Polish Bell Beaker on GEDmatch

[Peterski]

I have uploaded Bell Beaker Poland, I4253 from Samborzec, 2571-2208 BC:

Y-DNA haplogroup: R1b1a1a2
mtDNA haplogroup: U5a2c

Kit number on GEDmatch Genesis - KD9094254

Similarity map:

https://i.imgur.com/jF4pFSy.png

Eurogenes K36:

63489 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.72 Pct
Basque 1.09 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.95 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.94 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.86 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 7.16 Pct
Fennoscandian 6.14 Pct
French 7.07 Pct
Iberian 12.81 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 0.87 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.21 Pct
North_Caucasian 11.53 Pct
North_Sea 22.91 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.63 Pct
West_Med 0.11 Pct

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See also:

http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017...ska-poland.html (http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017/06/samborzec-beakers-from-maopolska-poland.html)

http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_25.html

http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017...orzec-sage.html (http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017/06/bell-beaker-buddah-samborzec-sage.html)

http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017...h-lowlands.html (http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2017/10/beakers-in-polish-lowlands.html)

[Borealis]

East Europeans from around this time period seemed to be more similar to modern west Europeans than modern east Europeans.

[Peterski]

Interestingly this one is specifically most similar to modern British people. Almost as if he was ancestral to them.

Because British people from that time (2600 BC) were more similar to modern Sardinians than to modern Brits.

[Borealis]

Interestingly this one is specifically similar to modern British people. Almost as if he was ancestral to them.

Because British people from that time (2600 BC) were more similar to modern Sardinians than modern Brits.

He may be. Aren't west Europeans descended from these beakers?

[Peterski]

He may be. Aren't west Europeans descended from these beakers?

Yes, see this thread ("What happened to Neolithic Britons?"):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?267564-What-happened-to-Neolithic-Britons

https://i.imgur.com/TsNYJbw.png

[Borealis]

Yes, see this thread ("What happened to Neolithic Britons?"):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?267564-What-happened-to-Neolithic-Britons

https://i.imgur.com/TsNYJbw.png

Interesting. So very little of modern Britain's ancestry comes from neolithic Britains. Where did the first bell beakers emerge and how did they spread across europe so fast.

[Borealis]

Holy shit, the Polish bell beakers are more similar to modern Britons than the other bell beakers are including english ones:


2 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Yamnaya_Samara Beaker_Britain:Average 2.3597 Open Map 41.67 58.33
3 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Yamnaya_Samara Beaker_France:Average 2.2586 Open Map 42.5 57.5
4 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Yamnaya_Samara Beaker_Poland:Average 1.4973 Open Map 55 45
5 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Yamnaya_Samara Beaker_The_Netherlands:Average 2.4792 Open Map 38.33 61.67
6 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Yamnaya_Samara English:Average 2.7869 Open Map 53.33 46.67

[Token]

He may be. Aren't west Europeans descended from these beakers?

Not these Beakers specifically. British Beakers were descended from the Rhenish Beakers, this Polish Beaker has local Globular Amphora admixture which makes them superficially closer to modern Brits.

[Peterski]

Second Beaker from Samborzec (lower coverage than the one posted above):

I4251 Bell Beaker Samborzec, Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a1a2 (this Beaker is a few centuries older than I4253)

Kit Number: CY2934277

Eurogenes K13. Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.7% French_Basque @ 5.39
2 57.3% Polish + 42.7% French_Basque @ 5.53
3 53.1% Russian_Smolensk + 46.9% French_Basque @ 5.56
4 79.2% East_German + 20.8% French_Basque @ 5.76
5 50.8% Kargopol_Russian + 49.2% French_Basque @ 5.78
6 60.4% South_Polish + 39.6% French_Basque @ 5.8
7 51% French_Basque + 49% Lithuanian @ 6.01
8 52.6% French_Basque + 47.4% Erzya @ 6.04
9 52.4% Southwest_Russian + 47.6% French_Basque @ 6.06
10 59.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.9% French_Basque @ 6.06
11 58% Ukrainian + 42% French_Basque @ 6.27
12 52% Estonian + 48% French_Basque @ 6.28
13 52.4% Estonian_Polish + 47.6% French_Basque @ 6.32
14 52.1% Belorussian + 47.9% French_Basque @ 6.39
15 52.6% Finnish + 47.4% French_Basque @ 6.85
16 81% Swedish + 19% Sardinian @ 6.86
17 62.4% Southwest_English + 37.6% Moldavian @ 6.91
18 60.3% Southwest_English + 39.7% Croatian @ 6.96
19 63.9% East_German + 36.1% Southwest_English @ 6.97
20 75.1% East_German + 24.9% Southwest_French @ 7.01

K36 (similarity is over 50% to modern Poles, over 60% to Western Europe):

12480 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 4.91 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.79 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.43 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.55 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 19.55 Pct
French 8.93 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.16 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 6.80 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 16.46 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.30 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 5.88 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.23 Pct

[Leto]

80% Northwest European, 20% North Caucasian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.4
2 Atlantic_Med 33.08
3 Caucasus 12.6
4 Gedrosia 10.9
5 Siberian 1.38
6 Sub_Saharan 0.5
7 Southwest_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Dodecad) 7.79
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.04
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.88
4 Hungarians (Behar) 11.43
5 Kent (1000Genomes) 11.77
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 11.83
7 English (Dodecad) 12.03
8 French (Dodecad) 12.27
9 French (HGDP) 12.69
10 British_Isles (Dodecad) 13.49
11 Argyll (1000Genomes) 13.82
12 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 13.88
13 British (Dodecad) 14.19
14 Orkney (1000Genomes) 14.66
15 Irish (Dodecad) 14.73
16 Orcadian (HGDP) 14.78
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 16.89
18 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.65
19 Romanians (Behar) 19.2
20 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 15.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.24
2 84.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 15.3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.24
3 84.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 15.7% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.36
4 87.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 12.9% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.46
5 87.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 12.7% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.47
6 87% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 13% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.61
7 83.7% Dutch (Dodecad) + 16.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.63
8 78.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 21.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.68
9 80.2% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 19.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.76
10 82.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 17.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.76
11 86.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 13.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 1.78
12 80% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 20% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.81
13 87.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 12.8% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.88
14 79.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 20.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.89
15 82.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 17.9% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.98
16 82.3% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 17.7% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.98
17 85.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 14.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.02
18 81.9% English (Dodecad) + 18.1% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.08
19 82.1% English (Dodecad) + 17.9% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.09
20 87.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 12.2% Georgians (Behar) @ 2.1

[Peterski]

I think these Polish Beakers were R1b-Z2103, so not ancestral to my R1b-DF27:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?197051-R1b-M269-subclades-in-Poland

[Imperator Biff]

Beakers probably from Hungary pushed corded ware out of Central Europe further to the east where they persisted as the Fatyanovo-Balanovo complex. Eventually their descendants would retake this land back in subsequent slavic expansions.

[Imperator Biff]

Interesting. So very little of modern Britain's ancestry comes from neolithic Britains. Where did the first bell beakers emerge and how did they spread across europe so fast.

These particular rhenish beakers came from single grave probably. No one really knows where the BBC package itself originated. There’s also evidence that suggests they engaged in mounted archery and with the use of horses they overwhelm Western Europe pretty quickly.