Bizzare Ftdna results

[MercifulServant]

https://i.imgur.com/49KiVEe.png

I did the FTdna transfer for $19 with my ancestry data. This has to be bullshit. No way im 10% Asia Minor and 8% Scandanavian. Does anyone have an explanation for this? My ancestry result is completely fine and doesnt show that much asia minor.

[Ayetooey]

Just check this thread it's full of FTDNA results on poreklo, quite a few Serbs get Asia minor, and there's pure Serbs who have gotten weird results like 25-30% West Europe. One girl even gets 15% British on it. It's bs. Raw data is more useful

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=603.msg108730#msg108730

One guys example results.

https://s14.postimg.cc/84gdofjxd/image.png

[Erronkari]

Scandinavia should be mistaken with another population.
And Asia Minor is bullshit for sure...

[MercifulServant]

Scandinavia should be mistaken with another population.
And Asia Minor is bullshit for sure...

Yeah, My ancestryDNA results dont show any indication that I have anything close to 10% asia minor. On ancestry I got 65% Eastern Europe & Russia, 5% Baltic States, 29% Balkan, 1% Spain

[Morena]

I don't trust FTDNA. I think they are the worst company by a long shot - well, besides myHeritage. I don't understand why they get such wonky results. It's a good thing you only paid 20 for it.

[MercifulServant]

Just check this thread it's full of FTDNA results on poreklo, quite a few Serbs get Asia minor, and there's pure Serbs who have gotten weird results like 25-30% West Europe. One girl even gets 15% British on it. It's bs. Raw data is more useful

https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=603.msg108730#msg108730

One guys example results.

https://s14.postimg.cc/84gdofjxd/image.png

I remember vlatko got something like 20% asia minor on the test

[Ayetooey]

I remember vlatko got something like 20% asia minor on the test

Yeah a lot of people get odd results from it, I've got a few on my relative list who are pure Serbs or Croats with extensive family trees, who score like 78% European only. One Serb on that thread I link has normal Serb gedmatch results but scores a large British component.

https://i.imgur.com/3EhzaMS.png

[Erronkari]

Yeah, My ancestryDNA results dont show any indication that I have anything close to 10% asia minor. On ancestry I got 65% Eastern Europe & Russia, 5% Baltic States, 29% Balkan, 1% Spain


Probably they considered that part of your East Europe was Scandinavia (8%).
It doesn't make too much sense though... but well...
But Asia Minor it's a baloney.
I don't find or imagine another reason.
It sounds totally unreliable.
Something similar happened in My Heritage with some Iberians, who scored 1/2% SSA and particularly "Nigeria".
A huge nonsense...

[Lucas]

Oh well.

My daughter has 8% Asia Minor in FTDNA so ...

[Kaspias]

AsiaMinorDNA

https://i.ibb.co/zn4dz8C/Ads-z.png

[Ford]

What are your ancestry results?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Turks and Vikings had fun with your ancestors mate.

[nittionia]

From my understanding they have a tendency to use extreme ways when displaying your admix. But yeah raw data is the most useful from FTDNA imo.

[Bunalim]

ftDNA probably has DNA samples from places in Turkey that have a lot of Balkan people. Like Samsun or something.

[MercifulServant]

What are your ancestry results?

in my signature

[MercifulServant]

Turks and Vikings had fun with your ancestors mate.

Well, on Ancestry I dont score any asia minor. and on other test like myheritage i dont either, I also get normal gedmatch so Its obv bullshit.

[Ford]

in my signature

http://apollo-na-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1437579872/0000.jpeg

[MercifulServant]

AncestryDNA: 65% Eastern Europe & Russia, 5% Baltic States, 29% Balkan, 1% Spain

MyHeritage:
Europe
100.0%

[Voskos]

15% asia minor on ftdna in my case.

[Ford]

AncestryDNA: 65% Eastern Europe & Russia, 5% Baltic States, 29% Balkan, 1% Spain

haha I was joking, I can see it. Just didn't notice it at first.

[MercifulServant]

15% asia minor on ftdna in my case.

Well, mine cant be accurate thats for sure. every other test says that i have an average serb result and so does gedmatch

[Luke35]

https://i.imgur.com/49KiVEe.png

I did the FTdna transfer for $19 with my ancestry data. This has to be bullshit. No way im 10% Asia Minor and 8% Scandanavian. Does anyone have an explanation for this? My ancestry result is completely fine and doesnt show that much asia minor.

The Asia Minor is SE Europe, mis-identified. Same thing happened to me, I got 8% Asia Minor. As far as the Scandinavian, the only thing I can imagine is that the algorithm added Scandinavian to get the right fit and balance for everything, similar to how Gedmatch oracles work. I could be dead wrong about that, just a guess.

[Thracian]

FtDNA is one of the worst companies for auDNA, I think. I got 10% British Isles which is funny.

[CommonSense]

I don't trust FTDNA. I think they are the worst company by a long shot - well, besides myHeritage. I don't understand why they get such wonky results. It's a good thing you only paid 20 for it.

Not at all, I'm completely satisfied with the estimation they gave me, plus their raw data file contains more SNPs than either AncestryDNA, 23andMe or MyHeritage!

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2qtiglj.jpg

[Ayetooey]

Not at all, I'm completely satisfied with the estimation they gave me, plus their raw data file contains more SNPs than either AncestryDNA, 23andMe or MyHeritage!

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It works for some and worked well for me, but obviously isn't ideal for everyone when you have some Serbs scoring 33% west europe, or 17% British, yet plotting normally on gedmatch.

Sadly they have changed raw data file for new customers, though this won't effect you since you have the data downloaded already.

[CommonSense]

It works for some and worked well for me, but obviously isn't ideal for everyone when you have some Serbs scoring 33% west europe, or 17% British, yet plotting normally on gedmatch.

Sadly they have changed raw data file for new customers, though this won't effect you since you have the data downloaded already.

I knew it was a good thing I didn't hesitate to order the kit back in August! Though still according to Peterski and Leto their raw data is one of the superior ones for gedmatch and MyHeritage is the worst by far. Dick has already noted that all the Serbs on the forum who tested via MH plot western than our average.

[Ayetooey]

I knew it was a good thing I didn't hesitate to order the kit back in August! Though still according to Peterski and Leto their raw data is one of the superior ones for gedmatch and MyHeritage is the worst by far. Dick has already noted that all the Serbs on the forum who tested via MH plot western than our average.

Yeah something is wrong with myheritage data. People here used to say that myheritage data was by far the best for some reason. My FTDNA raw data seems good enough. Based on that poreklo thread I'd trust the data over the actual autosomal they give since quite a few get strange results. My k13 with it is legit.

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.9% Serbian + 49.1% Southeast_English @ 1.88

[Luke35]

I dare say FTDNA was pretty good for me, a $20 upload from AncestryDNA data. If you change the Asia Minor to SE Europe, then this is a reasonable estimation of my ancestry.
https://i.imgur.com/JUAbbeZ.png

[Leto]

Though still according to Peterski and Leto their raw data is one of the superior ones for gedmatch and MyHeritage is the worst by far. Dick has already noted that all the Serbs on the forum who tested via MH plot western than our average.
This isn't true about MH. Its raw data is as good as FTDNA's and Ancestry's.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Well, on Ancestry I dont score any asia minor. and on other test like myheritage i dont either, I also get normal gedmatch so Its obv bullshit.

I saw many Serbs ftdna and most don't get Asia Minor. If it's there it's probably true. Vlatko is Bosniak so I don't think it's suprising he gets it. You are south shifted for Croatian Serb also.

[Ford]

This isn't true about MH. Its raw data is as good as FTDNA's and Ancestry's.

Yeah, MyHeritage is using the same Illumina chip as FTDNA. It's the closest you can get to FTDNA's raw data without actually testing there.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Ancestry is damn awesome, plus you get ydna for free. Can't believe people go for shitty FTDNA/MyHeritage over it. Ancestry has IBD sharing genetic communities also, I'm really happy I went with it.

[Ayetooey]

I saw many Serbs ftdna and most don't get Asia Minor. If it's there it's probably true. Vlatko is Bosniak so I don't think it's suprising he gets it. You are south shifted for Croatian Serb also.

Look at the thread I linked on the first page as well as the two results I posted, many get weird amounts of West Europe, Asia Minor or even British, yet plot like normal Serbs on gedmatch. I highly doubt Decius is part "Asia Minor", just like the guy on the first page I posted who is apparently 17% British. There's quite a few serbs and croats on my ftdna list who score asia minor percentages.

Vlatko plots north as fuck, he's as north as me almost.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The Asia Minor is SE Europe, mis-identified. Same thing happened to me, I got 8% Asia Minor. As far as the Scandinavian, the only thing I can imagine is that the algorithm added Scandinavian to get the right fit and balance for everything, similar to how Gedmatch oracles work. I could be dead wrong about that, just a guess.

Man, you are also very south shifted for your ancestry and some Magyars can get exotic results like that. I wouldn't say it's fake, let's be real.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Look at the thread I linked on the first page as well as the two results I posted, many get weird amounts of West Europe, Asia Minor or even British, yet plot like normal Serbs on gedmatch. I highly doubt Decius is part "Asia Minor", just like the guy on the first page I posted who is apparently 17% British. There's quite a few serbs and croats on my ftdna list who score asia minor percentages.

Vlatko plots north as fuck, he's as north as me almost.

West Europe/British is just Celtic or German ancestry, I see nothing wrong with it. Many south Slavs do get it. Plotting in average doesn't mean you have average admixture, see Jews and Sicilians example.
Maybe Vlatko would plot as north as some more northern shifted Croats if not for this Asia Minor admixture, who knows.

[Carpatz]

Ftdna myorigins shouldn't be taken seriously. Apparently they messed with the raw data too recently.

[CommonSense]

I saw many Serbs ftdna and most don't get Asia Minor. If it's there it's probably true. Vlatko is Bosniak so I don't think it's suprising he gets it. You are south shifted for Croatian Serb also.

He isn't southern at all, but eastern shifted. And we're a small , homogenous ethnicity, not a huge nation like the French where people all sorts of backgrounds are blended in, meaning that any component that exists within me also exists within him and vice-versa. Decius's AncestryDNA is quite similar to my FTDNA results for example. If we take the estimate the company you tested with gives you, then you would plot with Polish people since you supposedly don't have any Balkan DNA, but we've all seen that's not the case.

[Ayetooey]

Mr G isn't southern shifted either, he's half Hungarian Half German and plots in central Europe. He's to the North west of me and i'm by Austria so he's north shifted if anything.

[CommonSense]

Mr G isn't southern shifted either, he's half Hungarian Half German and plots in central Europe. He's to the North west of me and i'm by Austria so he's north shifted if anything.

He gets modelled as half South Dutch half Hungarian if I recall correctly, which would mean both sides of his family are quite average.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He isn't southern at all, but eastern shifted. And we're a small , homogenous ethnicity, not a huge nation like the French where people all sorts of backgrounds are blended in, meaning that any component that exists within me also exists within him and vice-versa. Decius's AncestryDNA is quite similar to my FTDNA results for example. If we take the estimate the company you tested with gives you, then you would plot with Polish people since you supposedly don't have any Balkan DNA, but we've all seen that's not the case.

You don't get it. I get 90% Eastern Europe because Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia are included in it. Ancestry Balkan includes only southern and eastern Balkans so I see no reason why I should score it.
I plot similar like Jana on K15 PCA, and we don't have similar ancestry components.

You didn't get Asia Minor, he did. He also got Scandinavian which you didn't and that means Nordic blood could compensate for Anatolian admixture and bring both of you close despite being different.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He gets modelled as half South Dutch half Hungarian if I recall correctly, which would mean both sides of his family are quite average.

There are pure Slovenes and NW Croats more northern than him bro.

[CommonSense]

There are pure Slovenes and NW Croats more northern than him bro.

No way, look where he plots compared to you.

https://i.postimg.cc/D0Dm9MMz/mrg.png

[Leto]

Vlatko Vukovic
https://i.ibb.co/mDqJ1Lr/Vlatko-Vukovic.png

[Dick]

I get southeast, east and west Europe only

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

No way, look where he plots compared to you.

https://i.postimg.cc/D0Dm9MMz/mrg.png

I was talking about K15 PCA mate. There we are fairly close. On this one he plots as expected for his ancestry.
Maybe K15 PCA isn't the best for mixed people ? Aye also plot weirdly on that.

Mr.G pop is pretty southern for a Magyar though, don't you think ? West Asian obviously comes from him.

[Dick]

Is Mr. G short for Mr. G-spot

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Vlatko Vukovic
https://i.ibb.co/mDqJ1Lr/Vlatko-Vukovic.png

Looks like his Turk blood is compensated with very high Slav and low Balkan.

[Ayetooey]

Asia Minor isn't even turk, he'd score central asian if that was the case like actual turkish posters, it's just misidentified neolithic aka balkan.

[Leto]

You didn't get Asia Minor, he did. He also got Scandinavian which you didn't and that means Nordic blood could compensate for Anatolian admixture and bring both of you close despite being different.
He doesn't get an extra amount of West Asian on GED

K13
West_Asian 8.24
East_Med 11.96
Red_Sea 2.09

K15
West_Asian 7.71
East_Med 8.29
Red_Sea 1.62

[Luke35]

He gets modelled as half South Dutch half Hungarian if I recall correctly, which would mean both sides of his family are quite average.

That is correct. My mother gets South Dutch first in her single population oracle, with a distance around 2+, so by default my father scores Hungarian first if you look at it that way.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Asia Minor isn't even turk, he'd score central asian if that was the case like actual turkish posters, it's just misidentified neolithic aka balkan.

Why doesn't all South Slavs get it though ? Only minority does. I'm not trolling just trying to figure this out. Many Turks don't have Asian blood, some are Tukicized Armenians, Pontic Greeks or Kurds.

[Leto]

Asia Minor isn't even turk, he'd score central asian if that was the case like actual turkish posters, it's just misidentified neolithic aka balkan.
Caucasians and Iranians get a lot of AM as well.

[CommonSense]

He doesn't get an extra amount of West Asian on GED

K13
West_Asian 8.24
East_Med 11.96
Red_Sea 2.09

K15
West_Asian 7.71
East_Med 8.29
Red_Sea 1.62

Nato scores 3 more West Asian than him on k13 and so do I lol :D

[Luke35]

There are pure Slovenes and NW Croats more northern than him bro.

Nato is correct here, on the K15 I am relatively close to him as far as a north/south relationship. I think Aye is a little more southern than both of us.

But I am more western shifted than either of them.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

He doesn't get an extra amount of West Asian on GED

K13
West_Asian 8.24
East_Med 11.96
Red_Sea 2.09

K15
West_Asian 7.71
East_Med 8.29
Red_Sea 1.62

Maybe FTDNA is scam after all.

[Leto]

Maybe FTDNA is scam after all.
AM is just misread SE Europe in his case.

[Leto]

Full VV's oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.03
2 North_Sea 18.99
3 Eastern_Euro 15.51
4 Atlantic 13.59
5 West_Med 11.3
6 East_Med 8.29
7 West_Asian 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.62
9 Amerindian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 1.99
2 Croatian 4.2
3 Hungarian 6.66
4 Serbian 8.03
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.22
6 Ukrainian 9.01
7 South_Polish 9.15
8 Austrian 9.57
9 Romanian 9.81
10 East_German 11.58
11 Polish 11.98
12 Bulgarian 12.1
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.3
14 Russian_Smolensk 12.55
15 Southwest_Russian 12.84
16 Belorussian 14.64
17 Estonian_Polish 14.65
18 Kargopol_Russian 15.77
19 Finnish 16.36
20 Southwest_Finnish 16.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.5% Ukrainian + 25.5% Central_Greek @ 1.69
2 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Ukrainian @ 1.88
3 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% Croatian @ 1.89
4 96.7% Moldavian + 3.3% Lithuanian @ 1.89
5 96.2% Moldavian + 3.8% Belorussian @ 1.9
6 95.4% Moldavian + 4.6% Polish @ 1.9
7 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.9
8 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% South_Polish @ 1.91
9 96.5% Moldavian + 3.5% Estonian_Polish @ 1.91
10 97.1% Moldavian + 2.9% Estonian @ 1.92
11 93.4% Moldavian + 6.6% Hungarian @ 1.93
12 96.6% Moldavian + 3.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.94
13 96.8% Moldavian + 3.2% Southwest_Russian @ 1.94
14 97.2% Moldavian + 2.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.95
15 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.97
16 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.97
17 99% Moldavian + 1% Erzya @ 1.98
18 98.9% Moldavian + 1.1% Finnish @ 1.98
19 98.7% Moldavian + 1.3% East_German @ 1.98
20 98.5% Moldavian + 1.5% Austrian @ 1.98

[Luke35]

Is Mr. G short for Mr. G-spot

How'd you know?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

AM is just misread SE Europe in his case.

East Med admixture, he get decent amount of it on gedmatch. I have higher West Asian (Caucasus) than him but lower East Med which is Levantine component.

[Ayetooey]

East Med admixture, he get decent amount of it on gedmatch. I have higher West Asian (Caucasus) than him but lower East Med which is Levantine component.

Decius East Med is actually lower than average for a pure Serb. I score higher if I recall correctly. And no I don't score any Asia Minor on ftdna :p.

[Leto]

East Med admixture, he get decent amount of it on gedmatch. I have higher West Asian (Caucasus) than him but lower East Med which is Levantine component.
Are you trying to tell us he is part Turkish? Serbs get as much as 15% East Med.

[Luke35]

I was talking about K15 PCA mate. There we are fairly close. On this one he plots as expected for his ancestry.
Maybe K15 PCA isn't the best for mixed people ? Aye also plot weirdly on that.

Mr.G pop is pretty southern for a Magyar though, don't you think ? West Asian obviously comes from him.

That's my father's phased kit, so accuracy is not going to be as high. If I am an exact mid-point of my parents (which I may not be) you can easily plot my father on the K13 as a spot just a little above Nato and Hungary.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Are you trying to tell us he is part Turkish? Serbs get as much as 15% East Med.

Don't care about Bosniaks like him man. He's a little rat but obviously white.
and yeah hates Croats while pretending to be Serb while being genetically closer to Croats lmao

Muslims should have been ethnically cleansed from Bosnia after Ottoman Empire collapse just like it was done in Iberia and Greece.
Only those who converted back to Christianity should have been allowed to stay.

[Leto]

Don't care about Bosniaks like him man. He's a little rat but obviously white.
and yeah hates Croats while pretending to be Serb while being genetically closer to Croats lmao

Muslims should have been ethnically cleansed from Bosnia after Ottoman Empire collapse just like it was done in Iberia and Greece.
Only those who converted back to Christianity should have been allowed to stay.
Yeah, you probably know my feelings towards Islam but he doesn't seem to be religious and we're not talking about culture here anyway. Bosnians and Albanians are the unfortunate outliers in Europe because of Islam (not all Albos though).

[Leto]

From the spreadsheets

Serbian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.32
2 North_Atlantic 27.10
3 West_Med 15.84
4 East_Med 15.63
5 West_Asian 9.37
6 Red_Sea 2.50
7 Siberian 0.75
8 East_Asian 0.57
9 Oceanian 0.38
10 South_Asian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.11
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06
13 Amerindian 0.03

Serbian K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.84
2 Atlantic 17.28
3 Baltic 15.16
4 Eastern_Euro 12.76
5 East_Med 12.18
6 West_Med 11.74
7 West_Asian 8.44
8 Red_Sea 2.60
9 South_Asian 0.34
10 Siberian 0.16
11 Northeast_African 0.15
12 Southeast_Asian 0.15
13 Oceanian 0.13
14 Sub-Saharan 0.05
15 Amerindian 0.02


Croatian K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.11
2 North_Atlantic 27.21
3 West_Med 14.54
4 East_Med 9.44
5 West_Asian 7.94
6 Red_Sea 1.45
7 South_Asian 0.97
8 Amerindian 0.80
9 Oceanian 0.40
10 Siberian 0.33
11 Northeast_African 0.32
12 East_Asian 0.30
13 Sub-Saharan 0.19

Croatian K15

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.74
2 North_Sea 18.41
3 Atlantic 17.52
4 Eastern_Euro 15.17
5 West_Med 10.17
6 West_Asian 6.69
7 East_Med 6.25
8 Red_Sea 1.29
9 South_Asian 0.72
10 Amerindian 0.44
11 Oceanian 0.24
12 Northeast_African 0.16
13 Sub-Saharan 0.16
14 Siberian 0.02
15 Southeast_Asian 0.02

[Luke35]

I was talking about K15 PCA mate. There we are fairly close. On this one he plots as expected for his ancestry.
Maybe K15 PCA isn't the best for mixed people ? Aye also plot weirdly on that.

Mr.G pop is pretty southern for a Magyar though, don't you think ? West Asian obviously comes from him.

Here is about where my dad would be (blue dot) if I am the midpoint between my parents. He seems to be a slightly southern shifted Hungarian, if I am reading this correctly?
https://i.imgur.com/w17kQHh.jpg

[Leto]

Here is about where my dad would be (blue dot) if I am the midpoint between my parents. He seems to be a slightly southern shifted Hungarian, if I am reading this correctly?

This plot poorly reflects geography.

[Luke35]

This plot poorly reflects geography.

Thanks. I noticed that as well. I can infer N,S,E, and W, here but it is not as easily discernable as the K15 plot.

[Stefanos.tasidis]

Are you trying to tell us he is part Turkish? Serbs get as much as 15% East Med.
asia minor/anatolia doesn't mean turkish.
it means you either have similarity with those populations, or maybe have armenian/pontian/asia minor greek etc. ancestry down there somewhere.
last i checked turks were mongolian/central asian lol.

[Leto]

The half Russian half Tatar guy I posted is 13% Asia Minor.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

The half Russian half Tatar guy I posted is 13% Asia Minor.

Volga Tatar ?

[Leto]

Volga Tatar ?
Yes, from Bashkiria.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Yes, from Bashkiria.

Really weird.

[Leto]

Really weird.
Well, see his GEDmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278890-Russian-Tatar-FTDNA-Results&p=5820169&viewfull=1#post5820169

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Well, see his GEDmatch
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?278890-Russian-Tatar-FTDNA-Results&p=5820169&viewfull=1#post5820169

He does get high West Asian there.

[Dukagjini]

This is a transfer not an actual FTDNA test, so results will be wonky, like mine as well.