]

Lets agree to disagree. She could perfectly pass as full ethnic Spanish. Not all Spaniards are long faced. Even if she didn't look much like her dad, she inherited Spanish traits. Those Spanish traits present in her must have been inherited from her Spanish father, even if her father didn't display them on his phenotype, but he genetically bore them (some of his Spanish ancestors).True. While many Spaniards have the "horse face" look, not all of them have it. Tons of Spanish people are Gracile-Med and Alpinized, phenotypes that look softer compared to the Atlanto-Med.

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[noseynobody]

Rita's father was not a 'lovely man', he was evil, he abused her from the beginning of puberty or just before, sexually and with beatings - some speculate it was what caused her early onset dementia. When Rita came to Hollywood she was given electrolysis and a brow lift, and red hair, but the pictures from when she was a young girl are not to be trusted either, her father had dragged her up from the beginning, dyed her hair black (not her natural colour) and slathered her face in garish makeup and crimson lipstick, maybe even darkened her skin sometimes, she was his dance partner, which was part of their act, he had people believe she was his wife.

[noseynobody]

so just so you are aware some of the photos shared are from when Rita Hayworth was a really young girl, she's just dragged up in costume and makeup by her father who forced her to work, lied about her age and her being his wife while they were on the road performing their vaudeville act - this one is from 1935, so Rita would be 16-17 here 104202, but some posted are from her earlier teens.

[noseynobody]

(again I apologise for my grammar and terrible sentence structure)

[QueenLexiDear]

More Spanish even with red hair. She was very beautiful, one the most beautiful old Hollywood stars in my opinion.