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Peterski

02-08-2019, 05:49 AM

This is the oldest known man with R1a-M417 which is ancestral to most of modern R1a:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#12/49.7132/37.6369

R1a-M417 ancestor I6561 Sredny Stog II, Alexandria (Ukrainian Steppe), ca. 3500 BC:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221794-R1a-M417-in-Copper-Age-Alexandria

https://i.imgur.com/bOKc6On.png

https://i.imgur.com/AtZLd1i.png

https://i.imgur.com/kMy20tL.png

I have uploaded his DNA to GEDmatch Genesis.

Kit number on GEDmatch Genesis - ZL8105546

Eurogenes K13. Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.98
2 North_Atlantic 39.39
3 West_Asian 15.56
4 South_Asian 2.93
5 West_Med 1.16
6 Oceanian 0.7
7 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Swedish 13.87
2 Southwest_Finnish 14.42
3 South_Polish 15.29
4 Polish 15.68
5 Finnish 16.09
6 Swedish 16.27
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.71
8 Russian_Smolensk 16.87
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.97
10 Estonian 17.03
11 East_German 17.22
12 Ukrainian 17.44
13 Belorussian 17.47
14 North_German 17.54
15 Southwest_Russian 17.68
16 Hungarian 18.24
17 Estonian_Polish 18.25
18 Austrian 18.38
19 Norwegian 18.71
20 La_Brana-1 18.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% Southwest_Finnish + 20.6% Tabassaran @ 9.71
2 80.9% North_Swedish + 19.1% Tabassaran @ 9.92
3 80.8% Southwest_Finnish + 19.2% Lezgin @ 10.13
4 82% North_Swedish + 18% Lezgin @ 10.14
5 85.5% Southwest_Finnish + 14.5% Balochi @ 10.27
6 86% Southwest_Finnish + 14% Brahui @ 10.39
7 82.5% North_Swedish + 17.5% Chechen @ 10.4
8 81.2% Southwest_Finnish + 18.8% Chechen @ 10.42
9 87% North_Swedish + 13% Balochi @ 10.58
10 85.5% North_Swedish + 14.5% Kalash @ 10.63
11 87.4% North_Swedish + 12.6% Brahui @ 10.68
12 84.6% Southwest_Finnish + 15.4% Kalash @ 10.75
13 86.3% Southwest_Finnish + 13.7% Makrani @ 10.8
14 51.2% Swedish + 48.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 10.82
15 54.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 45.4% Norwegian @ 10.87
16 83.3% Southwest_Finnish + 16.7% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.91
17 84.7% North_Swedish + 15.3% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.95
18 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% North_Ossetian @ 11.02
19 87.8% North_Swedish + 12.2% Makrani @ 11.05
20 85.2% North_Swedish + 14.8% Adygei @ 11.1

Eurogenes K36 results:

98715 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 5.16 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.56 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 17.70 Pct
Fennoscandian 9.30 Pct
French 4.41 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 20.16 Pct
North_Caucasian 8.21 Pct
North_Sea 21.89 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 4.13 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 2.48 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/FDJJTMQ.png

Edit:

This is how he plots in Eurogenes K13 Megaplot:

https://i.imgur.com/fAWVThD.png

^^^ Simply Proto-Aryan results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtcIMsRpjqg

Also, admixture data for this guy from the study:

https://i.imgur.com/8TbQ44f.png

Leto

02-08-2019, 06:01 AM

Great. Muh forefather!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 55.64
2 Atlantic_Med 22.36
3 Gedrosia 16.19
4 Caucasus 5.69
5 Northwest_African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish (Dodecad) 13.23
2 German (Dodecad) 15.07
3 Norwegian (Dodecad) 15.55
4 Hungarians (Behar) 16.75
5 Polish (Dodecad) 17.15
6 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.47
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 19.02
8 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.04
9 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 19.27
10 Russian (Dodecad) 19.31
11 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 19.44
12 Russian (HGDP) 20.41
13 Belorussian (Behar) 20.69
14 Argyll (1000Genomes) 20.73
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 21.03
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.14
17 English (Dodecad) 21.34
18 Russian_B (Behar) 21.4
19 Orcadian (HGDP) 21.78
20 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 16.9% Lezgins (Behar) @ 8.28
2 83.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 16.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 8.49
3 52.2% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47.8% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 8.49
4 81.3% Swedish (Dodecad) + 18.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 8.61
5 85% Swedish (Dodecad) + 15% Pathan (HGDP) @ 8.95
6 52.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 9.02
7 53.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 46.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 9.04
8 84.9% Swedish (Dodecad) + 15.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 9.09
9 54.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 45.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 9.13
10 82.7% Polish (Dodecad) + 17.3% Balochi (HGDP) @ 9.15
11 85.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 14.2% Burusho (HGDP) @ 9.28
12 88.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 9.36
13 88.1% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 9.44
14 56% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 44% British (Dodecad) @ 9.54
15 82.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 17.2% Makrani (HGDP) @ 9.61
16 56.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 43.4% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 9.61
17 86.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 13.8% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 9.61
18 89% Swedish (Dodecad) + 11% Brahui (HGDP) @ 9.64
19 53% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 47% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 9.65
20 53.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 46.7% English (Dodecad) @ 9.66

Leto

02-08-2019, 06:03 AM

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 56.15
2 Baloch 17.7
3 Mediterranean 17.47
4 Caucasian 7.27
5 Beringian 1.36
6 W-African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ukranian (yunusbayev) 11.64
2 mordovian (yunusbayev) 12.43
3 belorussian (behar) 13.83
4 slovenian (xing) 14.37
5 n-european (xing) 14.73
6 russian (hgdp) 14.95
7 utahn-white (hapmap) 15.02
8 hungarian (behar) 15.05
9 russian (behar) 15.82
10 orcadian (hgdp) 16.44
11 utahn-white (1000genomes) 16.56
12 british (1000genomes) 17.33
13 lithuanian (behar) 17.53
14 chuvash (behar) 22.05
15 french (hgdp) 23.49
16 romanian-a (behar) 27.56
17 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 29.59
18 finnish (1000genomes) 30.34
19 spaniard (behar) 35.27
20 italian (hgdp) 35.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.5% lithuanian (behar) + 20.5% brahui (hgdp) @ 5.89
2 79.2% lithuanian (behar) + 20.8% makrani (hgdp) @ 5.98
3 79% lithuanian (behar) + 21% balochi (hgdp) @ 6.05
4 84.1% belorussian (behar) + 15.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 6.79
5 84% belorussian (behar) + 16% balochi (hgdp) @ 7.22
6 73% lithuanian (behar) + 27% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 7.26
7 84.3% belorussian (behar) + 15.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 7.34
8 77.4% lithuanian (behar) + 22.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 7.58
9 77.2% lithuanian (behar) + 22.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 7.85
10 77.8% lithuanian (behar) + 22.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 7.88
11 79.4% lithuanian (behar) + 20.6% sindhi (hgdp) @ 8.09
12 76.4% lithuanian (behar) + 23.6% pashtun (harappa) @ 8.1
13 77.6% lithuanian (behar) + 22.4% burusho (hgdp) @ 8.17
14 83.2% belorussian (behar) + 16.8% bhatia (harappa) @ 8.3
15 78.3% lithuanian (behar) + 21.7% sindhi (harappa) @ 8.4
16 79.3% lithuanian (behar) + 20.7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 8.43
17 84.5% belorussian (behar) + 15.5% sindhi (hgdp) @ 8.45
18 89% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 11% brahui (hgdp) @ 8.54
19 77.5% lithuanian (behar) + 22.5% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 8.57
20 83.3% belorussian (behar) + 16.7% kalash (hgdp) @ 8.6

dosas

02-08-2019, 06:19 AM

Very interesting. So these results unofficially confirm that R1a is a 'North Slavic' haplogroup?

Peterski

02-08-2019, 06:22 AM

Very interesting. So these results unofficially confirm that R1a is a 'North Slavic' haplogroup?

This guy was ancestral to ALL of modern R1a - including Germanic and Indo-Aryan branches of R1a as well - not JUST to Balto-Slavic R1a.

Token

02-08-2019, 06:34 AM

Most similar to Northwestern Europeans, as always. The Bronze Age steppe was Western European in essence.

Peterski

02-08-2019, 06:36 AM

Most similar to Northwestern Europeans, as always.

You must be kidding, he is equally similar to Eastern and Northwestern. Look at Mixed Mode in K13.

And this is not because he was a mix of both groups, but because he was ancestral to both groups.

Later some of his descendants went east, some went west and they drifted differently over generations.

Leto

02-08-2019, 09:56 AM

Compare with the Yamnya sample from modern Kazakhstan. The sample quality is exceptionally good

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit EC6128480

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.93
2 West_Asian 27.46
3 North_Atlantic 25.16
4 Amerindian 5.75
5 South_Asian 5.7

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 22.06
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 23.01
3 Tatar 23.38
4 Moldavian 23.51
5 Southwest_Russian 23.57
6 South_Polish 23.78
7 Croatian 23.99
8 Ukrainian 24.14
9 Erzya 24.48
10 Kargopol_Russian 24.54
11 Polish 24.54
12 Russian_Smolensk 24.61
13 Hungarian 24.77
14 Estonian_Polish 26.13
15 Belorussian 26.37
16 East_German 26.75
17 Austrian 26.97
18 Finnish 27.51
19 Serbian 27.56
20 Lithuanian 27.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Estonian + 49.2% Tabassaran @ 9.56
2 50.9% Lithuanian + 49.1% Tabassaran @ 9.8
3 51.1% Finnish + 48.9% Tabassaran @ 10.3
4 50.2% East_Finnish + 49.8% Tabassaran @ 10.73
5 53.2% Estonian + 46.8% Lezgin @ 10.89
6 54.5% Russian_Smolensk + 45.5% Tabassaran @ 11.08
7 64.2% Estonian + 35.8% Balochi @ 11.12
8 54.6% Kargopol_Russian + 45.4% Tabassaran @ 11.13
9 53.1% Estonian + 46.9% Chechen @ 11.22
10 50.7% Southwest_Finnish + 49.3% Tabassaran @ 11.25
11 52.4% Belorussian + 47.6% Tabassaran @ 11.31
12 53.3% Lithuanian + 46.7% Lezgin @ 11.31
13 65.1% Estonian + 34.9% Brahui @ 11.33
14 52.7% Estonian_Polish + 47.3% Tabassaran @ 11.41
15 58.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.9% Tabassaran @ 11.46
16 54.7% Polish + 45.3% Tabassaran @ 11.48
17 53.5% Finnish + 46.5% Lezgin @ 11.51
18 64.4% Lithuanian + 35.6% Balochi @ 11.61
19 53.2% Lithuanian + 46.8% Chechen @ 11.62
20 53.4% Finnish + 46.6% Chechen @ 11.74

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 57.05
2 Gedrosia 31.21
3 Caucasus 4.66
4 Atlantic_Med 3.41
5 Siberian 2.61
6 South_Asian 1.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 27.69
2 Russian (HGDP) 29.74
3 Russian (Dodecad) 30.67
4 Chuvashs (Behar) 31.82
5 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 32.08
6 Russian_B (Behar) 32.22
7 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 32.95
8 Belorussian (Behar) 33.51
9 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 33.67
10 Polish (Dodecad) 33.8
11 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 34.32
12 Finnish (Dodecad) 34.75
13 Swedish (Dodecad) 35.15
14 Lithuanians (Behar) 35.59
15 Hungarians (Behar) 35.78
16 German (Dodecad) 36.59
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 37.32
18 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 38.91
19 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 39.63
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 40.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.4% Lithuanians (Behar) + 34.6% Brahui (HGDP) @ 12.49
2 64.1% Lithuanians (Behar) + 35.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 13.06
3 66.2% Finnish (Dodecad) + 33.8% Brahui (HGDP) @ 13.38
4 64.8% Finnish (Dodecad) + 35.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 13.51
5 66.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 33.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 13.9
6 64.1% Lithuanians (Behar) + 35.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 14.02
7 67.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 32.8% Brahui (HGDP) @ 14.02
8 65.8% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 34.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 14.16
9 64.9% Finnish (Dodecad) + 35.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 14.35
10 65.4% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Balochi (HGDP) @ 14.57
11 65.9% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 34.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 14.94
12 73% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 27% Brahui (HGDP) @ 15.21
13 65.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 34.5% Makrani (HGDP) @ 15.51
14 71.1% Russian (HGDP) + 28.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 15.65
15 72% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 28% Balochi (HGDP) @ 15.96
16 70.1% Russian (HGDP) + 29.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 16.27
17 69.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 30.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 16.29
18 72.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 27.6% Makrani (HGDP) @ 16.77
19 59.5% Finnish (Dodecad) + 40.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 16.81
20 68.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 31.8% Brahui (HGDP) @ 16.91

HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 55.5
2 Baloch 30.94
3 Caucasian 7.58
4 American 4.12
5 Beringian 1.57
6 S-Indian 0.18
7 Mediterranean 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 mordovian (yunusbayev) 24.96
2 russian (hgdp) 26.69
3 chuvash (behar) 27.6
4 ukranian (yunusbayev) 28.39
5 russian (behar) 29.12
6 belorussian (behar) 29.15
7 lithuanian (behar) 30.41
8 slovenian (xing) 32.19
9 hungarian (behar) 32.84
10 n-european (xing) 34.85
11 utahn-white (hapmap) 35.07
12 orcadian (hgdp) 35.87
13 utahn-white (1000genomes) 36.29
14 finnish (1000genomes) 36.8
15 british (1000genomes) 36.9
16 tajik (yunusbayev) 39.15
17 romanian-a (behar) 39.78
18 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 41.29
19 french (hgdp) 41.71
20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 42.39

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.4% finnish (1000genomes) + 38.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 13.62
2 60.8% finnish (1000genomes) + 39.2% balochi (hgdp) @ 14.28
3 61.3% finnish (1000genomes) + 38.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 14.45
4 67.1% lithuanian (behar) + 32.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 15.02
5 66.6% lithuanian (behar) + 33.4% balochi (hgdp) @ 15.48
6 67.1% lithuanian (behar) + 32.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 15.58
7 57.5% finnish (1000genomes) + 42.5% kalash (hgdp) @ 16.04
8 57.8% finnish (1000genomes) + 42.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 16.17
9 71.9% russian (hgdp) + 28.1% brahui (hgdp) @ 16.55
10 63.9% lithuanian (behar) + 36.1% bhatia (harappa) @ 16.56
11 63.6% lithuanian (behar) + 36.4% kalash (hgdp) @ 16.59
12 57.3% finnish (1000genomes) + 42.7% pathan (hgdp) @ 17
13 71.6% russian (hgdp) + 28.4% balochi (hgdp) @ 17.03
14 74.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 25.4% brahui (hgdp) @ 17.16
15 72.1% russian (hgdp) + 27.9% makrani (hgdp) @ 17.17
16 63.5% lithuanian (behar) + 36.5% pathan (hgdp) @ 17.26
17 64.2% lithuanian (behar) + 35.8% burusho (hgdp) @ 17.52
18 57.9% finnish (1000genomes) + 42.1% burusho (hgdp) @ 17.54
19 74.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 25.5% balochi (hgdp) @ 17.63
20 61.2% finnish (1000genomes) + 38.8% sindhi (hgdp) @ 17.77

Ayetooey

02-08-2019, 01:27 PM

https://i.imgur.com/DvUSype.jpg

Just kidding. Cool sample my indo-european invader bros! :thumb001:

JMack

02-08-2019, 01:32 PM

It seems that if you mix a Northern European person with a little bit of Northern South Asians like Brahui or Kalash and add a bit of Caucasus stuff you'd have a ''proto-Indo-European''.

Peterski

02-08-2019, 01:35 PM

It seems that if you mix a Northern European person with a little bit of Northern South Asians like Brahui or Kalash and add a bit of Caucasus stuff you'd have a ''proto-Indo-European''.

You are reading it backwards... in this particular case he scores it because he was ancestral to these populations.

These components are based on modern populations, which inherited such DNA from their ancestors like this guy.

In K36 he does not score any South Asian (in K36 it is more strictly defined as indigenous hunters of South Asia).

JMack

02-08-2019, 01:40 PM

You are reading it from the end... in this particular case he scores it because he was ancestral to these populations.

These components are based on modern populations, which inherited such DNA from their ancestors like this guy.

Makes sense. But aren't Kalash, Brahui and Caucasians mostly Neolithic Iranian or CHG? I thought they weren't that steppe admixed. Doesn't make sense for them to be in mixed mode with populations very rich in steppe like Northern Europeans if these proto-IEs didn't had at least a bit of their main components.

Despite being closer to Northern Europeans by far the first Indo-Europeans had some stuff modern Northern Euros don't have. But I may be wrong.

Peterski

02-08-2019, 01:42 PM

Makes sense. But aren't Kalash, Brahui and Caucasians mostly Neolithic Iranian or CHG?

They are, but AFAIK components in K13 calc. are based on modern Brahui, Kalash etc. - not on ancient CHG samples.

So when you make a component from a population that is mostly CHG + some Steppe, you still include some Steppe.

Despite being closer to Northern Europeans by far the first Indo-Europeans had some stuff modern Northern Euros don't have.

He already had some EEF admixture - he was autosomally very similar to later samples from Corded Ware Culture:

https://i.imgur.com/8TbQ44f.png

Thracian

02-08-2019, 01:56 PM

Wow. Our forefather. Just expected he has high West Asian and some South Asian.

Bellbeaking

02-08-2019, 02:31 PM

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 79.4% Southwest_Finnish + 20.6% Tabassaran @ 9.71

Compare to Yamna
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.8% Estonian + 49.2% Tabassaran @ 9.56

Sredny Stog doesn't seem to have enough CHG to spawn Corded Ware or Bell Beakers

Peterski

02-09-2019, 01:22 PM

I6561 has matches with modern people in One-To-Many on GEDmatch, among his matches is this Indian guy!:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277430-Classify-Indian-guy-who-has-a-match-with-Ancient-Proto-Aryan

Sredny Stog doesn't seem to have enough CHG to spawn Corded Ware

So why are many Corded Ware Germany samples identical as Sredny Stog II with R1a-M417 in this admixture bar graph?:

https://i.imgur.com/8TbQ44f.png

Carpatz

02-09-2019, 01:36 PM

I6561 has matches with modern people in One-To-Many on GEDmatch, among his matches is this Indian guy!:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?277430-Classify-Indian-guy-who-has-a-match-with-Ancient-Proto-Aryan

So why are many Corded Ware Germany samples identical as Sredny Stog II with R1a-M417 in this admixture bar graph?:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/543802347751735297/d88.png

Zmey Gorynych

02-09-2019, 02:04 PM

michal3141

02-09-2019, 02:22 PM

Oh great ancestor we bow before you. I tried doing a one to one compare but it tells me that his kit does not exist. Is Gedmatch Genesis a different platform?

OK, it is a different platform. I have no matches with this guy.

Yes Gedmatch Genesis is a bit different compared to regular Gedmatch:

https://genesis.gedmatch.com/login1.php

celticdragongod

02-09-2019, 08:12 PM

Most similar to Northwestern Europeans, as always. The Bronze Age steppe was Western European in essence.

Interesting that R1a is a minority in modern Western Europeans.

Peterski

02-09-2019, 08:27 PM

Interesting that R1a is a minority in modern Western Europeans.

R1a is very numerous in places like Norway and Scandinavia in general.

This sample is not most similar to West Europeans. This is how he plots in Eurogenes K13 Megaplot:

https://i.imgur.com/fAWVThD.png

^^^
Halfway between Ukrainian Belgorod and Sweden, which is how his Mixed Mode in K13 looked like.

Dick

02-09-2019, 08:35 PM

is anyone here related to him on gedmatch?

Dick

02-09-2019, 08:49 PM

Ülev

02-09-2019, 10:19 PM

Baby pruskie – kamienne posągi, pochodzące zapewne ze średniowiecza[potrzebny przypis], o nieznanej funkcji i pochodzeniu. / Prussian women - stone statues, probably from the Middle Ages, of unknown function and origin.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_pruskie

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Pruska_baba_Olsztyn.jpg

really?

or R1a came from Altay?

(21;55)
https://youtu.be/Ud44aZR4lq0

XenophobicPrussian

02-11-2019, 02:01 PM

R1a is very numerous in places like Norway and Scandinavia in general.

This sample is not most similar to West Europeans. This is how he plots in Eurogenes K13 Megaplot:

https://i.imgur.com/fAWVThD.png

^^^
Halfway between Ukrainian Belgorod and Sweden, which is how his Mixed Mode in K13 looked like.
Do you have this PCA with all of West Eurasia and without all the random fuckers on it, just the pop averages?

Zmey Gorynych

02-12-2019, 06:29 PM

Aren

02-14-2019, 05:25 PM

JQP4545

02-14-2019, 08:50 PM

So Caucasus related ancestry was already there before Yamnaya?

Arhat

02-17-2019, 05:35 AM

So Caucasus related ancestry was already there before Yamnaya?

Yeah, Yamnaya was not the first Proto-Indo-European culture. Caucasus-related ancestry is from HGs in the North Caucasus region and already existed in Khvalynsk.

Leto

02-17-2019, 07:21 AM

Yeah, Yamnaya was not the first Proto-Indo-European culture. Caucasus-related ancestry is from HGs in the North Caucasus region and already existed in Khvalynsk.
Conventionally the Yamnaya are thought to have been the PIE culture which spread westwards.

P.S. Nice to see you back, brat! You are the real Aryan here :cool:

Arhat

02-19-2019, 06:54 AM

Conventionally the Yamnaya are thought to have been the PIE culture which spread westwards.

P.S. Nice to see you back, brat! You are the real Aryan here :cool:

Interestingly this Sredny Stog guy can be modelled as mixture of Yamnaya and GAC but Yamnaya did not exist 6000 years ago so there was already a population similar to Yamnaya in the steppe prior to Yamnaya. Maybe this was Repin?

Model Sample Details Fit Map Globular Amphora Poland Khvalynsk Eneolithic Ukraine Mesolithic Yamnaya Samara
1 Globular_Amphora_Poland +Khvalynsk_Eneolithic +Ukraine_Mesolithic +Yamnaya_Samara Ukraine_Eneolithic:I6561 BCE:4009 2.8693 Open Map 30.83 0 0 69.17

Austrvegr

02-19-2019, 07:30 AM

Yeah, Yamnaya was not the first Proto-Indo-European culture. Caucasus-related ancestry is from HGs in the North Caucasus region and already existed in Khvalynsk.

It already existed in a small quantity in a Karelian hunter-gatherer from ca. 5500 BC.

Imperator Biff

02-19-2019, 09:11 AM

Seems to me like this I6561 Sredni stog II guy was a mix of Khvalynsk eneolithic and local EEF Cucuteni-Tripolye populations.

Peterski

02-23-2019, 02:00 PM

He was from Sredny Stog Phase II:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredny_Stog_culture

"The expert Dmytro Telegin has divided the chronology of Sredny Stog into two distinct phases. Phase II (ca. 4000–3500 BC) used corded ware pottery which may have originated there, and stone battle-axes of the type later associated with expanding Indo-European cultures to the West. Most notably, it has perhaps the earliest evidence of horse domestication (in phase II), with finds suggestive of cheek-pieces (psalia)."

Proto-Shaman

02-23-2019, 02:50 PM

Yes Gedmatch Genesis is a bit different compared to regular Gedmatch:
https://genesis.gedmatch.com/login1.php

whats the main difference?

Norb

06-15-2019, 05:50 PM

is anyone here related to him on gedmatch?

how do I compare my results with his?

Lemgrant

06-15-2019, 06:03 PM

Seems to only work if I put in a lower threshold and minimum segment CM size

Largest segment = 3.2 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 3.2 cM (0.089 Pct)

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

242748 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.049 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparing Kit -- (*Lemgrant) [Migration - F2 - A] and ZL8105546 (I6561 Ukraine Steppe Sredny Stog R1a) [-]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 3.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 128.6 cM (3.590 Pct)

90 shared segments found for this comparison.

214417 SNPs used for this comparison.

Lemgrant

06-15-2019, 06:06 PM

Pontic Greek:

Comparing Kit -- (*Pontic Greek) [23andMe] and ZL8105546 (I6561 Ukraine Steppe Sredny Stog R1a) [-]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 5.1 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 46.0 cM (1.286 Pct)

17 shared segments found for this comparison.

73744 SNPs used for this comparison.

Lemgrant

06-15-2019, 06:23 PM

by lowering the SNPs and minimum cM, everyone matches with everyone else on gedmatch lol

Ashkenazi Jew:

Comparing Kit T709352 (*KAR MGF M1C EIM) [Migration - F2 - T] and ZL8105546 (I6561 Ukraine Steppe Sredny Stog R1a) [-]

Minimum segment threshold size to be included in total = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 2.7 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 159.3 cM (4.446 Pct)

118 shared segments found for this comparison.

242889 SNPs used for this comparison.

Kyp

06-15-2019, 06:32 PM

Largest segment = 3.9 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 185.3 cM (5.172 Pct)

136 shared segments found for this comparison.

238995 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.589 Pct SNPs are full identical

Token

06-15-2019, 08:08 PM