Krajina Serb (from Banija) results

[Pribislav]

He is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvor,_Croatia
His haplogroup is I2-PH908.

Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15

Eurogenes K15
Baltic 20
Atlantic 19.2
North_Sea 16.4
Eastern_Euro 13.54
East_Med 10.99
West_Med 10.68
West_Asian 4.9
Red_Sea 3.5
Siberian 0.79

Dodecad K7b Admixture Propartions
Atlantic_Baltic 64.31
Southern 20.87
West_Asian 14.87
Siberian 0.51

If somebody can made Single Population Sharing, thanks in advance.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

do you have his kit number ?

[Pribislav]

do you have his kit number ?

No, he sented to me these results in pm on one Serbian forum. I have also Dodecad V3.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No, he sented to me these results in pm on one Serbian forum. I have also Dodecad V3.

You can ask him for Oracles but he looks to be pretty close to Croatian results I would say.

[Pribislav]

Dodecad V3 (dv3)

population
West_European 36.66
Mediteranean 25.75
East_European 23.7
West_Asian 10.37
Southwest_Asian 3.13
Southeast_Asian 0.28
Northwest_African 0.06

[Dušan]

Do you have his Eurogenes K15 result?

[Pribislav]

Do you have his Eurogenes K15 result?

I will ask him for Eurogenes K15.

[Pribislav]

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[CommonSense]

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[Pribislav]

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[CommonSense]

He is fully Serb from Dvor na Uni. He is similar as Ford as Tschaikisten.

He puted his results (except K15) on Poreklo https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=603.msg108730#msg108730

I am in contact with him long time, not on Poreklo but on other Serbian forum.

Ford and Tschaikisten didn't get such strange results on k15...though looking what he scored on the other calculators, I guess this one isn't really suited to him because it gives him some bizarre values.

[Pribislav]

Ford and Tschaikisten didn't get such strange results on k15...though looking what he scored on the other calculators, I guess this one isn't really suited to him because it gives him some bizarre values.

I'm waiting Leto to made Single Population Sharing (K13, Dodecad).

He got 2% Scandinavia in some calculator (not sure which one).

[Ayetooey]

k36 would be interesting to see.

[Pribislav]

He did Ftdna autosmal test.

Can anyone here made Single Population Sharing according to these results? https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=603.msg108730#msg108730

[Ayetooey]

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[Pribislav]

Those are some old ass results probably on an old ass chip maybe that's why he plots weird.

I will se with him for K15. His K15 look weird, as map show. It seems that his picture with results is not so clear.

[Ayetooey]

I will se with him for K15. His K15 look weird, as map show. It seems that his picture with results is not so clear.

Ignore that post from me, I was looking at the post in that thread from 2014 and thought that was his results, I thought maybe his downloaded raw data had outdated chip.

If you can get k36 results someone can do a similarity map.

[Pribislav]

I would if I could but his results don't seem odd at all for a Serb except for the k15 plot.

Other results except K15 are accurate and he puted them on Poreklo because of that. He also doubt that something is wrong with K15.

[Pribislav]

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[Dick]

He is close to me


https://i.imgur.com/mv4gqLv.png

[Pribislav]

He is close to me


https://i.imgur.com/mv4gqLv.png

Make sense. He is close to you and in other calculators.

[Pribislav]

K15 which is in my first post is accuarate. I must to say this for the people who read this, to not be confued with some posts.

[Leto]

I'm waiting Leto to made Single Population Sharing (K13, Dodecad).

Hm, not sure how I could do it. He just needs to post the oracles.

[Kaspias]

Eurogenes K13

1. Croatian 5.173751
2. Hungarian 5.84566
3. Moldavian 6.057260
4. Serbian 7.296862
5. Austrian 10.360145
6. East_German 11.030091
7. Romanian 12.047232
8. South_Polish 12.264196
9. Ukrainian_Lviv 12.27532
10. Ukrainian 13.37123
11. Bulgarian 14.73466
12. Polish 16.39723
13. Southwest_Russian 17.57168
14. Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16413
15. West_German 18.62859
16. Russian_Smolensk 19.14135
17. Belorussian 20.03064
18. South_Dutch 20.13621
19. Southwest_Finnish 21.36385
20. French 21.61905

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

:D

Croat!

[Pribislav]

:D

Croat!

:picard1:

I have seen Serbs who got on the first place Moldavian, Hungarian and Romanian. Are they Moldavians, Hungarians and Romanians? I don't think so...

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

:picard1:

I have seen Serbs who got on the first place Moldavian, Hungarian and Romanian. Are they Moldavians, Hungarians and Romanians? I don't think so...

Never seen Serb that gets Hungarian on K15 on first place. Care to show me such example ?

[Pribislav]

Never seen Serb that gets Hungarian on K15 on first place. Care to show me such example ?

Liudewitus from from forum.hr claim that one Serb got Hungarians on the rirst place, ask him.
I know Serb who got Hungarians on the second place.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Liudewitus from from forum.hr claim that one Serb got Hungarians on the rirst place, ask him.
I know Serb who got Hungarians on the second place.

This guy is Serb obviously, but he isn't genetically different at all than Croats living next to him most likely. That was what I wanted to say.

[CommonSense]

He's not far off from some of my matches that I plotted on the PCA here:

https://i.imgur.com/1qi57OR.png

Though oracles often tell a slightly different story and I haven't checked that for most of them, since I just usually copy-pasted the base admixture values into the PCA calculator.

[Pribislav]

This guy is Serb obviously, but he isn't genetically different at all than Croats living next to him most likely. That was what I wanted to say.

Yes, he is fully Serb.
Banija was part of Military Frontier and church books and books of born/married there are available for the last over 300 years. He would be know if he had some non-Serbian ancestor.

[Mingle]

Eurogenes K13

1. Croatian 5.173751
2. Hungarian 5.84566
3. Moldavian 6.057260
4. Serbian 7.296862
5. Austrian 10.360145
6. East_German 11.030091
7. Romanian 12.047232
8. South_Polish 12.264196
9. Ukrainian_Lviv 12.27532
10. Ukrainian 13.37123
11. Bulgarian 14.73466
12. Polish 16.39723
13. Southwest_Russian 17.57168
14. Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16413
15. West_German 18.62859
16. Russian_Smolensk 19.14135
17. Belorussian 20.03064
18. South_Dutch 20.13621
19. Southwest_Finnish 21.36385
20. French 21.61905

How were you able to do that? Can you do that for any Eurogenes calculator?

[Kaspias]

How were you able to do that? Can you do that for any Eurogenes calculator?

I can do if calculator have spreadsheet, so i need spreadsheet. I just run admix4.

[Mingle]

I can do if calculator have spreadsheet, so i need spreadsheet. I just run admix4.

Can you find the oracle for this person? (This is their K15 not K13)

These are their Eurogenes K15 coordinates: 20.73,14.38,15.22,11.16,17.76,5.49,12.95,1.5,0,0,0 ,0.2,0.61,0,0

Their regular Eurogenes K15 admix results:

North_Sea - 20.73
Atlantic - 14.38
Baltic - 15.22
Eastern_Euro - 11.16
West_Med - 17.76
West_Asian 5.49
East_Med 12.95
Red_Sea - 1.5
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.2
Oceanian - 0.61
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Kaspias]

Can you find the oracle for this person? (This is their K15 not K13)

These are their Eurogenes K15 coordinates: 20.73,14.38,15.22,11.16,17.76,5.49,12.95,1.5,0,0,0 ,0.2,0.61,0,0

Their regular Eurogenes K15 admix results:

North_Sea - 20.73
Atlantic - 14.38
Baltic - 15.22
Eastern_Euro - 11.16
West_Med - 17.76
West_Asian 5.49
East_Med 12.95
Red_Sea - 1.5
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.2
Oceanian - 0.61
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Yeah i could do but unfortunately i couldn't manage to get Eurogenes K15 spreadsheet from Gedmatch, my excel doesn't work anymore and i should download it again. I'm going to ask Lemgrant to if he has spreadsheet.

[Dick]

Liudewitus from from forum.hr claim that one Serb got Hungarians on the rirst place, ask him.
I know Serb who got Hungarians on the second place.

I do. anyway distances are far. i get closer distances with other calculators.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 9.05
2 Hungarian 9.21
3 Croatian 9.48
4 Moldavian 9.76
5 Romanian 9.89
6 Austrian 10.51
7 Bulgarian 11.55
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.88
9 South_Polish 13.42
10 Ukrainian 14.01
11 East_German 14.37
12 Polish 15.6
13 Russian_Smolensk 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.57
15 Southwest_Russian 16.81
16 Belorussian 17.47
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.62
18 Estonian_Polish 18.18
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.54
20 Greek 18.79

[Pribislav]

I do. anyway distances are far. i get closer distances with other calculators.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 9.05
2 Hungarian 9.21
3 Croatian 9.48
4 Moldavian 9.76
5 Romanian 9.89
6 Austrian 10.51
7 Bulgarian 11.55
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.88
9 South_Polish 13.42
10 Ukrainian 14.01
11 East_German 14.37
12 Polish 15.6
13 Russian_Smolensk 16
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.57
15 Southwest_Russian 16.81
16 Belorussian 17.47
17 Greek_Thessaly 17.62
18 Estonian_Polish 18.18
19 Southwest_Finnish 18.54
20 Greek 18.79

Here is Vojvodinian Serb (I2-PH908) which 2 Hungarian.

https://i.postimg.cc/dtYpqW7S/Screenshoot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-6.png

[CommonSense]

Here is Vojvodinian Serb (I2-PH908) which 2 Hungarian.

https://i.postimg.cc/dtYpqW7S/Screenshoot-2018-6-11-https-www-gedmatch-com-6.png

His mixed mode oracle is similar to Stears' xD

[Pribislav]

His mixed mode oracle is similar to Stears' xD

Stears is a Serb! :)

[Pribislav]

Some matches of this Krajina (Banija) Serb.

Mr. Roy
Starbanow

02/09/2019
4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
46
12

Busse (Lindau, Zerbst, Germany) Deliyski (Aprilzi, Bulgaria) Dreßler (Ebersbach, Saxonia, Germany) Engelstaetter Friedels (Jöhnstadt, Saxonia, Germany) Gähler (Annaberg-Bochholz, Saxonia, Germany) Gärtner (Alt-Eibau, Saxonia, Germany) Göbel (Oberwiesenthal, Saxonia, Germany) Gocht (Ebersbach, Saxonia, Germany) Graupner (Jöhnstadt, Saxonia, Germany) Heinrich (Germany) Krüger (Saxony-Anhalt, Germany) Löffel (Unterwiesenthal, Saxonia, Germany) Müllerin (Unterbleuenthal, Germany) Plate (Rohrsheim, Kreis Aue-Fallstein, Germany) Pollmer (Frohnau, Saxonia, Germany), Sawowa (Aprilzi, Bulgaria), Schleßiger Schluttig (Jöhnstadt, Saxonia, Germany), Schönherr (Germany), Schumman (Scheibenberg, Saxonia, Germany) Stsrban (Bulgaria) Starbanow (Aprilzi, Bulgaria) Varchev (Aprilzi, Bulgaria) Varchevo (Sevlievo, Bulgaria) Webber (Crottendorf, Germany), Weinhold (Jöhnstadt, Saxonia, Germany) Zluticky (Bohemia) Zumpe (Oberfriedersdorf, Germany) Ramin (Germany) Wünsche (Ebersbach, Saxonia, Germany) Bakardijev (Bulgaria) Schlottig (Germany) Mateev (Aprilzi, Bulgaria) Marangozov (Aprilzi, Bulgaria) Brüggermann (Schermcke, Germany) Deicke (Gunthersdorf, Germany) Steinrück (Oschersleben) Fincke (Etgersleben, Germany) Müller (Germany) Helmreich (Gunthersdorf, Germany) Görner (Saxonia, Germany) Erittena (Praha, Bohemia) Bruns (Dingelstedt, Germany) Jordan (Oschersleben, Germany) Matthies (Rohrsheim, Germany) Helfach (Günthersdorf, Germany) Siebert (Germany) Mensing (Oschersleben, Germany) Krause (Oschersleben, Germany) Steffens (Alleringersleben, Germany) Marangozchiyat (Starbanow) Meteev Mateev (Starbana) Schlesinger Schleßiger (auch Schlesinger, Schloessiger oder Schloessinger) Schönher Schultz

Rafal
Laszkiewicz

02/09/2019
4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
46
11

Cichocki /Cichocka Falenski / Falensky Gorny /Gorna Graumann Jadraszek (Poland) Kujawa (Poland) Kunze (Poland / Germany) Koraszynski / Koraszynska Luczka Laszkiewicz (Poland) Mackowiak Olszewski / Olszewska (Poland) Pieprzyk (Poland) Poskorowska Paul (Poland) Paul (Pohl) (Poland) Wiecek Wiktorski / Wiktorska (Poland) Wisniewski / Wisnieeska (Pooand)

Eva
Torbova

02/09/2019
5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
46
8


Rene J
Switzer

02/09/2019
4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
45
10

[Pribislav]

Here is one more calculator for this Krajina Serb. I'm not sure which calculator is this, does somebody know?

North European 32.13
West Europe 24.72
Mediterranean 20.32
Caucasus 14.49
Finnish 4.2
Southwest Asian 4.1
East Asian 0.1
West Central Asian 0.03

[Leto]

Here is one more calculator for this Krajina Serb. I'm not sure which calculator is this, does somebody know?

North European 32.13
West Europe 24.72
Mediterranean 20.32
Caucasus 14.49
Finnish 4.2
Southwest Asian 4.1
East Asian 0.1
West Central Asian 0.03
Eurogenes K12b

[Pribislav]

Eurogenes K12b

I see.
Some components are same as in Dodecad K12b, and some are different.

[Pribislav]

K36

East_Central_Euro 14.88
Central_Euro 14.69
Italian 10.27
Eastern_Euro 9.09
Fennoscandian 9.04
North_Atlantic 8.71
Iberian 7.22
East_Balkan 7.14
North_Sea 6.06
West_Med 4.59
French 4.09
North_Caucasian 3.2
West_Caucasian 1.02


Could somebody made K36 map?

[CommonSense]

K36

East_Central_Euro 14.88
Central_Euro 14.69
Italian 10.27
Eastern_Euro 9.09
Fennoscandian 9.04
North_Atlantic 8.71
Iberian 7.22
East_Balkan 7.14
North_Sea 6.06
West_Med 4.59
French 4.09
North_Caucasian 3.2
West_Caucasian 1.02


Could somebody made K36 map?

https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png

Thanks!

[Pribislav]

He is quite Slavic and Central Euro oriented.

Krajina Serbs are most Slavic shifted Serbs.

[Bosniensis]

He is quite Slavic and Central Euro oriented.

Krajina Serbs are most Slavic shifted Serbs.

All Serbs are predominantly Slavic except those living next to Romania, Buglaria, Greece etc..

[Pribislav]

All Serbs are predominantly Slavic except those living next to Romania, Buglaria, Greece etc..

This Serb planing to test his father. He think that his father will be more northern ploting than him.

[Bosniensis]

This Serb planing to test his father. He think that his father will be more northern ploting than him.

Could be, if his father banged southern women.

[Pribislav]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

[Bosniensis]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

Is there any Romance speakers in Bosnia, like tribes on mountain ranges etc?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ancestors of this Serb arrived to Banija from northwestern Bosnia in late 17th century, and to northwestern Bosnia came from Herzegovina earlier.

He ploting more northern than any Herzegovinian Serb from what I know. How to explain this? Maybe Max Soldo or some other Yugo user have some idea...

Maybe he has local admixture in Croatia with Panonnians. But can't say for sure unless we see Banovina Croat results.

[Pribislav]

Is there any Romance speakers in Bosnia, like tribes on mountain ranges etc?

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

[Bosniensis]

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

I have always wandered what happened to pre-slavic people of Western Balkans. It looks like Slavs murdered all.

[Max Soldo]

Most of native Romance speakers of Bosnia were pushed to Dalmatian coast and some islands by Avars in early middle age. They were speakers of Dalmatian language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalmatian_language

In the late middle age some Vlach groups from east arrived to Bosnia as sheperds (Istro-Romanians and probably some Aromanians).
There is mountain Cincar in Bosnia near Livno. Cincar means Aromanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincar
After destruction of Moscopole by Albanians and Turks in 18th century some Aromanians came to Bosnia. They were not numerous, only 2-3 villages.

Vucic descends from these as the village of Cipuljici in Bugojno was a Cincar (Aroumanian) colony. Many of them were kalajdzije. I'd love to see him tested and then have it compared with the Cincari results that we already have from Albania, Greece and Northern Macedonia.

As for Vlach toponyms in mountains you have:

Cincar (Aroumanian) 2006m
Vlasic (Vlach Mountain) 1933m
Romanija 1652m

All three of these are associated with Nomadic Pastoralism historically.

[Pribislav]

I have always wandered what happened to pre-slavic people of Western Balkans. It looks like Slavs murdered all.

Some were probably survived Avars in Dinaric Alps and latet were abssorbed by Slavs.

Majority escaped to Dalmatian coast and islands because of Avars. Their language survived in the coast mostly to the late middle age. In island Krk last speaker of Dalmatian language Tuone Udaina died in 1898 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuone_Udaina
Coastal/islander speakers of Dalmatian language were partly slavized and partly assimilatted by Venetians (later became Italians).

Dalmatian language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYJSk12qgZM&t=1s

[Bosniensis]

Some were probably survived Avars in Dinaric Alps and latet were abssorbed by Slavs.

Majority escaped to Dalmatian coast and islands because of Avars. Their language survived in the coast mostly to the late middle age. In island Krk last speaker of Dalmatian language Tuone Udaina died in 1898 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuone_Udaina
Coastal/islander speakers of Dalmatian language were partly slavized and partly assimilatted by Venetians (later became Italians).

Dalmatian language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYJSk12qgZM&t=1s

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

[Pribislav]

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

I don't give a fuck for Albanian propaganda.
Albanians in the middle age were small ethnic group which mostly lived in Mati region in central Albania. They were highlander sheperds living in katuns, in the same time Serbs had organized state with kings and pretty high culture.
In Albanians language there are many weird non-European alike words (for example Zemra - Heart, and Bora - Snow), but this is long story and off topic.
Before Ottomans there was no Albanians in Kosovo. Look at Ottoman census of Kosovo 1455 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo#1455

[Dušan]

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?

We have both Slavic and paleo-Balkan genetics.
Paleo-Balkan genetic among Serbs ranges between 20%-55%, depending of individuals (based on FTDNA autosomal results).

For example, how can 63% of me go back to Ukraine, and 36% stay at Balkans?

[Max Soldo]

Do you guys know which tribes from Hercegovina/CG are represented among Serbs from Bosanska Krajina and Croatia? Drobnjaci seem to dominate...I know that the surname Drobnjak is even found in Banija. What about the Banjani? Which others?

[Leto]

How does that affect South Slavic moral agenda? For example I've seen Albanians insulting Slavs are "people without their own home" i.e conquerors etc..
Would you rather live in your pra-ancient territory (Belarus, Ukraine) than on conquered territory you took from those Paleo-Balkan people? Do Serbs even remotely
care about that? Like.. does it feel bad living in paleo-balkan cities like Singidunum that you renamed to Belgrade knowing it wasn't your city before your conquered it?
Dude, I know you're a new member, etc. but that's pure bullshit. South Slavs formed as a distinct entity in Southeastern Europe. That happened around 1,500 years ago, how can you imply they're "foreign"? If we go by this logic, Romanians are just as foreign, since they also have a lot of Slavic blood and even their language originated in the Italian peninsula and was brought there by the Roman conquerors. Ridiculous.

[Bosniensis]

Dude, I know you're a new member, etc. but that's pure bullshit. South Slavs formed as a distinct entity in Southeastern Europe. That happened around 1,500 years ago, how can you imply they're "foreign"? If we go by this logic, Romanians are just as foreign, since they also have a lot of Slavic blood and even their language originated in the Italian peninsula and was brought there by the Roman conquerors. Ridiculous.

Well they are fighting with that agenda with Albanians which is why I am asking if that thing has sparked outrage among Serbian populace. I don't consider Serbs foreign on Balkans by any means. That was long ago
as you say, but still can be used by some to discredit Serbs (i.e. Albanians).

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

We have both Slavic and paleo-Balkan genetics.
Paleo-Balkan genetic among Serbs ranges between 20%-55%, depending of individuals (based on FTDNA autosomal results).

For example, how can 63% of me go back to Ukraine, and 36% stay at Balkans?

Commercial companies are unreliable, you need ancient samples to accurately measure such stuff. Look in my sig, 90% Eastern European.
It's less Slavic blood than that for sure. Bronze Age Dalmatian sample was around 40% and more in modern Croats when compared with Belarusian as proxy for Slavic input, in Serbs it would be above 50%-60% range.

It's probable that most South Slavs are more native than Slavic, and those who are more Slavic are just by a little bit.
Paleo-Balkanites in western Balkans already had some northern admixture, they weren't Cypriots.

[Pribislav]

Do you guys know which tribes from Hercegovina/CG are represented among Serbs from Bosanska Krajina and Croatia? Drobnjaci seem to dominate...I know that the surname Drobnjak is even found in Banija. What about the Banjani? Which others?

Banjani are most numerous in Lika.
9 Serbian surnames from Lika are N-P189.2 and they originated from Banjani. One of them is surname Banjanin.

Drobnjaci are most numerous among Serbs from Dalmatia.

Banija and Kordun Serbs except connection with Eastern and Old Herzegovina have connection with Central Bosnia. I heard that on Poreklo.

[Bosniensis]

Banjani are most numerous in Lika.
9 Serbian surnames from Lika are N-P189.2 and they originated from Banjani. One of them is surname Banjanin.

Drobnjaci are most numerous among Serbs from Dalmatia.

Banija and Kordun Serbs except connection with Eastern and Old Herzegovina have connection with Central Bosnia. I heard that on Poreklo.

Interesting

Vlachs in Herzegovina were surnamed Pliščić, Gleđević, Ugarac, Boban, Mirilović, Vragović, Kresojević, Nenković, Bančić, Pilatovac, Pocrnja, Drobnjak and Riđani.
So those people are Vlachs like Romanians, or is it something else?

What Y-DNA Drobnjaks have?

[Pribislav]

....

[Pribislav]

Interesting

Vlachs in Herzegovina were surnamed Pliščić, Gleđević, Ugarac, Boban, Mirilović, Vragović, Kresojević, Nenković, Bančić, Pilatovac, Pocrnja, Drobnjak and Riđani.
So those people are Vlachs like Romanians, or is it something else?

What Y-DNA Drobnjaks have?

Drobnjaks are I1-P109.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

There's a distinctive South Slavic genetic cluster ranging from Slovenes (who are our link with most southern North Slavs : Czechs and Slovaks) to North Macedonians and Bulgarians.
North Slavs have their own cluster from Czech to Russian which is very wide.

It was well displayed on East and Central European PCA I was making other day. South Slavs are mestizos in a way, close to half northern half southern on average.
North Slavs while mixed as well are still closer to original Slavic tribes.

No reason to lump us all togheder because we're pretty different people but related ofcourse.

[Bosniensis]

Drobnjaks are I1-P109.

What about others:

Pliščić, Gleđević, Ugarac, Boban, Mirilović, Vragović, Kresojević, Nenković, Bančić, Pilatovac, Pocrnja

are they common in Herzegovina?

[Pribislav]

What about others:

Pliščić, Gleđević, Ugarac, Boban, Mirilović, Vragović, Kresojević, Nenković, Bančić, Pilatovac, Pocrnja

are they common in Herzegovina?

Ugarci are R1b-U152, Mirilovići are I2-CTS10228, and for others is not known yet.

[Pribislav]

Ugarci are R1b-U152, Mirilovići are I2-CTS10228, and for others is not known yet.

Family of my patetnal grandmother originated from Ugarci. From Herzegovina they arrived to Glamoč, and later they moved from Glamoč in village near Knin.
First migration was probably in 16th and second in late 17th century.

[Bosniensis]

Family of my patetnal grandmother originated from Ugarci. From Herzegovina they arrived to Glamoč, and later they moved from Glamoč in village near Knin.
First migration was probably in 16th and second in late 17th century.

So you are stinky vlach like myself.

[Pribislav]

So you are stinky vlach like myself.

My distant cousin https://youtu.be/-c2GlqxIygU
He is Ugarak R1b-U152.

[Moje ime]

Dude, I know you're a new member, etc. but that's pure bullshit. South Slavs formed as a distinct entity in Southeastern Europe. That happened around 1,500 years ago, how can you imply they're "foreign"? If we go by this logic, Romanians are just as foreign, since they also have a lot of Slavic blood and even their language originated in the Italian peninsula and was brought there by the Roman conquerors. Ridiculous.


Great answer. I'm just like "no comment" on such stupidities.

By that logic, American should leave America and E and R haplogroups should leave Europe.

We people are all offspring of conquerors and murderers, if we go enough in past.

Now he tries applying "guilt" to South Slavs like it happens 10 years ago, like I conquered Belgrade.

:picard1::picard1::picard1:

How many other "conquerors" were on Balkan before Slavs. Germans, Avars... and what about Heraclius Byzantine Emperior who created diplomatic relation with Serbs and Croats allowing them to settle in Balkan but to accept Christianity in return and they accepted?

[Bosniensis]

Great answer. I'm just like "no comment" on such stupidities.

By that logic, American should leave America and E and R haplogroups should leave Europe.

We people are all offspring of conquerors and murderers, if we go enough in past.

Now he tries applying "guilt" to South Slavs like it happens 10 years ago, like I conquered Belgrade.

:picard1::picard1::picard1:

How many other "conquerors" were on Balkan before Slavs. Germans, Avars... and what about Heraclius Byzantine Emperior who created diplomatic relation with Serbs and Croats allowing them to settle in Balkan but to accept Christianity in return and they accepted?

But they all left my dear! You are still here.

[Moje ime]

But they all left my dear! You are still here.

Good for us. ;) Are you envy?

[Bosniensis]

Good for us. ;) Are you envy?

No, Slavs brought hot women for us mmmmmm

[Moje ime]

No, Slavs brought hot women for us mmmmmm

:clap2:

[Pribislav]

But they all left my dear! You are still here.

This Serb from Banija is geographically close to you Bišćanin, and he is pretty more northern ploting than you. How you explain this?

[Bosniensis]

:clap2:

True story, still ride mine like the first day I met her, can't get enough of her, she has some slavic anger and mischief within her it's uncontrollable, feels great, she can't be exhausted.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

But they all left my dear! You are still here.

So are you. Dacians were invaders to Balkans just like all Indo-European tribes, just earlier invasion than Slavs. Still, invasion is invasion.

[Bosniensis]

So are you. Dacians were invaders to Balkans just like all Indo-European tribes, just earlier invasion than Slavs. Still, invasion is invasion.

Was mine first you came later kthxbye.

[Pribislav]

....

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Was mine first you came later kthxbye.

You were just cucked and nearly exterminated by Romans, that's why you have Slav invader lineage and not Dacian :laugh:
Without Slavic sperm you wouldn't exist dude.

[Pribislav]

Only for Gelerius! :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3KNAq1ShOk

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Bosniensis]

Only for Gelerius! :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3KNAq1ShOk

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-22-2015/_Cbwti.gif

[Bosniensis]

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[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

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[Bosniensis]

How old are you

45

[Jackson78]

Ugarci are R1b-U152, Mirilovići are I2-CTS10228, and for others is not known yet.

Pilatovci were maybe I2-CTS10228, Kresojevići were very likely R1a-YP4278.

[Pribislav]

Pilatovci were maybe I2-CTS10228, Kresojevići were very likely R1a-YP4278.

You don't know for Bobani? I imagine them as I2-PH908, I don't know why.

[Jackson78]

You don't know for Bobani? I imagine them as I2-PH908, I don't know why.

Bobani were from Ljubinje, so maybe.

[Leto]

There's a distinctive South Slavic genetic cluster ranging from Slovenes (who are our link with most southern North Slavs : Czechs and Slovaks) to North Macedonians and Bulgarians.
North Slavs have their own cluster from Czech to Russian which is very wide.

It was well displayed on East and Central European PCA I was making other day. South Slavs are mestizos in a way, close to half northern half southern on average.
North Slavs while mixed as well are still closer to original Slavic tribes.

No reason to lump us all togheder because we're pretty different people but related ofcourse.
I have a question - do Bulgarians have regional differences? Bulgaria is not that small territory-wise and in the past they had like 9 million people. Besides, there are Bulgarians in Moldova and Southern Ukraine.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

I have a question - do Bulgarians have regional differences? Bulgaria is not that small territory-wise and in the past they had like 9 million people. Besides, there are Bulgarians in Moldova and Southern Ukraine.

I would like to know this too.

[Pribislav]

I have a question - do Bulgarians have regional differences? Bulgaria is not that small territory-wise and in the past they had like 9 million people. Besides, there are Bulgarians in Moldova and Southern Ukraine.

There is diversity among Bulgarians for sure. I am not familiar with Bulgarian regional autosomal differences. Only I can say roughly that western Bulgarians tend to be more Slavic shifted than eastern Bulgarians.

[Pribislav]

He is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvor,_Croatia
His haplogroup is I2-PH908.

Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15

Eurogenes K15
Baltic 20
Atlantic 19.2
North_Sea 16.4
Eastern_Euro 13.54
East_Med 10.99
West_Med 10.68
West_Asian 4.9
Red_Sea 3.5
Siberian 0.79

Dodecad K7b Admixture Propartions
Atlantic_Baltic 64.31
Southern 20.87
West_Asian 14.87
Siberian 0.51

He best fit autosomally here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miliči
https://i.imgur.com/wN8VsyS.jpg

[Leto]

There is diversity among Bulgarians for sure. I am not familiar with Bulgarian regional autosomal differences. Only I can say roughly that western Bulgarians tend to be more Slavic shifted than eastern Bulgarians.
But why? Macedonians are super Southern, the least Northern South Slavs genetically.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He best fit autosomally here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miliči
https://i.imgur.com/wN8VsyS.jpg

That's Gorski kotar, interesting.

[Pribislav]

That's Gorski kotar, interesting.

Border between Bela Krajina (Slovenia) and Gorski Kotar to be precize.

[Dušan]

He best fit autosomally here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miliči
https://i.imgur.com/wN8VsyS.jpg

Is that result according to this calculator?
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Border between Bela Krajina (Slovenia) and Gorski Kotar to be precize.

Close to Čabar I think. Which tool did he use, I want to try it.

[Pribislav]

Is that result according to this calculator?
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/Europe.htm

Probably, but I'm not sure.

He sent me a map. I did not ask him on which calculator is based.

[Pribislav]

He fit the best in Miliči in Slovenia.
Miliči (White Carniola) is Serbian village founded and populated by Serbs in 16th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_White_Carniola

Serbs of White Carniola are most northwestern Serbian group. They preserved Serbian language and culture +400 years, from 1534 to Tito's time. In comunist Yugoslavia most of them were slovenized. First mixed marriage in history between White Carniola Serbs and Slovenes happened in 1930s, when local Serb married Slovenian woman. Today only few older people speak still Serbian and declared themselves as Serbs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He fit the best in Miliči in Slovenia.
Miliči (White Carniola) is Serbian village founded and populated by Serbs in 16th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_of_White_Carniola

Serbs of White Carniola are most northwestern Serbian group. They preserved Serbian language and culture +400 years, from 1534 to Tito's time. In comunist Yugoslavia most of them were slovenized. First mixed marriage in history between White Carniola Serbs and Slovenes happened in 1930s, when local Serb married Slovenian woman. Today only few older people speak still Serbian and declared themselves as Serbs.

Lol, you have rich fantasy dude. He just got Croatia on Slovenian border and somehow you connect it to Serbian village in Bela Krajina.
He got this result because he has very un-Serbian genetics, don't kid yourself.

[Pribislav]

Lol, you have rich fantasy dude. He just got Croatia on Slovenian border and somehow you connect it to Serbian village in Bela Krajina.
He got this result because he has very un-Serbian genetics, don't kid yourself.

His result is Serbian.
He ploting to close Dick, Ford, Tschaikisten, one Serb from western Serbia, and one Serb from Bosanska Krajina.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

His result is Serbian.
He ploting to close Dick, Ford, Tschaikisten, one Serb from western Serbia, and one Serb from Bosanska Krajina.

Okay bro. Don't go wild over southern shifted Croats next time, because if they are Serbs (like you like to say) than these guys are Croats.

[Bosniensis]

His result is Serbian.
He ploting to close Dick, Ford, Tschaikisten, one Serb from western Serbia, and one Serb from Bosanska Krajina.

Despite they are closely related to modern Serbs, truth is that modern Serbs are only Orthodox Cultural and Religious community. If you find
a Croat who plot closely to Serbs it means nothing, cause he is Catholic loyal to Zagreb, Tuđman, Pope etc... it's pointless to call him Serb.

[Pribislav]

Despite they are closely related to modern Serbs, truth is that modern Serbs are only Orthodox Cultural and Religious community. If you find
a Croat who plot closely to Serbs it means nothing, cause he is Catholic loyal to Zagreb, Tuđman, Pope etc... it's pointless to call him Serb.

:picard1:

This is idiotic ustashian propaganda. Are you Croatian which pretends to be Romanian?

[Bosniensis]

:picard1:

This is idiotic ustashian propaganda. Are you Croatian which pretends to be Romanian?

(I am not giving my opinion, just observing what other people think and do)

But how can you say that certain Catholics are Serbs when you have a song related to "How Pope hates Serbs"

Clearly, a singer of this song thinks that Catholics can't be Serbs and that Serbs are only Orthodoxes:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSuInXD5M9Y

[Pribislav]

Okay bro. Don't go wild over southern shifted Croats next time, because if they are Serbs (like you like to say) than these guys are Croats.

This Serb carry proto-Serbian haplogroup. I just say.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This Serb carry proto-Serbian haplogroup. I just say.

No proof for that whatsoever, but who the fuck cares.

[Pribislav]

Results on K11, Eurogenes K9b, and K10 of this Krajina Serbs.

K11
South Asian -
Caucasus 12.91
Southwest Asian 1.7
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 17.3
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.5
South Baltic 27.7
North Atlantic 29.89

Eurogenes K9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 7.25
Native_American 0.19
Northeast_Asian 1.41
Mediterranean 25.05
North_European 65.99
Southeast_Asian 0.04
Oceanian 0.07
South_African -
Sub_Saharan_African -

K10
South Asian -
Caucasus 13.61
Southwest Asian 3.01
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean - 18.12
East Asian -
West African -
East_European 33.34
North Atlantic 31.92

[Bosniensis]

Results on K11, Eurogenes K9b, and K10 of this Krajina Serbs.

K11
South Asian -
Caucasus 12.91
Southwest Asian 1.7
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 17.3
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.5
South Baltic 27.7
North Atlantic 29.89

Eurogenes K9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 7.25
Native_American 0.19
Northeast_Asian 1.41
Mediterranean 25.05
North_European 65.99
Southeast_Asian 0.04
Oceanian 0.07
South_African -
Sub_Saharan_African -

K10
South Asian -
Caucasus 13.61
Southwest Asian 3.01
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean - 18.12
East Asian -
West African -
East_European 33.34
North Atlantic 31.92

Are u M. Kesedžija undercover

[Bosniensis]

Results on K11, Eurogenes K9b, and K10 of this Krajina Serbs.

K11
South Asian -
Caucasus 12.91
Southwest Asian 1.7
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 17.3
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.5
South Baltic 27.7
North Atlantic 29.89

Eurogenes K9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 7.25
Native_American 0.19
Northeast_Asian 1.41
Mediterranean 25.05
North_European 65.99
Southeast_Asian 0.04
Oceanian 0.07
South_African -
Sub_Saharan_African -

K10
South Asian -
Caucasus 13.61
Southwest Asian 3.01
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean - 18.12
East Asian -
West African -
East_European 33.34
North Atlantic 31.92

Are u M. Kesedžija undercover

[Pribislav]

Are u M. Kesedžija undercover

No, are you Bosniensis? You have Bosniensis vibe!

[Bosniensis]

No, are you Bosniensis? You have Bosniensis vibe!

You abandoned your pradedovsku religion traitor

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Maybe he has local admixture in Croatia with Panonnians. But can't say for sure unless we see Banovina Croat results.

Update, we got Banovina Croat K15 results results .

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

This dude is from Petrinja

https://i.postimg.cc/DZpwJTgK/Untitled.png

I'll plot both of them on PCA

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

http://oi64.tinypic.com/71gw39.jpg

[CommonSense]

^He is very eastern. I doubt that's the average for Croats of that area.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

^He is very eastern. I doubt that's the average for Croats of that area.

Yeah, pretty different from NW Croats. I presume Slavonians can plot like that, but we need more samples to know.

[Pribislav]

http://oi64.tinypic.com/71gw39.jpg

Weird, he ploting very eastern for Croatian.

Banija Serb is even slightly western of Croatian average.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Weird, he ploting very eastern for Croatian.

Banija Serb is even slightly western of Croatian average.

Yeah, Banija Serb get high Atlantic. This Croat score some Siberian and South Asian which pull him east. Funny, he is plotting close to Stears but more northern than him.

[Pribislav]

Yeah, Banija Serb get high Atlantic. This Croat score some Siberian and South Asian which pull him east. Funny, he is plotting close to Stears but more northern than him.

Maybe Banija Croatian is Hungarian admixed. Hungarians score higher Siberian and South Asian than Yugos, that components are part of genetic from stepe.

[Dick]

Maybe Banija Croatian is Hungarian admixed.

Yeah he could be

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Maybe Banija Croatian is Hungarian admixed. Hungarians score higher Siberian and South Asian than Yugos, that components are part of genetic from stepe.


Yeah he could be

Read what he said: I'm fully Croat with no recent foreign ancestry'' No Hungarians in Petrinja, it's probably something old.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZpwJTgK/Untitled.png

[Pribislav]

Yeah, Banija Serb get high Atlantic. This Croat score some Siberian and South Asian which pull him east. Funny, he is plotting close to Stears but more northern than him.

Do you have K13, K36 and K12 dodecad of Banija Croatian?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Do you have K13, K36 and K12 dodecad of Banija Croatian?

Nope.

[Dušan]

Maybe Banija Croatian is Hungarian admixed. Hungarians score higher Siberian and South Asian than Yugos, that components are part of genetic from stepe.



There were some Hungarians in nearby Sisak, according to 1910. census.


ukupno: 8,530

Hrvatski 6,455 (75.67%)
Mađarski 660 (7.73%)
Srpski 585 (6.85%)
Slovenski 313 (3.66%)
Njemački 297 (3.48%)
Češki 132 (1.54%)
Italijanski 63 (0.73%)
Slovački 12 (0.14%)
Rumunski 1 (0.01%)
Rusinski 1 (0.01%)
ostali 11 (0.12%)

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

There were some Hungarians in nearby Sisak, according to 1910. census.

He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?

I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.

[Dušan]

He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?

I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.

How would you explain eastern-shifted result of that Banija Croat?
I am not saying that he should be similar to Serbs.
He is kajkavian Croat and it is strange that his result is eastern-shifted.

[Pribislav]

He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?

I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.

Banija Croatian ploting eastern as Stears.
Stears is half Szekely.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

How would you explain eastern-shifted result of that Banija Croat?
I am not saying that he should be similar to Serbs.
He is kajkavian Croat and it is strange that his result is eastern-shifted.

He's not only one, there are several others in our PCA plotting like him but from different regions (he overlaps Dalmatian)
https://i.imgur.com/ZM0g2mk.png

Sisak-Moslavina county isn't pure Kajkavian but borderline, I don't consider them same people like somebody from Zagreb or Varaždin more like Western Slavonia imo.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Banija Croatian ploting eastern as Stears.
Stears is half Szekely.

Dude, I got Stears kit number and on some Oracles he is modeled as 50% Hungarian 50% Moldavian. Go figure.

His results on Eurogenes K13

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Moldavian @ 3.232687

[Pribislav]

He is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvor,_Croatia
His haplogroup is I2-PH908.

Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Interesting about this result is he has low Gedrosia and Southwest_Asian on Dodecad.

[Pribislav]

His MDLP K16.

1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33

Could somebody made Single Population Sharing?

[Bosniensis]

His MDLP K16.

1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33

Could somebody made Single Population Sharing?

not without gedmatch ID

[Pribislav]

His MDLP K16.

1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33

Could somebody made Single Population Sharing?

Here is.

Single Population Sharing:

1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)

Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989

[Bosniensis]

Here is.

Single Population Sharing:

1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)

Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989

That's the most northern Serb I've seen.

[Pribislav]

That's the most northern Serb I've seen.

I am pretty sure he is on average for his region.

Serbs from Banija are probably most northern ploting Serbs.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989

:rofl_002:

Dude, he is mixed as fuck. There were Germans in Banovina and they mixed with his ancestors. There is nothing Serb about his results.
But since he is northern shifted, he is ''average'' for his region LMAO, but south shifted Serbs are mixed with Albos, Vlachs etc.

Herzegovina sheperds settled in Banovina were certanly not half German, half Serb genetically.

Dude is very unpure like majority of Serbs from fringe regions.

[Pribislav]

:rofl_002:

Dude, he is mixed as fuck. There were Germans in Banovina and they mixed with his ancestors. There is nothing Serb about his results.
But since he is northern shifted, he is ''average'' for his region LMAO, but south shifted Serbs are mixed with Albos, Vlachs etc.

Herzegovina sheperds settled in Banovina were certanly not half German, half Serb genetically.

Dude is very unpure like majority of Serbs from fringe regions.

I already said that he is fully Serb.
He is I2-PH908, that is not German y dna. There is no German y dna among Banija Serbs.
His northwestern ploting from Serbian average is ancient dna, probably related with proto-Serbs from Czechia.
Moje ime has higher North_Atlantic than Baltic on K13, and she is not German influenced. Her admixture is ancient.

[ph2ter]

Here is.
His MDLP K16.

1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)

Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989

This MDLP K16 calculator is totally unreliable. Everybody looks more northern than he really is.
My result:


# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 27.58
2 Caucasian 24.79
3 Neolithic 24.58
4 Steppe 22.34
5 Amerindian 0.66
6 Siberian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 4.15
2 Pole (EastPoland) 4.29
3 Hungarian (Hungary) 4.7
4 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.74
5 Slovak (Slovakia) 4.75
6 Croat (Croatia) 4.87
7 Pole (Wroclaw) 5.25
8 Hungarian (WestUkraine) 5.5
9 Slovenian (Slovenia) 5.52
10 Pole (WestPoland) 5.75
11 Hungarian (Budapest) 5.78
12 Ukrainian (Ukraine) 5.89
13 Czech (Czechia) 5.91
14 Sorb (Lusatia) 6.02
15 German (Germany) 6.12
16 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.36
17 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.37
18 Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) 6.62
19 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.71
20 German (NorthGermany) 6.86

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.8% Pole (EastPoland) + 6.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.85
2 92.8% Dutch (Netherlands) + 7.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.85

[ph2ter]

This is old plot of mdlp k16
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0nel6zxuccqlj4/mdlp_K16_Iter2_24clusters.png?dl=0

[Pribislav]

This MDLP K16 calculator is totally unreliable. Everybody looks more northern than he really is.

Yes, that calculator is shity.

K13 Eurogenes is the best in my opinion.

This guy on K13 and other serious calculators is not close to Germans.

[ph2ter]

Yes, that calculator is shity.

K13 Eurogenes is the best in my opinion.

This guy on K13 and other serious calculators is not close to Germans.
K13 is well balanced:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1g5rw44q062dv8q/K13ByCountries.png?dl=0

[Pribislav]

His K47.

East European 21.12%
North Sea Germanic 16.2%
Baltic 12.06%
Celtic 11.82%
West Mediterranean 7.9%
Paleo Balkan 6.09%
West Finnic 5.39%
North Iberian 3.76%
East Mediterranean 3.66%
Central Mediterranean 2.95%
North Caucasian 2.58%
East Iberian 2.33%
Scando Germanic 2.11%
South Caucasian 1.99%
Volgan 0.04%

[HungryLion]

K15

North_Sea 19.57 Pct
Atlantic 19.21 Pct
Baltic 20.13 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.82 Pct
West_Med 12.73 Pct
West_Asian 6.01 Pct
East_Med 8.41Pct
Red_Sea 1.12 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Dodecad K12b
North_European 42.89
Atlantic_Med 27.38
Caucasus 22.95
Gedrosia 3.27
Southwest_Asian 3.12
Northwest_African 0.18
East_Asian 0.14
South_Asian 0.07

Eurogenes K13
Baltic 33.25
North_Atlantic 28.71
West_Med 15.85
East_Med 12.81
West_Asian 6.84
Red_Sea 1.71
Siberian 0.67
Oceanian 0.15

Eurogenes K13
1. Croatian 5.173751
2. Hungarian 5.84566
3. Moldavian 6.057260
4. Serbian 7.296862
5. Austrian 10.360145
6. East_German 11.030091
7. Romanian 12.047232
8. South_Polish 12.264196
9. Ukrainian_Lviv 12.27532
10. Ukrainian 13.37123
11. Bulgarian 14.73466
12. Polish 16.39723
13. Southwest_Russian 17.57168
14. Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16413
15. West_German 18.62859
16. Russian_Smolensk 19.14135
17. Belorussian 20.03064
18. South_Dutch 20.13621
19. Southwest_Finnish 21.36385
20. French 21.61905


Dodecad K7b Admixture Propartions
Atlantic_Baltic 64.31
Southern 20.87
West_Asian 14.87
Siberian 0.51

Dodecad V3 (dv3)

population
West_European 36.66
Mediteranean 25.75
East_European 23.7
West_Asian 10.37
Southwest_Asian 3.13
Southeast_Asian 0.28
Northwest_African 0.06

K36

East_Central_Euro 14.88
Central_Euro 14.69
Italian 10.27
Eastern_Euro 9.09
Fennoscandian 9.04
North_Atlantic 8.71
Iberian 7.22
East_Balkan 7.14
North_Sea 6.06
West_Med 4.59
French 4.09
North_Caucasian 3.2
West_Caucasian 1.02

https://i.imgur.com/mJ4SS9v.png



K11
South Asian -
Caucasus 12.91
Southwest Asian 1.7
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean 17.3
East Asian -
West African -
Volga-Ural 10.5
South Baltic 27.7
North Atlantic 29.89

Eurogenes K9b
Population
Southwest_Asian 7.25
Native_American 0.19
Northeast_Asian 1.41
Mediterranean 25.05
North_European 65.99
Southeast_Asian 0.04
Oceanian 0.07
South_African -
Sub_Saharan_African -

K10
South Asian -
Caucasus 13.61
Southwest Asian 3.01
North Amerindian + Artic -
Siberian -
Mediterranean - 18.12
East Asian -
West African -
East_European 33.34
North Atlantic 31.92


1 NorthEast European 26.81
2 Neolithic 26.69
3 Caucasian 24.98
4 Steppe 21.12
5 Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

1 Slovenian 3.21 (Slovenia)
2 German_Lipsian 3.41 (Saxony)
3 Croat 3.43 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
4 Hungarian 3.89 (Hungary)
5 Croat 4.47 (Croatia)
6 Bosnian 4.49 (Bosnia-Herzegovina)
7 Serbian 4.55 (Serbia)
8 Czech 4.78 (Czechia)
9 Austrian 4.81 (Audtria)
10 Pole 5.01 (South_Poland)
11 Dutch 5.19 (Netherlands)
12 Hungarian 5.29 (EastHungary)
13 Slovak 5.38 (Slovakia)
14 German 5.49 (Germany)
15 Welsh 5.87 (Wales)
16 French 5.9 (NortherhwestFrance)
17 Irish 5.91 (Munster)
18 Pole 6.09 (EastPoland)
19 Sorb 6.34 (Lusatia)
20 Ukraunians 6.47 (WestUkraine)

Using 2 populations appromaximation:
1 50% German (Germany) + 50% Serbian (Serbia) @2.143989


His K47.

East European 21.12%
North Sea Germanic 16.2%
Baltic 12.06%
Celtic 11.82%
West Mediterranean 7.9%
Paleo Balkan 6.09%
West Finnic 5.39%
North Iberian 3.76%
East Mediterranean 3.66%
Central Mediterranean 2.95%
North Caucasian 2.58%
East Iberian 2.33%
Scando Germanic 2.11%
South Caucasian 1.99%
Volgan 0.04%


MDLPK 33


Population Percentage
African Archaic 0.00%
Altaic 0.00%
Amerindian 0.00%
Australian 0.00%
Austro Asiatic 0.00%
Austronesian 0.00%
Balkan 5.17%
Baltic 0.76%
British 0.00%
Caucasian 0.08%
Central Asian 0.00%
Central European 9.11%
Dravidian 0.00%
East Asian 0.00%
East European 26.70%
Finno Ugric 0.12%
Indian 0.00%
Near East 0.00%
North African 0.00%
Paleo Siberian 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
Polynesian 0.00%
Samoedic 0.00%
Scandinavian 2.00%
Siberian 0.00%
Sino Tibetan 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
South European 11.14%
Sub Saharan 0.00%
Turkic 0.00%
West African 0.00%
West Asian 7.31%
West European 37.61%



These are my results, the only thing is wrong post K15, the other results are correct, I practically only repeat myself. Now it's all right...

[Carpatz]

I am pretty sure he is on average for his region.

Serbs from Banija are probably most northern ploting Serbs.

If a Serb shifts just a tiny bit south from the Serb average, you assume that he must have Albanian/Sandzakian/Vlach origins, yet this guy is just a typical Serb according to you xD.

[Leto]

Am I right thinking no full Serb can exceed the 35% Baltic mark on K13?

[Pribislav]

If a Serb shifts just a tiny bit south from the Serb average, you assume that he must have Albanian/Sandzakian/Vlach origins, yet this guy is just a typical Serb according to you xD.

HungryLion is typical for his region.

Serbs which ploting more southern from Serbian average often have recent Montenegrin origin/input or somethimes Vlach (from eastern Serbia), not Sandzakian and Albanian.

[Pribislav]

Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

[HungryLion]

Am I right thinking no full Serb can exceed the 35% Baltic mark on K13?

The first thing is what you consider by full Serb? And I really dont know..Anyway I have 33.25 i think so ..

Serbs are a nation-building nation that has a legitimate empire and significant history
,it is quite normal that there are some differences, there are still two results from the region I come from and both are relatively similar to my own. The only Croats to whom I am similar are the southern Croatians, Dalmatians, etc. among these Croats dominant haplogroup is I2a1b. :)

[Leto]

The first thing is what you consider by full Serb? And I really dont know..Anyway I have 33.25 i think so ..

People with at least 4 Serbian grandparents, I'd say. No Croat roots.

[HungryLion]

Only now can I can see how perception about the Serbs as a nation is really wrong.
I was not sorry for money to investigate my origins, and that was done by professionals
I can assure you that I do not have any other nation in my genealogy except the Serbs,
It is important to note that my haplogroup participated in the ethnogenesis of the Slavs, but it was also an integral part of the Serbian tribe and the bearer of the Serbian nation.
Today, the Serbs, as well as all other peoples, contain various haplogroups and people of different origins, the division of "right and wrong", full or unclear Serbs is wrong, there is only more slavic Serb and less, and personally I do not find that much important.
Personally I think it is wrong.

[HungryLion]

People with at least 4 Serbian grandparents, I'd say. No Croat roots.


I definitely do not have Croatian roots in my genealogy.
... Thing I would not be able to say about the Croats you compare with me, but I would not want to turn this topic into a battlefield.

[Moje ime]

Am I right thinking no full Serb can exceed the 35% Baltic mark on K13?

Yes.

Baltic is not only "northern" input among Serbs, why is that so much important to you?

[Dick]

Only now can I can see how perception about the Serbs as a nation is really wrong.
I was not sorry for money to investigate my origins, and that was done by professionals
I can assure you that I do not have any other nation in my genealogy except the Serbs,
It is important to note that my haplogroup participated in the ethnogenesis of the Slavs, but it was also an integral part of the Serbian tribe and the bearer of the Serbian nation.
Today, the Serbs, as well as all other peoples, contain various haplogroups and people of different origins, the division of "right and wrong", full or unclear Serbs is wrong, there is only more slavic Serb and less, and personally I do not find that much important.
Personally I think it is wrong.

Exactly. What matters is crushing our enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

[Leto]

Yes.

Baltic is not only "northern" input among Serbs, why is that so much important to you?
I was just asking. Not that important but interesting since the Serbs are a Slavic people. Baltic is the largest component for Slavs (Poles, Russians, etc.). And I didn't mean some Serbs are more Serbian than others, apparently there is some variation in most ethnic groups.

[Moje ime]

I was just asking. Not that important but interesting since the Serbs are a Slavic people. And I didn't mean some Serbs are more Serbian than others, apparently there is some variation in most ethnic groups.

Ok.

I understood that some Celtic and/or Germanic input could already be among Slavs before arrival to Balkan.

[Jackson78]

He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?

I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.

Banija Croats aren't native there. They mostly came to Banija from Lika in 18th century.

[HungryLion]

Exactly. What matters is crushing our enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

I like the particular part about their women Lol

[Adam Janossy]

I am partly Banovina Croatian, 1/16 from village near Hrvatska Kostajnica. If I look at surname, it is from Prevlaka (Southern Dalmatia) or/and Montenegro. Arrived there probably fleeing Ottomans. It also exist in western Istria in huge amount.

[Dick]

I like the particular part about their women Lol


https://youtu.be/NzvFNLAnYNw

[HungryLion]

If a Serb shifts just a tiny bit south from the Serb average, you assume that he must have Albanian/Sandzakian/Vlach origins, yet this guy is just a typical Serb according to you xD.

Very strange ... And what about the Stokavian Croats who are closer to me than the northwestern Croats?I think this is useless
...

[Adam Janossy]

Very strange ... And what about the Stokavian Croats who are closer to me than the northwestern Croats?I think this is useless
...

You are inside Kajkavian/Northwest Croatian cluster.

[HungryLion]

I am partly Banovina Croatian, 1/16 from village near Hrvatska Kostajnica. If I look at surname, it is from Prevlaka (Southern Dalmatia) or/and Montenegro. Arrived there probably fleeing Ottomans. It also exist in western Istria in huge amount.

Me to..Interesting..I saw the results of your parents and they are very similar to mine.I believe it's a natural ..

[HungryLion]

You are inside Kajkavian/Northwest Croatian cluster.


it depends on the calculator you're looking at )))

[Adam Janossy]

Me to..Interesting..I saw the results of your parents and they are very similar to mine.I believe it's a natural ..

Cool! My ancestry is from Divusa.

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divu%C5%A1a

[HungryLion]

there is a chance that our parents might know each other, or someone from the wider family...
I am from Dvor, and other side is from Rosulje neer kostajnica .
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosulje_(Hrvatska_Kostajnica)

[Pribislav]

Banija Croats aren't native there. They mostly came to Banija from Lika in 18th century.

And in Lika they arrived from Herzegovina (Bunjevci).

[Pribislav]

Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

Components.

North_Sea 19.73
Baltic 18.35
Atlantic 16.18
West_Med 12.99
Eastern_Euro 12.97
East_Med 10.47
West_Asian 9.01
Red_Sea 0.21
Siberian 0.08
South_Asian 0.01

[Jackson78]

And in Lika they arrived from Herzegovina (Bunjevci).

Yep

[HungryLion]

I did not expect such results with regard to the location from He comes, as well as to the his potential haplogroup. Definitely, it might be expected that the results of some new tested( from my area) ones will be closer to me, I am familiar with the structure of the villages in this area..I can say that I am little surprised I was expected him to be more south shifted.

[Pribislav]

I did not expect such results with regard to the location from He comes, as well as to the his potential haplogroup. Definitely, it might be expected that the results of some new tested( from my area) ones will be closer to me, I am familiar with the structure of the villages in this area..I can say that I am little surprised I was expected him to be more south shifted.

Average Banija Serbs are probably between you and him. He is little more souther and you are little more norther than average, I would say.

Interesting to me that both you and him are more western than Croatian average. You and him (especially you) are quite more western than Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted.

[HungryLion]

Average Banija Serbs are probably between you and him. He is little more souther and you are little more norther than average, I would say.

Interesting to me that both you and him are more western than Croatian average. You and him (especially you) are quite more western than Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted.

yes, that's interesting. But I think that Croatians from Banija, at least from my part, should be similar to Serbian results, since people looked almost identical.
I'd say you're right about the average for Banija.
I believe that the Croatians from Kostajnica should be close to the results of the Serbs from this region. I think that they will not be too eastern as it was with the one Croatian sample

[HungryLion]

Although it is never known, the individual factor can always prevail in a certain direction

[Pribislav]

yes, that's interesting. But I think that Croatians from Banija, at least from my part, should be similar to Serbian results, since people looked almost identical.
I'd say you're right about the average for Banija.
I believe that the Croatians from Kostajnica should be close to the results of the Serbs from this region. I think that they will not be too eastern as it was with the one Croatian sample

Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted is weird. He ploting eastern as Stears (half Szekely), but more northern than Stears.

Your K15 map in higher resolution. You are even slightly more western than Austrians.
https://i.imgur.com/v6uFZFT.png


I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

[HungryLion]

Possible, though I think Lelo is a bit more northern

[Moje ime]

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

[HungryLion]

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

[HungryLion]

The Eurogenes K13 calculator gives the most accurate picture, because he is well balanced

[Moje ime]

At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

I have increased North Sea and Atlantic too but it seems you have more Eastern Euro component and less West Asian and East Med components so that must be reason.
But still I don't understand how is that possible to went so far from Serbian average on map.

[Bosniensis]

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

[Pribislav]

At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

True.
Leeloo (Jana) and Vlatko Vukovic got more North Euro on K12b than you. But on the most serious calculator K13 Eurogenes you are more northern shifted than Vlatko Vukovic and same as Leeloo.
Part of you northern genetic on K12b is hidden under the Atlantic Med.
K13 is much better and more acuarate calculator than K12b.

[HungryLion]

I have increased North Sea and Atlantic too but it seems you have more Eastern Euro component and less West Asian and East Med components so that must be reason.
But still I don't understand how is that possible to went so far from Serbian average on map.

I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

[Moje ime]

I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

Yes, absence of south eastern components.

[HungryLion]

When I talked to people who really understand this topic, I mean the professionals, they understood it all and talked about it with ease.
I am aware of the conviction that not only do we not have enough knowledge, but probably also misinterpret many results. Also, I do not think that the maps are overly reliable, since a good part of the calculator does not give the best picture, how to expect that the maps are quite relevant

[Pribislav]

I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

You are lack of exotic components on many calculators.

For example you are Serb with lowest Gedrosia and Southwest_Asian score on K12b from what I know. You have low West_Asian on K13.

[HungryLion]

Yes, absence of south eastern components.

Exactly. It would be weird that the "north "components were abnormally increased, but they are not, I say again, the maps are not the most precisely and most reliable measure.

[Pribislav]

You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

Proto-Serbs came from Western Czechia, not from Belarus.

Proto-Serbs came to the Balkans from north, and that means Serbs who more northern ploting are closer to proto-Serbs than southern ploting ones. Very simple.

[HungryLion]

You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

I do not think it's something very important.
In the end, the Serbs probably came from several directions

[Adam Janossy]

I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

That is right :D

https://i.imgur.com/wDD2tu0.png

[Pribislav]

That is right :D

https://i.imgur.com/wDD2tu0.png

You and HungryLion are quite close on K13 Eurogenes as well.

HungryLion
1 Baltic 33.25
2 North_Atlantic 28.71
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 12.81
5 West_Asian 6.84
6 Red_Sea 1.71
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.15

Leeloo
1 Baltic 32.36
2 North_Atlantic 29.78
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 11.11
5 East_Med 9.41
6 Siberian 0.97
7 East_Asian 0.52

[HungryLion]

K13
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

[HungryLion]

Istočni mediteran, i zapadna Azija su glavne razlike rekao bih..ovde je karta rađena po rezultatima K13, mislim da je to najbolji kalkulator za upoređivanje u smislu boljeg poznavanja i upoznavanja materije, takođe ima najstabilnije komponente.

[HungryLion]

Ono što upada u oči i što bih mogao da izvučem kao zaključak relativno odsustvo istočnog mediterana može biti indikator da su njeni pretci boravili duži vremenski period na zapadnijim teritorijama nego što su to moji.
Poredak gde je zapadna Azija ispred Istočnog mediterana je poprilično učestala pojava kod "zapadnjaka" .
Sve u svemu interesantno. ..Pogotovo ako se uzme u obzir da imamo relativno slično poreklo koje se veže za Hercegovinu/Dalmaciju, kasnije delimično za Baniju/Banovinu, kao i moj haplotip i indicije da bi i njen otac mogao imati vrednosto 19=14 . Mislim da sve poprilično logično, čak i seoba muških predaka ( msm da je pomenuta bila prevlaka,zahumlje,hervegovina itd...) stvarnio neverovatno koliko sličnosti. :)

[Pribislav]

K13
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

You see, you are more northern shifted than Tschkaikisten on K13.
Tschaikisten got 43.5% North_European and you 42.89% on dodecad K12. This is textbook example how bullshit is K12b.
Of course you are more northern than Tschaikisten, you have higher Baltic and North_Atlantic than him.
On K12b part of northern dna is hidden under the Atlantic_Med as I already said.

[HungryLion]

You see, you are more northern shifted than Tschkaikisten on K13.
Tschaikisten got 43.5% North_European and you 42.89% on dodecad K12. This is textbook example how bullshit is K12b.
Of course you are more northern than Tschaikisten, you have higher Baltic and North_Atlantic than him.
On K12b part of northern dna is hidden under the Atlantic_Med as I already said.

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.

[IncelSlayer]

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.

Post your full ftdna result

[HungryLion]

Post your full ftdna result

You have it on Poreklo.rs not just FTDNA, you can find also my heritage result whit map..I am type from the phone I'll try to post it later.

[Pribislav]

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.

Of course it's outdated.
We need new one on higher sample. I don't remember when I saw last time Serb who is more southern than official Serbian average. Few are on average and majority are more norhern.

This are samples of Poreklo members. Woman 21 is Jewish influenced (has a lot of matches with Ashkenazy Jews), and 19 is son of woman 21. Few others are about Serbian average, and more of them are norhern from Serbian average. Definitely this average is outdated.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png

[HungryLion]

Btw about FTDNA I got 2% Scandinavia which is okay, but why they separate Scandinavia from Europe ( I got oslo) ?
Also Thing I find intresting and to be honest I didn't expected I'm 100% European on Ftdna and my heritage etc...

[Adam Janossy]

Hey, on DYS19 my papa got value = 16. Does that mean anything ?

[IncelSlayer]

Serbs who more northern ploting are closer to proto-Serbs than southern ploting ones. Very simple.

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

[HungryLion]

Hey, on DYS19 my papa got value = 16. Does that mean anything ?

I have just looked at it, unfortunately I could not find it because the topic is very fragmented. If you want, you can freely set the results on the poreklo.rs, they are very nice and professional there.
There were already other nations besides the Serbs, I think even they cooperate with each other icluding Croatian dna project, and others..

[Adam Janossy]

I have just looked at it, unfortunately I could not find it because the topic is very fragmented. If you want, you can freely set the results on the poreklo.rs, they are very nice and professional there.
There were already other nations besides the Serbs, I think even they cooperate with each other icluding Croatian dna project, and others..

Thanks, I think he is already there. Sample is from Dubica because that is where my paternal line comes from and they were muslim.

[Moje ime]

Of course it's outdated.
We need new one on higher sample. I don't remember when I saw last time Serb who is more southern than official Serbian average. Few are on average and majority are more norhern.



What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.

[HungryLion]

Thanks, I think he is already there. Sample is from Dubica because that is where my paternal line comes from and they were muslim.

Nice, well than you always can come and ask somebody for more info about your dad sample there on poreklo.rs.
There is few peple whit lot knowladge about PH908 .

[HungryLion]

What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.

When I think better I agree, they know the best if they need to change or not

[HungryLion]

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

We do not know what kind of genetics they had none proto Serbs or Croats, and we are talking about two very similar if not the same ethnic grup. So as I said before this type of topic is useless. when we test the proto Croats and Proto Serbs then we can talk about it.

[Pribislav]

What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.

Number 8 on map is from Kosovo, and number 1 is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekovac
They are not close to Bulgarians.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png

[Moje ime]

Number 8 on map is from Kosovo, and number 1 is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekovac
They are not close to Bulgarians.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png

I think it is possible that majority of Serbs are around average, and minority are more northern. The average is not created of "more southern" and "more northern" individuals which would mean more diverse nation.
To confirm that you need good reliable sample from all areas.

Btw what's number 21 and 19 ancestry?

[Pribislav]

I think it is possible that majority of Serbs are around average, and minority are more northern. The average is not created of "more southern" and "more northern" individuals which would mean more diverse nation.
To confirm that you need good reliable sample from all areas.

Btw what's number 21 and 19 ancestry?

From Vojvodina I think, but 21 has recent Jewish ancestors. Maybe The Devil's Advocate know more details.

[Pribislav]

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.

[Adam Janossy]

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.

Only non-southern Slavic ancestry I have is some miniscule German, and it is below 10%. Maybe some tiny bit Greek but I do not know. Genetics does not always match family stories, I do not match Greece on 23andme.

Serbs are not any purer than Croats are, that is nationalistic bs.

[Pribislav]

Only non-southern Slavic ancestry I have is some miniscule German, and it is below 10%. Maybe some tiny bit Greek but I do not know. Genetics does not always match family stories, I do not match Greece on 23andme.

Serbs are not any purer than Croats are, that is nationalistic bs.

I know tons of Croatians with recent foreign ancestors.

Mother of my friend is Croatian from Dalmatia, her maternal grandfather was Italian.
Mother of my other friend is Croatian from Podravska Slatina, her paternal grandfather was German and her original surname is uber German. She consider self for Croatian, her brother is Franc but she has very Croatian name.
Father's of both of my friends are Dalmatian Serbs.

I know many other examples, of Croatians which I know/meet or from what I heard.

[Ford]

Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted is weird. He ploting eastern as Stears (half Szekely), but more northern than Stears.

Your K15 map in higher resolution. You are even slightly more western than Austrians.
https://i.imgur.com/v6uFZFT.png


I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

Isn't that the same position as Ayetooey who is half English? I find it very hard to believe that he's plotting that much north without any foreign influence.

[Ford]

Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

This guy as pretty much the same position as me, maybe one or two pixels more south. HungryLion is basically shifted more north than him who is from the same region by an entire ethnic group.

[Pribislav]

Isn't that the same position as Ayetooey who is half English? I find it very hard to believe that he's plotting that much north without any foreign influence.

HungryLion is full Serb. Ask him.

He has documented all ancestors 300 years in the past and there is no non-Serbian ancestors.
Banija was part of Military Frontier and church books of born/married are well preserved there.

[Adam Janossy]

I know tons of Croatians with recent foreign ancestors.

Mother of my friend is Croatian from Dalmatia, her maternal grandfather was Italian.
Mother of my other friend is Croatian from Podravska Slatina, her paternal grandfather was German and her original surname is uber German. She consider self for Croatian, her brother is Franc but she has very Croatian name.
Father's of both of my friends are Dalmatian Serbs.

I know many other examples, of Croatians which I know/meet or from what I heard.

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.

[Ford]

HungryLion is full Serb. Ask him.

He has documented all ancestors 300 years in the past and there is no non-Serbian ancestors.
Banija was part of Military Frontier and church books of born/married are well preserved there.

Then I don't know what to say. I just find it unbelievable how a Serb can plot with Austrians. Has there been any other Serbs who are even remotely close to him?

[Pribislav]

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.

I know few Serbs with recent foreign ancestors. Mostly due to their Croatian mothers as guys which I mentioned up.
Their fathers meet their mothers due to internal moving of population in SFRJ (education, army, migrations from villages to cities etc.).

In Dalmatia Serbs were heavy mixed with Croatians only in Cetina and Vrlika Krajina. They were peasant and they mixed with Croatian peasant (without AU or Italian influence) who are same as they only carry different branch of Christianity.
Every second Serb from Vrlika-Cetina Krajina has Croatian (Bunjevac) mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother, from my experience.
Serbs from Bukovica, Ravni Kotari and Knin area very rare mixed with Croatians.

[Adam Janossy]

I know few Serbs with recent foreign ancestors. Mostly due to their Croatian mothers as guys which I mentioned up.
Their fathers meet their mothers due to internal moving of population in SFRJ (education, army, migrations from villages to cities etc.).

In Dalmatia Serbs were heavy mixed with Croatians only in Cetina and Vrlika Krajina. They were peasant and they mixed with Croatian peasant (without AU or Italian influence) who are same as they only carry different branch of Christianity.
Every second Serb from Vrlika-Cetina Krajina has Croatian (Bunjevac) mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother, from my experience.
Serbs from Bukovica, Ravni Kotari and Knin area very rare mixed with Croatians.

What about Macedonian, Romanian/Vlach, Albanian admixture among Serbs ? And in Vojvodina ?

[Bosniensis]

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

Pribislav faps everyday on Pale White Russian girls.

Serbs are Southern not Northern like Croats.

[HungryLion]

Idemo opet :D Vrv poslednji put jer mi je malo već čudno.
Dakle, od 10-12 kalkulatora koje imam uradjene samo jedan pokazuje da sam ( i ja se slažem sa time) ajmo reći previše severozapadno. Samo na dva kalkulatora se desila takva situacija, na K47 i K15 gde su mi "ekspodirale" komponente severnog germanskog mora.
Svuda, ali bukvalno svuda ostalo se sasvim jasno vidi srpki trag. Šta je uzrok tome? Ne znam. Keltska i Germanska komponenta su jako zamenjive, moguće da je "bag" u tom smislu, u kontekstu da mi se preliva Sever i zapad/severozapad, obzirom da gde god postoji centralna evropa automacki dolazi do smanjenja severnog mora kod mene.
Nekada rezultati budu malo komplikovaniji, kao što je kod mene slučaj. Nemam niti jednog pretka koji nije Srbin( radio sam istorijat, i porodicno stablo, zapravo platio stručnjaka za to).
Na K13 koje je najbolji kalkulator se apsolutno vidi da sam u grupi sa Srbima, hrvatski prosek mi je prilično daleko.
Opet kažem K13 ima najstabilnije komponente.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVcBhLb/march20b.png

Svi su dosta severniji od mene kao što se može videti.
Još nešto jako bitno, da imam bilo kakvog upliva u nekoj bližoj prošlosti istočni mediteran bi mi bio ispod zapadne Azije, to je maltene pravilo kod svih zapadnjaka, čak i kod mađara, ne moram dalje ni ići, kod mene to nije slučaj.
Vrednosti mi nisu povećane, jedino što imam malo manje nekih istočnih komponenti.
Ponavljam jedino gde se bukvalno desila "eksplozija" severnog mora su K47 i K15.
To što sam blizu Austrijancima ne shvatam uopšte bukvalno tako. Pogledajte koliko su svi severnije od mene na K13 npr korisnik Nato itd..Od 10 tak i više urađenih kalkulatora ja da se toliko fokusiram na jedan stvarno nemam nameru.

[Moje ime]

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.

Albanian admixture doesn't exists. Albanian admixture Serbs would plot south western from average. No such thing.

[IncelSlayer]

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.

When serbs plot a little more southern than average they must be mixed with albo,montenegrin,bulgarian,romanian etc
When serbs plots a LOT more northern than average they are ancient serbs
When croats plot a little more northern than average they must be mixed with German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs foreigners
When croats plot a little more southern than average they must be catholic serbs

More annoying than your low IQ is the way you always come with some personal story and then try to generalize an entire group based on it.You're the only joke here

[HungryLion]

Banalan primer ispada da smo ja i tschainen u odnosu na korisnika Srb1 sasvim neka deseta etnička grupa. Ja sam poprilično blizu njemu. Ponavljam, ne znam šta je razlog povećanog North_Sea na K15. Iskreno ne bih se vise cimao oko toga.

[HungryLion]

Pritom bilo bi lekovito( za moje nerve :lol: ) ako bi ste se barem jednako fokusirali na mapu K13 koliko i na K15.

[Pribislav]

When serbs plot a little more southern than average they must be mixed with albo,montenegrin,bulgarian,romanian etc
When serbs plots a LOT more northern than average they are ancient serbs
When croats plot a little more northern than average they must be mixed with German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs foreigners
When croats plot a little more southern than average they must be catholic serbs

More annoying than your low IQ is the way you always come with some personal story and then try to generalize an entire group based on it.You're the only joke here

:picard1:


I migth be everything, but not low IQ for sure.

[Moje ime]

Pritom bilo bi lekovito( za moje nerve :lol: ) ako bi ste se barem jednako fokusirali na mapu K13 koliko i na K15.

Mislis K36 mapu? Pa tu bolje da se ne fokusiramo :D

[HungryLion]

Mislis K36 mapu? Pa tu bolje da se ne fokusiramo :D

Ne nego na onu što sam postavio, K13 :)))
Na K36 Ford ima maltene iste rezultate kao ja .
Na ovo mislim https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVcBhLb/march20b.png

[HungryLion]

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

[Pribislav]

What about Macedonian, Romanian/Vlach, Albanian admixture among Serbs ? And in Vojvodina ?

Vlachs from eastern Serbia are part of Serbian society over 200 years.

There is no Albanian admixture among Serbs.
Sandžakians who are pred. of Albanian origin are citizens of Serbia, but not Serbs thanks God.

Vojvodinian Serbs very rare mixed with other nations.
Most common mixing of Serbian speakers in Vojvodina with other nations is mixing of Montenegrin colonists (which settled after 1945) with Hungarians.

[Dick]

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png
Looks nice but where is Bosniensis

[Pribislav]

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

Brate, naravno da nemaš ne-srpskog upliva.
Onaj Slovenac i Sremac su sasvim lepo objasnili da nisi atipičan za Srbina iz tvog kraja. Oni mnogo bolje poznaju autosomalnu neko iko ovde.
Logično da ne mogu svi Srbi biti autosomalno kao jaje jajetu, međutim Srbi su ipak jedan od najhomogenijih naroda u Evropi autosomalno.

[HungryLion]

Looks nice but where is Bosniensis

:rofl::rofl:
Juče je izrazio protest, nije hteo da bude u istoj ravni sa makedoncem :lol:

[HungryLion]

Brate, naravno da nemaš ne-srpskog upliva.
Onaj Slovenac i Sremac su sasvim lepo objasnili da nisi atipičan za Srbina iz tvog kraja. Oni mnogo bolje poznaju autosomalnu neko iko ovde.
Logično da ne mogu svi Srbi biti autosomalno kao jaje jajetu, međutim Srbi su ipak jedan od najhomogenijih naroda u Evropi autosomalno.

Slažem se...Na K13 se lepo vidi

[Leto]

Vlachs from eastern Serbia are part of Serbian society over 200 years.

There is no Albanian admixture among Serbs.
Sandžakians who are pred. of Albanian origin are citizens of Serbia, but not Serbs thanks God.

Vojvodinian Serbs very rare mixed with other nations.
Most common mixing of Serbian speakers in Vojvodina with other nations is mixing of Montenegrin colonists (which settled after 1945) with Hungarians.
I don't know much about Balkan regions, just curious. There is still many Serbs in Sandžak

Serbian Sandžak

According to the 2011 census in Serbia,[9] a total of 201,728 people live in the Serbian portion of Sandžak. Bosniaks, numbering 142,373 hold an overall majority (59.4%) in this part of region, mainly concentrated in the eastern part of Serbian Sandžak. Serbs, numbering 77,555 (i.e. 32.5%), make up the majority in most of the western part of Serbian Sandžak.

Montenegrin Sandžak

According to the 2011 census in Montenegro, the Montenegrin part numbers 151,950 people. The ethnic composition of the Montenegrin part is significantly more mixed than that of the Serbian part. No ethnic groups forms an absolute majority in the Montenegrin part.


Sandžak as a whole

A calculation of the two censuses puts Sandžak's total population at just over 390,000. The relative majority is held by the roughly 189,190 Bosniaks, who form 48.4% of the region's population. Serbs form 33.9% (132,345), while Montenegrins form 7.25% (28,323), Muslims by nationality 6.11% (23,900), and Albanians 1.04% (4,062).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand%C5%BEak#Demographics

[Pribislav]

I don't know much about Balkan regions, just curious. There is still many Serbs in Sandžak



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand%C5%BEak#Demographics

Yes, I know.

When I say Sandžakians I mean only on Muslims.
Serbs from Sadžak don't recognize themselves as Sandžakians. For Serbs Sandžak is Raška https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)
Raška is real historical name for that region, and Sandžak is recent proclaimed turcism by local Muslims.
Serbs and Muslims from Raška are mostly of different origin.

[Leto]

Yes, I know.

When I say Sandžakians I mean only on Muslims.
Serbs from Sadžak don't recognize themselves as Sandžakians. For Serbs Sandžak is Raška https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raška_(region)
Raška is real historical name for that region, and Sandžak is recent proclaimed turcism by local Muslims.
Serbs and Muslims from Raška are mostly of different origin.
Do intermarriage and religion shift happen there? Usually it does in ethnically mixed regions to a certain extent, sometimes more, sometimes less. Especially in the modern times.

[Pribislav]

Do intermarriage and religion shift happen there? Usually it does in ethnically mixed regions to a certain extent, sometimes more, sometimes less.

Marriages between Orthodox and Muslims in Ottoman time did not exist. After WW2 it happened somethimes but very rare and mostly in Bosnia.
Sandžakian Muslims are very traditional and bound for Islam, much more than Bosnian Muslims. In comparition with Sandžakians Bosnian Muslims looks like fake Muslims in every sense. I heard Sandžakians say they wanna see rather death own dauther than married for Serb.
One western journalist traveled across Yugoslavia in 1930s. He noticed more Islamic and traditional caracter of Muslims when he went from northwest towards the southeast. Foča Muslims (eastern Bosnia) had more Islamic caracter/vibe than Sarajevo one, Prijepolje Muslims more than Foča, Novi Pazar more than Prijepolje... and most uber traditional Muslims where from Prizren and Uroševac in southern Kosovo (Albanians).

Mixing of Orthodox and Catholics happened for centuries, in some regions was more and in some less often.

[Bosniensis]

Looks nice but where is Bosniensis

To be honest that thing looks confusing ... what are those weird looking triangles...

[Voskos]

Looks like your average Roman, after the slavic arrival ofc.

[Moje ime]

Nema ni mene ovde

https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

[Moje ime]

Izgleda da K13 mapa pokazuje relativne rezultate od nekog proseka tako da izgleda kao da se ti trouglovi mogu razvlaciti u nedogled a da se nikad ne preklope. :D

[HungryLion]

Pa nije baš :p
Msm da je ta mapa zasigurno bolja od ove K15:p