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Loki
05-23-2011, 10:13 PM
My Top 15 results* in ancestry finder:


1. Germany 58
2. United Kingdom 43
3. Netherlands 28
4. Norway 18
5. Ireland 16
6. Poland 14
7. Italy 12
8. Russia 7
9. Belgium 6
10. Ukraine 4
11. Switzerland 4
12. Sweden 4
13. Denmark 4
14. Moldova 4
15. Lithuania 4

http://imageshack.us/m/151/2117/afinder.jpg

France doesn't even make the list, surprisingly. But my top Southern European component seems to be Italy!! And, I am very surprised at Poland's prominence too. These things are visible in my genes too in the Eurogenes analyses. Fascinating.

*United States, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Not Provided filtered out.

Rochefaton
05-23-2011, 11:04 PM
Here are my results w/4 GP @ 5cM:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/ancestryfinderresultsmap.jpg

Here are my results w/1 GP @ 5 cM:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/ancestryfinderresults1GP.jpg

Barreldriver
05-23-2011, 11:20 PM
My Ancestry Finder 4GP @5cM:

New World Included:
United States: 22.3%
United Kingdom: 1.0%
Canada: 0.5%
New Zealand: 0.3%
Australia: 0.2%
Russia: 0.1%
Poland: 0.1%
Netherlands: 0.1%
Lithuania: 0.1%
Italy: 0.1%
Ireland: 0.1%
Germany: 0.1%
Finland: 0.1%

As I raise the bar populations start disappearing, leaving only the United States, United Kingdom, New Zealand, and Canada midway between 5-10cM, at 10cM only the United States and New Zealand show up, then eventually only the United States.

My low percentages across the board I attribute to I not having many genetic relatives in the database, or so I'd assume.

Rochefaton
05-23-2011, 11:28 PM
Here are my wife's results w/4GP @5cM:

United Kingdom 0.9%
Finland 0.7%
Germany 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Slovakia 0.2%
Russia 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Spain 0.0%
Ireland 0.0%
Greece 0.0%

Finnuits ftw. Barrel, you, my wife and myself all share DNA with the Finns, but my wife's score is ridiculous.

Barrel, what are your results @ default settings?

Mine:

United Kingdom 0.7%
Germany 0.3%
Russia 0.1%

My wife's:

Finland 0.2%
United Kingdom 0.0%

Pallantides
05-23-2011, 11:31 PM
4gp, 5cm

Norway 3.6%
Sweden 0.7%
Finland 0.4%
United Kingdom 0.3%
Netherlands 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Switzerland 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Italy 0.1%

Barreldriver
05-23-2011, 11:32 PM
Barrel, what are your results @ default settings?

Mine:

United Kingdom 0.7%
Germany 0.3%
Russia 0.1

My wife's:

United Kingdom 0.0%
Finland 0.2%

At default settings I get this:

United Kingdom 0.2%

Nothing else. :P

Treffie
05-23-2011, 11:42 PM
4gp, 5cm

United Kingdom 2.8%
Ireland 0.4%
Russia 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Czech Republic 0.2%
Spain 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Greece 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
France 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%

Efim45
05-24-2011, 07:58 PM
My top 15 results at 4 gp and 5cm

United States 15.9%
Russia 3.9%
Ukraine 1.6%
Romania .8%
Germany .8%
Belarus .8%
Poland .7%
Hungary .7%
United Kingdom .6%
Lithuania .5%
Slovenia .3%
New Zealand .2%
Netherlands .2%
Bulgaria .2%
Bosnia and Herzegovina .2%

Loki
05-24-2011, 08:04 PM
Just to make clear - what I did, was downloaded the raw data as a .csv file (which can be saved as Excel). Then I summarized all the country sources of the grandparents in pivot tables. I filtered out all colonial countries such as United States, South Africa, Australia etc - these skew the results and do not reveal much about the original ancestral European origin. When colonials are filtered out in this way things become more clear.

poiuytrewq0987
05-24-2011, 08:10 PM
<table id="id_af_results_table"><tbody><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_MK"></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_MK"><td class="af_tbl_country">4gp at 5cm

https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/mk.png
Macedonia

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.7%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_GR"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/gr.png
Greece

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.7%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_PL"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/pl.png
Poland

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.5%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_RO"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/ro.png
Romania

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.4%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_HR"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/hr.png
Croatia

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.4%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_DE"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/de.png
Germany

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.3%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_GB"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/gb.png
United Kingdom

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.2%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_UA"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/ua.png
Ukraine

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.2%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_RU"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/ru.png
Russia

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.2%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_LT"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/lt.png
Lithuania

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_IT"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/it.png
Italy

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_HU"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/hu.png
Hungary

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_FR"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/fr.png
France

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one" id="id_af_table_row_FI"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/fi.png
Finland

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_two" id="id_af_table_row_BG"><td class="af_tbl_country">https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7068/img/icons/country_flags/bg.png
Bulgaria

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.1%

</td></tr><tr class="af_results_row af_results_row_one sticky-highlighted" id="id_af_table_row_DK"><td class="af_tbl_country">
Denmark

</td><td class="af_tbl_color">
</td><td class="af_tbl_pctdna">0.0%

</td></tr></tbody></table>

Barreldriver
05-24-2011, 08:32 PM
Just to make clear - what I did, was downloaded the raw data as a .csv file (which can be saved as Excel). Then I summarized all the country sources of the grandparents in pivot tables. I filtered out all colonial countries such as United States, South Africa, Australia etc - these skew the results and do not reveal much about the original ancestral European origin. When colonials are filtered out in this way things become more clear.

Even when I leave out the colonials my Old World percentages stay the same, so I guess it varies case to case.

poiuytrewq0987
05-24-2011, 08:35 PM
I don't think South Africa should be included with other colonial states since it is technically an ethnic Afrikaner state that's largely lost to Zulus and Xhosas.

Pallantides
05-24-2011, 08:37 PM
At 4gp from the same country it makes no difference.


My US score at 4gp, 5cm is 14.7%, Canada is 0.2% and Australia 0.1%

poiuytrewq0987
05-24-2011, 08:41 PM
At 4gp from the same country it makes no difference.


My US score at 4gp, 5cm is 14.7%

For me it's at 3.9%; 4gp from US at 5cm.

Loki
05-24-2011, 08:42 PM
I don't think South Africa should be included with other colonial states since it is technically an ethnic Afrikaner state that's largely lost to Zulus and Xhosas.

It does not describe the European origins of the Afrikaners accurately, that's why it is excluded.

Loki
05-24-2011, 08:44 PM
Even when I leave out the colonials my Old World percentages stay the same, so I guess it varies case to case.

No, they won't if you download the raw data and calculate your own percentages. :)

Barreldriver
05-24-2011, 08:51 PM
No, they won't if you download the raw data and calculate your own percentages. :)

Ah, I suck at math though so I'm heavily dependent on the calculations provided by the tools. lol

I shall give it an attempt and hope to all goodness left in the world that I can figure it out. :P

Loki
05-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Ah, I suck at math though so I'm heavily dependent on the calculations provided by the tools. lol

I shall give it an attempt and hope to all goodness left in the world that I can figure it out. :P

Well I can do it for you if you emailed me your raw download. ;)

Oreka Bailoak
05-24-2011, 09:01 PM
United States 20.5%
United Kingdom 0.9%
Canada 0.4%
Poland 0.2%
Netherlands 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Ireland 0.2%
Australia 0.2%
Spain 0.1%
New Zealand 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Macedonia 0.0%

The only thing I don't understand is that I'm 1/4 German and on the advanced view of the global similarity section I scored right in the middle of Germany but on this test I scored .1% similar to Germans. Maybe this test has low accuracy for ancestry that is 1/4 or lower. I also have no Polish or Italian ancestors.

Loki
05-24-2011, 09:05 PM
The only thing I don't understand is that I'm 1/4 German and on the advanced view of the global similarity section I scored right in the middle of Germany but on this test I scored .1% similar to Germans. Maybe this test has low accuracy for ancestry that is 1/4 or lower. I also have no Polish or Italian ancestors.

As I said, the percentages are skewed by colonial countries. You list USA as 20.5%. Europeans are not native to America. I also doubt you have that much Amerindian.



I also have no Polish or Italian ancestors.


I'm sorry but you cannot say that for certain.

However, if a nationality pops up in this it does not mean you have ancestry from there. It means you *might* have. It just means one of your relatives has at least one grandparent from that country. That is all.

Pallantides
05-24-2011, 09:09 PM
It just means one of your relatives has at least one grandparent from that country. That is all.

Or all their grandparents is from there if it's at '4gp'.:)

Barreldriver
05-24-2011, 09:20 PM
As I said, the percentages are skewed by colonial countries. You list USA as 20.5%. Europeans are not native to America. I also doubt you have that much Amerindian.


I'm assuming the USA category is based on White Americans of predominantly if not all European Colonial descent or something close, so for US folks like myself with Colonial roots the figures are basically showing that we're genetically most similar to other White Americans.

Loki
05-24-2011, 09:23 PM
I'm assuming the USA category is based on White Americans of predominantly if not all European Colonial descent or something close, so for US folks like myself with Colonial roots the figures are basically showing that we're genetically most similar to other White Americans.

It just means that most of your relatives (on 23andMe - which is, let's face it - an American thing mostly) have been colonials for longer than two generations. But the implication you mention is probably correct, too.

Rochefaton
05-24-2011, 09:25 PM
I'm assuming the USA category is based on White Americans of predominantly if not all European Colonial descent or something close, so for US folks like myself with Colonial roots the figures are basically showing that we're genetically most similar to other White Americans.

Th US category includes anyone that listed their grandparents as being born in the US. It includes Euro Americans, Aframs, etc.

Oreka Bailoak
05-24-2011, 09:34 PM
As I said, the percentages are skewed by colonial countries. You list USA as 20.5%. Europeans are not native to America. I also doubt you have that much Amerindian.
Nah that's not what I was asking.

Somebody told me that Germany might not have been picked up on my ancestry finder data, despite me being 25% German, because not enough Germans have taken the test (but German Americans have who have all their ethnic German grandparents born in America- which gives me a big United States score).


I'm sorry but you cannot say that for certain.

Damnit, Mr. Exceptions, I know what you're saying. If you go back to the Ice Age then yes I'm sure I have Polish ancestors- but I meant my immediate ancestry back to the beginning of most records around the year 1700 (when ancestry acts like a massive web which dilutes foreign ancestry as opposed to immediate ancestry which can actually influence your genetics considerably).

I can say with 99% certainty that within the last 300 years I have ZERO Polish or Italian ancestry. I've spent 300 hours working on my ancestry. Ancestry works like a web, so the further you go back the bigger it gets so if my gggggggggggggggggg-grandfater back in 1550 immigrated from Poland to Germany then it shouldn't pick it up at all in my genetics because he would have married into a German family and it would have been diluted considerably. Most Poles immigrated to America between 1870 and 1914- the last ancestor in my family to migrate came from Liverpool to America in 1855.

But I suppose like what you were saying that some of my distant relatives may have recently married into a Polish family (which I'm not related to at all)- and since they are recent immigrants into America- then they would list that as an origin of one of their grandparents and it would show incorrectly on my ancestry finder data- because it is not very accurate.

Efim45
05-24-2011, 09:38 PM
Also, your German number can be quite small because there isn't a large amount of your relatives of German descent in the database that answered the survey.

Loki
05-24-2011, 09:41 PM
Also, your German number can be quite small because there isn't a large amount of your relatives of German descent in the database that answered the survey.

Germans are the largest group in mine though, so it is possible to come out strongly if you have strong German roots.

Loki
05-24-2011, 09:43 PM
@ Barrel, I still haven't received your email yet so I will have to call it a day. Have to make an early start tomorrow. I will do it for you when I come back from work tomorrow. :)

Loki
05-24-2011, 09:46 PM
@ Barrel, I still haven't received your email yet so I will have to call it a day. Have to make an early start tomorrow. I will do it for you when I come back from work tomorrow. :)

LOL I see it popped into my spam box. :p

Boudica
05-24-2011, 09:51 PM
Is this on 23 and me too or ancesrty.com? Lol I looked up ancestry finder and nothing came up.

Oreka Bailoak
05-24-2011, 09:54 PM
Germans are the largest group in mine though, so it is possible to come out strongly if you have strong German roots.

But aren't you English, right? lol That doesn't make any sense to me.
Why would somebody who is English score German but somebody who is mostly 3/4 English and 1/4 German not score German.

But it probably would not pick up "strong German roots" if you're German American because most of their German ancestors migrated between 1740-1880s (mine came over between 1740s-1820s); which is way before most peoples Grandparents were born (so it'll just list United States instead as grandparents origin).


Is this on 23 and me too or ancesrty.com? Lol I looked up ancestry finder and nothing came up.
This is all on 23andme.

Loki
05-24-2011, 10:06 PM
LOL I see it popped into my spam box. :p

And here it is Barrel:

I only included countries higher than 1%, because it goes into ridiculously small breaks and probably include all countries of the world eventually. :p Therefore, the countries I included make up 91.69% of all - which is enough to get the bigger picture for you:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7820/barrel1n.jpg

And that 91.69% presented as 100% in a pie chart just for visual benefit:

http://imageshack.us/m/27/6600/barrel2y.jpg

Treffie
05-24-2011, 10:13 PM
The only thing I don't understand is that I'm 1/4 German and on the advanced view of the global similarity section I scored right in the middle of Germany but on this test I scored .1% similar to Germans. Maybe this test has low accuracy for ancestry that is 1/4 or lower. I also have no Polish or Italian ancestors.

Or so you thought :D

Barreldriver
05-24-2011, 10:15 PM
And here it is Barrel:

I only included countries higher than 1%, because it goes into ridiculously small breaks and probably include all countries of the world eventually. :p Therefore, the countries I included make up 91.69% of all - which is enough to get the bigger picture for you:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7820/barrel1n.jpg

And that 91.69% presented as 100% in a pie chart just for visual benefit:

http://imageshack.us/m/27/6600/barrel2y.jpg

This represents my known ancestry much better than what is given on the 23andMe site.

Oreka Bailoak
05-24-2011, 10:20 PM
Or so you thought
blah blah blah.....


If you go back to the Ice Age then yes I'm sure I have Polish ancestors- but I meant my immediate ancestry back to the beginning of most records around the year 1700 (when ancestry acts like a massive web which dilutes foreign ancestry as opposed to immediate ancestry which can actually influence your genetics considerably).

I can say with 99% certainty that within the last 300 years I have ZERO Polish or Italian ancestry. I've spent 300 hours working on my ancestry. Ancestry works like a web, so the further you go back the bigger it gets so if my gggggggggggggggggg-grandfater back in 1550 immigrated from Poland to Germany then it shouldn't pick it up at all in my genetics because he would have married into a German family and it would have been diluted considerably. Most Poles immigrated to America between 1870 and 1914- the last ancestor in my family to migrate came from Liverpool to America in 1855.

But I suppose like what you were saying that some of my distant relatives may have recently married into a Polish family (which I'm not related to at all)- and since they are recent immigrants into America- then they would list that as an origin of one of their grandparents and it would show incorrectly on my ancestry finder data (by just lumping everything together)- because it is not very accurate.
^That's why this "ancestry finder" is stupid.

Treffie
05-24-2011, 10:30 PM
blah blah blah.....

^That's why this "ancestry finder" is stupid.

LOL :D I discovered that I had Ukrainian/Russian ancestors through 23andme. Initially, I was sceptical about the result that came up, but when I contacted the person who I was related to, she explained the story. I now know that it's not just a few Ukrainian/Russian relatives that I have, but hundreds (or maybe thousands) :p

Barreldriver
05-24-2011, 10:54 PM
I just caught that Jamaica shows up at 1.51% on the CSV breakdown, what's interesting is some of my Carolinian ancestors were sailors who shipped sugar cane from the New World to England, mostly shipped from Barbados though, I wonder if I got some cousins who are the product of one of these sailor ancestors of mine going AWOL in the Caribbean. :P

d3cimat3d
05-26-2011, 11:59 AM
Ancestry Finder matches at 5cM (and 4 grandparents from one country):

Romania 0.5%
Poland 0.3%
United Kingdom 0.2%
Italy 0.2%
Greece 0.2%
Bosnia & Herzegovina 0.2%
Serbia 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Germany 0.1%
Czech Republic 0.1%
Belarus 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%

Olavsson
06-04-2011, 02:39 PM
Here's my Ancestry Finder-results at 5cM and 4 grandparents from each country:

Norway - 2.4%
Finland - 1%
Sweden - 0.8%
Denmark - 0.5%
Poland - 0.3%
Russia - 0.2%
Ireland - 0.2%
United Kingdom - 0.1%
Switzerland - 0.1%
Slovakia - 0.1%
Netherlands - 0.1%
Germany - 0.1%
Estonia - 0.1%
Croatia - 0.1%
Belgium - 0.1%

Mordid
06-04-2011, 07:46 PM
And here it is Barrel:

I only included countries higher than 1%, because it goes into ridiculously small breaks and probably include all countries of the world eventually. :p Therefore, the countries I included make up 91.69% of all - which is enough to get the bigger picture for you:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7820/barrel1n.jpg

And that 91.69% presented as 100% in a pie chart just for visual benefit:

http://imageshack.us/m/27/6600/barrel2y.jpg

How does it feel to be 6 percent Polish ? :D

Odoacer
06-06-2011, 03:58 AM
Ancestry Finder results @ 4GP/5cM (not including colonials):

United Kingdom 0.5%
Ireland 0.5%
Netherlands 0.4%
Germany 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Tunisia 0.0%
Spain 0.0%
Poland 0.0%
Norway 0.0%
Montenegro 0.0%
Bulgaria 0.0%

10cM leaves me with 0.3% Netherlands & 0.3% Ireland; 15cM leaves me with 0.0% Ireland.

Allenson
06-06-2011, 12:32 PM
Still learning how this stuff works, but here's what I got with 4gp @ 5cM:

UK 1.5%
Ireland 0.5%
Germany 0.5%
Netherlands 0.4%
Denmark 0.2%

No colonials. ;)

Amapola
06-06-2011, 12:59 PM
United States 2.3%
Spain 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%

Grumpy Cat
06-06-2011, 01:17 PM
My tops are:

France
Finland
Ireland

This is going by 4 grandparents from the same region.

Tried to make a pie chart but Excel's being a pain.

Graham
06-06-2011, 04:39 PM
Updated list

4GP/5cm
UK 2.4%
Norway 0.4%
Netherlands 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Russia 0.1%
Lithuania 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Denmark 0.1%
Croatia 0.1%

Amapola
06-06-2011, 05:08 PM
United States 2.3%
Spain 0.4%
Portugal 0.3%

4GP/5cm (no colonials)

Spain 0.5%
Portugal 0.3%
Mexico 0.3%
Venezuela 0.1%
United Kingdom 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
France 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
Colombia 0.1%
Brazil 0.1%
Belgium 0.1%
Argentina 0.1%
Netherlands 0.0%

Polako
06-07-2011, 03:39 AM
It's starting to look more and more accurate. Apart from the UK score, which really doesn't fit, the top of my AF list now looks like something of a geographic coordinates list. It also gels fairly well with my family history. Over the next year or so, largely thanks to the massive discount, this thing will go off like a frog in a sock.

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/9433/50698436.gif

Graham
06-07-2011, 05:43 AM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10855&stc=1&d=1307425036
:eek:
Sense of humour, filling in their ancestry incorrectly?

Polako
06-07-2011, 05:48 AM
^ Nah, Brits get those regularly, from what I've seen. They probably date all the way to the Crusades. But some are recent, and probably just a result of horny sailors.

Grumpy Cat
06-07-2011, 11:55 AM
^ Nah, Brits get those regularly, from what I've seen. They probably date all the way to the Crusades. But some are recent, and probably just a result of horny sailors.

Yeah, I share with a Turk who has a very Western European mtDNA haplogroup, but he has no Western European ancestry that he is aware of.

I'm wondering, though, since it's mtDNA, that it may have came from a slave.

Polako
06-08-2011, 04:55 AM
^ mtDNA might indeed suggest something like that. But keep in mind it might only be a coincidence, and you both might share paternal ancestry.

I don't have any Turks in my AF, although I was actually expecting some. My very recent ancestors were going at it with hammer and tong against the Turks for a couple of centuries in present day Ukraine. So it's likely some of them got captured, but maybe not?

Loki
06-10-2011, 02:13 AM
Updated list

4GP/5cm


Mine:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5496/listedi.jpg

Efim45
06-10-2011, 02:21 AM
Updated 4GP/5cm:
16.4% United States
3.9% Russia
2.3% Ukraine
0.8% Romania
0.8% Germany
0.8% Belarus
0.7% Poland
0.7% Hungary
0.6% UK
0.5% Lithuania
+14 countries under .5%

Pallantides
06-29-2011, 09:32 PM
Got an Irish segment now:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3251/irishf.png

Graham
06-29-2011, 09:55 PM
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11888&stc=1&d=1309383939

Including, Canada, Australia, US etc..

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11889&stc=1&d=1309384346

Frederick
07-07-2011, 10:20 AM
Whats your anchestry finder results? (havnt found a tread about this)

My top are:

Minimum 5cM of continuous piece of shared DNA. All 4 Grandparents must be from 1 country:

1. Germany (1.1%)
2. United Kingdom (0.5%)
3. Netherlands (0.3%)
4. France, Norway, Ukraine (0.2%)

Longest continous DNA segments shared with anchestry finder matches:

1. Norwegian (9.9cM)
2. Belgian (9.2cM)
3. German (8.5cM)
4. Dutch (7.8cM)

Pallantides
07-07-2011, 10:46 AM
5cm, 4 grandparents from the same country(without colonials):

Norway 4.0%
Sweden 0.7%
Finland 0.4%
United Kingdom 0.3%
Netherlands 0.2%
Germany 0.2%
Denmark 0.2%
Bulgaria 0.2%
Switzerland 0.1%
Russia 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Ireland 0.1%


Longest shared DNA Segment lengths(without colonials):

1. Norwegian 19.4cm
2. Norwegian 17.0cm
3. Norwegian 15.9cm
4. Norwegian 11.7cm
5. Norwegian 11.6cm

Peasant
07-07-2011, 10:49 AM
Just the top 4 of each.

With Colonials

Minimum 5cM of continuous piece of shared DNA. All 4 Grandparents must be from 1 country:

1. United States (8.7%)
2. United Kingdom (0.9%)
3. Norway (0.5%)
4. Ireland (0.5%)


Longest continous DNA segments shared with ancestry finder matches:

1. United States (15.1 cM)
2. United Kingdom (14.2 cM)
3. United States(13.7 cM)
4. Australia (12.2 cM)


Without Colonials

Minimum 5cM of continuous piece of shared DNA. All 4 Grandparents must be from 1 country:

1. United Kingdom (0.9%)
2. Norway (0.5%)
3. Ireland (0.5%)
4. Spain (0.3%)


Longest continous DNA segments shared with ancestry finder matches:

1. United Kingdom (14.2 cM)
2. Ireland (12.1 cM)
3. United Kingdom (9.6 cM)
4. Ireland (9 cM)

Allenson
07-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Minimum 5cM of continuous piece of shared DNA. All 4 Grandparents must be from 1 country.

Without Colonials:

1. UK 1.6%
2. Ireland 0.6%
3. Germany 0.6%
4. Netherlands 0.4%
5. Denmark 0.2%

Longest continuous segments:

1. Brit (UK) 10.8cM
2. Irish 10.1 cM
3. Brit (UK) 8.9cM
4. German 6.5cM
5. German 6.2cM

Trog
07-07-2011, 01:17 PM
Without Colonials

Ireland 1.3%
United Kingdom 0.9%
Germany 0.8%
Norway 0.5%
Italy 0.4%
France 0.2%
Finland 0.2%
Sweden 0.1%

With Colonials
United States 18.1%
Ireland 1.2%
United Kingdom 0.8%
Australia 0.6%
Germany 0.5%
Norway 0.3%
Canada 0.3%
Italy 0.2%
France 0.2%
Finland 0.0%
Bahamas 0.0%


At the longest

Ireland 0.2% (15cM)

Trog
07-07-2011, 01:21 PM
How are you guys getting such accurate measurements with the longest continuous segments?

Peasant
07-07-2011, 01:33 PM
Put your mouse over the segment on the graph, or download the CSV and look through the data.

Jack B
07-07-2011, 01:36 PM
5cm, 4 Grandparents, No Colonials

Ireland 3.9%
United Kingdom 0.5%
Norway 0.2%
France 0.2%

Trog
07-07-2011, 01:46 PM
Thank you, I seem to have a lot of Irish and Italians.

Allenson
07-07-2011, 01:47 PM
How are you guys getting such accurate measurements with the longest continuous segments?

Took me a little while to figure that one out too. But, what he said. ;)

Amapola
07-07-2011, 01:51 PM
Me

Spain 0,4%
Portugal 0,3%
Mexico 0,3%
0.1% United Kingdom, Brazil, Belgium, Argentina, Venezuela.

My mother

Spain 0,4 %
Mexico 0,3%
Russia 0,2% :eek:
0,1% Sweden, Portugal, Italy, Finland, Colombia, Brazil.

My father

Spain 0,6%
Argentina 0,3%
Czech Republic 0,2% :eek:
0,1% Venezuela, Portugal, Mexico, Brazil, Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Odoacer
07-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Not to crash the party, but there IS a thread about this already: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27737

:D

Frederick
07-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Not to crash the party, but there IS a thread about this already: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27737

:D

UH ok. I should have searched for "23andme" instead of "anchestry finder" ;)

Odoacer
07-07-2011, 06:28 PM
UH ok. I should have searched for "23andme" instead of "anchestry finder" ;)

Or "ancestry finder" rather than "anchestry finder". :wink

Rochefaton
07-07-2011, 11:39 PM
My current results @ default settings:

United Kingdom 0.7%
Germany 0.3%
Russia 0.1%

My current results w/4 GP @ 5cM long:

United Kingdom 1.3%
Germany 0.7%
Norway 0.3%
Ireland 0.3%
Netherlands 0.3%
Russia 0.1%
Romania 0.1%
Poland 0.1%
Italy 0.1%
Sweden 0.1%
Finland 0.1%
France 0.0%
Belgium 0.0%
Austria 0.0%

My wife's current results @ default settings:

Finland 0.2% (NOOOooooooo!!!!) :lol: j/k
United Kingdom 0.0%

My wife's results w/4 GP @ 5cM long:

United Kingdom 0.9%
Finland 0.7%
Germany 0.4%
Poland 0.3%
Italy 0.3%
Slovakia 0.2%
Russia 0.2%
Lithuania 0.2%
Hungary 0.2%
Ukraine 0.1%
Norway 0.1%
Cuba 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Switzerland 0.0%
Spain 0.0%
Ireland 0.0%
Greece 0.0%

My wife's Russia, Slovakia, and Ukraine segments are the same segment. The segment she shares with the Ukrainian is just not as long as the ones shared with the Slovak and Ruskie, but it does overlap them. Perhaps it is some type of ancient segment shared amongst Slavs?

Trog
07-08-2011, 02:17 AM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.

Frederick
07-08-2011, 02:25 AM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.

I think you need to post your "declared" ones.
The undeclared ones are all matches that are not Jewish.

Its 0%-0.2% for me.

Wich results from sharing a 5.9cM segment with a Dutch Jew and a 5.4cM segment with a French Jew.

The number 0-0.2% means, its not sure that these segments are actually "Jewish" segments.

Beorn
07-08-2011, 02:27 AM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.

It makes sense though. Scots and Jewish jokes are mutual in their punchline.

Anyway, I got 3.1%. Must be the further you are from Scotland the less Jewish you are. Copper wiring and all that jazz.

EDIT: Okay. I have 0.0% – 0.1%.

Frederick
07-08-2011, 02:32 AM
Add: Havnt checked "with colonials".

In that case its:

13.7%-14% shared DNA with people NOT declared Jews.
and
0%-0.3% shared DNA with people that declared to be Jewish.

Its the above mentioned French and Dutch Jew and 5.3cM with an US-American Jew.

Rochefaton
07-08-2011, 02:36 AM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.

Really? Here is a pic of mine:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk159/R1bman/AlabamaManJewJitsu.jpg

As you can see, I may be 0.1% Jewish, but the British relative of mine that I share the possible Jewish segment with has two Jewish grandparents and two non-Jewish grandparents. I would be willing to bet a lot that we don't share that segment through the Jewish side of their family.

Trog
07-08-2011, 02:41 AM
Am no getting this at all, seems I'm shyte at this 23 and me stuff. I got the correct results when I included the colonials and it's 0-0.2% and it's a couple of Yanks.

Grumpy Cat
07-08-2011, 02:48 AM
I can't get the pie chart thing working.

This is my data as of latest.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12111&stc=1&d=1310093281

Pallantides
07-08-2011, 06:15 PM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.


Sure, 1+, 5cm(including Colonials):
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/juice.png
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish - 0.0% - 0.6%


At 4gp, 5cm I get 0.0% - 0.2%(but without colonials It's zero)

All of my AF relatives who have some Jewish segments are Americans, no 'Old Worlders'.

Loki
07-08-2011, 08:39 PM
Mine is similar to Pallantides. At 4 grandparents no Ashkenazi shows up. But with 1 grandparent and colonials ticked, it says 0.0% - 0.6%.

Electronic God-Man
07-08-2011, 09:16 PM
EGM - 5cm, 4 grandparents, no colonials

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12127&d=1310158833

I wouldn't be surprised if the UK hits were actually also mostly through Irish ancestry. I think I'm mostly getting the Irish and Lithuanian scores, rather than say English or German, because those were fairly recent immigrants whereas my English ancestors came in the 1600's and most of the Germans in the 1700's. At any rate, I am surprised to see Russia and Ukraine come up but not Poland. I almost certainly have Polish ancestry due to one of my Lithuanian ancestors' surnames being a Lithuanianized Polish name and I have a few Polaks in the Relative Finder.




EGM - 5cm, 4 gps, with colonials

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12128&d=1310158833

Grandma - 5cm, 4 gps, no colonials

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12129&d=1310158833

Everything seems expected there except the French. She's been getting a number of French hits in Relative Finder as well. I'm thinking something like the Wild Geese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Wild_Geese) might explain it. Come to think of it, the Swedish seems odd too.


Grandma - 5cm, 4 gps, with colonials
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12130&d=1310158833

Osweo
07-08-2011, 09:25 PM
Minimum 5cM of continuous piece of shared DNA. All 4 Grandparents from 1 country:

United Kingdom 1.5% :smilie_flagge3:
Ireland 0.8% :drink3:
Italy 0.3% :sherlock:
Netherlands 0.2% :smilie_flagge8:
Poland 0.1% :suomut:
Mexico 0.1% :eek:
Germany 0.1% :irminsul:
Finland 0.1%
Austria 0.1%
Sweden 0.0% :smilie_flagge12:

With Colonials;

United States 22.9% :usa2:
United Kingdom 1.5%
Canada 1.0% :elk00000::smilie_flagge17:
Ireland 0.8%
Australia 0.6% :taz:
New Zealand 0.3% :sheep1:
Italy 0.3%
Netherlands 0.2%
Poland 0.1%
Mexico 0.1% :costumed-smiley-007:desert:

Osweo
07-08-2011, 09:44 PM
Forgot my Heebs;
OLD WORLD:
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
3.2%–3.2%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.0%–0.0%

Las Indias:
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish
27.9%–28.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish
0.0%–0.1%

Oi veh.

Mordid
07-08-2011, 09:50 PM
Funny is that I can see Ashkenazi Jewish from you, Os.

Osweo
07-08-2011, 09:53 PM
Funny is that I can see Ashkenazi Jewish from you, Os.

Hmm, probably less so in real life than on photos. Ask Allenson and Loki, who've seen me in the flesh. :p

Frederick
07-08-2011, 10:04 PM
Sharing DNA strings with Jews doesnt automatically mean, these strings are of Jewish origin.

Its the same for all the other shared strings. Nobody knows if the, say Dutch guy, shares a string with you, because he has British anchestors or if you have Dutch ones.

Graham
07-08-2011, 10:10 PM
What about peoples' undeclared "Ashkenazi Jewish" segments. Mines says 4.7%. Go on, who's brave enough for this.

There you go. It's ok

1 Grandparent
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 53.7%-53.9%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%–0.3%

4 Grandparents
Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 25.7%

Pallantides
07-14-2011, 07:44 PM
1+(grandparents from the same country), 5cm, including matches from US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa


https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/us.pngUnited States 16.2%–32.5%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/no.pngNorway 4.0%–10.5%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/se.pngSweden 0.7%–2.8%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/fi.pngFinland 0.4%–1.1%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/ca.pngCanada 0.3%–2.5%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/gb.pngUnited Kingdom 0.3%–1.7%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/nl.pngNetherlands 0.3%–0.5%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/de.pngGermany 0.2%–2.5%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/dk.pngDenmark 0.2%–0.9%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/bg.pngBulgaria 0.2%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/ie.pngIreland 0.1%–2.2%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/it.pngItaly 0.1%–1.1%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/ru.pngRussia 0.1%–0.4%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/ch.pngSwitzerland 0.1%
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/7322/img/icons/country_flags/au.pngAustralia 0.1%
Ukraine 0.0%–0.8%
France 0.0%–0.8%
Poland 0.0%–0.6%
Iceland 0.0%–0.5%
Uruguay 0.0%–0.4%
Slovakia 0.0%–0.3%
Czech Republic 0.0%–0.2%
Vanuatu 0.0%–0.1%
Taiwan 0.0%–0.1%
Spain 0.0%–0.1%
Peru 0.0%–0.1%
Panama 0.0%–0.1%
Luxembourg 0.0%–0.1%
Hungary 0.0%–0.1%
Greece 0.0%–0.1%
Estonia 0.0%–0.1%
Cuba 0.0%–0.1%
Colombia 0.0%–0.1%
China 0.0%–0.1%
Belgium 0.0%–0.1%
Belarus 0.0%–0.1%
Serbia 0.0%–0.0%
Nicaragua 0.0%–0.0%
Costa Rica 0.0%–0.0%

Loki
07-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Mine excluding the colonies is still pretty much the same:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1204/clipboard01uk.jpg

Allenson
07-14-2011, 08:42 PM
Hmm, probably less so in real life than on photos. Ask Allenson and Loki, who've seen me in the flesh. :p

Os no heeb. :coffee: ;)



As for the Ashkenazi question, here goes--

One grandparent, 5cM:

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 12.1%–12.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%-0.0%

Four grandparents, 5cM:

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 3.8%

Osweo
07-14-2011, 09:44 PM
Os no heeb. :coffee: ;)

Thanks for not blowing my cover, Dude. ;)



As for the Ashkenazi question, here goes--

One grandparent, 5cM:

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 12.1%–12.1%
Declared Ashkenazi Jewish 0.0%-0.0%

Four grandparents, 5cM:

Not declared Ashkenazi Jewish 3.8%
and Mazeltov! :D

rhiannon
07-15-2011, 01:33 AM
Just to make clear - what I did, was downloaded the raw data as a .csv file (which can be saved as Excel). Then I summarized all the country sources of the grandparents in pivot tables. I filtered out all colonial countries such as United States, South Africa, Australia etc - these skew the results and do not reveal much about the original ancestral European origin. When colonials are filtered out in this way things become more clear.

Wish I could try this whole thing out. It sounds really confusing though. It would certainly make it easier if I were so bloody American for so long:(

poiuytrewq0987
08-16-2011, 12:41 AM
The figures are a bit different since the last time I posted in thread and I made a pie graph this time. The figures in the pie graph are in percentages btw.

@4gp and 5cm

Poland: 0.7%
Vardarska: 0.7%
Greece: 0.7%
Romania: 0.5%
Croatia: 0.4%
Italy: 0.3%
Germany: 0.3%
United Kingdom: 0.2%
Ukraine: 0.2%
Russia: 0.2%
Hungary: 0.2%
Turkey: 0.1%
Lithuania: 0.1%
France: 0.1%
Finland: 0.1%
Bulgaria: 0.1%
Denmark: 0.0%

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5802/graph1r.png

Quasimodem
09-10-2011, 09:31 AM
5 cM, 4 gp, no colonials:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2759/afsept10.jpg

Tarja
09-20-2011, 10:16 AM
How accurate do we reckon this is? Can we claim ancestry from these countries after getting our results? I know that it states on Relative Finder that these are the countries our ancestors only "might" have lived in, so is it just a bit of fun or can we really take something from it?

Frederick
09-20-2011, 10:32 AM
How accurate do we reckon this is? Can we claim ancestry from these countries after getting our results? I know that it states on Relative Finder that these are the countries our ancestors only "might" have lived in, so is it just a bit of fun or can we really take something from it?

Your anchestors must not have lived in these countries at all.

You share DNA segments with people from these countries, that have a lengh of 5 cM (centimorgans) minimum.

Whats up with this centimorgans stuff?
Current theory is, if you share large, continious segments of DNA with a person, its less likely that you and this person share the same DNA by random chance but it must be a "recent" (couple hundred years ago) common anchestor involved.

5cM is atm, the "cut off" at 23andMe, where they say: Sharing less than 5cM pieces could just be random chance.

Longer pieces = higher chance that this is something "Real" in at least the last 500 or so years.

Now the answere to the question...

If a German and a Romanian share a 10 cM piece of DNA, what does it mean?

a) The German could have Romanian anchestors
b) The Romanian could have German anchestors
c) Both could have anchestry in a third country.

EDIT:

Meanwhile its possibly to check the part of DNA that you and the other person share in uh something like Gedmatch and look what that part of DNA is claimed to be (Western European, Eastern European, Asian... etc) This can or cannot ... help to decide if this is a) b) or c)

Quasimodem
09-20-2011, 03:56 PM
You share DNA segments with people from these countries, that have a lengh of 5 cM (centimorgans) minimum.

Whats up with this centimorgans stuff?
Current theory is, if you share large, continious segments of DNA with a person, its less likely that you and this person share the same DNA by random chance but it must be a "recent" (couple hundred years ago) common anchestor involved.

5cM is atm, the "cut off" at 23andMe, where they say: Sharing less than 5cM pieces could just be random chance.

Longer pieces = higher chance that this is something "Real" in at least the last 500 or so years.

One small thing to add...A value for a segment in centimorgans is simply how frequently a segment like that will cross over through the generations. So, two things that will make the value of a segment in cM higher are...

a) A longer string of identical alleles. AND
b) A location in a region that crosses over more frequently. For instance, regions near the ends of chromosomes tend to cross over more frequently, and near the centers less frequently.

So, a centimorgan isn't a unit of length per se, but rather a unit of recombinant frequency.

Therefore, if you share a segment with someone and the cM value is large, it's likely your common ancestor is more recent.

Scrapple
09-21-2011, 06:26 PM
One small thing to add...A value for a segment in centimorgans is simply how frequently a segment like that will cross over through the generations. So, two things that will make the value of a segment in cM higher are...

a) A longer string of identical alleles. AND
b) A location in a region that crosses over more frequently. For instance, regions near the ends of chromosomes tend to cross over more frequently, and near the centers less frequently.

So, a centimorgan isn't a unit of length per se, but rather a unit of recombinant frequency.

Therefore, if you share a segment with someone and the cM value is large, it's likely your common ancestor is more recent.

This is particularly important when looking at your Ancestry Finder matches who don't show up in Relative Finder as they may just be pseudo-matches. Relative Finder is matches are likely correct.

Frederick
09-22-2011, 11:00 AM
This is particularly important when looking at your Ancestry Finder matches who don't show up in Relative Finder as they may just be pseudo-matches. Relative Finder is matches are likely correct.

The main problem with relative finder matches is however, that they are usualy anonym and dont tell shit where they are from.

And ignore you if you ask them.

And if they show reaction, then they are US-Americans who have anchestry from all over Europe.

Tarja
09-22-2011, 11:11 AM
So the matches from Ancestry Finder that we can't find in Relative Finder shouldn't have much attention paid to them? I noticed recently a couple of individuals that I was interested in finding out more about, but couldn't get in Relative Finder.

I agree that Americans aren't too helpful in figuring out anything about my own ancestry, it's obvious that I'll be related to them through their British relatives. I'm still happy to find out about them, though. :)

mdou3
09-22-2011, 03:30 PM
4 grandparents at 5cm

0.4%
Italy
0.4%
Ireland
0.4%
Romania
0.3%
Lithuania
0.3%
Finland
0.3%
United Kingdom
0.2%
Netherlands
0.2%
Ukraine
0.1%
Switzerland
0.1%
Poland
0.1%
Norway
0.1%
India
0.1%
Germany
0.1%
Denmark

I don't have a great understanding of this feature. It confuses me as to which numbers are relevant at which settings.

research_centre
09-22-2011, 03:38 PM
Where is this Ancestry Finder located online?

mdou3
09-22-2011, 03:39 PM
www.23andme.com in the ancestry labs section of your results.

Scrapple
09-22-2011, 03:43 PM
So the matches from Ancestry Finder that we can't find in Relative Finder shouldn't have much attention paid to them? I noticed recently a couple of individuals that I was interested in finding out more about, but couldn't get in Relative Finder.

I agree that Americans aren't too helpful in figuring out anything about my own ancestry, it's obvious that I'll be related to them through their British relatives. I'm still happy to find out about them, though. :)

There is no harm in contacting them, you might get lucky. I was able to get a surname match with my ancestor that came over from Finland in 1638 with a Finnish match in Ancestry Finder. It was 5.5cM but 1027 SNP's.

Wuotan
10-25-2011, 08:45 PM
Used 4 grand-parents in the setting and bumped it up to 8 cms to narrow down the results more specificially

1) UK
2) Netherlands
3) France

If I bump it up to 10cms only the UK remains

Scrapple
10-25-2011, 08:51 PM
Used 4 grand-parents in the setting and bumped it up to 8 cms to narrow down the results more specificially

1) UK
2) Netherlands
3) France

If I bump it up to 10cms only the UK remains

I get Irish at that setting.

xor eax, eax
11-01-2011, 03:01 AM
I don't understand why everyone is looking at such small segments. Here's what 23andme says about them:


When segments get down towards 5 centiMorgans, there's a chance that it's not actually recent shared ancestry that causes your DNA to match the other person, but something else, such as natural selection. Take the ancestry of these shortish segments with a grain of salt.

Am I missing something? Around 5cM I get some results that I'm quite confident are chance, such as Columbia. I prefer to stick to the increased accuracy afforded by longer segments.

7.5cM:
http://i.imgur.com/IqCSG.png

10cM:
http://i.imgur.com/3I1a5.png

Ashkenazi at 7.5cM
http://i.imgur.com/bXMrL.png

The Italian, German, and Slovakian results align with familial anecdotes. The rest I'm unsure of.

Also, 23andme has a massive Ashkenazi population. I know a girl whose father was a "pure" Ashkenazi and over 20% of her genome was declared. Her account is now deactivated as she was tested after 23andme switched to the new pricing model and she failed to pay for her subscription, but maybe I could offer to reactivate it in exchange for access.

Quasimodem
11-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Finland has taken over the #2 spot.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1715/afnov13.jpg

Tarja
11-28-2011, 04:50 AM
Mine have changed a bit recently, at 5cM with 1 Grandparent;

United Kingdom : 1.3% - 6.3%
Ireland : 0.4% - 2.8%
Sweden : 0.2% - 0.8%
Germany : 0.2% - 0.4%
Norway : 0.2% - 0.3%
Netherlands : 0.1% - 0.2%
Switzerland : 0.1%

The Netherlands and Switzerland weren't so high up before.

And at 5cM with 4 Grandparents;

United Kingdom : 1.3%
Ireland : 0.4%
Sweden : 0.2%
Germany : 0.2%

These percentages have went up a bit, too.

jerney
11-28-2011, 09:09 AM
I have a surprising amount of Irish relatives :mmmm:

Graham
11-28-2011, 03:10 PM
Default setting
(6.1%) United States
(1.6%) United Kingdom
(0.6%) Canada
(0.3%) Australia
(0.2%) Ireland
(0.1%) Norway
(0.1%) New Zealand

4gp/5cm
(23.6%) United States
(2.8%) United Kingdom
(1.5%) Canada
(0.6%) Australia
(0.5%) Ireland
(0.4%) Norway
(0.4%) Netherlands
(0.3%) Sweden
(0.2%) South Africa
(0.2%) Germany
(0.2%) Finland
(0.2%) Denmark
(0.1%) Russia
(0.1%) New Zealand
(0.1%) Lithuania
(0.1%) Italy
(0.1%) France
(0.1%) Croatia

Sweden and Ireland have pushed up the table since I last posted.

Piparskeggr
02-05-2012, 11:50 PM
From my understanding of the 23andMe data...

Russia - 2.2%
Ukraine - 1.8%
Poland - 0.8%
Germany - 0.7%
Lithuania - 0.5%
Romania - 0.3%
Italy - 0.2%
Ireland - 0.2%
France - 0.2%
Belarus - 0.2%
Latvia - 0.1%
Czech Republic - 0.1%
Brazil - 0.1%
Austria - 0.1%
United Kingdom - 0.0%