Classify Redhead Ancient Roman General Lucius Cornelius Sulla

[Joso]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nXxaJRRMoP4/VQ-5Fu4LllI/AAAAAAAAAC0/B3UVBeFjYtY/s1600/Lucius%2BCornelius%2BSulla.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbfCzAXbNXbSlLyUXTM5GyyCJZUIg_Q CfXPhSjnikb94bxijgo

http://www.the-romans.eu/Museum/var/albums/Museumpieces/Glytotek-Muenchen/GM042.jpg

https://www.shorthistory.org/images/Bust-of-Lucius-Cornelius-Sulla.jpg

https://static.turbosquid.com/Preview/2015/05/19__15_58_37/SULLAFinal.jpg13871ffb-9e86-49b9-9211-4fa721216a9bOriginal.jpg

[Veslan]

Pred. Keltic Nordic

[Zmey Gorynych]

Going by the 3rd pic/bust: Atlanto-Dinarid with CM influences. The dictator who wanted to save the republic. Certainly the most interesting roman general.

[Creoda]

Obviously Med or East Med. Passes in Sicily, Calabria and the Greek Islands.

[tipirneni]

Litorid + minor keltic

[Voskos]

Looks Balkan, can pass in North albania.

[Joso]

Obviously Med or East Med. Passes in Sicily, Calabria and the Greek Islands.

No

[aherne]

Cro-Magnon only

[Dominator]

Keltid

[Joso]

Cro-Magnon only

Agreed.

[gıulıoımpa]

i never pictured him as blonde …., Dinaro CM probably, he has what i call the Samnitic face, you can find similar types in Campania

[Joso]

i never pictured him as blonde …., Dinaro CM probably, he has what i call the Samnitic face, you can find similar types in Campania

Interesting, can you show some Campanians with similar look please?

[Token]

Only Veslan got it right. Lucius fits perfectly Coon's description of the early 'Italic' type, which is nothing more than a subvariety of the Iron Age Keltic type with Etruscan and Neolithic accretions.

[gıulıoımpa]

Interesting, can i show some Campanians with similar look please?


not campianian though this is imo very similar to what he looked like (was too good of an example not to post in comparison with others)

i think Fabio de Luigi is a very good example


http://babilonialagrande.net/xcose/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Fabio-De-Luigi.jpg

[Joso]

Only Veslan got it right. Lucius fits perfectly Coon's description of the early 'Italic' type, which is nothing more than a subvariety of the Iron Age Keltic type with Etruscan and Neolithic accretions.

Interesting. Now that you said, he does look very low vaulted. Can you show the source for that about early Italian keltic nordids?

[Dna8]

Nice thread.

Dinarid or Norid?

[Veslan]

Agreed.

A bit robust face was his only "Cro-Magnon" trait IMO. Besides that, he was a Keltic Nordic type, similiar to Mike Oldfield.

[Armenian Bishop]

Going by the 3rd pic/bust: Atlanto-Dinarid with CM influences. The dictator who wanted to save the republic. Certainly the most interesting roman general.

I love the Roman Empire and the Roman Legacy, but it doesn't blind me from some of their vices. Sulla was a typical Roman fortune hunter, dangerously ambitious, and with the power to accomplish whatever he wanted to do. He searched the world for places where he could invent reasons to start wars. And yes, he vested upon himself tyrannical powers, allegedly to reform the Republic; but, we have to believe the winning side, because the defeated faction was smitten. "Plutarch tells us that Sulla's soldiers began a well-organized massacre of 6,000 captive Samnites at the very moment of this senatorial session, and that the senators were horrified by the ruthless bloodbath."
https://www.persee.fr/doc/ccgg_1016-9008_2004_num_15_1_858

[Zmey Gorynych]

A man with a leptoprosopic face can not be CM.


I love the Roman Empire and the Roman Legacy, but it doesn't blind me from some of their vices. Sulla was a typical Roman fortune hunter, dangerously ambitious, and with the power to accomplish whatever he wanted to do. He searched the world for places where he could invent reasons to start wars. And yes, he vested upon himself tyrannical powers, allegedly to reform the Republic; but, we have to believe the winning side, because the defeated faction was smitten. "Plutarch tells us that Sulla's soldiers began a well-organized massacre of 6,000 captive Samnites at the very moment of this senatorial session, and that the senators were horrified by the ruthless bloodbath."
https://www.persee.fr/doc/ccgg_1016-9008_2004_num_15_1_858
Sulla was ruthless and like many roman generals he was a hawk but unlike Marcus Crassus he wasn't a mindless fortune hunter. He became rich well before entering roman politics but he did use public office and his armies to further enrich himself. You could even argue that he wasn't a reformist at all (that title goes to the Gracchi) after all he was a patrician, an optimate and thus a conservative. He did not pretend to be a man of the people like other patricians of his time. He had a clear idea of what the republic should be - a traditional government with a strong senate (wealthy patricians) at the heart of it. Historians say that Sulla was less ill tempered than, his populist opponent, Gaius Marius and less power hungry than Julius Caesar. I mean the fact that he resigned his dictatorship and refused to return to roman politics when called to do so says a lot about him.

[Joso]

A man with a leptoprosopic face can not be CM.



True, i didn't attempted to it.

[Joso]

bump

[Papastratosels26]

CM

[Joso]

CM

He is probably keltic nordid like the other guys said

[Joso]

bump

[Benyzero]

Noric-CM/Alpine